Mrs, Chocolate, excuse me for being presumptuous, but your position is that of every single girl that I have ever known. And every single one of those girls responded best to skillful asshole behavior. I would bet my left nut that you are no different.

Only difference between and asshole and a player is the level of attraction. Just how if an ugly guy asks you something randomly on the street he's a weirdo but if handsome suave guy asks you something he's charming.

Girls dont go out with assholes, thats true. The guys their with become assholes after the attraction is gone.

Quote: (04-09-2011 11:12 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Mrs, Chocolate, excuse me for being presumptuous, but your position is that of every single girl that I have ever known. And every single one of those girls responded best to skillful asshole behavior. I would bet my left nut that you are no different.

It's okay, I understand you.
The problem is... the asshole disgised in Mr. Nice knows what he needs to say when and how (I don't call this game. IMO, gaming a girl does not mean lie to her. The guy has b*** enough to convince someone to do what he wants casually). Mr Nice doesn't. He mumbles things, says inapropriate coments. And girls tend to be less patience to Mr. Nice due Mr. Asshole which is the completely Asshole with no disguises.
So no, nice girls does not want the assholes. In the same way men whatever situation does not want a crazy bitch telling them what to do even though for a night stand.

Quote: (04-09-2011 04:44 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Only difference between and asshole and a player is the level of attraction.

Nope. The main difference here is knowing (and showing) your value. It is not limited to attraction - may be fame, money and so on. And it makes a difference between a dude who doesn't care because he is internally secure, and a dude who doesn't care because he is insecure, and tries to hide his insecurities behind rudeness. Think male bitch shield.

Quote: (04-10-2011 05:11 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Think male bitch shield.

I actually like the way you put that.

So would it be safe to say that the main difference between an asshole and a player is the act of lashing out? A player has the confidence to not need to lash out, assholes are insecure so they act out to deflect?

Quote: (04-10-2011 03:03 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Quote: (04-09-2011 11:12 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Mrs, Chocolate, excuse me for being presumptuous, but your position is that of every single girl that I have ever known. And every single one of those girls responded best to skillful asshole behavior. I would bet my left nut that you are no different.

It's okay, I understand you.
The problem is... the asshole disgised in Mr. Nice knows what he needs to say when and how (I don't call this game. IMO, gaming a girl does not mean lie to her. The guy has b*** enough to convince someone to do what he wants casually). Mr Nice doesn't. He mumbles things, says inapropriate coments. And girls tend to be less patience to Mr. Nice due Mr. Asshole which is the completely Asshole with no disguises.
So no, nice girls does not want the assholes. In the same way men whatever situation does not want a crazy bitch telling them what to do even though for a night stand.

Talk all you want, the notches don't lie.

Not me Gmac. I'm not a notch girl. BUT It does not mean that I'm perfect...
Men may have results lying to girls.T.. but I think there is another way to get things.

Quote: (04-06-2011 05:33 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I used to be the guy I just described. I'd go after fat girls because they were easier and justified it by saying I like a thick girl because I'm a big guy. I kept it to myself that I never really enjoyed having sex with them.

Hear, hear! I actually enjoyed blasting inside a fat lizard. I actually tried out a slim chick (135 pounds) and I had a miserable time with sex. It used to hurt and everywhere I'd roll, she'd complain about me crushing something.

However since I came back from the Dominican Republic, I've phased out fat women from the picture. I'm not even attracted to them anymore, I find their gluttony a serious character flaw. Before I would actually get hard at some that were sort of curvy and so far, I've cut off nearly ALL of my fat lizards save for one..my droughts are longer but fcuk it, I'm going for quality now..

I don't know about you guys, but every now and then I come across a fat girl that I just want to bang the irrational shit out of. It turns me on that she's so thankful to be getting fucked by a guy she didn't think would give her the time of day.

Anyone else like that?

No? I'm the only one? What's the deal? - Steve Zissou

Quote: (04-11-2011 02:46 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Not me Gmac. I'm not a notch girl. BUT It does not mean that I'm perfect...
Men may have results lying to girls.T.. but I think there is another way to get things.

I didn't say you were. What I said was the asshole routine is a proven way to get with women. The fact that it works on other women basically destroys your argument.

Anyway... off topic.

Quote: (04-10-2011 03:03 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Quote: (04-09-2011 11:12 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Mrs, Chocolate, excuse me for being presumptuous, but your position is that of every single girl that I have ever known. And every single one of those girls responded best to skillful asshole behavior. I would bet my left nut that you are no different.

It's okay, I understand you.
The problem is... the asshole disgised in Mr. Nice knows what he needs to say when and how (I don't call this game. IMO, gaming a girl does not mean lie to her. The guy has b*** enough to convince someone to do what he wants casually). Mr Nice doesn't. He mumbles things, says inapropriate coments. And girls tend to be less patience to Mr. Nice due Mr. Asshole which is the completely Asshole with no disguises.
So no, nice girls does not want the assholes. In the same way men whatever situation does not want a crazy bitch telling them what to do even though for a night stand.

I don't really understand your broken english here. But, from the gist of it, I think we have different interpretations of asshole. Being an asshole does not necessarily mean saying cruel things to a girl, or lying to her. Insensitive, maybe. But it's mostly just indifference.

For example, when MiXX said to you to post your booty in a g-string, do you think he was being an asshole? I'm guess you would not, so here we can see the translation difficulties going on. MiXX was being an asshole in the way us players would define it, which is saying things which puts the man's needs first and glibly dismiss whatever concerns the girl has.

Considering you didn't immediately start insulting MiXX and storm off the thread, I'd say asshole game works on you just like every other warm blooded female. Don't worry, it means you have a normal working libido.


Now... back on topic!


The rationalization hamster exists in all women regardless of their weight size, so I'm pretty sure there is no cure for fat chicks.

Still, I try to find such a cure in the vain hope of curing gluttony. Here is one such attempt:

Fatty: OMG ur so cute! (she's drunk)
Me: Thanks...
Fatty: Wow u must get laid all the time! non-stop!
Me: (smiles)
Fatty: (leans close to me) *starts asking 100 questions*
Me: You know what would help me answer your questions...?
Fatty: Oh tell me!
Me: If you lost a little weight...

*fatty breaks down, sobs uncontrollably*

Me: hey, don't worry... i'm sure you pass someone's boner test.
Fatty: (stops crying immediately) omg... that's awesome.
Me: anyways i'm going over somewhere else



i'm a believer in tough love

This asshole trend seems like an epidimic unto itself. Sure it get's ya laid, but I think it's causing a bigger problem.

Women are self conscious creatures; very judgemental of themselves. If a guy seems ok with her flaws (nice guy), she doesn't respect him. She's not ok with her own flaws and can't understand why he is. She's not attracted to that.

If a guy is an asshole right out of the gate, in some twisted fucked up way that things have become, she's attracted to his 'realistic' response. She feels that her recognition of her flaws is genuine, and his asshole-ish behavior means he's genuine too.

Most women will always question their attractiveness (no matter how beautiful), even if only to themsleves. The asshole seems to make her feel better because (in her mind) he is more real.

I think women can't be happy with and aren't attracted to nice guys (even Alphas) because those guys can be ok with the things that a woman can't be ok with about her own self. That feels unnatural to her, and is unattractive to women.

Roosh you need to post Dueyz explanation of asshole attractiveness. Pure genius.

Quote: (04-12-2011 02:34 AM)Dueyz Wrote:  

This asshole trend seems like an epidimic unto itself. Sure it get's ya laid, but I think it's causing a bigger problem.

Women are self conscious creatures; very judgemental of themselves. If a guy seems ok with her flaws (nice guy), she doesn't respect him. She's not ok with her own flaws and can't understand why he is. She's not attracted to that.

If a guy is an asshole right out of the gate, in some twisted fucked up way that things have become, she's attracted to his 'realistic' response. She feels that her recognition of her flaws is genuine, and his asshole-ish behavior means he's genuine too.

Most women will always question their attractiveness (no matter how beautiful), even if only to themsleves. The asshole seems to make her feel better because (in her mind) he is more real.

I think women can't be happy with and aren't attracted to nice guys (even Alphas) because those guys can be ok with the things that a woman can't be ok with about her own self. That feels unnatural to her, and is unattractive to women.

Women have to earn my respect. 99.99999% never do. There's also a difference (as has been discussed) between a true asshole and assholery (which is faked and builds attraction). This has been beaten to death... women like assholes because it is a huge DHV and women need to be called out on their shit in order to snap back to reality. Nice guys just get walked over because the woman is in control... and when women are in control they abuse the shit out of it.

Quote: (04-12-2011 07:50 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

Quote: (04-12-2011 02:34 AM)Dueyz Wrote:  

This asshole trend seems like an epidimic unto itself. Sure it get's ya laid, but I think it's causing a bigger problem.

Women are self conscious creatures; very judgemental of themselves. If a guy seems ok with her flaws (nice guy), she doesn't respect him. She's not ok with her own flaws and can't understand why he is. She's not attracted to that.

If a guy is an asshole right out of the gate, in some twisted fucked up way that things have become, she's attracted to his 'realistic' response. She feels that her recognition of her flaws is genuine, and his asshole-ish behavior means he's genuine too.

Most women will always question their attractiveness (no matter how beautiful), even if only to themsleves. The asshole seems to make her feel better because (in her mind) he is more real.

I think women can't be happy with and aren't attracted to nice guys (even Alphas) because those guys can be ok with the things that a woman can't be ok with about her own self. That feels unnatural to her, and is unattractive to women.

Women have to earn my respect. 99.99999% never do. There's also a difference (as has been discussed) between a true asshole and assholery (which is faked and builds attraction). This has been beaten to death... women like assholes because it is a huge DHV and women need to be called out on their shit in order to snap back to reality. Nice guys just get walked over because the woman is in control... and when women are in control they abuse the shit out of it.

I don't disagree, although I was making a slightly different point here. I was touching base on a woman's initial attraction, and what a shame it is that so many can only be attracted to an asshole.

BTW...being an asshole and acting like an asshole are only 2 seperate things to you and those who know you well. To everyone else, there is no difference.

I think what you're describing here is after the initial attraction, and into the interaction stage. And I don't disagree about your points there.

@gmac, @samsau and @hydro: we can discuss this off topic...
In the other thread I was joking around like Mixx, it was not a normal answer.

Baaack to the topic!

Quote: (04-12-2011 02:34 AM)Dueyz Wrote:  

Women are self conscious creatures; very judgemental of themselves. If a guy seems ok with her flaws (nice guy), she doesn't respect him. She's not ok with her own flaws and can't understand why he is. She's not attracted to that.

I disagree here. Being ok with each other flaws is basically a requirement for any successful relationship. There are pretty much no other options. "Yes, you do look like that, but I love you anyway" is something essential in the relationship.

What you probably meant was not just being ok with her flaws, but pretending/saying there are no flaws. Like telling the fat girl that she is skinny. This has nothing to do with "nice guy", it is just an obvious lie, and it is stupid. Why would you want a partner who'd always tell you what kind of great guy you are, no matter what you do? You can get the same from a fucking iPhone app!

The opposite, however, is also stupid. Why would you want a partner who'd constantly remind you of your flaws? Even if they are true, how many times a day would you like to listen that you need to eat better/work out more/drink less/whatever? As you said it yourself, most of us are familiar with our flaws, we do not need anyone to remind us about them.

Personally I found "negging" to be only useful in cases when your value is challenged. It is not something you start the conversation with. It is not something you use on a girl who doesn't want to go out with you and is sincere and open about it without attempting to "put you down". It is your counter-weapon to use against those who try to challenge your value, i.e. for cases like "I only go out with guys who are men enough to handle me; are you?" you reply with something "I bench press only 170, so I probably cannot handle you (at your current weight)".

What is important here is that this is not about flaws at all. It is about value balance. What she essentially said was "I think my value is higher than yours because of xxx", and you countered with "No, it is not because of yyy", bringing the balance back. At some point either one of you agrees with proposed balance, or you eject (or get ejected) from the conversation.

Being a "nice guy" is, in essence, allowing the woman to artificially lower your value.

Quote: (04-06-2011 05:33 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Blame other men. Its our own brothers that created the wave that left these wales on our beaches.

How it used to work was that being fat was bad. If you were fat, you were bad. You were damaged goods. If you couldnt / didnt want to change you accepted your place and took what you could get.

Whats happened lately is he pussification of boys as they become modern men, the beta pandemic. I think I can speak well on this because I used to be one of them, hard into too. As a very beta male the idea of any interaction with a female was like climbing everest, her looks were irrelevant. This made you almost never start a conversation or pursue the pussy you wanted.

This turns into you only getting what others have left behind. Betas got fat/ugly girls. Think how many times you see a beta hipster with some beast. He's not a bad looking guy, and she looks like garbage in a skirt.

What happened was after so many times of only getting fat uggos those guys began to justify it. This is where the pet terms came out. Chubby. BBW. Curvy (used to describe a girl with on curve, not many). Betas justified their sexual ultimatum of taking the leftovers and by doing so they uplifted these bottom of the barrel bitches and made it seem as if they had some kind of redeeming quality.

Whats worse is that they made that psuedo-quality the exact thing that should make them worth less then an average girl!

I used to be the guy I just described. I'd go after fat girls because they were easier and justified it by saying I like a thick girl because I'm a big guy. I kept it to myself that I never really enjoyed having sex with them.

I agree, we are half to blame for the sorry, fat state of women. It doesn't help when we lower our standards and coin cute terms like 'phat'. Pathetic.

My rant from the Asian booty thread (sounds a lot like Tenspeaks, unintentional):

It's an embarrassing that we celebrate 'junk in the trunk'. I have always had an unwavering rejection to this concept.

The early 2000s era of celebrating the J-Lo ass and Beyonce booty set a terrible precedence. Fat asses all across NA became proud of their bodies instead getting on the treadmill. The benchmark for what is acceptable for NA women has fallen so fuckin low in my opinion. We're at fault for that.

I get it though. You how some of those lifers go to a federal pen, start looking at each other over time and then started droppin the soap in the shower. That's what happened to the NA male. Rejected, starved for sex and surrounded by fatties, until those fat asses actually became appealing to him (ya, those asian girls are curvy not fat, I might have me some of that flabby ass, I like the way it jiggles, it turns me on). Sad state of affairs.

REJECT FUCKIN FAT ASSED WOMEN, GUYS. Have some fuckin standards, and we'll all benefit. I would reject those asian lard asses so fast and tell them to hit the treadmill or get some lipo.

The end of the world is surely coming, when we reject that perfect blonde ass because she looks 'adolescent'. The average NA male is getting worked like never before.

On experience, my advise is if a fat chick is going to a gym to "signal" that she is going to lose weight... don't buy it. DEMAND the goods before payment!

In most case: once fat, always fat.

Quote: (04-14-2011 01:41 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

My rant from the Asian booty thread (sounds a lot like Tenspeaks, unintentional):

It's an embarrassing that we celebrate 'junk in the trunk'. I have always had an unwavering rejection to this concept.

The early 2000s era of celebrating the J-Lo ass and Beyonce booty set a terrible precedence. Fat asses all across NA became proud of their bodies instead getting on the treadmill. The benchmark for what is acceptable for NA women has fallen so fuckin low in my opinion. We're at fault for that.

I get it though. You how some of those lifers go to a federal pen, start looking at each other over time and then started droppin the soap in the shower. That's what happened to the NA male. Rejected, starved for sex and surrounded by fatties, until those fat asses actually became appealing to him (ya, those asian girls are curvy not fat, I might have me some of that flabby ass, I like the way it jiggles, it turns me on). Sad state of affairs.

REJECT FUCKIN FAT ASSED WOMEN, GUYS. Have some fuckin standards, and we'll all benefit. I would reject those asian lard asses so fast and tell them to hit the treadmill or get some lipo.

The end of the world is surely coming, when we reject that perfect blonde ass because she looks 'adolescent'. The average NA male is getting worked like never before.

This is my view too. Never have understood the "junk in the trunk" attraction. All I know is that in the US (I'm not from the US) it is believed that black men like women with big asses. Not that I would know, but I'm guessing this phenomenon is hugely exagerated by the few hetero feminists, who would just LOVE to belive that beauty is mostly a social construct and that the only reason they themselves are not regarded as hot is because evil corporations and media groups conspire to promote a different ideal.

In any event, even if there is some truth in the black men love big asses meme there's a world of difference between Beyonce having a big ass and Oprah having a big ass. Without discussing waist:hip ratio and other factors it is giving women who have a big ass because they are big everywhere a comically distorted view of themselves and their sexual market value.

Quote: (04-14-2011 02:16 PM)manilaguy Wrote:  

On experience, my advise is if a fat chick is going to a gym to "signal" that she is going to lose weight... don't buy it. DEMAND the goods before payment!

In most case: once fat, always fat.

The worst thing related to this is the "I used to be skinny and I'm working on getting that way again!"

You ask for proof and she'll pull out a picture from freshman year of HIGH SCHOOL

Bitch, GTFO

Date #3 this week is a girl that (based on the pictures) is a little chubby. I went against my better judgment and went along with it. We'll see early on if she's DTF and passes the boner test... if not -- I may give her an asshole line she'll never forget. Heading out to meet this one tonight.

Quote: (04-14-2011 04:35 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Quote: (04-14-2011 02:16 PM)manilaguy Wrote:  

On experience, my advise is if a fat chick is going to a gym to "signal" that she is going to lose weight... don't buy it. DEMAND the goods before payment!

In most case: once fat, always fat.

The worst thing related to this is the "I used to be skinny and I'm working on getting that way again!"

You ask for proof and she'll pull out a picture from freshman year of HIGH SCHOOL

Bitch, GTFO

never heard that one before

Fail. This 21yo chick had the huge flabby arms and was a good 30 lbs overweight. I left after 20 minutes after taking some advice from The Rookie aka "Yeah this just isn't working out." If you follow me on twitter you know that some crazy ass shit went down afterwards, but let's just say the whale from last night's date got denied hard.