I think many white people fearful of the white race dying out should look to Latin America. Depending on the country whites are overwhelmingly the minority down south. However, from my experience it is still a situation where whites(europeans) are often dating one another.

Quote: (06-19-2013 11:47 PM)bacon Wrote:  

I think many white people fearful of the white race dying out should look to Latin America. Depending on the country whites are overwhelmingly the minority down south. However, from my experience it is still a situation where whites(europeans) are often dating one another.

There are tens of millions of white people in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. And millions still in Columbia, Chile and a few others. You're making the classic American assumption that South America looks like some mestizo village in Mexico. It doesn't.

In only a a couple of countries in South America is the whites being "overwhelmingly the minority" thing true. Ecuador springs to mind. Central America is a bit different, but there are still millions of white Mexicans. Americans need to stop worrying about the 'white race dying'. America will almost definitely remain majority white - just those white people might have a Spanish surname, just like their counterparts in Spain. Or, in the case of many white South Americans - an Italian one.

I could be wrong however, as it does seem to be overwhelmingly the poor mestizo types who come into the States. Primarily from Mexico for obvious reasons. I don't think Americans would mind if they had a mass influx of Argentinians. Of course, this would never be said out loud as it isn't PC.

Quote: (06-20-2013 08:15 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Quote: (06-19-2013 11:47 PM)bacon Wrote:  

I think many white people fearful of the white race dying out should look to Latin America. Depending on the country whites are overwhelmingly the minority down south. However, from my experience it is still a situation where whites(europeans) are often dating one another.

There are tens of millions of white people in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. And millions still in Columbia, Chile and a few others. You're making the classic American assumption that South America looks like some mestizo village in Mexico. It doesn't.

In only a a couple of countries in South America is the whites being "overwhelmingly the minority" thing true. Ecuador springs to mind. Central America is a bit different, but there are still millions of white Mexicans. Americans need to stop worrying about the 'white race dying'. America will almost definitely remain majority white - just those white people might have a Spanish surname, just like their counterparts in Spain. Or, in the case of many white South Americans - an Italian one.

I could be wrong however, as it does seem to be overwhelmingly the poor mestizo types who come into the States. Primarily from Mexico for obvious reasons. I don't think Americans would mind if they had a mass influx of Argentinians. Of course, this would never be said out loud as it isn't PC.

Teed, I am sure there would still be a lot of Americans (especially conservatives) against a mass influx of Argentinians because they would mostly like vote lefty and bring their Latin American culture with them.

America has a love-hate relationship with respect to immigrants (mostly a hate). Remember, there was a time when America had mostly white immigration, and Congress eventually voted to essentially stop net immigration from Europe in 1924. If Americans had wanted, they could have had a 95%+ white country today if they had kept the flood gates open til today. Think about that.

As for Mexicans & other Hispanics and who is considered white, in America we have a one drop rule. I am Mexican and my racial makeup is as follows: I am 7/8 Spanish and 1/8 Central-American Indian (one of my great-grandparents was full Indian) and I DO NOT IDENTIFY AS WHITE and am counted as non-white on the census. I also speak Spanish & English fluently.

That said, I do understand the concerns that non-Hispanic whites have about having too much foreign immigration. It does dilute the culture if unchecked and does cause problems.

Quote: (06-20-2013 08:15 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Quote: (06-19-2013 11:47 PM)bacon Wrote:  

I think many white people fearful of the white race dying out should look to Latin America. Depending on the country whites are overwhelmingly the minority down south. However, from my experience it is still a situation where whites(europeans) are often dating one another.

There are tens of millions of white people in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. And millions still in Columbia, Chile and a few others. You're making the classic American assumption that South America looks like some mestizo village in Mexico. It doesn't.

In only a a couple of countries in South America is the whites being "overwhelmingly the minority" thing true. Ecuador springs to mind. Central America is a bit different, but there are still millions of white Mexicans. Americans need to stop worrying about the 'white race dying'. America will almost definitely remain majority white - just those white people might have a Spanish surname, just like their counterparts in Spain. Or, in the case of many white South Americans - an Italian one.

I could be wrong however, as it does seem to be overwhelmingly the poor mestizo types who come into the States. Primarily from Mexico for obvious reasons. I don't think Americans would mind if they had a mass influx of Argentinians. Of course, this would never be said out loud as it isn't PC.

Teedub I am not making this statement from the viewpoint of a Yank who has never been to Latin America. Ive lived (4 years in Mexico and South America combined) and travelled to many countries here. I dont think I am the authority on all things Latin America but my comment was made based off my experience here and from what I have observed. I think Argentina especially is an outlier because they basically commited genocide on all of the natives there so it is basically a European country ethnically. True there are millions of europeans in Mexico maybe 15% of a 100 million population but they are still the minority here(although the demographics can vary depending on the state). My statement was made to provide perspective as someone who lives in a country where europeans are the minority and observes a large amount of coupling and marrying based off of race.

Texas:

Argentina, as noted in bacon's post above is basically a European country. So they wouldn't bring 'Lain American' culture with them, as there isn't one uniform culture to begin with. Regarding what you said about racial makeup, the one drop rule is pretty retarded. In England with those ratios, in fact, anywhere else I think, you'd be white. I mean, do you look Caucasian, or Amerindian? What do you identify as, because 'Hispanic' isn't a race. Do you see yourself as a mestizo?

Bacon:

Sorry mate, I was being presumptuous and I apologize.

I don't think there is nothing wrong with wanting to be apart of a group. As for any who paint white Caucasian people with a broad stroke you need to be more educated. Vice versa painting blacks,,,, I had a professor from the Dominican Republic and he did not associate himself with the black Americans who are descendants from slaves. Yes some bozo will call him black, while he refers to himself as a Latino. The Jews, Italians, Greeks etc etc are for this sake are mostly white and their student unions organize freely. Yet when an anglophone white person wants to organize he's considered a racist or what have you.

Any organized student union or group that preaches hate for "the other" should be banned. If one person wants to hang out with people he feels a bond with, great. Just as long as they aren't burdens on society.

Quote: (06-20-2013 10:00 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Texas:

Argentina, as noted in bacon's post above is basically a European country. So they wouldn't bring 'Lain American' culture with them, as there isn't one uniform culture to begin with. Regarding what you said about racial makeup, the one drop rule is pretty retarded. In England with those ratios, in fact, anywhere else I think, you'd be white. I mean, do you look Caucasian, or Amerindian? What do you identify as, because 'Hispanic' isn't a race. Do you see yourself as a mestizo?

Trust me, bro, the white conservatives would NOT want mass immigration of Argentinians. I interact with white conservatives pretty often, and they view everyone down south as lefty, Latin Americans. If you don't believe me, then come visit the Midwest or the South of the USA and see what opinion you come away with.

I look like an Italian or Greek dude, but again my last name is Hispanic, so I am always classified as Hispanic. The one drop rule is what it is. It is as American as apple pie. I didn't even realize that that rule wasn't common place until I traveled outside of America.

As for what I see myself as, I see myself as non-white because I am mestizo, even if only slightly. I also identify with Mexicans more than anybody else to be honest. I grew up in a Mexican-American neighborhood in California and most of the people who I knew were Mexican or Mexican-American growing up.

Quote: (06-20-2013 10:13 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

Trust me, bro, the white conservatives would NOT want mass immigration of Argentinians.

Haha no I believe you, but my point is that white conservatives in America probably don't realize how white (racially) and European (culturally) a lot of Latin America is. A lot of large white nationalist groups operate in Argentina and Uruguay. That would really screw with the head of the WASP conservative types you describe!

Quote: (06-19-2013 05:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (06-19-2013 05:43 PM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Stop talking about culture. This has nothing to do with culture.

It is a very simple issue:

Minorities organizing on the basis of race = socially conscious and progressive. YAY!!!!

White people organizing on the basis of race = Ku Klux Klan as a previous poster neatly put it. BOOO!!!

It's because we have no history of whites organizing around their race without it being hate driven. Blacks organized around their race and it produced Martin Luther King. Whites organized around their race and it produced Hitler.

Until there are visible examples of whites organizing around their race that is entirely divorced from neo-nazism then it will continue to be stigmatized. Thank the Klan and Nazis for giving white racial consciousness/organization a bad name.

It's not all so bad when whites organize themselves about their race there are also good results, for example, the white girls that everybody like so much, even over those of their own race. Think about Nigeria, Kenya, Angola... then think about Ukraine, Hungary, Romania... (Kidding).

No seriously, excuse me sir, what do we get when blacks organize themselves around their race? South Africa, Liberia, Zimbawe, Detroit, etc.











What do we get when asians organize themselves around their race?





And we could go say the same about religions (crusades, holly war, Indian-Pakistani war), countries (insert any ware here), social classes (soviet revolution, french revolution...), etc.

Should we stop allowing people to unite with their peers because of that? I can't believe such a distinguished member of this forum is using the very same speech that feminazis use against the manosphere: It's good when hamsters come together to fight for their rights but it's bad when men do it because when they've done it brought opression to women. Either we all fuck or we will throw the bitch to the river.

On the other hand, let's be fair, it's not about racism, it's about MONEY. If you're rich no matter if you're a black, asian, middle eastern, from the Indian Subcontinent or from hell, you'll have read carpet treatment wherever you go. Now let's take three guys, from working class background, a redneck, a hispanic guy from LA, and a black guy from Atlanta with a similar economical background: unemployment, alcohol and drugs abuse, gangs; who do you think will have easier way to college, guess who will not get any social wellfare, access to university, scholarships, affirmative action, etc...

Nowadays being non-white in some countries like UK or France is a priviledge that open you lots of doors that would be close to a caucasian in the same situation. Even when you're opening a girl, at least here in Europe, if you're from another race you can use the joker: Are you racist? and she will feel so guilty and ashamed that she will let you continue gaming her even if she is not genuinely interested in you lol (And I know this trick because I've eyewitnessed my black friends doing it and I've tried it myself being white with dark hair and blue eyes but using the "is it because I'm hispanic?" and it did work).

Being a foreigner who has never been to the States but see your cultural products: sports, music industry, movies, etc dominated by minorities, it really makes no sense. If you're a smart black/hispanic/indian/native american/whatever guy in the states and you play your cards well you'll go far, you don't need any kind of positive discrimination or political correctness to protect and patronize you.

It's true that an italian has little or nothing to do with a Russian or an Irish with a Greek but yet a rural black from Alabama will have little or nothing to do with another black from New York, who will probably have more in common with their neighbours from other races than with their "brothers", however nobody question their african american identity. Same would apply for any other community, like Jewish; or you think Sefardies are the same as Askenazí or Yidish.

Problem in the USA is that you allowed all that "african american", "asian american", etc but white americans forgot their own identity. They're european americans, the only real americans were exterminated by them. The truth is that America and Americans are just a spin off from the old Europe with a dash of Africa, Asia and Native Americans, however they reject their own European heritage.

Quote: (06-19-2013 07:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I doubt there will be race riots or anything like that. America will simply start to look more like Brazil. Whites exist there as a minority, but they coexist with black and brown people without any racial violence or movement to breakaway. Nor is there much of any white consciousness movement amongst white Latin Americans.

I agree that a Brazil-like future is probably where all the world is headed to be honest. Whether by accident or design I'm not sure.

However, as it's you, and we have our history regarding this matter, I thought I'd point out the second part of your statement about whites being a minority. According to this, White Brazilians ('Brancos') are actually the largest group with 47% (mostly living in the South), with Black Brazillians on 7% and Pardo's (mixed) on 43%. Of course, some of these people wouldn't be classed as white in the U.S.

Anyway, thought I'd bring that to your attention!

Quote: (06-20-2013 12:41 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Quote: (06-19-2013 07:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I doubt there will be race riots or anything like that. America will simply start to look more like Brazil. Whites exist there as a minority, but they coexist with black and brown people without any racial violence or movement to breakaway. Nor is there much of any white consciousness movement amongst white Latin Americans.

I agree that a Brazil-like future is probably where all the world is headed to be honest. Whether by accident or design I'm not sure.

However, as it's you, and we have our history regarding this matter, I thought I'd point out the second part of your statement about whites being a minority. According to this, White Brazilians ('Brancos') are actually the largest group with 47% (mostly living in the South), with Black Brazillians on 7% and Pardo's (mixed) on 43%. Of course, some of these people wouldn't be classed as white in the U.S.

Anyway, thought I'd bring that to your attention!

The main problem is that anything that relies on self-reporting in a place like Brazil is that the answers will be skewed. There's a strong preference for identifying as white and being dark is stigmatized. Thus black is under-reported and many people who would probably be considered mixed to the rest of the world call themselves "white" in Brazil. So I take Brazil's self-reported racial demographics with a grain of salt.

The funny thing about argentinians in the US, is that the local whites consider them "latinos", and the latin consider them "gringos".

This whole thing reeks of racism... That having been said, so does "Black/Asian/Muslim" student unions. The fuck?

Let's just have a student union. No qualifiers. By adding a racial/religious tag, you're just inviting skepticism about your motives--and rightly so.

I'm all for equal rights, but damn... I wouldn't say it helps this dude's cause that he has all these rebel flags, "the south will rise again" stickers, and all sorts of bullshit--which can be resonably defended with arguments of preservation of culture--but are obviously offensive to some minorities, present in several of the interviews.

I dunno... This whole thing just stinks to high heaven, whether it be outright racism or some kind of weird-o subculture.

I'm white. It has never occurred to me to form/join any kind of "union." From the looks of it, speaking seriously, this dude formed a "gang."

Quote: (06-20-2013 02:15 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

The funny thing about argentinians in the US, is that the local whites consider them "latinos", and the latin consider them "gringos".

You'll appreciate this (assuming you haven't heard it already):

Is just me or is the fat chick in the video one creepy looking bitch? She look the type of sick chick that would into making "crushing videos " you know those fuct up fetish animal snuff films where fat chicks wear high heals and step on kittens.

Dude, the fat chick is creepy as fuck. I can't stand looking at these fools. Make me wanna vomit and here's why:

First of all, wtf?

Second, who the fuck are these kids to decide anything?

Thirdly, this is such minutia that it is mind-numbing. These motherfuckers need to deploy to a foreign land where everyone who is not you is trying to fucking kill you... All this bullshit goes right out the window!

You think you need a "White Students' Union"? Are you jacking me off? Fucking first-world problems, Man! Wait until you're about to get your ass handed to you and (god forbid) a black guy saves you by dragging you to safety or an Asian covers your six while you advance under fire... What do you do when a Muslim American saves your life in combat? Oh Boy, there goes my whole ideology...

These fucking candy-ass faggots are making a mockery of 200 years of people way better than they will ever be, dying to protect the very thing they are desecrating and damaging, for no real reason at all.

Maybe Towson needs to upgrade their curriculum to occupy their student's free-time, because when I am in Afghanistan putting my balls on the line--I assure you--it's not for some bitch-ass college students to stir up controversy with these kind of bullshit antics. Where's your pride??? For fuck's sake, if anything why the fuck would you want to emulate minority groups just because you can? Makes no fucking sense. I get it--there are Black Student Unions, Muslim Student Unions, Whateverthefuck--so, you're telling me, in order to demonstrate that you are equal/better than them, you have to form a union, too???

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Quote: (06-20-2013 02:52 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

You'll appreciate this (assuming you haven't heard it already):

I know the song, it is from El Cuarteto de Nos, and Uruguayan group. In fact, it is a satire (those guys do not actually support what they said in the song), but i agree with the lirycs. After knowing a lot of people from South and Latin America here in BA, i can say i can relate more with a french or spaniards than with a Colombian or Peruvian.

Quote: (06-20-2013 04:13 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Quote: (06-20-2013 02:52 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

You'll appreciate this (assuming you haven't heard it already):

I know the song, it is from El Cuarteto de Nos, and Uruguayan group. In fact, it is a satire (those guys do not actually support what they said in the song), but i agree with the lirycs. After knowing a lot of people from South and Latin America here in BA, i can say i can relate more with a french or spaniards than with a Colombian or Peruvian.

Knowing your nationality, that doesn't surprise me. What does the song say?

Lyrics in spanish.

Basically its a guy complaining that beign "latin" it is the mode now, and that he does not talk with latin accent, or dance salsa, or other latin stereotipes, that he is uruguayan, descendant from europeans, born and raise in the "switzerland of th south", and that in the rest of Latin American they call him "gringo" or "german", and that he have more in comon with europeans than with latin americans or natives.

Quote: (06-20-2013 04:13 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Quote: (06-20-2013 02:52 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

You'll appreciate this (assuming you haven't heard it already):

I know the song, it is from El Cuarteto de Nos, and Uruguayan group. In fact, it is a satire (those guys do not actually support what they said in the song), but i agree with the lirycs. After knowing a lot of people from South and Latin America here in BA, i can say i can relate more with a french or spaniards than with a Colombian or Peruvian.

An example of what you say is music. I usually exchange music with my foreign friends and when it's people from countries like Cuba, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela the music they usually listen to fits the latin stereotypes: salsa, reggeaton, merengue...

Argentinians, Uruguayans, Chileans on the other hand is closer to what you could find here in Europe. Those who can dance Salsa have learnt it just for the game, it's not just second nature like for those in the Caribean.

Quote: (06-20-2013 12:03 PM)Don Juan Tenorio Wrote:  

[...]
Now let's take three guys, from working class background, a redneck, a hispanic guy from LA, and a black guy from Atlanta with a similar economical background: unemployment, alcohol and drugs abuse, gangs; who do you think will have easier way to college, guess who will not get any social wellfare, access to university, scholarships, affirmative action, etc...
[...]

guess who will get pulled over/harassed/shaken down/beaten/killed by the cops ???

None of them, it's not 1991 anymore.

DWB is still pretty common, last I checked.

My question is this, my skin may be darker, but culturally I'm white (I lean more towards Carlton than the Fresh Prince). In the states I get told all the time that I "speak well", I have a degree, have white friends, etc... Can I join this white students union even though I don't look the part?

Quote: (06-20-2013 08:13 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

DWB is still pretty common, last I checked.
[...]

don't forget DWH

Quote: (06-20-2013 06:38 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

Quote: (06-20-2013 12:03 PM)Don Juan Tenorio Wrote:  

[...]

Now let's take three guys, from working class background, a redneck, a hispanic guy from LA, and a black guy from Atlanta with a similar economical background: unemployment, alcohol and drugs abuse, gangs; who do you think will have easier way to college, guess who will not get any social wellfare, access to university, scholarships, affirmative action, etc...
[...]

guess who will get pulled over/harassed/shaken down/beaten/killed by the cops ???

As far as I know (from the media) USA city, police, and fed police departments are multirratial and there are whites, blacks, latinos, and so on both sides, getting pulled over/harrassed/shaken down/beaten/killed and pulling over/harrassing/shaking down/beating/killing and pullin.

Who do you think cops would go for, this guy:



Or this one:



This one:



or these ones:



In the end it all comes down to one colour, the colour of money.

But minorities can continue telling stories about the past, using emotional blackmail and victim speech like women do as long as society allow them to profit from it, I guess I'd do the same if I were in their shoes.