About time I started this thread….

Now that my job/living situation is set, I know my passions, goals, myself, my path, if you will, I can now start pursuing women!

I will be chronicling my “trials and tribulations” of going from a newbie who smacks his dick against virtual Sasha Greys to having porn star sex with three different chicks a month!

I figured to keep all my questions, concerns, stories, etc, in one thread versus creating a new thread every time I have a question or find a revelation that I must share.

My first order of business is confronting my fear of approaching, handling rejection, ego-smashing discomfort, and getting past the opening bell.

I am not going to front, I still shit a brick before I approach a girl. I have some experience but most of my night club game is me standing idol playing with my club soda smelling like baking soda and lost ambition watching the show…

Watching other alphas make approaches..

And do something that resembles dancing….

The first issue I am looking to confront is my social anxiety. I have done well with meditation and exercise, plus reading The Power of Now (http://ow.ly/iJZI2) and The Four Agreements (http://ow.ly/iK04q), and No More Mr Nice Guy (http://ow.ly/iK0j9) has resulted in a big paradigm shift.

I’ve been hitting the gym for months and look like Beast Mode now.

Women at work our complementing me. “Damn Ahab, you can pull some girls!”

My first night out is Friday. They have a bistro with a live band playing hits from the 80s and 90s. It is a meetup.com event.

Chicks wise, in terms of the group, are mostly 30 something washed up has-beens and never-weres. I’ll make my social connections (i.e toss them to my linkedin and Twitter) for what it is worth with them but focus on the young broads. Youngest ones be 18 oldest ones be 30.

Plus, I am dying to ask out this chick at work. Got to love a girl that tells the whole crew that she loves sucking dick (in a joking way but whatever, it was on her mind).

Shit, already an hour behind schedule. Fucking internet addiction.

Off to the gym.

More later.

I looked over some of the approach thread tonight.

I really liked Gio's approaches. I think he puts it out there to let you know walking up to random women is not weird or creepy but expected and can net a lot of success.

I want to go direct and sincere. I noticed that asking a girl a question (like where are the lakers playing tonight?) when in reality she is hot and I want to get to know her is not my thing. I'd rather walk up, let her know why I'm even saying hello, and letting the chips fall where they may.


I watched some day game videos on youtube. I some of them are great, others are vomit. Sasha seems to trip me out (walks up to a random women, asks her "what is the meaning of life?" Um, really?). Oh well, can't hate that hard. He is banging tons of chicks.







Asked my co-worker out via text. She has plans this weekend (gradmother coming in from out of town/beach day with fam) so she is busy but she may make it out and will let me know what's up.

Asked another co-worker out but she has a boyfriend.

Went on a date with this 36 year old MILF and she freaked out when I felt up her leg. Bitch was tired looking anyway. She has nice long hair but her sex drive (which she tells me is non existent) and subsequent self-hatred bullshit (how can you like me? You should be running away) put my dick on a respirator.

I was happy to see her bounce out of the car when I dropped her off. Fuck if I even respond to her FB messages.

Oh well. Going out Friday night and things are rolling smooth for Saturday.

Keeping it moving.

I read all what you are going to do. But, when are you going to wing with El Mechanico?

Quote: (03-13-2013 10:34 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

I read all what you are going to do. But, when are you going to wing with El Mechanico?

I hang out with him from time to time at his shop.

He showed me his day game hack. Also showed me a few pointers with online game. I never got into it though. I never was into online seduction. I prefer to meet women in real time.

I'm always down to wing if he is available. He is usually pretty busy though.

Also, he tends not to like nightclubs/bars where I usually game.

OP, if approach anxiety is a big problem for you, direct approach is not the best choice. It takes a ton of confidence and a rock solid frame. the least little waver and you are going to fail, and chicks are very good at detecting this incongruence

And hitting on/dating co-workers is a recipe for unemployment

Quote: (03-14-2013 03:17 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

OP, if approach anxiety is a big problem for you, direct approach is not the best choice. It takes a ton of confidence and a rock solid frame. the least little waver and you are going to fail, and chicks are very good at detecting this incongruence

And hitting on/dating co-workers is a recipe for unemployment

AA is a problem for me but I notice it is gone once I am in set. I've had success with going direct before, even when nervous.

Indirect isn't an option for me anymore. I've tried Mystery Method material all the way to Bang. I get shown the door faster than a broke man at a high end strip club.

I'd rather work on building confidence in going direct since I can click with girls who are down with me thinking they are sexy (set the tone right from the bat).

I am not saying I will walk up to a girl and ask to fuck her on the spot...but letting her know I think she is cute off the top doesn't seem counter-productive. Why else would I be walking up to a woman? To find out if magic spells work?

I am only going after my co-workers because it is a part time gig (no more than ten hours) at a food and service joint (where all the girls who work there are sluts).

The place is a practically a frat house anyway (co-workers going out, hitting on each other).

My former manager did get the can for pursuing a coworker. Not because he got a sexually harassment complaint,but because he let his numbers fall off a cliff since he couldn't stop flirting with/trying to fuck her all the time.

I wouldn't touch a woman at my main job.

BTW, I am reading your 100 approach thread. Nice stuff.

Try some phenibut for your AA.

It works well for some people and does shit for others. Inexpensive, so if it doesn't do anything for you you're not out much. You can get it on Amazon.

Quote: (03-18-2013 01:12 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Try some phenibut for your AA.

It works well for some people and does shit for others. Inexpensive, so if it doesn't do anything for you you're not out much. You can get it on Amazon.

I have a whole bottle of it here free if he wants.

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phenibut

wiki says it's a nootropic. What are some of the effects you guys have experienced?

I've had a bottle for a couple months and have only gotten around to trying it once, so my experience is very limited.

I took 1500mg's and it was a good two hours before I noticed anything. I don't recall if I had just eaten or not as it's been a while ago. It gave me a buzz about like 3 or 4 beers would. Nothing to earth shattering but definitely took the edge off.

The effects lasted about 6 hours after dosing.

One thing I have read about it is if you use it a lot you can build a tolerance, so it is suggested you use it only at times you think you may need it to interact with others and to not overdo it. Some people have had withdrawal issues but they were popping thousands of mg's a day to overcome their built up tolerance.

There's a good bit of info available online that gives various experiences people have had with it. Like I said initially, it effects some people in a big way, with some noticing next to nothing.

Quote: (03-13-2013 09:09 PM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  

I want to go direct and sincere.

Do it. Lately, I have been saying -- "excuse me, I saw you in line over there and I wanted to say hello, you look nice today, are you from around here"

Or,

"hi, excuse me, I know this is random but, i noticed you over there and wanted to come say hello, my name is gio, whats yours?"

Or,

"hi how are you today? I gotta run but can i flirt with you for 1 minute?"

I like to get in the way of girls walking down the street and say -- "you can bump into me, i wouldn't mind, hahaha"

Playful yet strong tone is key!

Quote: (03-13-2013 09:09 PM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  

I'd rather walk up, let her know why I'm even saying hello, and letting the chips fall where they may.

The better looking you are, and the better dressed you are, and the more confidence you have...

...the more direct and sincere you can be.

Every woman wants to be approached by a handsome man.

Speak with power.

Check out this post. This is really my most update research:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21480-...#pid391114

How about "Mr. Happy insisted we introduce ourselves to such a fine looking female specimen. Do you always dress so provocatively?"

Quote: (03-18-2013 01:48 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

I've had a bottle for a couple months and have only gotten around to trying it once, so my experience is very limited.

I took 1500mg's and it was a good two hours before I noticed anything. I don't recall if I had just eaten or not as it's been a while ago. It gave me a buzz about like 3 or 4 beers would. Nothing to earth shattering but definitely took the edge off.

The effects lasted about 6 hours after dosing.

One thing I have read about it is if you use it a lot you can build a tolerance, so it is suggested you use it only at times you think you may need it to interact with others and to not overdo it. Some people have had withdrawal issues but they were popping thousands of mg's a day to overcome their built up tolerance.

There's a good bit of info available online that gives various experiences people have had with it. Like I said initially, it effects some people in a big way, with some noticing next to nothing.

Thanks for the information.

I don't want to become chemically dependent on anything.

In the end I will have to rely on willpower. I think that is a good thing short term/long term.

Quote: (03-18-2013 01:57 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (03-13-2013 09:09 PM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  

I want to go direct and sincere.

Do it. Lately, I have been saying -- "excuse me, I saw you in line over there and I wanted to say hello, you look nice today, are you from around here"

Or,

"hi, excuse me, I know this is random but, i noticed you over there and wanted to come say hello, my name is gio, whats yours?"

Or,

"hi how are you today? I gotta run but can i flirt with you for 1 minute?"

I like to get in the way of girls walking down the street and say -- "you can bump into me, i wouldn't mind, hahaha"

Playful yet strong tone is key!

Quote: (03-13-2013 09:09 PM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  

I'd rather walk up, let her know why I'm even saying hello, and letting the chips fall where they may.

The better looking you are, and the better dressed you are, and the more confidence you have...

...the more direct and sincere you can be.

Every woman wants to be approached by a handsome man.

Speak with power.

Check out this post. This is really my most update research:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21480-...#pid391114

Awesome tips Gio.

I love your style and approach to gaming. You are indeed passionate.

I like krauser. He seems to exemplify my type of game.

Alright, bit late with an update but been busy.

Had my first night out and was mostly walking on eggshells. I did manage to do an approach though and hooked a sexy latina and her friend from California. Sadly the cock blocking male cousin shot the set to shit.

Regardless, I feel the wolf growing stronger inside me. I hung out with some new friends at a bar and checked out the Miami Heat game. I literally could not stop looking at the attractive women. I felt the URGE to approach, like, "Whoa, dude you got to approach her..approach her..approach her!!!!"

I literally felt a tormentor was smashing a ten iron against my brain begging for me to approach. I've never felt that way before in my life

Must be the new diet/exercise routine.

Going out Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I should get atleast ten approaches.

Time to lace up the boxing clubs and get my ass beat while beating some ass.


“In order to show courage there has to be fear, and that’s why we have courage, because we are afraid. And that was the most successful part about me, I was so in touch with my fear, I was ferocious and blood thirsty, I hated and dread losing.I had been a loser all my life, my mother’s a loser, my father’s a loser, and I’m frightened still. That’s just how it is in this world of fighters, the fighters are never who they appear to be”-Mike Tyson

Hey Cap'n

Glad to hear things are moving forward for you. I need to cross paths with you and Mech sometime. I assume you're still in the Tampa Bay area?

For certain types of girls, and fortunately, the types of girls I prefer, this area is unbeatable.

Quote: (04-03-2013 11:09 AM)BoneDaddy Wrote:  

Hey Cap'n

Glad to hear things are moving forward for you. I need to cross paths with you and Mech sometime. I assume you're still in the Tampa Bay area?

For certain types of girls, and fortunately, the types of girls I prefer, this area is unbeatable.

Boat time soon. in a couple weeks I'll show you what's up.

Quote: (04-03-2013 11:09 AM)BoneDaddy Wrote:  

Hey Cap'n

Glad to hear things are moving forward for you. I need to cross paths with you and Mech sometime. I assume you're still in the Tampa Bay area?

For certain types of girls, and fortunately, the types of girls I prefer, this area is unbeatable.

Yeah, still in the bay area and will be here for the foreseeable future.

Mech is around, busy though. Now a days you may get a conversation since he is always making moves.


Tampa is a great spot for women. I was a bit let down at first by the older population (was in Largo/Clearwater..where many of the old folks are) but once you begin exploring you find all kinds of beautiful women: young, white and slutty in (South Tampa and North Tampa), horny college chicks (South Tampa..UT, North Tampa USF), black and smart (East Tampa), M.I.L.F. and rich (South Tampa, Clearwater), Latin and professional (West Tampa), Asian and dripping (Pinellas Park)...

Artistic chicks in St Pete..

Superficial bitches in South Tampa....Ghetto nonsense in South St Pete

And everything in between...

I would say if you want the 18-30 crowd stay inland or in Downtown St Pete. If you want older branch out in Pinellas County or around Tampa.

I do like how you have so many niches in one area.

Tampa has a nice mix.

You got to go out there and look for it though. After being here for almost nine months I finally figured out a man that stays at home doesn't bone and a closed mouth does not get fed.

You really got to get out there and fuck shit up.

Tampa sounds like my kind of place!

Quote: (04-03-2013 01:19 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Tampa sounds like my kind of place!

It's the other "bay area" The sleazy one

Ahab, I feel a lot of what you are saying, I know where you are coming from, sometimes when you write I feel like it's something that someone else has written about me. I think I can help you with your game, it's too bad we can't wing for each other, but I will try to drop a detailed response to your posts here later when I have more time.

Quote: (04-03-2013 12:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (04-03-2013 11:09 AM)BoneDaddy Wrote:  

Hey Cap'n

Glad to hear things are moving forward for you. I need to cross paths with you and Mech sometime. I assume you're still in the Tampa Bay area?

For certain types of girls, and fortunately, the types of girls I prefer, this area is unbeatable.

Boat time soon. in a couple weeks I'll show you what's up.

I know what you're capable of, I'm not sure I can keep up! But I'm looking forward to trying.

I'll shoot you a PM and figure out how we can cross paths.

Captain,

I strongly encourage you to go fucking crazy. Thats the only way to noticeable results fast. If you give a half-assed effort, you will get half-assed results. If you really want to start banging a variety of hot women, you are going to have to put in alot work. As a beginner, you will likely have to approach a few hundred women just to get a handful of bangs. Some guys have to approach over 100 women to get laid or even just get a date. Hopefully, you are not that bad, but, even if you are, who cares?

Just approach as many girls as you can and your approach-date-bang RATIOS will improve.

When I say go crazy, I mean approach at least 5-10 girls a day. You will get at least 1 number each day. After a week you will have close to 10 numbers. Now, you should be texting and/or calling at least 1 girl almost each day. Do this for a month and you will get dates. Schedule as many dates as you can. Involve alcohol (if they drink) and get them back to your place. Do this 5-10 times and you will get laid.

It's that's simple. But, this is not about getting laid. It's about learning as much as you can about yourself and your gaming abilities. The faster you can identify your own personal strengths and weaknesses, the faster you can get to work on eliminating the weaknesses and maximizing the strengths. You also need to learn you logistical issues, text/phone game, date game, closing game, sex game, and post sex game.

All of these things are addressed in what I wrote above.

Going crazy also means eating right and hitting the gym. Going crazy also means doing all the singles events, speed dating, and social events that you can. Force yourself to approach.

If you want to get good, fast, you gotta go crazy!

Approaching 3 girls a week is not trying hard enough.

Go with the Krauser style direct-indirect. But, there is a time to be flatout indirect and a time to be flat out direct. You will learn.

I understand the approach anxiety, as I still experience it, but you can't let it paralyze you into inaction. You are on the right track with inner game, but you must realize that one of the only ways to get any where in the game is to overcome your fear of rejection. Not only do you have to learn to not fear rejection, but you have to learn how not to give a fuck. Not giving a fuck is a huge factor in the game.

So many guys worry about approaching the girl, they psyche themselves out and rationalize why they shouldn't approach her, if they do approach her, they live and die by the approach. Sure it hurts a little bit if a woman flat out rejects you, or decides to not acknowledge your presence, but really she is just one dumb bitch, there are so many more, once you learn how to "detach" from the outcome, you can continue to approach, unfazed, until you find one that does like you.

The important thing is that you approach, unless you are blessed with great looks/height, fame, or social status, women will not open you. It is possible that you are getting too hung up on the opener, this is a common problem that afflicts a lot of us at times, but what you got to remember is that the opener isn't all that important. What is important is that you open! Once you have opened you need to hook her and continue to escalate subtly, escalate the conversation, escalate the innuendos, flirting, touching, kissing, etc. Always be opening, and always be closing.

Also another issue is, are you on a dry spell? I find that the longer the dry spell the greater the correlation is between weak game, thirstiness, and the desperation vibe. There is some kind of unspoken psychic thing where women can tell when a man is and is not getting laid. The more you are getting laid, the more attractive you are to women, the less you get laid, the less attractive you are. If you are on a dry spell, perhaps it's time to pick some low hanging fruit? Just lower your standards and fuck a girl in the 5-6 range, maybe even keep her around and fuck her a few times, to work it out of your system. Ending a dry spell, even if it's with a less than stellar broad, can help put some pep into your step and get your confidence back on point. It's not about fucking unattractive chicks, it's about pulling yourself out of a rut, to get back on track, then you work your way up the totem pole.

Don't be so in your own head. I am guessing you are like me, an introverted, intelligent, introspective, and often a little bit overly analytical. Sometimes we just have to switch off that part of our brain, and just operate more on an instinctual level. Don't stand there psyching yourself out, just get your feet moving in the direction of the woman you want to talk to, walk up to her, and open your mouth and say words....

Like I said don't get too hung up on the opener, if going direct isn't your thing, go indirect, experiment use both styles and find out what works for you. Recently I've been using anything from stuff as basic as, "what's up, how are you girls doing tonight?", to "hey, I saw you standing over here by yourself, looking all fly, and I thought I should come over and introduce myself", to "what kind of beer are you drinking?", to drunken direct late night approaches, when I basically pull a girl walking by making eye contact, I lightly grab her arm, turn her towards me, hug her, and say "what your name beautiful?"

Use whatever works, but just remember, all you have to do is approach a woman, make strong eye contact, and speak clearly and say words... Sometimes the most basic and easy openers, like "hey how's it going?" are the best and most effective, as dumb as that may sound to a guy who over intellectualizes game. Obviously from there you need to keep a conversation going and build it into a vibe, where you are flirting, and sexualizing.

Next thing to keep in mind, is "mind set", when you step into the club, you need to know you are an alpha male, and you are there to swoop women, that is your purpose. Your goal when you go out is to fuck, not to approach, not to get phone numbers, but to have sex with a woman at the end of the night. You are a sexual being, women are sexual beings, sex is a natural byproduct of that. Don't be afraid or ashamed of being sexual, if a woman isn't feeling it or wants to shame you, then forget that bitch, it's her loss.

Final tip for now, is venue selection... You say you like nightclubs, but it sounds like you are an intelligent guy, your strong points are probably going to be more verbal game, then nightclub game (which usually revolves around baller game, status game, dancefloor game, or caveman game). I will go ahead and assume that you don't have baller game, status game, or caveman game, so unless you have good dancefloor game, I would maybe shy away from loud nightclubs. Instead hit up more chilled out bars, whether they are dive bars, sports bars, college bars, whatever, any where there are cute women that you can easily open and engage in conversation. Keep in mind bars that are laid out well and have good logistics for the kind of game you want to run. Most guys have one bar or venue that matches their style, or they have a higher success rate at, whether that's due to it having the kind of women that appreciate them, or a good logistical set up. Either way, find your "spot" a bar where you "get in where you fit in" and your game is well received by the women, hit that up on the regular and it will reward you in time.

Also listen to Tariq Nasheed's, macklessonsradio.com, brother spits that hot fyah game! Soak it in Captain.

Quote: (04-03-2013 03:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Captain,

I strongly encourage you to go fucking crazy. Thats the only way to noticeable results fast. If you give a half-assed effort, you will get half-assed results. If you really want to start banging a variety of hot women, you are going to have to put in alot work. As a beginner, you will likely have to approach a few hundred women just to get a handful of bangs. Some guys have to approach over 100 women to get laid or even just get a date. Hopefully, you are not that bad, but, even if you are, who cares?

Just approach as many girls as you can and your approach-date-bang RATIOS will improve.

When I say go crazy, I mean approach at least 5-10 girls a day. You will get at least 1 number each day. After a week you will have close to 10 numbers. Now, you should be texting and/or calling at least 1 girl almost each day. Do this for a month and you will get dates. Schedule as many dates as you can. Involve alcohol (if they drink) and get them back to your place. Do this 5-10 times and you will get laid.

It's that's simple. But, this is not about getting laid. It's about learning as much as you can about yourself and your gaming abilities. The faster you can identify your own personal strengths and weaknesses, the faster you can get to work on eliminating the weaknesses and maximizing the strengths. You also need to learn you logistical issues, text/phone game, date game, closing game, sex game, and post sex game.

All of these things are addressed in what I wrote above.

Going crazy also means eating right and hitting the gym. Going crazy also means doing all the singles events, speed dating, and social events that you can. Force yourself to approach.

If you want to get good, fast, you gotta go crazy!

Approaching 3 girls a week is not trying hard enough.

Go with the Krauser style direct-indirect. But, there is a time to be flatout indirect and a time to be flat out direct. You will learn.

Thanks.

And you are right. I think all the introspection has made me well acquainted with my weaknesses.

I think one of the biggest revelations was accepting that walking on egg shells feeling (called anxiety) is not going to go away. I think understanding that the feeling always going to be there when the possibility of rejection is on the table is what is pushing me to really embrace the REALITY of picking up women, something that I haven't considered.

And you are right, it is going to take a manic like drive to improve. I have to do this everyday, starting tonight. I can only make it out so many days out of the week due to my schedule but bottom line I should be going out atleast three days a week MINIMUM.


You are right Giovonny. Time to get stupid.