Quote: (10-01-2013 10:56 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
There isn't a "back and forth" the polls out, right now, over and over show that the American people are strongly not in favor of Obamacare. It is just a very bad piece of legislation.
If you have polls then you should cite where those polls are from and what was the question. You are making me have to repeat in some sense. There was already a vote and Obama care was passed as legislation, and this is better said by HC:
Quote: (10-01-2013 11:20 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Also, no matter your ideology, the renegade faction of the Republican party is certainly to blame for this shutdown. The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land and is already in effect. It passed both houses of Congress during Obama's first term, survived a constitutional challenge at the Supreme Court, and was again validated by Obama's reelection. To now have a debate about its merits as a condition of passing an unrelated budget resolution for spending already approved by the House is yet another stark reminder that the Republican party is being held hostage by an infantile mob of sociopaths. This will no doubt come back to bite them come 2016.
Quote: (10-01-2013 10:56 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
I would guess a week or so. Though it may last until the Oct. 17th deadline of dealing with extending the borrowing limit. It is all just politics.
About politics, mumbo jumbo. A week or two of shut down would be more than just it is all about politics.. A week or two of shut down would have major impacts on the US people and the world perceptions of the US.
Quote: (10-01-2013 10:56 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
That is one thing that I hope the American people realize, even if the liberal media doesn't point it out.
You are using buzz word which appear like you are not really thinking this through and you are just throwing out talking points about "liberal media".. Generally, the media is not liberal.. they use those kinds of buzz words on Fox news that the media is liberal... Also, earlier you used the term socialist health care or something. These ideas are not really thought through but instead are inflammatory buzz words that stifle meaningful communications about these kinds of important topics.
Quote: (10-01-2013 10:56 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
The "govt. will be shut down" yet there will be little to no notice for a large % of Americans. Their day to day activities will not change by the shut down. So maybe the American people will start to realize how much waste our govt. really has and how much more they can cut.
That message about the govt does not do anything to help you would be a message that the anti-government segments including the radical tea party supporters would like to be the take home message. Maybe you would be correct that having the government shut down for two weeks would not be missed? but I seem to doubt it, and the govt serves people, and those people vote.
Quote: (10-01-2013 10:56 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
With the out of control spending, especially since Obama has been president, I really don't know how much longer the US economy/$USD will remain strong. I have seen predictions that the bottom will fall out in 2016-2018. As Bacon posted, there are HUGE concerns for 2023.
Under Obama we borrow 41 cents of every $1 the US Federal Govt. spends. We simply cannot keep this up much longer.
I do not claim to be any pro or anti-Obama;however, your explanation seems to be quite short-sighted and attempting to suggest that Obama is the only politician who has caused the US Govt to spend money over the years. And, why debate about that while under the barrel of a metaphoric gun?
The US government has plenty of money, and the fact that the US govt has been throwing trillions at the banks shows that the US has plenty of money and should have plenty of money to maintain various social programs and services that are essential to government that private sector will not provide so we can live in a civilized society rather than merely having rich people with luxuries and no more american middle class.... do we want to live in a banana republic? I would prefer not to at least during my lifetime. Anyhow the whole situation seems to be a mess, and your comments seem to make the description of the mess more confusing rather than less confusing.
Quote: (10-01-2013 11:30 AM)bacon Wrote:
Look if I was some obese diabetic I would be loving Obamacare since I stand to benefit. But I am not, I am young and healthy and now I have to pay higher insurance to susidize people like that.
Sometimes when we are thinking about what is good for society, we have to think beyond just ourselves in the short-term. Industrialized societies should provide basics, such as medical coverage, and yes, some of us have different opinions about this. Medical care and coverage is not just personal responsibility... it's a social good that would probably also be good for US business to have a medical infrastructure in place that generally covers all people.
Basic for everyone and, yes the rich can still buy extra bonuses (if we care about that)
OH... and BTW Bacon.. .aren't you living in Mexico? Isn't it a sad state of affairs that many Americans feel that they have to travel to Mexico to get better health care? and prescriptions? We should not have to do that. We should be able to get our medial care in the USA.