I was in the park the other day with some friends when I witnessed what had to be one of the worst smackdowns I've ever seen.

We were playing frisbee near this older black gentleman sitting on a bench. He was just sitting there reading when this middle-aged white woman in a hat walks by. There's a fair amount of distance between them, so the discourse is rather public. He yells out to her: "Hey, that's a nice hat you have there!" She responds:

"I have a boyfriend."

His response was pretty casual: "I won't hold that against you." Personally, I was shocked. I actually went up to the man to confirm what had just happened. The guy offers an innocent compliment and gets publicly and awkwardly shut down. What a bitch!

So what's the worst rejection you've ever witnessed?

once asked a girl, "Do you floss before or after you brush your teeth?"

and she replied "What the FUCK difference does it make?"


I turned back to my friend, who I was talking to beforehand, who said "What a bitch!"

The worst rejection I ever witnessed, is the approach I did not ever make......

Think about that one Grasshopper.

Mixx

The worst rejection I witnessed was in London when one of my friends approached this woman and she said "Uggh fcuk off, you are ugly"

Quote: (05-17-2011 12:07 PM)Moma Wrote:  

The worst rejection I witnessed was in London when one of my friends approached this woman and she said "Uggh fcuk off, you are ugly"

I hope your friend did not walk away with his tail between his legs, and gave that bitch an ego boost at his expense!


I would of replied.."You're no top model either bitch"...then walk away!




mixx

I opened this one HOT mulato/blk grl in a club in Colombia and the bitch COMPLETELY ignored me. It wasnt like there was distance between us, I walked right up next to her and said something. At first I thought she just didnt hear me, so I touched her and repeated what I said and she turned her head and look then continued to ignore me. I was shocked and appalled how rude and stuck up this bitch was. Then a regular confirmed she was a straight up PUTA.

Quote: (05-17-2011 12:08 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2011 12:07 PM)Moma Wrote:  

The worst rejection I witnessed was in London when one of my friends approached this woman and she said "Uggh fcuk off, you are ugly"

I hope your friend did not walk away with his tail between his legs, and gave that bitch an ego boost at his expense!


I would of replied.."You're no top model either bitch"...then walk away!




mixx

I'm afraid he did not. He wasn't used to delivering sassy rebuttals.

However, London can be a very nasty city.

The grimiest rebuttal I ever saw was during the carnival, I saw a friend of a friend deal with a rejection by taking a running fly kick into the girl's back. She jolted forward sharply but did not retaliate as this young hooligan clearly DID NOT give a fcuk.

Moscow in 90s, a dude approaching a group in a club. Dont' remember what he said, nothing really offensive. But the next second he's lying on a floor and three guys are kicking him really hard. They left before the police arrived. Two days after that the news said the dude was beaten to death.

Quote: (05-17-2011 04:49 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Moscow in 90s, a dude approaching a group in a club. Dont' remember what he said, nothing really offensive. But the next second he's lying on a floor and three guys are kicking him really hard. They left before the police arrived. Two days after that the news said the dude was beaten to death.

In my opinion, this "wins." It doesn't get any worse than dying

Quote: (05-17-2011 12:29 PM)Moma Wrote:  

The grimiest rebuttal I ever saw was during the carnival, I saw a friend of a friend deal with a rejection by taking a running fly kick into the girl's back. She jolted forward sharply but did not retaliate as this young hooligan clearly DID NOT give a fcuk.

LMFAO!!

On the street corner around 1230 on a wednesday night I see two cute girls so I friendly call over: "Hi how are you girls doing tonight?" One of the girls flips her shit, turns over to to me and screams in my face "why the FUCK are you talking to us??" I proceeded to flip my shit and called her the most rude bitch I had ever seen in my life. She gets in my face and starts screaming at me while I taunt her to just go ahead to be the man she thinks she is and try to hit me. We were about to physically fight but my friend and her friend broke us off.

I've never seen anybody get rejected quite like that one. I'm just glad I didn't let her get away without a piece of my mind.

Quote: (05-17-2011 04:58 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2011 04:49 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Moscow in 90s, a dude approaching a group in a club. Dont' remember what he said, nothing really offensive. But the next second he's lying on a floor and three guys are kicking him really hard. They left before the police arrived. Two days after that the news said the dude was beaten to death.

In my opinion, this "wins." It doesn't get any worse than dying

Oh yes it does. He could have survived as a quadriplegic.

"I"m Old enough to your mom" said by some Indian girl who looked to be pretty young.

The worst ones are where the girl just walks by.

When I opened two girls who were sitting in the street:
"Don't you see we are talking? You are disturbing us, move!"

Quote: (05-19-2011 02:16 AM)julio26 Wrote:  

When I opened two girls who were sitting in the street:
"Don't you see we are talking? You are disturbing us, move!"

Quote:Quote:

I was in the park the other day with some friends when I witnessed what had to be one of the worst smackdowns I've ever seen.

We were playing frisbee near this older black gentleman sitting on a bench. He was just sitting there reading when this middle-aged white woman in a hat walks by. There's a fair amount of distance between them, so the discourse is rather public. He yells out to her: "Hey, that's a nice hat you have there!" She responds:

"I have a boyfriend."

His response was pretty casual: "I won't hold that against you." Personally, I was shocked. I actually went up to the man to confirm what had just happened. The guy offers an innocent compliment and gets publicly and awkwardly shut down. What a bitch!

So what's the worst rejection you've ever witnessed?

Cupcake,you've just confirmed you're a chick! Thats nothing-it wasn't even a mild 'talk to the hand' gesture or flat out ignoring,the commoner rejections guys face.
I wonder if women would be so 'strong' if they ran the risk of rejection like us? Hmmmmm..
nder if

Agree with Afronoob.... I don't see that as a harsh shut down at all.

One that I found the most embarrassing for myself was where I was unconvincingly trying to flirt with a girl and she just looked amused at my efforts to be alpha, like she could see straight through the act LOL.

$50 says guy on park bench is in his pick up vortex

Quote: (05-19-2011 04:28 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

I wonder if women would be so 'strong' if they ran the risk of rejection like us? Hmmmmm..
nder if

They wouldn't. I have spoken to a few female friends of mine who exhibit bitterness due to the inability to attract some men. I've asked them, why don't you just go and speak to them and they start stuttering and spluttering over the very idea.

By and large, modern way women are cowards. That's why they often break up by text and don't return calls instead of just being straight forward (at least here in the dot)

Quote: (05-19-2011 10:22 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2011 04:28 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

I wonder if women would be so 'strong' if they ran the risk of rejection like us? Hmmmmm..
nder if

They wouldn't. I have spoken to a few female friends of mine who exhibit bitterness due to the inability to attract some men. I've asked them, why don't you just go and speak to them and they start stuttering and spluttering over the very idea.

By and large, modern way women are cowards. That's why they often break up by text and don't return calls instead of just being straight forward (at least here in the dot)

Same here in much of the US(I can speak for parts of the Northeast, at least).

Here's something I've noticed about girls on my campus, a population similar to what you'll find in places like DC and in much of the northeastern upper class: they're not great flirts. They aren't very good at communicating and/or indicating their interest to men clearly, and part of that is because they're simply not willing or able to take the social risk and do so openly. Instead, they just play a crapload of games(riddled with obscure "signals" and other such things) and decide to let men figure it all out.

Of course, men aren't telepathic, so this creates more issues. The men can't understand why girls just can't be straightforward. Their confusion is understandable, because its common for them to get mixed signals.

Anecdote from my life on campus: You'll be in a frat basement hanging out when you see a cute girl across the room. She's eye-fucking the shit out of you. Her body is opened towards you. she holds direct eye contact. Her body language is just screaming "open me, I'm very interested in you." So, naturally, you walk over there and open her.

You get there and she suddenly seems distant. You're driving the whole conversation forward and she isn't adding much. She's just standing there-awkward silences begin to crop up. Her body language closes up. Pretty soon you go your separate ways.
You wonder what happened. Maybe your game wasn't tight enough, maybe she didn't like your look up close, etc, etc. You beat yourself up for a bit. This is what I did as I freshman.

Then I spent more time here and heard this same story cropping up dozens upon dozens of times from other guys on campus and it hit me: these girls just don't know how to flirt. It's not that they aren't actually attracted to you, because many times they are: the consistent IOIs the give are too obvious, and if they're drunk enough they'll even admit it(I've had them say it to my face at that stage). But they just can't express this attraction properly.

They can't be straightforward, and so they end up playing a ton of games and giving incongruent signals (read: eyefucking you consistently with open body language and then closing up as soon as you decide to approach, as if they weren't expecting that). When a guy they seem attracted to approaches them directly they just don't know what to do, and they're just not able or willing to take the social risk that comes with opening up and letting their blatantly visible attraction express itself the way the guy has by coming over to her and approaching. She hides behind games instead. This makes them tough to game-maybe you'll connect intellectually and she'll like you, but she'll never let herself just openly express this desire and reciprocate it, so getting a date or a lay is a huge challenge. The smarter the girl, the more likely she is to have this problem, so I'm willing to bet that places like DC are filled with these(hence its bad rep).

I'm not saying that any of this is insurmountable. Clearly, we're on an entire forum filled with guys who have over time mastered the art of outdoing women at these games they play and reading their obscure signals like a book. I'm just saying that in a more ideal world where girls were encouraged to be a bit clearer about what they want (as opposed to the obfuscation, flip-flopping, "rules" and other gameplaying we see now) perhaps our lives as guys would be much easier.

Part of the problem we're having as men in this society (problem enough to force many of us into online communities like this to talk about how to deal with it) might be the fact that our female counterparts are not only playing too many games, but are continuously being praised for doing so and encouraged to continue with it. Its bad enough now that many feel almost entitled to the right not to make any improvement, and can't imagine a world where they make more direct effort and just play fewer games (as Moma says, they start "stuttering and spluttering" at the idea).

Of course, guys get tired of the games and don't bother with the women who are then frustrated by the fact that guys can't figure them out and ave quit trying to. Of course, the girls don't want to make any changes on their own("they just need to man up!"). End result? Everyone is unhappy.

What a life.

Quote: (05-19-2011 01:16 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

[quote] (05-19-2011 10:22 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(05-19-2011, 09:28 AM)afronoob Wrote:  I wonder if women would be so 'strong' if they ran the risk of rejection like us? Hmmmmm..
nder if

Of course, guys get tired of the games and don't bother with the women who are then frustrated by the fact that guys can't figure them out and ave quit trying to. Of course, the girls don't want to make any changes on their own("they just need to man up!"). End result? Everyone is unhappy.

What a life.

Mr. McGinnis,

I hear you. The stateside cure for what ails you and countless other men on the least coast (NYC excluded) is Chicago.

Yes, they're still American girls and one still needs to put in work, but girls in Chicago are a little bit better looking and a little more friendly. Coming from back east it made a big difference.

I've read this forum for a while now and picked up some golden advice. I'll be putting up a Windy City data sheet in June.

Quote: (05-19-2011 01:16 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Here's something I've noticed about girls on my campus, a population similar to what you'll find in places like DC and in much of the northeastern upper class: they're not great flirts. They aren't very good at communicating and/or indicating their interest to men clearly, and part of that is because they're simply not willing or able to take the social risk and do so openly. Instead, they just play a crapload of games(riddled with obscure "signals" and other such things) and decide to let men figure it all out.

@Athlone:

What you're describing is something I've encountered enough to have developed a distinct approach for it. It's what I'd term "awkward- or nerd-girl game." You may ask: why even deal with these kind of girls? For one, there are gems to be had in these crowds. The circles they travel in rarely have guys in them with any game to speak of. A lot of them turn out to be sweet, girly dynamos once you pierce through the thick, awkward crust. Plus, I have a strange attraction to odd, weird girls that are unconventionally cute. To me, there's something endearing about a cute girl (usually raw 7s or 7.5s) with a bad posture, a little lisp, or unkempt (though long) hair. Maybe that's my weird thing. It's still better than these guys that like old broads and feet.

In earlier years I was also a magnet for these types of chicks (mainly because I found myself in places where they were abundant), so I had to figure out how to convert the prospects. It got grandfathered in, I guess. It's sort of like how you like the food you ate growing up, even though it may objectively suck balls.

All the traditional flirt-eliciting techniques are rendered useless since, as you point out, these girls simply don't get it. Your day-to-day game is probably not going land. I've repeatedly learned this lesson the hard way. Their initial signals--like eye-fucking you across the room and opening their posture to you--are unconscious female behaviors they can't help but telegraph. But as soon as you approach, you've forced them to use their brains, which are totally ignorant in the ways of attracting a man or even basic social interaction.

These are a few of several assumptions that have worked for me:

1. These girls are in a semi-retarded state of social development.
You basically have to deduct a few years from her real age and game her as if you were gaming a girl in high school. The caveat is that they're not actually in high-school, so their disposition is going to include weird impurities they've picked up over the years (the "games" and "obscure signals" you cite), that they've somehow convinced themselves "work." Set aside the full-blown player posture. Your goal is to have your game be one or two clicks above the regular nerd she encounters. Anything more is going to scare her.

2. Every IOI equals two.
These girls have generally trained themselves well in the art of self-restraint, so whatever burps out is going to mean a lot more. If one of the these girls asks my name, touches me deliberately, or laughs hysterically, I take it as license to escalate.

3. These girls are "relationship-minded."
This doesn't mean that you have to get into a relationship with them, but know that that's all they know. They may understand the concept of the casual hook-up, but they generally have no intention to participate in that lifestyle. You have to telegraph that you're boyfriend material, while understanding you'll need to temper it as you approach and capture the bang.

4. These girls over-think and over-intellectualize things.
You can definitely build rapport by taking things intellectual, and it's not a bad idea to go there (it conveys value and boyfriend-worthiness to them). But it's like looking at the sun: don't do it too long, lest you become another nerd trying to impress her with your intellect. Feed her mind a little and pivot to flightier, more "fun" topics.

This may seem like more work than it's worth, but frankly I don't see it as being any more than what we do for "regular" chicks (with the possible exception of cheap bar sluts).

I forget who it was, but I heard on the radio one time about this woman (who was a lesbian) who decided to try to pick up straight girls by pretending to be a man, for 6 months, and then wrote a book about it. Basically the gist of the book was that she was amazed at just how much more difficult it was for a man to pick up a woman than vice versa. She was frequently treated horribly and rudely, expected to just do things for the woman, and was rejected much more frequently than when she was being a woman. What a surprise.

Quote: (05-19-2011 03:06 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

This may seem like more work than it's worth, but frankly I don't see it as being any more than what we do for "regular" chicks (with the possible exception of cheap bar sluts).

Sorry dude, I gotta go join the other camp on this one. These girls aren't worth it. I learned that the hard way and its a lesson I'll not soon forget. If you want to conquer those mountains and take the long tough hike across them, you're welcome to it, but I'll charter a chopper and take the easier option. I'd advise most other men to do the same.

Quote: (05-19-2011 03:06 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (05-19-2011 01:16 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Here's something I've noticed about girls on my campus, a population similar to what you'll find in places like DC and in much of the northeastern upper class: they're not great flirts. They aren't very good at communicating and/or indicating their interest to men clearly, and part of that is because they're simply not willing or able to take the social risk and do so openly. Instead, they just play a crapload of games(riddled with obscure "signals" and other such things) and decide to let men figure it all out.

@Athlone:

What you're describing is something I've encountered enough to have developed a distinct approach for it. It's what I'd term "awkward- or nerd-girl game." You may ask: why even deal with these kind of girls? For one, there are gems to be had in these crowds. The circles they travel in rarely have guys in them with any game to speak of. A lot of them turn out to be sweet, girly dynamos once you pierce through the thick, awkward crust. Plus, I have a strange attraction to odd, weird girls that are unconventionally cute. To me, there's something endearing about a cute girl (usually raw 7s or 7.5s) with a bad posture, a little lisp, or unkempt (though long) hair. Maybe that's my weird thing. It's still better than these guys that like old broads and feet.

In earlier years I was also a magnet for these types of chicks (mainly because I found myself in places where they were abundant), so I had to figure out how to convert the prospects. It got grandfathered in, I guess. It's sort of like how you like the food you ate growing up, even though it may objectively suck balls.

All the traditional flirt-eliciting techniques are rendered useless since, as you point out, these girls simply don't get it. Your day-to-day game is probably not going land. I've repeatedly learned this lesson the hard way. Their initial signals--like eye-fucking you across the room and opening their posture to you--are unconscious female behaviors they can't help but telegraph. But as soon as you approach, you've forced them to use their brains, which are totally ignorant in the ways of attracting a man or even basic social interaction.

These are a few of several assumptions that have worked for me:

1. These girls are in a semi-retarded state of social development.
You basically have to deduct a few years from her real age and game her as if you were gaming a girl in high school. The caveat is that they're not actually in high-school, so their disposition is going to include weird impurities they've picked up over the years (the "games" and "obscure signals" you cite), that they've somehow convinced themselves "work." Set aside the full-blown player posture. Your goal is to have your game be one or two clicks above the regular nerd she encounters. Anything more is going to scare her.

2. Every IOI equals two.
These girls have generally trained themselves well in the art of self-restraint, so whatever burps out is going to mean a lot more. If one of the these girls asks my name, touches me deliberately, or laughs hysterically, I take it as license to escalate.

3. These girls are "relationship-minded."
This doesn't mean that you have to get into a relationship with them, but know that that's all they know. They may understand the concept of the casual hook-up, but they generally have no intention to participate in that lifestyle. You have to telegraph that you're boyfriend material, while understanding you'll need to temper it as you approach and capture the bang.

4. These girls over-think and over-intellectualize things.
You can definitely build rapport by taking things intellectual, and it's not a bad idea to go there (it conveys value and boyfriend-worthiness to them). But it's like looking at the sun: don't do it too long, lest you become another nerd trying to impress her with your intellect. Feed her mind a little and pivot to flightier, more "fun" topics.

This may seem like more work than it's worth, but frankly I don't see it as being any more than what we do for "regular" chicks (with the possible exception of cheap bar sluts).

Great breakdown. I went to a college with a lot of this type of girl and everything on this list seems very true. I'm with Athlone on this one, putting in the investment to bag one of these specimens is about as enjoyable as a root canal and not worth the effort, even in a market that's saturated with them.

When I was in college, my best and quickest successes actually came from doing the opposite of some of your suggestions. Bring the heat with grade-A asshole game--you'll scare off a lot of these awkward, relationship-oriented chicks but when you run into a slut (and they do exist, even in the nerdiest of environments) you stand out over all the other guys who are trying to play on the girls' playing field with beta tactics. You need to be prepared to get rejected a LOT, but in doing so you cull the population and get rid of the prospects who wouldn't have been worth it anyway, plus the ones who respond to your unapologetic asshole game will be all over your nuts.

Good ways to test a girl's sluttiness early on (besides seeing if she plays along with cocky banter) are asking what her major is, what groups she hangs out with, and what clubs or sorority she's in. You want to avoid the computer science/chemistry/Christian society type and be on that shit if she's a cheerleader, in Tridelt, and majoring in communications.

Quote: (05-19-2011 03:22 PM)thecrazyfool Wrote:  

I forget who it was, but I heard on the radio one time about this woman (who was a lesbian) who decided to try to pick up straight girls by pretending to be a man, for 6 months, and then wrote a book about it. Basically the gist of the book was that she was amazed at just how much more difficult it was for a man to pick up a woman than vice versa. She was frequently treated horribly and rudely, expected to just do things for the woman, and was rejected much more frequently than when she was being a woman. What a surprise.

Oh I think I read an article years ago about the same woman. Said something about her needing therapy after a year of doing after going a little crazy or something. I could tell she ended up being more sympathetic to the male condition after a lot of what she saw, and the pressures men can be under. Gives me little comfort though considering most women will always have their heads up their asses...