Just wrapped up a 10 day scouting mission of Kiev!

Here's my thoughts;

The city:

As an American who speaks only English, I found Kiev to be an intimidating city.  I never really felt safe here.  I was lucky.  Everyone I dealt with was honest during my 10 day stay.  But rip offs, shake downs, scams and even robbery has happened to nearly every other foreign traveler I spoke with who has visited.

I noticed that whenever I spoke english out loud in public, the people nearby would take notice.  I would get stares.  I learned to keep my mouth shut most of the time.  Especially on the metro train, walking alone, or at night. 

On 2 separate occasions during the day, a man would get up in my face, speaking quite aggressive.  I don't know what they were saying.  I just backed up, ignored and walked around them.  They followed behind for a bit, but gave up after I gave no response.  I learned to always walk fast after these events.  No one bothered me for money anymore either when I switched to walking fast.  The problem with fast walking and not speaking was fewer day game approaches.

There are police and security posted up all over the city, but at night I was more weary of a shake down from them, as had happened to my friend some weeks earlier.  Any time I saw police at night, I would cross the to the other side of the street. 

I stayed on Kreshatik, the main city center street @ $60 per night via airbnb.  The food was not good.  No tap water is available in restaurants or bars. Bottled only.

People would frequently push ahead of me. Cut in front of me in lines. There is a lack of common courtosy here found in other cities.
I didn't see any other tourists.  Unless you count the hordes of Turks who frequent the nightclubs.


The girls:

Finally, the good part.  For all this cities drawbacks, Kiev girls are the #1 thing that makes this city still worth it.

The women in Kiev are the hottest I have ever seen.  The only country that can touch them might be russia, but I won't be there for another few weeks.

The women of Kiev have everything.  Pretty eyes, long healthy hair, clear skin, great style, feminine personalities, and curvy figures.  I went in expecting them to be too skinny for my taste, but I was pleasantly surprised to find the women of Kiev rocking plenty of boner inducing curves. The only drawback is occasional bad teeth (common to eastern Europe).

Besides hotness, the biggest differentiator between Kiev girls and other eastern European cities, is a greater urgency to find a man. 

As one of my girls explained, "In Kiev, there are only 9 men for every 10 women.  There are many competitors.  Ukrainian man is spoiled".

The women of Kiev strongly possess what Greek Kamari calls the slavic soul/sadness.Be ready for lots of comfortable/uncomfortable silences at dinner, depending on your level of cultural understanding.

Acceptable age difference is the widest I've seen in Europe, but not as wide as SEA.  Lots of older men with hot young women on their arm.  A 21 y/o girl will write that she is looking for a 27-35 man.  Some will go up to 40, and occasionally even higher.  I never felt the need to lie about my age, nor did I ever get disqualified on it, which happens to me a lot in the US.


Game in Kiev:

Online game was so good to me in Kiev, I didn't need to spend much time hollering during the day, or grinding it out in the clubs.  Being American was a BIG deal on these sites.  I was sure to put it in my username, start of my profile, and my opening message   In Kiev, being American = baller status. Avg starting salary here is $400 USD per month.

I pipelined via Mamba, VK, and Ukrainedate just a few days before my stay.  Upon arriving in Kiev, I had multiple dates lined up same day.  I corresponded with (got responses back from) neary 100 girls online.  Nearly all the girls I actually met up with (about 10) were linguistics majors, or had a serious interest in English language.  The others didn't pan out mostly due to language barrier.  Skype chat was my go-to.

3 of these girls were virgins.  A few were golddiggers.  1 straight up offered sex for money on the date.  I peaced out the golddiggers (one wanted me to "invest" in her business idea, another wanted me to take her & her friend to budda bar). 

I made the virgins my short term girlfriends during my 2 week stay.  The virgins provided sex acts (but no sex), and cooked at my apartment on a 2-3 day rotation.  All were jocking for the #1 spot (I am actively looking to wife up within a year), but honestly I couldn't decide who I liked best:

One was a 19 y/o brunette barbie doll with huge tits and tiny waist who I had an amazing intellectual connection with, and had never even kissed a man until me.  Another was an amazing cook, with the prettiest face I've ever seen, and the most sensual touch I've ever felt.  The last one was a 22 y/o career girl from a wealthy family, who wore fishnet stockings to bed and brought me a gift every visit (book, bracelet). 

These girls were more sheltered compared to what you get same age in the US/UK.  They never go to clubs.  Never smoked or even had a drink.  But at the same time, they were ready to start families.  I even spoke to some of their moms on the phone (via translator...they kept calling their daughters for by the hour updates with Mr. American). 

Virgin pussies are so tight, I could hardly fit a finger inside these girls. My conscioince would not allow me to push to deflower knowing I was leaving the country in a few days.  I will return to Kiev soon for a longer stay. All 3 want me to be their first, but also a commitment. Total sweethearts though. I've never been treated so well, or received so many complimements. It's not quite a courtship role reversal, but they put in just as much into it as I was, if not more.

Because of so much online action, I did less than 10 street approaches.  Kreshatik is not great for Daygame, because people would stare when I projected in English. On weekends the street is closed to traffic and more people are out, but it's nearly all 2 sets. 

My instadate came from the University park.  She was sitting on the bench alone, and once I said I was a lost American on business, it was on.  We spent 2 hours together, but I couldn't get her up to my room same day (Kiev girls are conservative like Polish).  I didn't day 2 her, because I already had so much going with the virgins.

For clubs, I hit up Vodka bar a few times, as well as Shooters "ladies night" Wed, and Forsage student club.  I went with a forumer wing who knew the scene, who spoke fluent Russian. 

He assures me we were just unlucky on our nights, but my experience was a sausage fest every time.  Hookers?  Yeah.  Very bad nightlife compared to Wroclaw, which was a great city for clubs. 

As one of my girls explained, "Kiev is a city of virgins and whores.  There are not many in the middle".  This was my experience exactly.  I met 1 girl in the middle, who was 24, and not a virgin or pro.

Bottom line:

Kiev is a crap city, with the best quality in Europe.  I can't imagine living there for too long, but it's a great place to meet top tier, and get the hell out of there together.  If you're not ready to wife up and just looking for sex, getting it can be harder than in the west.  If you want a ukranian girlfriend, you will have to stay in Kiev, and learn to love it.  Along with some language skills, and a safety network, because it's only a matter of time before you get fucked with.

Overall, Kiev is a must visit for any Euro trip, regardless of your goals. Main reason; it will reset your bar for excellence when it comes to quality. After being spoiled in Kiev, it's made me realize just how un-feminine most western girls are in comparison.

In reality in Ukraine after 2-3 days I usually completely abandon the online action since quality on the streets is so much better.Online is good for the guaranteed bangs in the first two days.
When overdressed you attract the attention of thieves as well.You should try Carribean Club,D'Lux and Decadence.The latter are the high end clubs which attract the most beautiful women.(they also have door's policy for that).

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(I am actively looking to wife up within a year),

In the meantime we will enjoy your short stay with the RVF and utilize all the solid information you have provided thus far. Good luck!

Good Report! Based on stories from Ukraine girls I've met (there and one in Prague who did the odessa -> marry 20y older Canadian guy -> Americas -> divorce -> prague) and one who runs a marriage agency (who my wing met at random in Odessa and we got to hang with us a couple of times) a very large percentage of the Ukraine brides ditch their happy husband once they get the US/Western Passport. Granted the bigger the "mismatch" the bigger the risk, but probably a good strategy is to keep them guessing or keep mum on their wifehood chances until the time is right.

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

Overall, Kiev is a must visit for any Euro trip, regardless of your goals. Main reason; it will reset your bar for excellence when it comes to quality. After being spoiled in Kiev, it's made me realize just how un-feminine most western girls are in comparison.

Yep...it does reset the bar. I'm back home and currently going through withdrawal pains, and any girl I see wearing flip flops or sneakers outside of a gym/working out is just about automatically getting a demerit based on that alone.

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

Just wrapped up a 10 day scouting mission of Kiev!

Overall, Kiev is a must visit for any Euro trip, regardless of your goals. Main reason; it will reset your bar for excellence when it comes to quality. After being spoiled in Kiev, it's made me realize just how un-feminine most western girls are in comparison.

Great report especially in dealing with security issue. Since I was stopped right on Khreschatyk almost in front of Zara it made me realize how f*ed up a place this really is yet I return.

From the taxi drivers trying to rip you off to the prick bartenders at Vodka bar with attitude watching what you tip like a hawk - Kiev is all these things and more.

In most large Western cities you get way better food selection Thai, Lebanese, Chinese, etc at cheaper prices.

Yet knowing that I can get a opportunity to score with a much younger and hotter girl then I could back home does wonder's for the self confidence and keeps me coming back.

Great report. The tap water thing is pretty common in Europe, but at least bottled water is pretty cheap.

In terms of online game, any stats on success rate? In other words, if you sent out X messages, how many of those actually replied, how many were interested in meeting, etc?

Not criticising you, just saying the following to help other poor souls avoid the same traps:

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

I stayed on Kreshatik, the main city center street @ $60 per night via airbnb.  The food was not good.  No tap water is available in restaurants or bars. Bottled only.

Kreschatik is the most shit part of the whole centre. You would have a much better time in Kiev if you never stepped foot on that street. The restaurants there are the equivalent of McDonalds and other fast food places in the US. They don't offer tap water because anyone who drinks it gets kidney stones.

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

I noticed that whenever I spoke english out loud in public, the people nearby would take notice.  I would get stares.  I learned to keep my mouth shut most of the time.  Especially on the metro train, walking alone, or at night. 

There aren't many foreigners in Ukraine. That makes you interesting and is the reason you can get laid so easily.

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

On 2 separate occasions during the day, a man would get up in my face, speaking quite aggressive.  I don't know what they were saying.  I just backed up, ignored and walked around them.  They followed behind for a bit, but gave up after I gave no response.  I learned to always walk fast after these events.  No one bothered me for money anymore either when I switched to walking fast.  The problem with fast walking and not speaking was fewer day game approaches.

Russian intonation is completely different to English and other Western European languages, as is their body language. The guy could have been asking for directions, but to English ears it can sound like he wants to kill you. You have to forget your culture and whatever you know when you come to Russia.

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

There are police and security posted up all over the city, but at night I was more weary of a shake down from them, as had happened to my friend some weeks earlier.  Any time I saw police at night, I would cross the to the other side of the street. 

This 'shakedown' stuff is bullshit. You don't have to give or show anything to the cops. Don't give them your passport, don't take out your wallet, and don't let them see your phone. You can carry a photocopy of your documents if you're Asian/black/hispanic and want to save some time.

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

People would frequently push ahead of me. Cut in front of me in lines. There is a lack of common courtosy here found in other cities.

They don't queue in Russia. They use "who's last / I'm after you." They aren't used to tourists who dick around not knowing where they're going. None of it is rude; it's just a different culture.

Quote: (10-22-2013 05:35 PM)paninaro Wrote:  

In terms of online game, any stats on success rate? In other words, if you sent out X messages, how many of those actually replied, how many were interested in meeting, etc?

It depends on your looks, whether or not you speak Russian, your level of game, the girl's level of appearance, age gap and other factors. There is no way to tell. I get about 3/4 reply rate, but I've been here for almost a decade and speak Russian. Out of the ones who reply, I would only meet about one in ten, but that's because I live here and already have regulars. They have to actually be interesting (mentally) for me to want to put the effort in.

Understand that if you write in English, probably 2/3 will only be interested in practicing English with you, so you need to ask pointed questions to figure out what they want. If you're not looking for anything long- or even medium-term, just say you're from Switzerland or something like that so the ones who want to practice English won't be interested.

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You don't have to give or show anything to the cops.

Sorry my friend, but this is not what everybody has experienced. I know somebody who went to jail for refusing to pay the shakedown and it was a white person. However I do respect that with 10 years of russia under belt, your tone and experiences do vary.

Quote: (10-22-2013 03:02 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

Good Report! Based on stories from Ukraine girls I've met (there and one in Prague who did the odessa -> marry 20y older Canadian guy -> Americas -> divorce -> prague) and one who runs a marriage agency (who my wing met at random in Odessa and we got to hang with us a couple of times) a very large percentage of the Ukraine brides ditch their happy husband once they get the US/Western Passport. Granted the bigger the "mismatch" the bigger the risk, but probably a good strategy is to keep them guessing or keep mum on their wifehood chances until the time is right.

You are spot-on! Anyone expecting to find a wife in the FSU and take her back to their country is an idiot, IMO. It takes at least 5 years to understand the culture and even then it's very hard to find a match. Seriously, if you're not interested in Russian culture, don't expect to find an honest Russian wife. Even if you do find one, as soon as you take her to the US or any other Western country she'll adapt to the local culture and become a feminazi.

Quote: (10-22-2013 06:20 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

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You don't have to give or show anything to the cops.

Sorry my friend, but this is not what everybody has experienced. I know somebody who went to jail for refusing to pay the shakedown and it was a white person. However I do respect that with 10 years of russia under belt, your tone and experiences do vary.

And I know a black guy who lived in Kiev for a year, got stopped 3-4 times EVERY day, and never had to do anything more than wait for them to get bored. If the guy you knew went to gaol, was he doing something illegal in the first place? Drinking on the street, for example?

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:40 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In reality in Ukraine after 2-3 days I usually completely abandon the online action since quality on the streets is so much better.Online is good for the guaranteed bangs in the first two days.
When overdressed you attract the attention of thieves as well.You should try Carribean Club,D'Lux and Decadence.The latter are the high end clubs which attract the most beautiful women.(they also have door's policy for that).

Agree. Plus the problem with online game is that Photoshop is the national hobby. They can turn out to be a lot worse when you meet. And sometimes a lot better too.

+1 Dave

My first time Kiev experience lines up almost exactly with what you describe. I can actually see the Op's perspective as a first time Kiev guy, like myself. But it really is how you react/perceive what is going on around you. I took it as D described it. I'm out having a drink right now, but maybe i'll try to expand later.

One more thing on the marriage idea...

The Russian idea marriage is not the same as what you find in the English speaking world. It's much more of a 'here and now' affair; i.e. they do it for the experience. If you have kids, they are HER kids, not yours together. Most people were raised by their mother and grandmother, and they usually live together. There is not even a drop of stigma against single mothers in Russia. As you can see, the whole concept of the family unit is different.

SOrry if this is bad news to anyone, but it's better that you see the reality now rather than spending five years chasing something which doesn't exist.

Update. Kind of long.


After 2 weeks in Helsinki & Tallinn, I returned to Kiev for second time. This time for more of a romp, and less of a scouting mission. 2 weeks this time. This marked the first time on my Euro tour that I have returned to a city I had previously visited during my itinerary. Reason why? I still had so much action going, that I knew I'd be kicking myself if I didn't return, and finish what I started.

This time around, I chose to stay south of Kreshatik. Closer to the Olimpiski metro station. This area is still in the city center, but away from the mad crowds of Kreshatik. It's also sandwiched between the National Univeristy, and the Linguistic University. Finally, this neighborhood has a slightly updated, more international vibe than other parts of the city, due to the fancy new Olympic stadium, which Kiev wanted to make a good impression with to the international community during the games.

Shortly after arriving, I re-aquainted with 2 of my 3 sweet virgin girls. The high class one was the most down after I'd been away. Before coming over she asked, "so, do guys prefer shaved down there, or natural?" She made a good effort, but unfortunately, the sex was terrible. Just god awful. Like a self aware robot . Tried one more time with her, but there were just no feelings. She got obsessed after that. Multiple messages per day. Baking me pies I did not ask for. One morning, while leaving the apartment with one of my main rotation girls, there was an apple pie left at the door, attached note with a lipstick kiss. My main girl saw it clearly, and laughed. "oh my...looks like you have a fan". It was a funny moment, and while she handled it gracefully, part of her fantasy of me died after she had time to think about it. That said, she continued to fuck me after, so whatever.

I still continue to push robot ex-virgin away, but it's only making her chase stronger. The girl has a perfectionist personality. I've tried explaining that it isn't her fault, and that sometimes 2 people just aren't compatible sexually. Hoping she will stop, but really just a minor annoyance.

On a happier note, virgin #2 blow up doll was much better. Granted, it took me 7 dates to close the deal. A new record, and believe me, I tried for faster. Maybe that affected my perception/accomplishment. This girl had never even kissed a man before me. What bothered me though was her adversarial attitude toword male/female relationships. "Don't you want to be the victor?" she would ask, in response to her holding out for so long. I explained that in a healthy relationship, you work together as a team, not compete. This didn't make any sense to her. The only way she could justify surrender was after a pitched battle. I found this power struggle a consistent theme in Kiev. It was exhausting to go through every time. We had sex every few days since I came back, which limited my approach mojo, but it's ok because after the sex battles, it was a joy to spend time with her. A cool thing about some virgins, is that this one was able to adapt to me perfectly. No bad techniques I had to correct. I simply told her what to do, and she would perform it exactly as ordered. Same goes for her outfits. Every time she showed up, she surprised me with a new head turning ensemble that left me drooling on the floor.

Even dudes at the restaurant would stare, and this is a city with no shortage of hot looking talent. Still, I couldn't help but wonder what else the women of Kiev had to offer. I kept up the pace...


The next week, I met a small town Ukraine girl on a dating site. Long blonde hair like Rapunzel. 2 Skype chats later, she was on a 15 hour train ride to spend the weekend with me (on her dime). I didn't have to run any game, but I did pay for all her meals. She had 1 previous boyfriend in her life, who was also an American. After 6 months together, he didn't want to marry her. Rapunzel was now dead set on falling in love with another, as a means to leave Ukraine permenantly, like her older sister did.

I met her at the train station. She arrived looking spectacular. Perfect hair and makeup. Laughing at everything I said. As a language student, her English was refreshingly fluent. Now that I think of it, almost all the girls I had sex with in Kiev studied foreign languages. We explored the city together during the day. That first night, she excalimed "I'm not having sex with you!" while we were fooling around. I turned around, and ignored her after that. She asked me what was wrong half a dozen times. I kept ignoring her, and went to play on my computer. 10 minutes later, she yelled from the other room, "I'm just going to go home". I turned my head, and saw she had gotten dressed. She was now staring at me, expectantly. I looked at her dead in the eyes. Held eye contact for about 10 seconds of silence.

Then I shrugged my shoulders, turned back to my computer, and said "see ya cutie".

I heard the clacking of her shoes next. But instead of door opening and storming off, they were running over to me. She threw her arms around me, landed her ass in my lap, and said "I'm sorry!" We fucked passionately for the rest of her stay.

We had a fun weekend. But by the end, I could tell why the first guy didn't marry her. She was beautiful, by any standard. But she was such a handful. Bring a girl like that to the US, and she would become spoiled worse than McDonalds next day french fries. I just couldn't see it working out long term. I bid her dasvedanya at the train station, and stayed on the prowl.

Daygame has always yeilded my best quality. While en route to a coffee date, I noticed a brunette with an amazing ass strutting in front of me. Eez vin eet yay? I learned it smoothest to open phrase in Russian, then switch to English. She gave me a big smile, asked me what I was doing in Kiev, and offered to walk me to the coffee place I already knew about. Throught either extreme luck, or efficiency, I caught up with her again right after my uneventful coffee date. We had a nice instadate, and ended up back at my apartment after a couple hours together.

This brunette had spent the last 2 years working on a cruise ship, and had developed an advanced English vocabulary, as well as a love for westerners. Like many young girls I met in Kiev, she had no luck finding a job in Kiev since finishing her masters at uni, and was simply living at home with her mom, hoping to meet a nice man who would take her away to a better life. Unfortunately, she would not escalate beyond holding hands at my apartment. After all the lengthy drawn out dates with the virgins, I wasn't willing to invest the time again. Not unless she was the total package, and this brunette had the tragic fucked up teeth problem all too common in eastern europe to be a real candidate for wifing up. Plus I only had another few days in town.

Another chick I took on 2 expensive sushi dates. She was 20, 5'11, and taking pole dancing classes. A graphic artist. No kiss after the first date. Should have learned my lesson by now that no kiss on the first date means no sex 95% of the time. Still, I tried to give it another go, but still no kiss, even after the second dinner date. I told her I was leaving at the end of the week, so she should come over after pole dancing, and we can listen to some nice music together. She agreed. When I told her the time & place to meet me, she said she would call me later. This was of course another kiss of death, but it's tough to see these cues while blinded by desire. I never heard from her again.

The last girl I'll mention was, and still is, my Kiev dream girl. I've been with beautiful women in Kiev, but this last one was so intoxicating, she made me re-think my entire life plan. Met her innocently enough at the big park on Shevchenko early on. Her face was pretty, but not what most guys think of when they think of 10's. Natural blonde, which is more rare in Kiev than the bottle variety. What really did it for me was the shape of this girls body, and her personality. I will try to explain. You know when you see a girl in porn, with the most perfect body for you that is possible? It was like her ass was being shown through a permanent wide low angle camera lens at all times, with long model legs, and a tiny barbie waist. She wore sky high heels, which made her ass pop even more. In fact, you could see it from the front. Attached to this ass, was a hyper feminine personality. Irrational and demanding enough to drive me into a fit of rage , while so nurturing that it gave me shivers when she held my arm and kissed my neck .

At 23, this girl has gotten everything she's ever wanted from the men in her life. She knows her power. I've tried distracting myself with this rotating cast of "hot, but not the one". I definitely have one-itis right now. All I can think about is this one chick. I would drop everything to get her acting right, but my only option is to hold frame, and keep fucking these other girls until she comes around. We have out last date tonight at the Dream town water park. Maybe I'll post a final update tomorrow from the airport if there's interest...

CB - great update.

How did you feel about your personal safety compared to last time ?
Did you do any night game or was was all internet/ day game ?

Cool, seems you had lots of fun on your second trip. I had a stalker too - some girls really get crazy after you bang them. Regarding English speaking girls, you are right, they are much more open to foreigners and usually more fun to be with. Linguistic University is the best spot to meet them, however at Shevchenko girls are much hotter.

Quote: (11-14-2013 09:28 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

CB - great update.

How did you feel about your personal safety compared to last time ?
Did you do any night game or was was all internet/ day game ?

Much safer this time around. I picked up some Russian phrases. I felt deaf and dumb before, whereas this time just dumb.

No clubs for me this time. I am in the process of trying to swear off nightlife for good.

Quote: (11-14-2013 10:44 AM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  

Cool, seems you had lots of fun on your second trip. I had a stalker too - some girls really get crazy after you bang them. Regarding English speaking girls, you are right, they are much more open to foreigners and usually more fun to be with. Linguistic University is the best spot to meet them, however at Shevchenko girls are much hotter.

Truth. Sorry you & I missed each other!


So tonight I went to Aquapark with dream girl. Once again, she was 35 minutes late. I was furious at her lack of respect for my time. When she showed up looking like a goddess though, all of my anger melted away. $16 admission each. It was totally worth it as a park. I recommend you check it out if you're in Kiev. They have a bunch of cool water slides and dinosaurs. RAWR.

As a date, the bitch still won't act right. I was kissing her in the jacuzzi, and she said I was being inappropriate. At the end of the aquapark she tried to angle for another free dinner, to which I replied, "no". I told her I am flying out tomorrow. This is it. Do you want to be with me, or what? What do you want?

She looked down submissively and said, "I want everything with you." Ok, great. But after leading her back, she came up with more excuses why she had to go home first. I pushed 10 different ways, but could not get her feet to move. I told her that I want to come back to Ukraine for her, but before all that, you "have to choose it before you loose it." (saw a pimp say this to a ho once on HBO. Dig it.)

Eventually I backturned her, and walked off to the metro sunset alone. I'm not expecting anything. I'm willing to put in work for a dream girl, but there's no way I'm changing my travel plans for a girl I haven't even slept with. Choose the girl who chooses you. My head is still in the clouds, but 10 girls later, she will fade. They always do...

CR, thanks so much for these posts.

Quote: (10-22-2013 02:04 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

One was a 19 y/o brunette barbie doll with huge tits and tiny waist who I had an amazing intellectual connection with, and had never even kissed a man until me. 

This just blows my mind. In the states, such a girl would be showered with so much attention she'd be utterly ruined before she even made it to college. And young girls thinking of family and motherhood rather than sending snapchats from the dancefloor???



The stories I hear coming out of EE sound like a parallel universe.

Yup, sounds like foreign Russian/Ukrainian girls. American-born ones look similar, but god the attitudes are terrible.

I would caution CR... These slavic women look fantastic up until 30-32, then boom hips explode, face implodes.

Its like they turn into a babushka almost overnight

Quote: (11-14-2013 04:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Its like they turn into a babushka almost overnight

I've notice that Slavic women can age hard. Do you think this is due to the rampant smoking in these countries or is it genetic?

Another random Kiev observation;

The women I met all talked up family values like Bill Clinton at the Democratic National Convention. "Family values #1". "Strong family is most important". Funny how almost every single one of these girls were products of broken homes. Most of them had little to no relationship with their dad.

Yet despite this lack of dads, women in Kiev still LOVE men. One girl told me, "a woman is a woman, but men are the best."

I found that Kiev women universally hold a deep respect for all males, while complaining about their behavior at the same time. It's puzzling, and kind of fucked up logically. They will say almost in the same breath. "Ukrainian man drink too much vodka." "Ukranian man is womanizer." Then 10 minutes later, "It is womans job to please the man". Could you imagine ever hearing this in the western world?

Quote: (11-14-2013 04:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

I would caution CR... These slavic women look fantastic up until 30-32, then boom hips explode, face implodes.

I'd say white women in general age the least gracefully of all races. It's just more sensitive skin, and wrinkles faster. I'm not sure Slavs are better or worse than the Germanic or Anglos in this regard.

If somebody can point to a european country that ages better than the rest, I'd love to know which one. (besides Mediterranean olives which don't count)

Quote: (11-14-2013 04:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Its like they turn into a babushka almost overnight

Pro tip as a westerner in Kiev, you can never over use the word "Babooshka" enough. Say it as many times as possible. They find it hilarious.