They dig in as well. She may well ignore what she feels is an incomplete answer to a tricky question she asks you and just plough on regardless.

Generally a lot of what slavic girls say are complete lies. The key is not to be bothered not even show that you get their lies. It is the same situation as the Balkan half truths. You just hide 50% of information and let her imagine the rest.

Talking of calling them out...I picked up a Russian girl at the airport on Tuesday who had flown in to see me. I noticed she had a love bite on her neck poorly hidden by make up but I didn't say anything. A couple days later we were in Antibes having lunch and she was telling me about how since she had met me she hadn't been with anyone else as I had had such an effect on her blah blah blah. So I asked her how she happened to have a love bite on her neck? I took a swig of my Magner's Cider and waited for a reply. Quick as anything she said 'oh that bruise, I got it from playing the violin'. I spat my cider all over the pub floor, it was such a cultured yet obviously bullshit excuse that I couldn't help but laugh.

Slavic women lie to everyone their relatives, their husbands even to their kids. It is useless to call them out better to have a clue of what is going on and not believe what they say especially the positive words about you. They are masters in flattering and boosting male egos to get what they want.

Quote: (06-30-2013 03:14 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Slavic women lie to everyone their relatives, their husbands even to their kids. It is useless to call them out better to have a clue of what is going on and not believe what they say especially the positive words about you. They are masters in flattering and boosting male egos to get what they want.

i'm curious. Is it because of the way they live that they lie? is it taught?

is it the pretty looks and having a survivalist mentality in a poor country that makes them this way?

Quote: (06-30-2013 05:06 PM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

Quote: (06-30-2013 03:14 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Slavic women lie to everyone their relatives, their husbands even to their kids. It is useless to call them out better to have a clue of what is going on and not believe what they say especially the positive words about you. They are masters in flattering and boosting male egos to get what they want.

i'm curious. Is it because of the way they live that they lie? is it taught?

is it the pretty looks and having a survivalist mentality in a poor country that makes them this way?

They may not be lying, they may be very honest, just not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth...





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Quote: (06-30-2013 05:34 PM)pozdnyshev Wrote:  

They may not be lying, they may be very honest, just not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth....

+1. I find that by and large, slavic women (and especially russian) are maybe not faithful, but very loyal. And passionate and emotional. Very emotional, much more so than americans or europeans, who look at life in a logical fashion. I wrote it already, IMO these emotions, combined with their belief in fate and tragedy, make the slavic women wonderful lovers...and quite easy to convince to follow the passion of the moment. The fact that some of my girls have boyfriends on the side doesn't disturb me ..... more important is to be with a girl viewing you as someone she really wants to be with, have some fun with, ect, and not with a girl viewing you as a big fat wallet for whom she occasionally must spread her legs. The fact that she is maybe not faithful is for me irrelevant. I am myself also rather loyal and emotional, but not faithful.

Quote: (06-30-2013 10:21 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

So I asked her how she happened to have a love bite on her neck? I took a swig of my Magner's Cider and waited for a reply. Quick as anything she said 'oh that bruise, I got it from playing the violin'. I spat my cider all over the pub floor, it was such a cultured yet obviously bullshit excuse that I couldn't help but laugh.

+1. Better take it with humour and indulgence. And anyway it is unfair to require for a girl a quality (faithfulness) that we are unable to apply to ourselves !!

These girls are driving me absolutely nuts. I believe it was Roosh who mentioned at some point that just when you think you have figured things out you are thrown a curveball and have to start over.

We've been experimenting with double dates here. My buddy and I and two girls that are friends. It seems to be most effective if one girl is more wild than the other, as they like to keep up with each other. Though I did however have one girl tell me that her and her friend are not the same, in response to why she doesn't kiss as fast as her friend.

Also, last time I was here in October I never heard these two statements: 1) I don't kiss guys I just met, and 2) I don't go to an apartment of guys I just met. Yet we are hearing that from many different girls this time. We've still been kissing and bringing girls back here and there so it's not exclusive, just we never heard that phrase used ever much less repeatedly.

I still keep chugging through though, because of the quality. Also once I think you do break through the dating phase they become normal. At least that's the case with the one I've been dating for a while.

Question - Has anyone taken a trip with a girl they met in Ukraine? One of our sets of double girls wants to go with us to Lviv for two nights. Does that mean they are down to bang?

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:09 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Question - Has anyone taken a trip with a girl they met in Ukraine? One of our sets of double girls wants to go with us to Lviv for two nights. Does that mean they are down to bang?

No, it just means they will take a free trip. I wouldn't take them anywhere unless I already had sex with them.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:12 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:09 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Question - Has anyone taken a trip with a girl they met in Ukraine? One of our sets of double girls wants to go with us to Lviv for two nights. Does that mean they are down to bang?

No, it just means they will take a free trip. I wouldn't take them anywhere unless I already had sex with them.

Or unless there is an EXPLICIT understanding that sex will occur.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:09 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Question - Has anyone taken a trip with a girl they met in Ukraine? One of our sets of double girls wants to go with us to Lviv for two nights. Does that mean they are down to bang?

Yes. They perfectly know that they'll have somehow to pay for the trip. It's implicitly part of the deal.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:12 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:09 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Question - Has anyone taken a trip with a girl they met in Ukraine? One of our sets of double girls wants to go with us to Lviv for two nights. Does that mean they are down to bang?

No, it just means they will take a free trip. I wouldn't take them anywhere unless I already had sex with them.

Or unless there is an EXPLICIT understanding that sex will occur.

True, and if one were to take a trip prior to sex it would be in their best interest to make it extremely clear. For me, I wouldn't even contemplate it before sex.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:18 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:09 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Question - Has anyone taken a trip with a girl they met in Ukraine? One of our sets of double girls wants to go with us to Lviv for two nights. Does that mean they are down to bang?

Yes. They perfectly know that they'll have somehow to pay for the trip. It's implicitly part of the deal.

My ex was given a trip to Turkey for a couple of weeks with no sex. He wanted but for her it was just friends. I believe she didn't banged the guy since we were friends at the time and she told me about some other dudes she was intimate with.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:20 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:18 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:09 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Question - Has anyone taken a trip with a girl they met in Ukraine? One of our sets of double girls wants to go with us to Lviv for two nights. Does that mean they are down to bang?

Yes. They perfectly know that they'll have somehow to pay for the trip. It's implicitly part of the deal.

My ex was given a trip to Turkey for a couple of weeks with no sex. He wanted but for her it was just friends. No, I don't believe she banged the guy since we were friends at the time and she told me about some other dudes she was intimate with.

Any "player" with a bit of intuition and half a brain knows if sex will be on the menu. Intuition is your best weapon. However many guys fail miserably at that.

No need to be uncouth and make it "extremely clear". If the girl has sent the right signals, it's largely enough. To be too explicit about it reveals a lack of confidence and a good dose of boorishness IMO.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:33 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Any "player" with a bit of intuition and half a brain knows if sex will be on the menu. Intuition is your best weapon. However many guys fail miserably at that.

No need to be uncouth and make it "extremely clear". If the girl has sent the right signals, it's largely enough.

Well, we don't really know what has happened with them as of right now. We are talking in generalities of course.

You don't have to come out and say "we must have the sex if we take the trip."

There are other ways to making it clear. Again, we really don't know what has happened between them as of right now. If nothing physical has taken place, then it is a crap shoot.

These women will play you. I have seen many stories of guys going over there and taking women on trips to only get nothing from them.

They were being a gentleman. That also is a code word for not making your intentions extremely clear.

As far as I am concerned, if they are willing to put out on a trip they better be willing to put out before a trip, otherwise no trip.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:37 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

These women will play you. I have seen many stories of guys going over there and taking women on trips to only get nothing from them.

It's very easy to see if a woman is with you because she likes you as person and she really wants to be with you, or because she sees some financial benefits to do so. It's the basics of the game.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:50 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:37 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

These women will play you. I have seen many stories of guys going over there and taking women on trips to only get nothing from them.

It's very easy to see if a woman is with you because she likes you as person and she really wants to be with you, or because she sees some financial benefits to do so. It's the basics of the game.

Yet you see many guys failing to have sex with women that were attracted to them.

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:56 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Yet you see many guys failing to have sex with women that were attracted to them.

You are talking about pure inaptitude and hopeless incompetence here. This, I hope, doesn't concern most of the guys posting on this forum.

Quote: (07-01-2013 09:06 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2013 08:56 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Yet you see many guys failing to have sex with women that were attracted to them.

You are talking about pure inaptitude and hopeless incompetence here. This, I hope, doesn't concern most of the guys posting on this forum.

I must be hopeless because I lost bangs before and I am sure I will lose some in the future. Sometimes things just don't work out and are outside of our control.

Hell, women have been known to change their minds for the craziest of reasons.

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This, I hope, doesn't concern most of the guys posting on this forum.

No need to be judgemental about the guys here. We all have different levels of game, from beginner to advanced. This is not an "advanced" forum only. Everywhere is free to participate and learn.

Quote: (07-01-2013 09:37 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

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This, I hope, doesn't concern most of the guys posting on this forum.

No need to be judgemental about the guys here. We all have different levels of game, from beginner to advanced. This is not an "advanced" forum only. Everywhere is free to participate and learn.

I've been at this kind of thing for a long time, and one of the things that frustrates me most about it is missing signals, and it still happens more than it should, especially with women quite a bit younger than me. I've missed out on quite a few bangs because I was too slow on the uptake. Even the strongest players will have weak areas in their game. This is one of mine.

Quote: (07-01-2013 09:37 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

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This, I hope, doesn't concern most of the guys posting on this forum.

No need to be judgemental about the guys here. We all have different levels of game, from beginner to advanced. This is not an "advanced" forum only. Everywhere is free to participate and learn.

I did not intend to be judgemental or condescending.

Anyway, to close this parenthesis with wwt and to answer to Slubu, if your target girl is not giving you any good vibe at all, you are probably wasting your time. Write her off, move on. It's as simple as that. But if she wants to go on a trip with you, it's very probably that sex is on the menu. Be self-confident. It is important to change your frame of mind when dealing with slavic girls, otherwise you will constantly be second-guessing yourself and display the kind of Western uncertainty that they neither understand nor respect.

Of course it means they will fuck.

If you go on a trip with Ukrainian girls it means with almost absolute certainty they will spread their legs, even if they don't want to, they will feel obliged.

Quote: (07-01-2013 10:39 AM)Pierre Wrote:  

Of course it means they will fuck.

If you go on a trip with Ukrainian girls it means with almost absolute certainty they will spread their legs, even if they don't want to, they will feel obliged.

Yet people here are reporting the opposite.