Quote: (11-04-2013 06:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

How many guys here promote shoring? I can name only 3:

Naughty Nomad
Skywalker
Lumiere

Who am I missing? Will this list get up to 10?

I don't know, but from local knowledge in Bangkok, a lot of guys talk about scoring from these late night clubs called Insomnia, Climax and a couple others and the simple fact is that 90% of girls there are hookers eithers fulltime, part time or freelance and the rest are their friends.

I've known people say they scored this cute chick with a 'real job' in Insomnia, where if you had actually been there, you'd full well know there aren't any 'normal' girls there. Any Thai girls with any self respect would never be seen dead in such a place. I honestly can't understand how anyone could be in that club (Insomnia) and think they aren't looking at hoes and johns exclusively. So yeah, a lot of notches in SEA/Thailand at least, I would say are probably shoring.

In such cases, I don't see the point, in such nightclubs it is better to assume everyone is a whore and either pay them or go to a real nightclub instead.

Lots of the same tired arguments defending prostitutes, here are the rebuttals:


1. You only pick up women for ego-validation.

Rebuttal: There are also feelings of love and attachment that come with regular women that has nothing to do with ego-validation. And if you pay for sex, you will never get the romance.

2. You pay no matter what, time or money.

Rebuttal: Paying with time builds feelings of love and attachment. Money does not. Thus not all payments are equal.

3. Some whore you banged "for free" was just banged out by another guy who paid her.

Rebuttal: Any solid player who enjoys the chase and romance isn't banging whores. They may be sluts, yes, but not whores.

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It all comes down to this:

Whores are the best kind of porn. But it's still just porn.

There is no difference, in practice, between banging a whore or beating off to a porn video. Porn stars are just whores who are paid to have sex with each other.

It's scary to think how many girls we've banged that have or are peddling pussy on the side. Whether "indirectly" through SA, or straight up on CL or Backpage. A lot of these chicks have boyfriends that are completely oblivious to the fact.

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Whores are the best kind of porn. But it's still just porn.

Two can play at that game. I could say that sex without a deep emotional connection - "true love" - is porn.

There's some truth to that, too.

I wonder how many guys have been able to "make love" since taking the red pill?

Maybe thats' a separate thread.

An abundance mentality makes it very difficult to find love. You can't very well fall in love if your mindset is that a girl can be replaced.

When is the last time you felt like this?

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince...ter21.html

Quote: (11-05-2013 01:18 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Whores are the best kind of porn. But it's still just porn.

Two can play at that game. I could say that sex without a deep emotional connection - "true love" - is porn.

There's some truth to that, too.

I wonder how many guys have been able to "make love" since taking the red pill?

Maybe thats' a separate thread.

An abundance mentality makes it very difficult to find love. You can't very well fall in love if your mindset is that a girl can be replaced.

When is the last time you felt like this?

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince...ter21.html

I can fall in love with girls.

Good sex is love to me.

When you feel the woman opening up to a completely vulnerable state, and you are the controller.

It's like playing a fine instrument that let's you go to places that that other instruments can't. True love is not having your energy blocked- the girl becomes an amplification of your soul- her body is the vessel.

I've had this with ONS girls before.

It's a transcendent experience where are all the lies and games melt away and it you are left with a glowing hot molten truth.

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

It's scary to think how many girls we've banged that have or are peddling pussy on the side. Whether "indirectly" through SA, or straight up on CL or Backpage. A lot of these chicks have boyfriends that are completely oblivious to the fact.

I watch it (BP+CL) like a hawk as well as mugshots and dating sites for lulz and I will call my friends when I see their exes or girlfriends and wives on any one of them again for more lulz.

Edit: It happens

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Lots of the same tired arguments defending prostitutes, here are the rebuttals:


1. You only pick up women for ego-validation.

Rebuttal: There are also feelings of love and attachment that come with regular women that has nothing to do with ego-validation. And if you pay for sex, you will never get the romance.

2. You pay no matter what, time or money.

Rebuttal: Paying with time builds feelings of love and attachment. Money does not. Thus not all payments are equal.

3. Some whore you banged "for free" was just banged out by another guy who paid her.

Rebuttal: Any solid player who enjoys the chase and romance isn't banging whores. They may be sluts, yes, but not whores.

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It all comes down to this:

Whores are the best kind of porn. But it's still just porn.

There is no difference, in practice, between banging a whore or beating off to a porn video. Porn stars are just whores who are paid to have sex with each other.

Yea Sam because we all know how deeply we fall in love with and develop feelings of attachment for the random bar skanks we pump and dump here in the U.S.

I'm not talking about chicks that you date or spend a lot of time with, but a good majority of guys on here, myself included, have a shit ton of notches that were ONS with some random broad we picked up and fucked from the bars. These are chicks that I have no interest in developing feelings for and getting attached to, I just want them for sex, not unlike fucking a hot escort.

With these pump and dumps we're just trying to get a nut off, sure it's nice that we get the rush of using game to seduce, it's much more gratifying than paying for it, I'm not going to dispute that... But, at the end of the night, what it boils down to is that we're just trying to bust and nut and get off. I don't think it's too much different than p4p, it's the same result just though different means.

For some guys, going to a terma in Brazil or brothel in Nevada might be more enjoyable than staying out to 3 AM getting rejected by countless chicks, only to pull a drunk 6 at the end of the night for some mediocre sex.

The thing with anti p4p guys, is they are so rigid in their attitude towards it, and are completely caught up in "black and white thinking." Their mindset is that it's wrong and frowned upon, yet they can't realize that there may be a time and place for everything.

I also don't understand why they can't grasp that there are guys who have game, can and do get laid with regular chicks, but still choose to do a little p4p on occasion. I don't think there is a single guy on here is saying that guys should give up on game and solely do p4p for pussy, if there was that would be grounds for a banning or at least a good bit of condemnation.

Finally, in regards to the list of 3 guys that Roosh made who are into "shoring", it's a convenient list because none of those members are actively posting on here. From reading threads in the travel section over the past 3 years there are definitely a bunch more guys who have done a bunch of shoring, but I'm not going to name names, and put those dudes on blast like that.

Furthermore, I'm not going to even hate on them for shoring, a lot of them are great posters that I enjoy reading and bring value to the forum. I could care less whether they shore, good for them for getting pussy. My only gripe was when they try to act holier than thou when they shore, but look down on guys who do p4p, because at the end of the day they're both fucking the same whores.

Lets put it in perspective. Here's the selection from BP ATL:

http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/

Browse the list and decide if you'd pay for any of that. You don't have to answer, its a thinking exercise, so put your fuzzy thinking cap on.

OGNor and Mike:

Even if you don't fall madly in love, there can still be feelings of romance and attachment.

Obviously if you bang some drunk broad on a 3am night, it's just sex. There's also not much ego-validation either, other than having the skill and timing to find the drunk sluts.

But that's not how I play the game. I get a lot of satisfaction out of my bangs, because:

- They are all sober
- They are at my place before midnight (no hail-mary's)
- They aren't done with dating

My style is pure swoop, and I only wish I wouldn't grow old so I could enjoy this forever. I find the cute girls who like me and go for the bang. They are young and inexperienced. To compare that to some used up whore is like comparing a brand new car to used car and saying, "they both have wheels and move."

Quote: (11-05-2013 01:32 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Lets put it in perspective. Here's the selection from BP ATL:

http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/

Browse the list and decide if you'd pay for any of that. You don't have to answer, its a thinking exercise, so put your fuzzy thinking cap on.

This one ain't bad:

http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEscort...2/18295953

Now who wants to find out if it's real?

Sex and Love are two separate things. Now how you chase those two is up for debate.

P4P or a random romp with a girl from the bar can both be equally as empty (or fulfilling).

Quote: (11-05-2013 01:25 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

It's scary to think how many girls we've banged that have or are peddling pussy on the side. Whether "indirectly" through SA, or straight up on CL or Backpage. A lot of these chicks have boyfriends that are completely oblivious to the fact.

I watch it (BP+CL) like a hawk as well as mugshots and dating sites for lulz and I will call my friends when I see their exes on any one of them again for more lulz.

Edit: It happens

I do this too. Its a troll worthy skill to obtain but it helps me in that I can step out and smell a pro from a mile away. I never warn dudes when out and I spot one though as you gotta let them learn the hard way. He is either going to shore it, or last minute if she smells blood in the water she will flip the script and try to get cash out of him.

Quote: (11-05-2013 01:25 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

My only gripe was when they try to act holier than thou when they shore, but look down on guys who do p4p, because at the end of the day they're both fucking the same whores.

That's pretty much how I look at it when the shoring comes up. A whore is a whore whether you pay for it or not.

And for what these broads apparently cost, I'd be more likely to toss 20 bux to the one I might want versus plying them with booze and game to try and get that specific one. Why fight it when the cost is so minimal overseas?

At home? Hookers not an option currently.

Down the road another 10 years or so I'll probably dip my toes in p4p as I pass 50. More likely is I'll find myself a "kept" woman at that point to kick back and relax with.

I don't need, nor want, 100 broads a year now, so I certainly won't then.

$3500 for 24 hrs.


http://www.eros-atlanta.com/sections/atl...scorts.htm

Quote: (11-05-2013 01:18 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Whores are the best kind of porn. But it's still just porn.

Two can play at that game. I could say that sex without a deep emotional connection - "true love" - is porn.

There's some truth to that, too.

I wonder how many guys have been able to "make love" since taking the red pill?

Maybe thats' a separate thread.

An abundance mentality makes it very difficult to find love. You can't very well fall in love if your mindset is that a girl can be replaced.

When is the last time you felt like this?

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince...ter21.html

Not to get into this discussion, but I got a huge grin on my face upon seeing the Little Prince quoted here. Amazing!

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Lots of the same tired arguments defending prostitutes, here are the rebuttals:


1. You only pick up women for ego-validation.

Rebuttal: There are also feelings of love and attachment that come with regular women that has nothing to do with ego-validation. And if you pay for sex, you will never get the romance.

Why does a stone cold player need love or romance?

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2. You pay no matter what, time or money.

Rebuttal: Paying with time builds feelings of love and attachment. Money does not. Thus not all payments are equal.

Who is to say you can't make a whore fall in love?

Remember they are still girls.

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3. Some whore you banged "for free" was just banged out by another guy who paid her.

Rebuttal: Any solid player who enjoys the chase and romance isn't banging whores. They may be sluts, yes, but not whores.

That is false.

Again, look at the biggest players of history.

They all banged hookers.

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There is no difference, in practice, between banging a whore or beating off to a porn video.

Since you are speaking from a position of authority to make the comparison, have you done both?



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The point I am getting at is that this stuff is not black and white, it's shades of grey.

No need to take such a hard line approach, to do so is shows inexperience.

Either choose to do it or don't (like me).

No need to hate on another Man (who many times is a bigger player than you).

Quote: (11-05-2013 01:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (11-05-2013 12:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Lots of the same tired arguments defending prostitutes, here are the rebuttals:


1. You only pick up women for ego-validation.

Rebuttal: There are also feelings of love and attachment that come with regular women that has nothing to do with ego-validation. And if you pay for sex, you will never get the romance.

Why does a stone cold player need love or romance?

Because it makes the sex better. There is no better feeling that having a girl fawn all over you, simply because of how awesome you are.

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2. You pay no matter what, time or money.

Rebuttal: Paying with time builds feelings of love and attachment. Money does not. Thus not all payments are equal.

Who is to say you can't make a whore fall in love?

Remember they are still girls.

She ain't gonna fall in love with you if you swooped her with money. And if she does, it's almost 100% bullshit since she'll just fall in love with the next guy who buys her.

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3. Some whore you banged "for free" was just banged out by another guy who paid her.

Rebuttal: Any solid player who enjoys the chase and romance isn't banging whores. They may be sluts, yes, but not whores.

That is false.

Again, look at the biggest players of history.

They all banged hookers.

Let me rephrase that.

"Any solid player who enjoys the chase and romance isn't focusing on banging whores. He may bang sluts because it's impossible to tell how slutty a girl is before you get to know her, but no player is seeking out the used goods."

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There is no difference, in practice, between banging a whore or beating off to a porn video.

Since you are speaking from a position of authority to make the comparison, have you done both?

Obviously the whores are better, but in principle it is the same - just using someone for a quick orgasm. Compare that to picking up regular girls, where there is a possibility of rejection, an element of swoop skill, and getting a girl to become emotionally invested in you.

Porn: Load up the vid and have an orgasm.
Whores: Set up an appointment and have an orgasm.

I don't see why any player would be willing to $500 hr on an escort. For that I would:

1. Get a hotel in DT ATL. Marriott Buckhead= $103 per night. Across from Lenox Square and accessible to MARTA. Unlimited daygaming ops.

2. Bottle of Jameson w/ mixers= <$30. For pre gaming.

3. Catch a buzz, catch the hotel shuttle to the airport. Drink in bar and game girls outside while smoking.

4. Return and troll hotel bar. $20 for drinks

5. Take shuttle to bars/clubs in area before it shuts down. Cab it back, with potential lay. $20 for cab, $50 for drinks.

6. Wake up and continue online game for dates. Free.

7. Game Lenox mall and surrounding areas. $10 for food.

8. Wash, rinse, repeat.

$500 goes a long way for a full weekend in Atlanta, and I can pull far more value from it, rather than 1 hour with a worn out whore.

The biggest difference is a full 2-3 days of fun, food, drinks, potential biz contacts, ect.

I respect $500.

Quote: (11-05-2013 02:22 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I don't see why any player would be willing to $500 hr on an escort. For that I would:

1. Get a hotel in DT ATL. Marriott Buckhead= $103 per night. Across from Lenox Square and accessible to MARTA. Unlimited daygaming ops.

2. Bottle of Jameson w/ mixers= <$30. For pre gaming.

3. Catch a buzz, catch the hotel shuttle to the airport. Drink in bar and game girls outside while smoking.

4. Return and troll hotel bar. $20 for drinks

5. Take shuttle to bars/clubs in area before it shuts down. Cab it back, with potential lay. $20 for cab, $50 for drinks.

6. Wake up and continue online game for dates. Free.

7. Game Lenox mall and surrounding areas. $10 for food.

8. Wash, rinse, repeat.

$500 goes a long way for a full weekend in Atlanta, and I can pull far more value from it, rather than 1 hour with a worn out whore.

The biggest difference is a full 2-3 days of fun, food, drinks, potential biz contacts, ect.

I respect $500.

I agree, and have never done p4p. Maybe there's a a quality difference.

No broad is worth 5 bills for an hour.

Quote: (11-05-2013 02:32 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

No broad is worth 5 bills for an hour.

That old wrinkly chick I posted wants $3.5K per night. That's 1 WHOLE MOHTH in the DR, airfare included. With pipelining, you can bang at least 5 girls that month, in lazy mode. Plus sit out on the beach drinking Barcelo all day and eating better food. See the difference?

Quote: (11-05-2013 02:22 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I don't see why any player would be willing to $500 hr on an escort. For that I would:

1. Get a hotel in DT ATL. Marriott Buckhead= $103 per night. Across from Lenox Square and accessible to MARTA. Unlimited daygaming ops.

2. Bottle of Jameson w/ mixers= <$30. For pre gaming.

3. Catch a buzz, catch the hotel shuttle to the airport. Drink in bar and game girls outside while smoking.

4. Return and troll hotel bar. $20 for drinks

5. Take shuttle to bars/clubs in area before it shuts down. Cab it back, with potential lay. $20 for cab, $50 for drinks.

6. Wake up and continue online game for dates. Free.

7. Game Lenox mall and surrounding areas. $10 for food.

8. Wash, rinse, repeat.

$500 goes a long way for a full weekend in Atlanta, and I can pull far more value from it, rather than 1 hour with a worn out whore.

The biggest difference is a full 2-3 days of fun, food, drinks, potential biz contacts, ect.

I respect $500.

Where's a good place to watch SEC football games with single chicks on Saturdays? I'd probably daygame doing that while perhaps staying in Buckhead and then hitting up bars on Virginia Highlands. $500.00 can take you a long way for a weekend in ATL.

I don't even know what sec actually stands for, and avoid sports bars during games like the plague, as they are shit for meeting girls, unless you find those few that aren't paying attention, and try to bounce them to a quieter spot. Too many unnecessary steps.

But just about any bar down there, with flat screens, will be playing the popular sports stuff.

Quote: (11-05-2013 02:32 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

No broad is worth 5 bills for an hour.

This is a very good point - I suspect prostitution isn't more widespread in America due to how overpriced these disgusting pussies are.

If pussy was 20 bucks an hour, probably every guy would do it.

Quote: (11-05-2013 02:38 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (11-05-2013 02:32 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

No broad is worth 5 bills for an hour.

That old wrinkly chick I posted wants $3.5K per night. That's 1 WHOLE MOHTH in the DR, airfare included. With pipelining, you can bang at least 5 girls that month, in lazy mode. Plus sit out on the beach drinking Barcelo all day and eating better food. See the difference?

I haven't been arguing with you.

Pic never came up for the broad you posted, but I wouldn't spend 500 for an hour with Jessica Alba circa Sin City. Let alone 3500 a night.

As long as they are hot there isn't that much difference between various broads. My dick gets equally hard.

Serious question:

For $500 hr, would you:

Kiss?
Eat her pussy?
Lick her ass?
Rawdog?

I suspect probably not so, looking at it as a business transaction because it is, what exactly are you getting? 1 hr, a covered blowjob, maybe 2 sexual positions, and ejaculating into a condom?


@Hotwheels- The other post wasn't directed towards you. We're on the same page.