I recently emailed a friend of mine about game, and this is his response, do you agree or disagree? He's basically saying game is good for banging sluts but a mistake when looking for quality:

yeah i read all that junk, its a good laugh, like u said u already do half of it without thinking, just from being smarter than the girl and knowing how to manipulate people and situations. lil tricks certainly are good, but id be wary of diving into the depths of the scene (like my friend george did), youll ultimatly emerge from it and realize its just best to be yourself and thats how youll find someone special one day, last thing u want to do is find that great girl by being Mr. Pickup bs extraordinaire, any smart girl that wed consider as a future wife will see through this nonsense, but yes if u wanna pull a 1night stand on some young bimbo the principals are relevant and do help

You Still Need Game To Bang Whores

No disrespect, but your friend sound like a tool.

Mixx

Drwho is likely a troll. 13 posts and he already hated on one member and is re-pasting crap that has zero value.

Quote: (07-10-2011 06:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Drwho is likely a troll. 13 posts and he already hated on one member and is re-pasting crap that has zero value.

Sorry if I offended you, but I didn't purposely hate on that other member.
I'm not a troll.
The reason I repasted the email from my friend, was that I wanted to see other people's opinions to see if they matched my own.
I think that game works on all women, regardless of who they are, whether it turns into long term or one night.

I showed a friend this stuff (and site), and while he thought it was interesting, and said he learned a few things from reading Bang, he felt like most of it was common sense. I think he just lacked the proper dedication to this lifestyle. A lot of guys don't have the patience to build their skills, and if they don't see success right away they quit.

Basically, I think if someone thinks most of it is common sense, they have made the mistake of not viewing social skills as that: skills, which can be improved with deliberate practice. Anyone can say "the key to golf is to hit the ball so it goes toward the hole; duh--that's just common sense"; Tiger Woods actually spent thousands of hours practicing hitting the ball so it went towards the hole. Big difference.

Hopefully your friend is very rich, cause otherwise he must be very lonely.

if you want to know that if game works on every single girl in this world..then you are wrong....it doesn't work always and not on every girl....hookers or not..

Quote: (07-10-2011 06:56 PM)DrWho Wrote:  

The reason I repasted the email from my friend, was that I wanted to see other people's opinions to see if they matched my own.

Presumably you don't care for opinions that don't match your own? What's the point of asking someone a question if you don't want to hear their answer?

Tell him pickup game is a lot like poker.

If you dont know how to play the game, you better have a really good hand.

I always smirk when I hear that "just be yourself line". Would a 40 year old balding divorcee pull lingerie models by just "being" himself?

It's one thing to understand the basic concepts of game, it's another to realize how it applies to your individual life and what you need to change to master it.

Your friend sounds just like many of mine who don't want to learn game. They think they already know all they need to and are exactly the type of people Roosh was talking about in his "resisting change" blog post last week. I think to some extent subconsciously they realize they are jealous or in denial, so they call game a bunch of "tricks."

Quote: (07-11-2011 04:36 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I always smirk when I hear that "just be yourself line". Would a 40 year old balding divorcee pull lingerie models by just "being" himself?

It's funny you bring that up, because something I read a few weeks ago made me realize something.

It depends on what stage of game you are at. For a rookie or even an intermediate, it's a constant and conscious effort to act "alpha" and follow the rules.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5156-p...l#pid68088

That says it better than I could have. Once you've mastered game, it is about being yourself.

I don't think this is something people without some degree of game experience can fully grasp until everything just starts falling into place naturally. By then, you're more or less on auto-pilot.

I feel the most important part is working on inner game and when studying outer game its about thinking about what inner game principles one would have to naturally come up with and do the outer game.

Quote: (07-11-2011 04:36 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I always smirk when I hear that "just be yourself line". Would a 40 year old balding divorcee pull lingerie models by just "being" himself?

By having solid game.

Quote: (07-11-2011 04:36 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I always smirk when I hear that "just be yourself line". Would a 40 year old balding divorcee pull lingerie models by just "being" himself?

If he is the Victorias Secret magazine senior editor, yes!

Otherwise, game on partner.

Mixx

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Quote: (07-11-2011 04:36 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I always smirk when I hear that "just be yourself line". Would a 40 year old balding divorcee pull lingerie models by just "being" himself?

By having solid game.

My point exactly. Your average chump "being himself" however will get blown out pretty quick.

This particular line is common when women are giving dating advice to unsuspecting men. I suspect they want the clueless to strike out fast so that they can easily see who's the natural.

I think it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that game is effective. Having these sort of "Do game work" arguments is a waste of time. If you're not convinced by now then fuck off.

Quote: (07-10-2011 10:46 PM)CJ Wrote:  

I showed a friend this stuff (and site), and while he thought it was interesting, and said he learned a few things from reading Bang, he felt like most of it was common sense. I think he just lacked the proper dedication to this lifestyle. A lot of guys don't have the patience to build their skills, and if they don't see success right away they quit.

Stupid-ass statements like this is why I gave up on trying to introduce game-blind guys to the lifestyle a long time ago. I'm constantly amazed at the logical knots that guys are able to tie themselves into to justify not being good with women but, at the same time, not learning game. Between the misconceptions about game, the massive irritation of dealing with permanent betas, and lazy players who want a quick-fix, I realized the time and energy would be better spent on myself. Game isn't for everyone and the cats that actually want to learn it--and are suited for it--will seek it out.

A Sampling of Common Game Excuses (or Misconceptions) I've Heard a Million Times:

1. Game is a series of elaborate tricks designed to fool women into sleeping with you. I don't need that to get girls.

2. Game is a set of procedures that works on a certain subset of women that I'm not interested in. I want a "nice girl."

3. I've read a book or a few blog articles on game. I get it. I "know" game already.

The list, of course, goes on. I don't know about you guys, but I came to game on my own. I'm not sure it's the kind of thing you can convince someone to embark on. True game is a complete, permanent lifestyle shift. It's like talking someone into getting a vasectomy or sex change.

You might be able to do it, but in the vast majority of cases, they're the ones that will make the decision.

I remember i told my ex a few months into the relationship that I took a pickup seminar once and that I read about game and she was pretty cool about it, felt like its a way for a shy person to be more outgoing. When I would tell girls about it while being with my gf or them already knowing I had a girlfriend they would find it amusing and interesting.

I doubt talking about it while single or before fucking is a very good idea though haha.

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I think it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that game is effective. Having these sort of "Do game work" arguments is a waste of time. If you're not convinced by now then fuck off.

I have many friends who could not be convinced about game... I've since given up. I'm just waiting for the day then get fucked over by some girl and call me up. I wonder if it's worth being nice to them after they ignored me in favor of some bitch for so long?

That's not exactly what I meant.
I certainly do value people's opinions, otherwise I wouldn't be spending time on the forum.
Its really a reflection of my own doubts/inertia. I am about to embark on a journey of learning about game, and have some last minute resistance to changing my mindset.
I think of myself as someone pretty good/experienced with women, with 100+ notches, and to start game is to in some ways start over, and be humble about what I don't know. I don't care who you are, that is never easy.
One of the things that attracts me about game, is not merely getting new/different/potentially better pussy. It is the fact that many of you who have evolved your game note positive improvements in other areas of your lives. It makes sense, when one is willing to do approach after approach to random women, in public places where defeat or victory is easily observed, it would be hard to view other social interaction as challenging.

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Quote: (07-10-2011 06:56 PM)DrWho Wrote:  

The reason I repasted the email from my friend, was that I wanted to see other people's opinions to see if they matched my own.

Presumably you don't care for opinions that don't match your own? What's the point of asking someone a question if you don't want to hear their answer?

I don't always call it "game", I think of it more as various "processes" and "approaches". Still, it is all the same...ways to obtain women to get around their "shields". It is true that some guys or even groups of guys do not certain standard things like:

1) hollering at the driver (or ring leader) just to keep her at bay until your boy games one of her friends....with is related to....
2) guys in your "team" taking out "blockers" (other chicks)...think football
3) Isolating chicks
4) not giving her options (or very few)

Quote: (07-11-2011 05:11 PM)DrWho Wrote:  

That's not exactly what I meant.
I certainly do value people's opinions, otherwise I wouldn't be spending time on the forum.
Its really a reflection of my own doubts/inertia. I am about to embark on a journey of learning about game, and have some last minute resistance to changing my mindset.
I think of myself as someone pretty good/experienced with women, with 100+ notches, and to start game is to in some ways start over, and be humble about what I don't know. I don't care who you are, that is never easy.
One of the things that attracts me about game, is not merely getting new/different/potentially better pussy. It is the fact that many of you who have evolved your game note positive improvements in other areas of your lives. It makes sense, when one is willing to do approach after approach to random women, in public places where defeat or victory is easily observed, it would be hard to view other social interaction as challenging.

You have over 100 notches and you don't consider yourself to have game? What the hell were you doing before?