The first gay bishop at Washington National Cathedral in D.C. will preside over the ordaining of the first clergy transman.



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As an advocate both within the Church and wider community, Cameron’s presence in the pulpit, I hope, will also send a symbolic message in support of greater equality for the transgender community, which suffers from acts of violence, discrimination, unemployment, homelessness, and financial inequality. We at Washington National Cathedral are striving to send a message of love and affirmation, especially to LGBT youth who suffer daily because of their gender identity or sexual orientation. We want to proclaim to them as proudly and unequivocally as we can: Your gender identity is good and your sexual orientation is good because that’s the way that God made you.

The soon-to-be minister further stated:

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Paige also feels that trans people have a lot to offer religion, and vice versa. "There is such an intersection between being trans and religious," Paige told The Huffington Post. "Some of the fundamental religious questions -- 'Who am I? How do I fit into the world?' -- those are very familiar questions that people ask on a journey of gender exploration."

This isn't just going on in America. Consider this transwoman from Britain.

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Her birth certificate now, "joyously!" she says, has her as "female"

Amazing, isn't it? It isn't that they really are male or female, but that others recognize them as such. I mean, they have spent so much time wondering about "gender" (aka, their personal identity) that they have much to offer religion.

All I will say is that people who obsess over their identity for years and years are not healthy individuals.

Yet, as we saw here, crushing political force will be applied to make sure you validate their personal identities, as this is part of people needing incredibly high levels of validation of their identity in social media.

Quote: (06-09-2014 02:13 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

ordaining of the first clergy transman

The next stage of the agenda happened quicker than I thought.

Which type is a transman again?

I refuse to accept their retarded terminology, male-to-female and female-to-male transsexual at least describe the situation clearly.

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Her birth certificate now, "joyously!" she says, has her as "female"

The government should get out of the delusion-feeding business.

Let some private business at least make money from "rebirth" certificates. They could do pink ones with pictures of Barbie for 6'2" "women" with 5-o-clock shadow and hands like spades.

I assumed from the birth certificate 'joy', that 'transman' is M>F.

Probably a passive homosexual who has dealt with his inner shame by becoming a woman.

The so-called Christian churches are becoming more and more like the old Canaanite cults with their castrato and female temple prostitutes day by day.

Please make the thread titles correct. This one should say:

Another sorry excuse for a church, already rotten in it's core for a long time finally popped and released a really bad smell.

Quote: (06-09-2014 04:26 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

Which type is a transman again?

I refuse to accept their retarded terminology, male-to-female and female-to-male transsexual at least describe the situation clearly.

Do F to M transsexuals even exist? I don't remember ever reading about them. M to F, however makes news all the time, I remember reading about M to F model, M to F priest, M to F eurovision winner, M to F MMA fighter and so on. I don't remember ever reading about a F to M transsexual. Or is Hillary Clinton one?

Quote: (06-09-2014 04:41 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

I assumed from the birth certificate 'joy', that 'transman' is M>F.

Quote: (06-09-2014 06:12 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Do F to M transsexuals even exist? I don't remember ever reading about them. M to F, however makes news all the time, I remember reading about M to F model, M to F priest, M to F eurovision winner, M to F MMA fighter and so on. I don't remember ever reading about a F to M transsexual. Or is Hillary Clinton one?

Here's one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Whittle
Note that they are also referred to as a 'transman'. I don't think it's done deliberately but it definitely provides yet another power trip moment to beat people over the head with when they stray from the current 'approved' terminology.

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Quote: (06-09-2014 04:41 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

I assumed from the birth certificate 'joy', that 'transman' is M>F.

Quote: (06-09-2014 06:12 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Do F to M transsexuals even exist? I don't remember ever reading about them. M to F, however makes news all the time, I remember reading about M to F model, M to F priest, M to F eurovision winner, M to F MMA fighter and so on. I don't remember ever reading about a F to M transsexual. Or is Hillary Clinton one?

Here's one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Whittle
Note that they are also referred to as a 'transman'. I don't think it's done deliberately but it definitely provides yet another power trip moment to beat people over the head with when they stray from the current 'approved' terminology.

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A British FTM transsexual, he is described as "a radical lesbian before his sex change and now a leading commentator on gender issues",[5] who after the Gender Recognition Act 2004 came into force in April 2005, achieved legal recognition as man and so was able to marry his female partner.[6]

the agenda is 'progressing' at a pace that I cannot/ will not keep up with.

I think the next stage is 'tranhumanism', see Blade Runner and other SciFi films for the predictive programming.

I wonder if 'transman' is the first real term of a post-human era.

I'd love to see the written rationale behind the church body signing up for this. I don't think its an 'end of times' thing though, but there will likely be polarization as is what happens with this...churches will split and a more hard line church will form somewhere else. Martin Luther flipped out and the protestant reformation started partially because the catholic church at the time was so corrupt, with convents being whore houses despite vows of celibacy etc. If the catholics didn't push the limits, protestants never would have showed up. Same thing here, people will just leave the episcopal church and I doubt that there will be an influx of transgender and gay people joining.

Here is a chart that shows the rate of decline of the Christian denominations in the UK (while still only less than 10% of the population, Muslim attendances at mosques is four times that of Christians at churches.

http://www.whychurch.org.uk/images/chart..._trend.png

Within Protestantism, the more liberal the beliefs the quicker the decline. The Roman Church is also in decline however.

The exception is the Charismatic and Pentecostal movement which is interesting as these churches would likely suggest that 'transman' get an unclean spirit cast out of him/ her. These churches are exploding - expect some LBGT-BBQs at the larger Pentecostal assemblies. It's going to be Book of Acts stuff as pastors are hauled off for using Bible 'hate speech'.

Lol. I'd like to see the freaks that attend these churches led by gay, trans or even female pastors. Once they start pushing their LBGT agendas, which are anti-Christian, their attendance decline steeply.

What is the point? I guess their credo is "thou shalt not judge." Too bad that's not what Jesus said. He said "judge lest ye be judged." Which means that before we rebuke someone for sin, we must be strong enough to admit our own. Too bad a lot of straight Christians believe the same hogwash.

Quote: (06-09-2014 09:27 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

Lol. I'd like to see the freaks that attend these churches led by gay, trans or even female pastors. Once they start pushing their LBGT agendas, which are anti-Christian, their attendance decline steeply.

What is the point? I guess their credo is "thou shalt not judge." Too bad that's not what Jesus said. He said "judge lest ye be judged." Which means that before we rebuke someone for sin, we must be strong enough to admit our own. Too bad a lot of straight Christians believe the same hogwash.

Matthew

7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


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Note, he says not to judge others, yet he also says not to cast pearls before swine. How can one avoid casting pearls to swine if you cannot judge who is a swine or not?

"Judgement" is a world often misunderstood. Judging does not mean inability to discriminate. Judgement is when you condemn others as fundamentally good or evil. That is for God.

But as a human, you must still judge their behavior as good or bad. And although you should not judge them personally, you can still judge what they have done as right or wrong and act accordingly.

Thus these "modern Churches" that preach tolerance no matter what are contradicting the teachings of the Bible. They deliberately misconstrue the intent and wording of the Bible for their own ends, which in this case, promotion of sinful, evil, and destructive lifestyles such as LBQT nonsense.

When you see someone doing wrong, you should not rush to kill them or punish them. Instead the Christian method is to recognize the evil and help them work through it ("Love thy enemy"). Dangerous individuals who refuse help should obviously be quarantined, but honest attempts should be made against being too harsh or condemning of others.

That said, if someone is truly fucked up and evil, then we are forced to Judge, and kill and/or remove them from society. God will also Judge us according to the way we have Judged others. So if we use a lax, forgiving attitude of Judgement towards others, then he too will be lax and forgiving towards us.

But someone who NEVER judges is at the other extreme, of "casting pearls before swine."

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Xie said:

Lets make it a point to never use that word again. If someone is born with female genitals, its a she. If someone is born with male genitals, its a he.

Quote: (06-09-2014 08:45 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

I'd love to see the written rationale behind the church body signing up for this. I don't think its an 'end of times' thing though, but there will likely be polarization as is what happens with this...churches will split and a more hard line church will form somewhere else. Martin Luther flipped out and the protestant reformation started partially because the catholic church at the time was so corrupt, with convents being whore houses despite vows of celibacy etc. If the catholics didn't push the limits, protestants never would have showed up. Same thing here, people will just leave the episcopal church and I doubt that there will be an influx of transgender and gay people joining.

There's always been lots of schisms hapening within the Episcopal Church because of the homosexuality issue. A lot of the more conservative Episcopalians have ended up becoming Catholics. I remember Catholic Church was even allowed married Episcopal priests to become Catholic priests while staying married.

So God made "him" the wrong gender and he wants to preach that God's gospel?

Praise Jeebus.

Further commenter thoughts from this article:
http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/trans-women-a...963179/all

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Q: Does "trans woman" mean a man who identifies female or a woman who identifies male?

A: Neither, it means a male assigned at birth person who identifies as a woman (yes, that is different from what you wrote, because "man" and "woman" are social constructs, and while "female" and "male" are often presented as objective facts, many individuals object to that, so the assignment by a doctor at birth and the opposition to that assignment is what leads to one being transgender).

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1: 'Boy' and 'girl' are not social constructs. You need to stop saying stuff like that if you want people to take you seriously (and a lot of what you say is really valuable and deserves to be heard by a much wider audience).

2: Yes, they are. This is not an unusual statement in feminist and queer discourse. It's fairly common. Welcome to an overtly feminist and queer academic space. You don't dictate the rules.

Man and woman are social constructs: but not male and female. Every single mammalian species on the planet is either male or female. These guys deny evolution. They are basically anti-science nutjobs.

Don't fight the trans people. As much as I find it repugnant, they will be the downfall to progressivism and especially feminism. Give it time.