Just heard this one:
MGTOW in 6 words...
"The juice isn't worth the squeeze."
MGTOW in 6 words...
"The juice isn't worth the squeeze."
Quote: (04-24-2013 06:11 PM)cardguy Wrote:
You have to SHOW a muthafukka you mean business, and make him hurt until he gives you what you want. In this context, that means things like exactly what MGTOW does, and the things Captain Capitalism (Aaron Clarey) says: reduce your production to just what you need to survive, withdraw your emotional support and attention from cunts, disengage from society to whatever extent you deem suitable for you, and let the whole rotten house collapse in on itself.
Quote: (04-24-2013 10:01 PM)aphelion Wrote:
Those of you who say that MGTOWs aren't losers for doing what they want are using the same logic that fat chicks use to defend themselves, because they claim to want to be fat. It's bullshit and we all know it. Everyone has the same basic needs (unless they're truly, madly different) and that includes companionship of the opposite sex. 98% of fat chicks would be traditional slinky hotties if they could, and 98% of MGTOWs wouldn't be that way if they were swimming in top shelf pussy that didn't divorce rape them.
It comes from the same dark place of self-admittance to defeat. That's why they're losers - because they LOST.
Quote: (04-24-2013 10:01 PM)aphelion Wrote:
Those of you who say that MGTOWs aren't losers for doing what they want are using the same logic that fat chicks use to defend themselves, because they claim to want to be fat. It's bullshit and we all know it. Everyone has the same basic needs (unless they're truly, madly different) and that includes companionship of the opposite sex. 98% of fat chicks would be traditional slinky hotties if they could, and 98% of MGTOWs wouldn't be that way if they were swimming in top shelf pussy that didn't divorce rape them.
It comes from the same dark place of self-admittance to defeat. That's why they're losers - because they LOST.
Quote: (03-19-2013 07:10 PM)King Solomon Wrote:
as we know, MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way.
Thing is, "their own way" could be anything. Could be fishing with his buddies. Could be traveling. Could be whoring. Could be porn and anime. Could be going hobo and riding the rails. Could be picking up chicks and then dropping them on their ass. Could be that "going his own way" means going to San Fran to learn BDSM and become a Dom all decked in leather training (nasty) chicks to be his slaves and beating them while they thank him for it.
What MGTOW is *not*, is a man living his life for someone else such as a wife or society at large that need worker bees to feed off of. It is a man throwing off any societal norms that he took in spite of his interests. Some MGTOWs might be happy to have a house in the suburbs and a mortgage, as long as he gets to have his boat in the garage and lives near a fishin hole. Some guys never want to be beholden in any way, to any thing, ever. It's not this or that, specifically. It is WHATEVER IN THE HELL HE WANTS AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT
Calling them losers betrays your own insecurities. Calling them losers makes you a hater. MGTOWs aren't haters- they just don't give a shit enough to even remark or reply. They do what pleases them and serves them, and defy anyone they wish to defy.
I like MGTOWs. No one has leverage on them. How can you be down on a guy for casting off people's attempts to manipulate him?
my 2 cents.
Quote: (04-24-2013 09:18 PM)Vitriol Wrote:
Quote: (04-24-2013 06:11 PM)cardguy Wrote:
You have to SHOW a muthafukka you mean business, and make him hurt until he gives you what you want. In this context, that means things like exactly what MGTOW does, and the things Captain Capitalism (Aaron Clarey) says: reduce your production to just what you need to survive, withdraw your emotional support and attention from cunts, disengage from society to whatever extent you deem suitable for you, and let the whole rotten house collapse in on itself.
Does anyone have the links to the Captain Capitalism posts where he talks about this?
It seems like many men who aren't even involved in things like MGTOW, PUA, MRA, etc. Are going to end up disengaging from society because the opportunities aren't there anymore. Some of us are making a calculated effort to be part of the marriage strike or only use girls for pumping and dumping, but think about all the guys who can no longer afford mortgages or will never have steady high paying jobs like they would have a generation ago. This current economic and social model really is going cannibal on itself and mainstream sources are still living in the past, so no one outside of these movements really notices.
Quote: (02-26-2013 01:23 AM)cardguy Wrote:
Women hate hookers. Not because of what they do. But because of how they go about it.
They hate them because they are too blatant and open about what their intentions are.
They much prefer the girls who can pull off the 'long con' - like the women who can find rich guys and then take half their money.
Sadly - all women are the same.
Some you pay up front with cash on the table.
Others you pay at the end in the divorce courts.
The first type are cheaper and more honest.
Quote: (03-02-2013 09:13 PM)Blaster Wrote:
Quote: (02-24-2013 08:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Out of the PUA, MRA, and MGTOW stuff
(pick up artists, men's rights advocates, and men going their own way)
MGTOW has the appeal.
it doesn't come off as skeevy like Pick Up.
It doesn't come off as bitter as MRA often sounds.
It's men deciding that they want to live their lives on their own terms. They don't exist to be the engine for society, to build society and to be taxed by said society.
It appeals to the independent and self-sufficient nature of men, without any baggage of the other movements.
WIA
What I don't really get about mgtow is why it even exists (disclaimer: I haven't tried too hard to understand). Once I graduated from college and started supporting myself, I've pretty much done my best to live my life on my own terms. I made some dumb mistakes and also didn't take as many risks I could have, but I was independent and except where the law was involved (taxes, insurance, etc.) I just did whatever I wanted. I was productive, creative, made money, traveled, whatever.
That is, except in one area, which was women. I had social skills but very little success attracting the girls I wanted to fuck. I got lucky a couple of times (I have good looks) but eventually I realized I was (a) still flailing in the dark (b) sublimating and rationalizing subpar relationships with women I did not truly desire.
The details are a story for another time, suffice to say that with some encouragement I deliberately sought out game resources for self-improvement. That's how I found Roosh initially, and then I stuck around because I found a lot of other interesting ideas. That's how I wound up exposed to the MRA stuff, and while I think MRA's reputation for bitterness and whining is somewhat deserved and they can be as prone to denying reality as feminists, I found many quality articles and legal topics I had not considered before.
But MGTOW... I've never seen any truly interesting blog or online resource, nor would I have any reason to seek out such a group on my own. Game and MRA types always seem to be talking about MGTOW, and while the concept makes a ton of sense I don't understand its appeal as a distinct movement.
Quote: (02-24-2013 06:07 PM)cardguy Wrote:
I always remind a girl that I have visited Amsterdam and have slept with much hotter girls than her for about $100. So - to me she is worth no more than a couple of box sets of 'Mad Men.' I tell em' the market has already set her value and the market is never wrong. I tell em' don't argue with me. Argue with Milton Friedman. And then I laugh at them again for not knowing who the fuck Milton Friedman is.
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I dunno' - if I cared enough I could probably figure out some kind of clever 'anti'-game game. I think there might be something in it. But to me it is a way of life. I will bow down to no authority. And I refuse to try and impress anyone. Especially the wimminz.
Quote: (05-05-2013 10:16 PM)cardguy Wrote:
I feel alot of people who try and do 'cool' stuff (like travelling, music festivals, sporting events, museums, art galleries, surfing, snowboarding, sailing etc) are ultimately just doing it to try and impress others. Even if there is nobody watching them.
Somehow the act alone builds up their self-esteem enough to make it worthwhile. As if they are starring as an idealised version of themselves in a movie of their lives.
Which is fine. But - it makes me laugh when 'cool' people think other people are 'uncool' for doing boring shit (in my case reading books and drinking bourbon). Since - whatever you may think of 'uncool' people - you can be sure they are doing what makes them truly happy. And with no ulterior motive.
Sorry - I'm not sure if the above makes sense to others. It is just something that occurs to me since my older brother is always tring to do stuff just for the sake of doing stuff.
And it often seems as well that people are more interested in the photos they will get for their Facebook page - than they are in the enjoyment they will get from the activity itself.
Quote: (05-31-2013 12:12 PM)cardguy Wrote:
This doesn't just apply to MGTOW. I think we can all relate to it. But I want to post it since it is a nice example of the script that so many of us here on the forum are trying to avoid:
I know this video has been posted before. But it is an excellent one which acts as a motivator, in terms of what to avoid in life.
Quote: (02-24-2013 08:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Out of the PUA, MRA, and MGTOW stuff
(pick up artists, men's rights advocates, and men going their own way)
MGTOW has the appeal.
it doesn't come off as skeevy like Pick Up.
It doesn't come off as bitter as MRA often sounds.
It's men deciding that they want to live their lives on their own terms. They don't exist to be the engine for society, to build society and to be taxed by said society.
It appeals to the independent and self-sufficient nature of men, without any baggage of the other movements.
WIA
Quote: (07-25-2013 11:18 AM)cardguy Wrote:
Wow - great post, Beyond Borders!
Also I haven't heard of that Steinbeck book - so I will definitely check it out.
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About travel in general. Maybe I am overthinking it - it is just that alot of people I know are suddenly fascinated by Machu Picchu, The Killing Fields, Auschwitz, The Colosseum or Ayers Rock. Just because they happen to be on the itinerary of their holiday/travel plans. Whereas I think it is more intellectually honest to only search something out if you are genuinely interested in it. But perhaps I am just being an intellectual snob.
Still - the classic example is The Mona Lisa - where 99% of the visitors only go because they feel they 'have' to do it. Even though they have no genuine interest in art or that particular painting.
As for having fun. I would rather be in the most boring place in the world with a fun and interesting person. Than be in the most exotic place in the world with a boring person. And the problem with alot of travelling (and I have done a bit) is that you get boring people who think travelling to fun exciting places is the same as being a fun and exciting person. And that contrast is a little depressing. But again - I am probably just being a snob, I guess.
I always feel the most fun is when it is unplanned and unexpected. As such - I treasure the wild nights in unexpected and mundane places. As opposed to travelling thousands of miles for the sole intention of going wild.
Of course there is nothing wrong with doing both. But - I am always trying to challenge the images that are fed to us by media that if your life doesn't resemble a beer commercial then you must be doing something wrong.