day fast could regenerate immune system
06-09-2014, 11:54 PM
Quote: (06-09-2014 01:42 PM)Spede Wrote:
Quote: (06-09-2014 05:38 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:
By the way, what is this shit?:
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Chris Mason, Professor of Regenerative Medicine at UCL, said: “There is some interesting data here. It sees that fasting reduces the number and size of cells and then re-feeding at 72 hours saw a rebound.
“That could be potentially useful because that is not such a long time that it would be terribly harmful to someone with cancer.
“But I think the most sensible way forward would be to synthesize this effect with drugs. I am not sure fasting is the best idea. People are better eating on a regular basis.”
So he refuses the findings of an actualy study by throwing a truism at it and not at least quoting some of his own evidence to the contrary?
I hope this is just a snapshot of what he actually said because if not what a sloppy fucking argument.
Read again the paragraph you quoted. He never refused the findings.
Yeah, I suppose you're right that he didn't refute them, even if the author of the article tried to frame it that way, but he still insisted on claiming it's better to eat - without backing it up. It seems like he's trying to dilute the findings and imply he knows better, and that's fine, but in that context, he should at least explain his claim.
I just hate it when new research comes out and some other scientist speaks up and says, "Well, that's interesting, but we already know such and such, so you better stick with the general consensus." Or they say, "Nah, that's total bullshit because it doesn't vibe with what society already knows." To me that's lazy, in-the-box thinking, especially given how much of our science proves to be wrong or severely incomplete.
A better approach would be to to look at it and say, "This is interesting. It needs more research, obviously, but this might change the game on some things we already think we know if it is true."
The author of this particular article also tried to make it seem like more of an objection than it was. There was more to the quote I saw elsewhere, and he did seem more supportive.
Quote: (06-09-2014 04:48 PM)Ping Wrote:
Quote: (06-09-2014 05:40 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
I've been fasting for 18-24 Hours 1x a week for about a year and it's gold! It gives you that ripped look that looks so natural. At the same time it just does something that improves your metabolism.
No water as well or is that cool?
Have you tried even longer fasting periods or more frequent, if so, what kind of results did that bring?
Don't ever stop drinking water while fasting. Prone to hurt yourself.
Quote: (06-09-2014 10:28 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:
It is a common, well popular fitness myth that we need to feed ourselves every 3-5 hour to avoid muscle breakdown. The human body can do up to 72 Hours without breaking down your glucose aka the carbs of your muscle.
It is never recommended to go that long without food, but it is possible.
So you're not buying the study then?
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I only fast for 24 Hours when I'm looking to increase the fat burning, otherwise I just stick to a feeding window of 12 Hours with 12 Hours of no food intake, water only. I used to be a stocky 240 lbs guy and on Intermittent Fasting I've easily maintained a more chiseled look at 210 lbs.
Nice. How tall are you?
Intermittent fasting seems great for maintaining good health and physique - if these findings are true, though, it seems to indicate that something more extreme is needed from time to time (every 3 to 6 months) for the desired immune system results.
To the fasters, what are your thoughts on working your way back into eating at the end of a multi-day fast. Obviously, you don't want to instantly gorge yourself, but some people seem to be pretty rigid on only drinking juice the first day - or veggies and fruits. Then fish and veggies and fruits the second. And so on.
Overkill? Thoughts?
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