[speakeasy]

This may have been discussed at some point in the past but I ran across this page today and find the idea intriguing.

http://lascenester.com/winggirls.htm

I'm not about to do anything like this myself as I just don't go to places where it's necessary. But for guys that run in spots like South Beach and Hollywood where you have to have some social proof or arm candy to get into the A-list clubs, would you ever consider something like paying some hot girls $150 for four hours as social proof to make it easier to get past the door guy and meet those 9s in the club? Honestly I thought it would cost a lot more than $150. That breaks down to less than $40/hr, and then consider that most of that is probably going to the company that pimps her out. That chic may be making only $20/hr plus whatever drinks she gets out of you. Considering that some dudes easily pay $600 for bottle service to get in and for social proof, paying $300 for 2 model quality girls might be a bargain. Next time I see some beta looking dude in the front of the line with a couple hot girls I'll be wondering if he's doing this.

[Dash Global]

hopefully if u live in a place like south beach or LA you have already meet and integrated urself into enough social circles with hot chicks to roll wit.

if ur new in town than it could be a smart effective move....

[MiXX]

Speak-E, you know I live in one of the hot spots you mentioned, and I don't think this will work (at least not in South Beach, Miami).

You see, IMO, the physical/emotional chemistry that you need to have with a beautiful girl that attracts other beautiful girls will be "missing". It's just not enough to be seen with a model next to you, it must be congruent that she desires you, and other hot women can sniff this out. Other women can also tell wether a girl is truly enjoying herself being with you, or she is just playing you for a fool.....they know.

I doubt one these $20/hr "wing-girl escorts" wil give you that edge than just making friends with club promoters or even bartender girls will.

The only way I see this working is if you build some rapport with your hired gun first, see if you can get some sort of mental "connection" going that's congruent with your typical male wingman.

In other words, you would not choose a wingman out of a magazine, tell him to come suited up, and wing you without him knowing your moves, style and vice-versa.

You could also land a smoking hot model you connect with, game, and bang her.....but it's a roll of the dice - a big roll of the dice at that.



My .02

Mixx

[speakeasy]

(08-05-2011 09:27 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

You know I live in one of the hot spots you mentioned, and I don't think this will work (at least in South Beach, miami).

You see, IMO, the body/emotional chemistry that you need to have with a beautiful girl you are with to attract other beautiful girls will be "missing". It's just not enough to be seen with a model next to you, it must be congruent that she desires you, and women can sniff this out, and they can also tell wether a girl is truly enjoying being with you, or she is just playing you for a fool.....they know.

That's an excellent point. Would love to talk to some guys that did this and see if the result was worth the money.

[Screwston]

I don't think I could ever do this. Idk just not my thing.

[Basil Ransom]

(08-05-2011 09:36 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 09:27 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

You know I live in one of the hot spots you mentioned, and I don't think this will work (at least in South Beach, miami).

You see, IMO, the body/emotional chemistry that you need to have with a beautiful girl you are with to attract other beautiful girls will be "missing". It's just not enough to be seen with a model next to you, it must be congruent that she desires you, and women can sniff this out, and they can also tell wether a girl is truly enjoying being with you, or she is just playing you for a fool.....they know.

That's an excellent point. Would love to talk to some guys that did this and see if the result was worth the money.

The New York Times did an article on this. In the article, the girl actually opens the prospect. At first I thought that's lame, the dude should open. But if you're roving about a bar, when you are approaching, your value is diminished. And next to no one is doing this, so a girl wouldn't get suspicious of your wing, if she was any good.

Mixx's point is a good one, but if you found a compatible one, and made it an ongoing thing, you could avoid that problem. We've all met girls who can flirt and be friendly with just about anyone, and that's the type you'd want.

I'd make sure I picked the right venue, day and time, if I'm dropping a couple hundred bones.

[MiXX]

I think I have a good way to analyze this scenario.

Let's all suppose that a woman who is a 5, shy, timid, kind of dorky HIRES a MALE MODEL that looks like Tyson Beckford, to go clubbing with her to get high status, good looking men.

*** Notice I said high status, good looking men, not dorks who are desperate to bang anything that moves because they are in the middle of an 8 month dry-spell.

Would you be willing to accept her, and potentially see higher value simply because a guy that looks like Tyson Beckford introduced you to her (with a hidden agenda) and befriended you first?

I'm not sure that I would see a girl as higher value, because a model looking guy is hanging out with her and winging her....granted, he will open doors for her, but ultimately SHE is the one that has to win me-over, and if she's just a loser, no amount of male model social-proof will change my mind.

This is why I NEVER hang in packs of men. Often times I will see 5 guys roll-up into a club/venue. That stinks of desperation for female companionship.

One night you are gonna have dedicate yourself to finding a hot girl to be befriend as a wing...this is tough, I know...but she will pay-off 10-fold if you use her right.

Bottom Line:

Hot girls may open doors for you by breaking normal barriers between you an your target. Something I feel a man can do on his own given he dresses, and looks the part for the venue he is in.

However, it is ultimately up to the player to win and secure sex with a target. I think that this is something any man can do without any hired wing-girl; you're better off just making hot female friends whom you occasionally party with....cheaper in the long run as it may take a few nights for your to see an ROI.

Mixx

[Nonpareil]

This is a very astute business plan. I'm not going to use that service since I don't rally have any problems getting laid for myself, but a guy that's hard up could use it and see the results.

(08-06-2011 10:06 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I think I have a good way to analyze this scenario.

Let's all suppose that a woman who is a 5, shy, timid, kind of dorky HIRES a MALE MODEL that looks like Tyson Beckford, to go clubbing with her to get high status, good looking men.

*** Notice I said high status, good looking men, not dorks who are desperate to bang anything that moves because they are in the middle of an 8 month dry-spell.

Would you be willing to accept her, and potentially see higher value simply because a guy that looks like Tyson Beckford introduced you to her (with a hidden agenda) and befriended you first?

I'm not sure that I would see a girl as higher value, because a model looking guy is hanging out with her and winging her....granted, he will open doors for her, but ultimately SHE is the one that has to win me-over, and if she's just a loser, no amount of male model social-proof will change my mind.

This is why I NEVER hang in packs of men. Often times I will see 5 guys roll-up into a club/venue. That stinks of desperation for female companionship.

One night you are gonna have dedicate yourself to finding a hot girl to be befriend as a wing...this is tough, I know...but she will pay-off 10-fold if you use her right.

Bottom Line:

Hot girls may open doors for you by breaking normal barriers between you an your target. Something I feel a man can do on his own given he dresses, and looks the part for the venue he is in.

However, it is ultimately up to the player to win and secure sex with a target. I think that this is something any man can do without any hired wing-girl; you're better off just making hot female friends whom you occasionally party with....cheaper in the long run as it may take a few nights for your to see an ROI.

Mixx

The average chick with the male model gambit, I don't think it works the same way with us. Instead of thinking like a girl would ('What's so special about that guy? I have to find out!'), I'm thinking 'What is he doing with her? What's wrong with him? Dude's game flow is probably super super weak. Are they friends? Is he a gigolo?'

So basically, if I see some middling girl with a male model, I don't think it makes her look better, it makes him look worse.

The ideal crew has always been two guys and two girls + me, both girls attractive. The female wing is useful, but at the same time most girls aren't selfless enough to properly play the game; I've been out with a girl I wasn't with before, and yeah, it makes the other girls in the spot sweat you, but then your girl is hovering up and not letting you isolate, not cool. Even if she has no interest in you sexually, she will start to feel something like jealousy when she notices wave after wave of chicks coming to talk to you.

The 5-guy rolling crew is a weak move too...I don't mind hanging with some of my friends at like a barbecue or at someone's house to catch the game, but if they want to go out, as soon as we get where were going I split from the pack. Out of five guys, 1-2 will have a girlfriend, 2 will have weak game and one will have decent game that mostly comes from a place where he cockblocks and puts people down behind their backs.

Try getting into the trendy new spot downtown with you and four guys, can't be done without significant grease.

[MiXX]

(08-06-2011 11:00 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

This is a very astute business plan. I'm not going to use that service since I don't rally have any problems getting laid for myself, but a guy that's hard up could use it and see the results.

(08-06-2011 10:06 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I think I have a good way to analyze this scenario.

Let's all suppose that a woman who is a 5, shy, timid, kind of dorky HIRES a MALE MODEL that looks like Tyson Beckford, to go clubbing with her to get high status, good looking men.

*** Notice I said high status, good looking men, not dorks who are desperate to bang anything that moves because they are in the middle of an 8 month dry-spell.

Would you be willing to accept her, and potentially see higher value simply because a guy that looks like Tyson Beckford introduced you to her (with a hidden agenda) and befriended you first?

I'm not sure that I would see a girl as higher value, because a model looking guy is hanging out with her and winging her....granted, he will open doors for her, but ultimately SHE is the one that has to win me-over, and if she's just a loser, no amount of male model social-proof will change my mind.

This is why I NEVER hang in packs of men. Often times I will see 5 guys roll-up into a club/venue. That stinks of desperation for female companionship.

One night you are gonna have dedicate yourself to finding a hot girl to be befriend as a wing...this is tough, I know...but she will pay-off 10-fold if you use her right.

Bottom Line:

Hot girls may open doors for you by breaking normal barriers between you an your target. Something I feel a man can do on his own given he dresses, and looks the part for the venue he is in.

However, it is ultimately up to the player to win and secure sex with a target. I think that this is something any man can do without any hired wing-girl; you're better off just making hot female friends whom you occasionally party with....cheaper in the long run as it may take a few nights for your to see an ROI.

Mixx

The average chick with the male model gambit, I don't think it works the same way with us. Instead of thinking like a girl would ('What's so special about that guy? I have to find out!'), I'm thinking 'What is he doing with her? What's wrong with him? Dude's game flow is probably super super weak. Are they friends? Is he a gigolo?'

So basically, if I see some middling girl with a male model, I don't think it makes her look better, it makes him look worse.

The ideal crew has always been two guys and two girls + me, both girls attractive. The female wing is useful, but at the same time most girls aren't selfless enough to properly play the game; I've been out with a girl I wasn't with before, and yeah, it makes the other girls in the spot sweat you, but then your girl is hovering up and not letting you isolate, not cool. Even if she has no interest in you sexually, she will start to feel something like jealousy when she notices wave after wave of chicks coming to talk to you.

The 5-guy rolling crew is a weak move too...I don't mind hanging with some of my friends at like a barbecue or at someone's house to catch the game, but if they want to go out, as soon as we get where were going I split from the pack. Out of five guys, 1-2 will have a girlfriend, 2 will have weak game and one will have decent game that mostly comes from a place where he cockblocks and puts people down behind their backs.

Try getting into the trendy new spot downtown with you and four guys, can't be done without significant grease.

Yeah, you're right...I'd be thinking the same fucking thing. lol!


Mixx

[Nonpareil]

(08-06-2011 11:37 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Yeah, you're right...I'd be thinking the same fucking thing. lol!


Mixx

No doubt. Friend of mine is an 8 all things considered (physical attractiveness, success, upside, game), married a 5.

Sure, nicest girl ever, but anytime it comes up it's not 'Wow dude, your wife is awesome!', it's '...her?'

For every female emotional response to something, there is almost always an equal and opposite male response, this is just one of those times. Preselection works, but only to such a degree. A male 7 needs preselection from female 6's or higher for the effect to be a gain, a female 4 may even make him look worse.

I think your model example might fall under this.

[MiXX]

(08-06-2011 11:53 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

(08-06-2011 11:37 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Yeah, you're right...I'd be thinking the same fucking thing. lol!


Mixx

No doubt. Friend of mine is an 8 all things considered (physical attractiveness, success, upside, game), married a 5.

Sure, nicest girl ever, but anytime it comes up it's not 'Wow dude, your wife is awesome!', it's '...her?'

For every female emotional response to something, there is almost always an equal and opposite male response, this is just one of those times. Preselection works, but only to such a degree. A male 7 needs preselection from female 6's or higher for the effect to be a gain, a female 4 may even make him look worse.

I think your model example might fall under this.

Well, it really hit close to home what you said.

My brother is 24, he is indeed a very good looking kid. He's got the Tyson Beckford physique, is 6'2 in height, dresses well etc.

Then, he throws a bomb at the whole family by bringing his new girlfriend to a house party.

His girlfriend was maybe a 4 at best!! She was 38, cottage cheese thighs, pot belly and just a butter-face and already has a kid to match.

I COULD NOT BELIEVE HIS CHOICE AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE AND HIS MODEL LOOKS!!!!

He did not make her look better, SHE MADE HIM LOOK TERRIBLE!! All I can say in my mind was "dude, what the fuck is wrong with you, .....her?" So, of course, I start thinking...is she paying the bills? Is she giving him a lifestyle he could otherwise not afford on his own? Does she have luxury items like a late-model Benz that he gest to drive around in for free? Does he not have to work because he is banging her?

The answers: He holds 2 jobs to help pay the rent, food, and bills.......they have no car, and she has a mediocre job as a day supervisor at Target.

One day, Im gonna follow my brother home, put a ski mask on, and beat the shit out of him Italian mafia style....he can thank me when he gets to be my age (36) and realizes I saved his young life.


So yeah, thanks for making the obvious, .......obvious....

Mixx

[Samseau]

It's preselection for men,

and deselection for women.

[Nonpareil]

(08-06-2011 12:02 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Well, it really hit close to home what you said.

My brother is 24, he is indeed a very good looking kid. He's got the Tyson Beckford physique, is 6'2 in height, dresses well etc.

Then, he throws a bomb at the whole family by bringing his new girlfriend to a house party.

His girlfriend was maybe a 4 at best!! She was 38, cottage cheese thighs, pot belly and just a butter-face and already has a kid to match.

I COULD NOT BELIEVE HIS CHOICE AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE AND HIS MODEL LOOKS!!!!

He did not make her look better, SHE MADE HIM LOOK TERRIBLE!! All I can say in my mind was "dude, what the fuck is wrong with you, .....her?" So, of course, I start thinking...is she paying the bills? Is she giving him a lifestyle he could otherwise not afford on his own? Does she have luxury items like a late-model Benz that he gest to drive around in for free? Does he not have to work because he is banging her?

The answers: He holds 2 jobs to help pay the rent, food, and bills.......they have no car, and she has a mediocre job as a day supervisor at Target.

One day, Im gonna follow my brother home, put a ski mask on, and beat the shit out of him Italian mafia style....he can thank me when he gets to be my age (36) and realizes I saved his young life.


So yeah, thanks for making the obvious, .......obvious....

Mixx

Yeah I would agree that ski-masking him is the right course of action here. I mean, if he looks like you say he does, how does he not get pissed off when he's out in the day and he sees ugly dudes with models?

As you said, it would be one thing if she was rich, but he's dating and supporting a female 4 who is 14 years his senior and comes with child? That has to be the saddest thing I've ever heard, especially since he has a brother who's been balls deep in over a thousand women and knows a thing or two. I never had a brother (I had a sister, which can be just as useful), but if I did and he was slaying ass left and right I'd listen to everything he said and do everything he did.

At least in the event of my boy, they're just three years apart, she has a decent job, he comes from a very traditional-minded Turkish family, he's always been the type of guy who makes the 'safe' move and they dated for three years first. It's not so much that she's unattractive, looks-wise you'd have a picture of her next to 'Average NA Girl'.

Even if he's reverse preselecting himself (since he's making about 120k and is only 28, keeps in shape and I always hear about this girl or that girl having a crush on him; one of my buddy's sisters had a thing for him hard, she's modeled for Parasuco), the marriage is probably going to last, and her mom is in relatively good shape. They seem happy, but I still shake my head sometimes.

Not as bad as one of my old bosses who made six figures and had a wife that wasn't a 4...she was a 2, she was literally about 4'9, shaped like a beachball and with a busted face. Buddy was no prize himself (he was 32, when we first met he asked me to guess his age and I said 44), but he showed me one of his paychecks; broseph was pulling $4600 every two weeks!

I'd rather bang my hand than anything less than a 5, I don't get some guys. I can hang out with a cool 4, I might even bang her once if I knew no one would find out, but waking up next to her every day? No fucking way.

[babelfish669]

I have hired girls before for parties. It is a good, but expensive, way to meet a large number of chicks that are at that model level with hours of effort on your part. Additionally they are going to look at you as being higher status than they are (they won't if you act like a beta prick.)

As for hiring chicks to go out with you at a club, that makes them an escort. That's cool if your 60 years old, but I don't think that has any place here.

[silent_scope]

I must have stepped into bizarro world on this one. Is this like that old bible quote? Pay a whore to fuck and you fuck for one night, but pay a chick to wing for you and you fuck forever?

Why is this acceptable behavior?

[thegmanifesto]

I don't think these "wing girls" or whatever weesh term they have for them are going to get you anywhere.



Photo from the site: http://lascenester.com/wing-girls-hollyw...s-angeles/

Looks like a complete airball to me. And looks like the typical fodder you will see on any college campus in America.

These are the kind of girls I am trying to avoid at all costs.

I would way rather parlay my $150 into drinks for myself at a Gentleman's Club.

Update:

The "fine print" is hilarious:

"1. Get way more numbers
2. Get critique and feedback. Improve your game!
3. Get into the hottest clubs
What else could you ask for??


Oh… and that reminds us. Rules on Wing-Girls.
No, you cannot choose which one or find out what they look like ahead of time.
This is because this is not a dating service or anything like that. These girls are Only there to help you get numbers. They are on a job. And that job will Get You Results.
They are good looking enough to ensure you get in the door of the strictest Hollywood clubs.
You can choose age range and ethnicity. But that’s it.
They are your wing-girls. And they are more potent in twos..
Wing-Girls come for 4 hours. The first hour is best for meet, greet, and critique (hone your skills and ask questions in the first hour and end of the night)
The other time is on duty at the clubs!"

[boxwino]

Sounds like too much work and cash spent. I'd just focus more on body language and having a good vibe. If you have those, if you're solo you should be able to gather some sort of social proof rather quickly.

[MiXX]

They say there's a sucker born every 6 minutes and 27 seconds. I would not hang out with the girls in those pictures if they paid me.

I'll refer back to Post #8 of this thread where an average girl BRINGS DOWN the social value of a model looking guy, how much value would an average looking guy desperate enough to hire her gain?

Shell just make him look terrible! The mediocre girls in that pic would get into the hottest clubs alright; after they stand in line for 2 hours like everyone else who is not deemed worthy by the door douche!

Ugly girls in Miami do get turned down just like guys, or told to wait in line until she leaves.

Notice how one disclaimer mention s the girl is NOT arm candy. What is the point then? Arm candy is exactly what you need for female curiosity to kick in.


Mixx

[Basil Ransom]

(08-08-2011 11:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I don't think these "wing girls" or whatever weesh term they have for them are going to get you anywhere.

Hahaha, who the **** thought these girls would be raise a man's status? I'd bang some of them, but almost none of them would raise your value. The brunette in the second row sticking her chin up, and the brunette in the top right have potential, hard to tell.

[bengalltigerr]

I don't think I need to hire anyone.

[Samseau]

G: Wow.

Paying $150 for one of those!!!!!!!!! What the FUCK?

[Vitriol]

Anyone who gives these bitches any cash at all needs their head examined. They look like rejects from Sears portrait studio and Applebees waitstaff.

Being with some lame liberal arts major who is a 5 on the 10 point scale isn't getting you anywhere... and if it is, the money is better spent on other areas of self improvement.

You better believe that even after paying them they're gonna spend 99% of the time playing with their phones anyway.