[Dupe post my bads]

Update.

Made above 50 street approaches in period of month and half with poor results.

Last year I was able to get 1 # out of 5 approaches. Now it’s like 1 # out 20. I don’t thinks my looks got worse, if fact I dropped from 20% body fat to 15% and difference is quite visible both on my face and my abs. My confidence is getting better too. So I don’t know what’s going on. Maybe its coincidence, I don’t know.

Anyway I haven’t updated my approaches for w while because they went nowhere and I don’t want to share negativity.

Yesterday I made 4 approaches and one of them went relatively good comparing to previous ones so I will describe it.

I was sitting outside restaurant and eating kebab. I saw cute chick couple of meters away speaking on phone. She hang outs and still staying there obviously waiting for somebody. I eat kebab with garlic so
I will probably smells garlic but i dont care. I grab my kebab, get up from the table and come over.

Me: excuse me.. I see you second time today and I decided to come over and say hi, I like your style.
Her: thank you
Me: what’s your name?
Her: Monique
Me: I am starmaze , nice to meet you

( now goes my modified routine which I find both engaging her in conversation and showing some value in the same time. It also helps to avoid to ask questions in the beginning of interaction)

Me: you remind me of a girl from my yoga class..
Her: really? I never attended yoga class
Me: it’s never too late. The age range in my class was from 18 to 70 years. So you still catch on
Her: hah probably
Me: funny thing is I was the only guy in my group. It really sucks…
Her: why? Isn’t it good?
Me: no because it’s hard to concentrate on practice
Her: oh I see
Me: what do you do?
Her: I work
Me: what kind of work? Wait, don’t tell me, I will guess.. you are a salsa teacher.
Her: I wish I was. I am just shopping assistant in furniture store.
Me: oh good, I need a new desk
Her: you can drop over someday, we have desks
Me: where is it?
Her: xxx
Me: it’s too far, like a different galaxy..
Her: (something)
Me: what do you do beside working?
Her: I like clubbing
Me: what’s you best place for clubbing?
Her: usually xxx

Now her friend comes over but she just stays next to us and don’t cut it.

Me: ok listen how about we can go out sometimes together
Her: yeah why not
Me: ok give me your number
Her: ok

I handle her my phone and she put her number.

Me: ok it was nice to meet you
Her: you too
Me; ok I am going it finish my kebab now
Her: ok

I saw she turned her head in my direction when I was leaving.

I ping her today:

“hope you don’t remind kebab garlic smell when you think of me? ”

She didn’t reply. I thought the number is dead. Two hours later I called her and she picked up.
She said her phone battery was charging. We had 10 minute convo where I think I managed to built some comfort and we initially set some plans on coming week. We shall see. I learnt to never count my chickens before they are hatched.

@ Pei Wei, spot a German exchange student (8) with a male companion. I make eye contact and get the approach vibe so I elderly open about the food, at which point I realize I know the male companion. We had taken a class together a few months ago. I ask the guy "is this girl is your sister." and she eagerly chimes in "no we're neighbors." I decide in my head to game her.

Following my inquiry, I ignore her for the first 4 minutes of the interaction and then I open her directly something along the lines of "whats up?" and notice she gives me strong eye contact. Her male companion notices this exchange and interrupts. Asking about how I am and bullshit like that. I am polite. I was with a friend and he picked up on the vibe quickly. As he makes a move to start talking to her friend, I move right up to her and start bullshiting about the food, she's into me so it hooks really well. I suggest we all eat together, her companion hesitates, but she, my target jumps at the offer.

Fast forward, and all four of us are seated at a table. She is to my right and her male companion and my "wing" are seated across from us. My wing was my friend with limited experience, but he picked up on the vibe right away and did a passable job distracting the obstacle while I ran attraction game. Forgive the pickup jargon here, but I negged her so hard when the subject of age came up. I asked her how was she and she said 24, but she didn't speak clearly so I had her repeat her response 3 times. The third time she gave me a look, raised brow, like "seriously?" I played dumb and said "you're 34?!" she said "NO, 24," to which I replied, "whatever you're still old." It landed heavy, she scoffed sarcastically "wow, charming." She said it in such a way that there was no doubt in what she was actually saying: "wow, JERK." Perfect.

It took a lot, but I acted completely unaffected. A quick few moments later I lower my voice and speak to her in a very genuine tone, asking her about herself and she responded in kind, despite the haymaker of a neg I had thrown previously. I figured this response indicated I had enough attraction to close.

A short while later,
Her male companion goes to the bathroom and she gets up to get water, I get up, phone in hand convinced I am going to number crunch like a boss and return to the table nobody but her and I being the wiser. I walk over to her, and think OH MAN SHE'S SO HOT, and FREEZE. (Feel free to troll me for that one, I deserve it.) Say something kind of dumb because my heart's racing, and return to the table ego bruised. I didn't let it bother me because I know it's bigger than any one moment and I know other than that this whole interaction has been dope: Whatever, 1 step back. Companion returns to the table and I continue gaming. I have a running clock in my head and I figure I have about 6 minutes to close before we get up and leave.

The Bold Move and The Close
At this point her male companion is aware I'm putting the moves on "his girl" and so he starts paying less attention to what my wing is saying and starts dragging me out of conversation (isolation) with my target. The girl realizes this and begins to dominate conversation because it becomes apparent that "something" is going on. I back off and play it cool realizing that I have maybe 120, 180 seconds to do something. There is a lull in the conversation and turn my head and look straight at her I ask her, "Are you single?" She replies yes and I say "I would love to take you to" [a restaurant I bait dropped during comfort] "so we can continue this conversation alone." She's on the fence and I fucked up by trying to convince her saying things like "I'll dress up nice, I don't normally dress like this." [I had just gotten back from the gym] Just a lot of unnecessary qualification.
She smiles, but I can tell I'm encountering some resistance (could you consider this LMR?) I humorously slide my phone over to her expectantly waiting for her to put her number in my phone, but she doesn't make a move to enter her #. I take my phone back and we all get up to go. Whatever at least I tried right? I play aloof as we are leaving the table, my wing trades pleasantries "this was a lot of fun etc." just generally politicking. We exit the restaurant, but as we are preparing to say our goodbyes the waitress calls after us. My target had forgotten her purse. I think her mind was so caught up in the moment that she forgot it. My wing shakes the hand of the male companion and then shakes her hand and pulls her closer for a kiss (as is typical in our culture) I shake the other guys hand and go to shake her hand and she kind of presses herself on me and takes a kiss; in the moment it felt like a huge indicator of interest. The two turn to leave and after they've taken 7 steps I call after her, real cool and calm I say "AYE!" They turn around and I ask "You have facebook?" "Whats your name I'll add you and we'll go out later this week." She smiles, gives me her name, and asks "are you going to write it down?" I smile and wink as a I say "How do you spell it, I'll remember, I promise." She spells it out shoots me a sexy smile and we part ways.


And now, for the life of me, I can't remember how to spell it.
Oh well, practice makes perfect.

-PJ

Good Job PJ, You said it yourself , you said some needy things and even in the end, " I promise , I'll remember ".

Strong effort on your part, there was her cockblocker friend, big obstacle, but if the girl was giving you IOI, Try Isolate even few steps away and say "I need to talk to her for 2 min", not going very far, stay in the eyesight of the cockblocker so he doesn't get up to cockblock you, State your intent and get a contact number close or if it seems too much of an effort just go for girls who are alone.

Just did two day game approaches on the street ( Sussex, UK )

First one: See a cute blonde,early 20's ( 7.5 ) walking towards me on the high street. I smile and she reciprocates so I say "stop where are you going?" with a big smile. She turns and says nowhere but carries on walking so I jog after her and stop her. I ask her what her name is and she says 'Lucinda' with a posh accent. So I immediately start going on about how posh she is to have that name and that I bet she went to private school. She gets defensive but smilingly admits she did. She's not giving much back and I'm now struggling for what to say ( fuck my mind wasn't on tbe ball yet - first approach of the day ). I say honestly,"I'm struggling here,your turn" and she opens up asking me questions and where am I from,playing with her hair. Turns out she has just finished Uni in London and doesn't know many people in the city. So I say that I have friend's to meet but let's swap numbers and we can meet up to talk about Polo and posh
things and talk to random strangers. Number closed but she doesn't have phone with her she says so she cant tke my number,so I expect it to flake. Who doesn't carry their phone?! My friend who knows nothing about game was with me and cannot believe what he has just seen and thinks it's mind blowing to get a random girls number like that.

I just returned home and she's just texted me,cool. Invited her out on Thursday night to laugh at poor people. She responded laughing and said ok. See what happens. Did she not realize I'm old enough to be her dad?


Second Approach: I leave Lucinda and after ten paces see a stunning MILF ( body 9, face high 8 or low 9 )Mid 30's but holy shit,stunning,blonde,skinny,glamourous and walking towards me smiling. I said "where you going looking like that,you must be going to an event right?" She says that she has just had her nails done and shows me them. I had so many leads to run from this but for some mad
inexplicable reason I just say "well you look nice,enjoy your day". WHAT THE
FUCK!! Why did I make such an amateurish mistake??? I think the high of closing
Lucinda and then seeing this stunner just took my mind off the ball for a minute. Lesson learnt,hopefully I'll see her around town again.

Quote: (10-11-2012 09:46 AM)_GQ_ Wrote:  

You should have worked out with her right when she said she needed a partner, then bounced somewhere to do something else after.

Yep.

Too many guys think the goal is to get her number.

The goal is to get in her pants.

They don't flake when you are balls deep.

Quote: (10-16-2012 09:38 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

They don't flake when you are balls deep.

LOL

Seriously, if you can do something with a girl as soon as you meet them it makes the connection so much stronger, and in my experience, pretty much eliminates the chance of flaking after you do get her number.

I think we need to create a thread on flirting. What do you guys think?

The thread should be called The i am flirting with this chick thread. Basically on this thread, we will write about chicks that we are flirting with. For example, you go to a hotel and the receptionist is a bad ass chick, you try to push things for a bang but she aint having it, you start flirting with her every time you see her and you share the flirting on that thread.

Its not a i just banged a chick thread, you will only talk about chicks that you are flirting with (after you bang her, you are free to tell us if you did bang her). Basically this would improve our escalating skills, we can always learn a new thing from another player and i think this would be good for newbies. Anyway, let me know what you guys think and i may just go create a new thread if this sounds good.

Quote: (10-16-2012 10:10 AM)pitt Wrote:  

I think we need to create a thread on flirting. What do you guys think?

The thread should be called The i am flirting with this chick thread. Basically on this thread, we will write about chicks that we are flirting with. For example, you go to a hotel and the receptionist is a bad ass chick, you try to push things for a bang but she aint having it, you start flirting with her every time you see her and you share the flirting on that thread.

Its not a i just banged a chick thread, you will only talk about chicks that you are flirting with (after you bang her, you are free to tell us if you did bang her). Basically this would improve our escalating skills, we can always learn a new thing from another player and i think this would be good for newbies. Anyway, let me know what you guys think and i may just go create a new thread if this sounds good.

Or a date thread. A thread about girls you've taken on dates, how its progressing, keeping them on the hook w texts etc. The flirting and escalation that occurs on the date, how you keep them in rotation (if you desire) after the bang, etc. etc. I try to flirt with every attractive girl I come across during the day. It would be way too much to record and write about. Maybe just the ones I'm very interested in I'd write about. But by that time I'd have hopefully gotten them to agree to a date...

I like both ideas. Its the in between time from approach-bang and separate from SNL. It would show how players build attraction. Help on flirting techniques. Entertain us with stories on the shit we tell lizards to get the hamster wheel spinning.

Its crazy cause you adjust game to the lizard. I am currently flirting with three in my unit.
One chick I talk shit to her everytime she comes around me. She likes it and always throws shit back at me. She is already smashing somebody in my unit but if shit falls through I'm probably next in line.
Another chick I DHV, she loves the travel stories I have and has done some herself. She's young though and rank is an issue.
My last one plays poker with us. She already sent an email saying she is feeling me. I fucked up by pushing for the lay electronically. The flirting is still strong tho and she loves being teased and getting touched. The close is in sight.

Pitt should start the "I'm flirting" thread and set the rules. R_this should start the date thread and set the rules. Both threads should be about girls that havent been closed and the date thread should state what number date it is. Anything passed three is a no go unless the lizard is a virgin or has money haha. I love how the forum is evolving.

I just had the best ramble I've ever had. I've also noticed I'm really good at rambling about food ie. Something I already know lots about.

Not really a cold approach, but I'd only said something to her once. (Classmate)

I've been craving soup for the past week so just as class ends I go "I want some soup where do you get good soup" I went on and on about the different kinds how much I've been craving it, what makes a good soup. About 5-10 mins in I realize what is going on and as were walking towards the bus loop she mentions a really good place that had exactly what I wanted. I say "well. I gotta head this way but let's check it sometime" and grab the digits.

Not bad for not being able to approach for a few weeks.

Yesterday, college campus, white girl wearing tight yoga pants and little tank top. She looked like she was on her way to the gym, great body, long haired brunette...

She stopped in front of the atm. I pretended to be texting so I could "accidently" bump into her. WestCoast and Slubu know that this is a move a use sometimes. I accidently and gently bump into them..

I walk by and touch my shoulder with her shoulder..

me: opps, excuse me
her: thats ok
me: how was your workout?
her: oh, good
me: what gym do you go to?
her: 24 hour on beach ave.
me: oh i like that gym, its kind of gritty if you know what i mean
her: yes i know what you mean
me: what do you do yoga? pilates?
her: just the stair master today
me: ya thats all you need, whats your name?
her: elle, nice meeting you

Blah, blah, blah...I don't remember what I said next but I got her number and will be texting today to hopefully setup a date.

What I remember from this approach is my "accidental bump". It works!

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Another one from yesterday..

I was waiting in line at a food truck,thinking if I wanted order food or not, I see a cute white girl in jeans with long dirty blond hair...

me: have you eaten here before?
her: no
me: me neither, it looks interesting
her: I usually like these food trucks but I'm not sure what this is?
me: i know, its kind of hard to tell but i think its filipino-mexican fushion
her: hmmm, interesting
me: honestly, i don't think im gonna try it, im very picky about me mexican food
her: ya it doesn't look that appetizing to me either

We both start walking away. I pretend that I'm walking in the same direction as her.

me: how was your class today?
her: not bad

Blah, blah, blah. She didn't show much interest so I bailed.

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20 minutes later, I see a girl holding herself like she is cold..

me: its freezing out here hah?
her: yes!
me: i thought it was gonna be nice today
her: me too the weather report said it was gonna be sunny
me: ya they are always wrong, you're not from around here are you?
her: no, im from the valley?
me: i could tell
her: how?
me: i don't know, just your look i guess, i have alot family in the valley
her: where
me: madera, visalia, fresno, the mexican food is better out there
her: i know i miss it
me: the only good place around here is in the shopping center by the park
her: really? whats its called?

Blah, blah, blah.

me: wanna hang out sometime, maybe i'll show you that taco place
her: umm ya, why not?

Props to Lothario for re-introducing me to the Roosh style indirect approach. I keep going back and forth between direct and indirect and honestly there is a time to use both methods. They both can work. Most days I do a few of each.

Quote: (10-17-2012 04:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Props to Lothario for re-introducing me to the Roosh style indirect approach. I keep going back and forth between direct and indirect and honestly there is a time to use both methods. They both can work. Most days I do a few of each.

Another thing about Direct Vs Indirect, "One can increase the directness in Approach proportional to the girls interest in you ", Off course the experienced players calibrate and use just the right amount of directness in any given Approach.

Thanks for the recongnition Brother Gio ,and props right back at ya, I opened a girl today because of what you told me last week.

"These lonesome, kinda sad looking girls are new on campus and haven't yet developed a social circle and you can be the perfect person to fill that gap"

Thanks to you Yoda Gio, I open this Cute and quiet Asian girl that I was cotemplating about opening but was on the fence because she was giving no attention to anyone else, No eye contact, just absorbed reading her book, She kinda look closed, then I remember what you had told me and she fitted the description of that exact kinda girl

Here is my only Approach today...... and I open with

Me: Looks like Everyone is studying for a test today
Her: Oh no,My test was yesterday, I'm just reading a book
Me: Is that a good book (Full on Direct...JK....Full on Eldely)
Her: She tells me about the author and the book
Me: I can't read Fiction
Her: what do you read
Me: I tell her and pick up her book with out permission and check the cover and hand it back to her touching her hand.
Her: I actually don't get much time to study books other then my ourse books.
Me: Me too, I have been reading other books for about year after I finished my hardcore studies.
Her: What did you study ?

2 min DHV Speech..

Me: What are you studying ?
Her: Psychology
Me: Seriously , Have you looked into the Job Market ? You should get into Clinical Psychology

I give her advice like i would to my young and naive female cousins and I see her twirling her hair and saw her face lit up, I knew I was in....

I decided to play the guessing game and try to guess her Origin, I guessed right in 3rd attempt, She couldn't guess. We talked for a good 15 min and I told her that I have to get back to work and lets continue this over a glass of wine at a Local winery (I had talked about it in our convo), motion towards her phone, she hands me the phone , i enter my name and number and give myself a call.

We agree on an evening to meet and I eject, This one is in your name Gio.......

Quote: (10-17-2012 08:14 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Another thing about Direct Vs Indirect, "One can increase the directness in Approach proportional to the girls interest in you ", Off course the experienced players calibrate and use just the right amount of directness in any given Approach.

I really like that!

Quote: (10-17-2012 08:14 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

"These lonesome, kinda sad looking girls are new on campus and haven't yet developed a social circle and you can be the perfect person to fill that gap"

You should also walk through the student housing and dorm areas. I've have met some girls who did not find a social circle within the dorms and because of this they were especially eager to hang out with a handsome, older gentlemen off campus. If I see a girl walking by herself in the dorms I approach quickly. I hope that she tells me that she hates her roommate, is sick of the food, hasn't made any friends and is bored. These are the ones who could use and older man in their life.

Lothario,

I love my new fresh perspective to the Roosh style indirect opener-ramble-bait drop method. Observing you helped me realize the simple power of that method!

Got this girls number at the end of class.

Chatted up the girl next to me throughout the 3 hours class. At the end of class the professor let us review the test and write down as many of the questions as we could before he took it down. I told her to take the even numbered questions while I wrote down the odds. She agree'd then at the end of class she appeared to want to copy it right then and there. She looked like she wanted to copy what I had written down. I saw this as a good opportunity to get her number and meetup at a later date when we could meet again.

"Hey I need to leave and go to work now. You want to meet up in a few days and we'll exchange notes?"
"I live in XXXX (City is like 30 minutes from the campus.) Do you want to type it up and email it to me =D"
"Uhm I mean not really, when's the next time you are on campus"
"I'll be here Tuesday is that good for you?"
"Yeah"
"Lets go to the lirbary"
"Yeah the willis library, here, what's your phone number?"

Nice Kickboxer, You got the digits, seems to me she wants to meet to " study together /exchange notes" and if that is the case she will a few hours of yours and get a lot of attention from you, IMO you should have made your intent clear somehow and polarize her one way or other that will save you a lot of time and headache. Either she likes you in a sexual way or she doen't unless you want to put it on a slow burner and develop attraction when you guys meet to study.

Just approached this super cute chick with a phat ass. It was around 8.30.

I just got to this city last night and i was wandering around looking for a hotel. I see this hot chick walking the other way with her little brother, i think to myself, i probably can go walk this way.

Me Excuse me, do you know where is xxx street

Her Yeah, its right here

Me Really? (i was actually surprised)

Her She is like yeah it is here

Me you from around here?

Her Nah i just moved here from xxx, but im now liviing here..you?

Me im on vacation here..i am from xxx and its my first time here

Her yeah you gonna love it here, everybody loves here

Me so where you off to

Her Im doing a basic course in xxx..going to school right now

Me Is that your little brother

Her yeah thats my little brother

Me hey sup little brother

Him sup

He wasnt looking so happy but me and her laughed after he said whats up.

I was about to change ways now..and asked her

Me you got a number so i can get in touch?

Her nah i dont have a number

Me Facebook?

Her yeah my facebook is bla bla

I never use facebook..i just pretended i was going to add her on facebook and walked away. What a good way to start the day.

Why didn't she have a number? Who doesn't have a phone? You should have pressed her on it,negged her for not having a phone,got her laughing and then fixed a time to meet later. I find getting anything from a facebook close unless there are major ioi's from her near to zero.

Quote: (10-20-2012 09:11 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Why didn't she have a number? Who doesn't have a phone? You should have pressed her on it,negged her for not having a phone,got her laughing and then fixed a time to meet later. I find getting anything from a facebook close unless there are major ioi's from her near to zero.

I am in dominican republic, you actually see many girls here without a phone, its a third world country. She also looked around 17, i usually dont mess with younger girls unless they show mad interest. However she was mad friendly and was asking me questions, i just think her younger brother was making her feel kind of guilty.

I dont put a lot of emotional investment into my approaches so it was nothing.

One thing that makes my approaches more solid is making sure the girl feels my presence and she knows im really trying to talk to her. Fuck that weak confidence approach where you say hi like you dont mean and you are hoping that she says hi back. Be bold with your approaches, make sure the girl feels your presence, she needs to know you confident about yourself and you trying to get to her.

Anyway, i saw this phat ass chick today walking towards my direction with two other friends, i was carrying my travel bag and i was looking like a cool ass tourist.

Me hey sup, you good
She looks at me, she is thinking if she should stop or not, i get closer, hey stop right there, i want to talk to you. Thats it, she stops.

Me Hey sup im pitt

her im xxx

Me so what you up to?

her im just hanging out, i just left my university down there

Me what university? I didnt know there was an universtiy around here

Her bla bla

Me i see that your friends are waiting for you, let me get your number and i will call you later

I take the number, give her a beep and i was out.

She called me about 15 minutes ago, coming to see me on wednesday.

Was at my eye-doctors 2 days ago. Chatted up the assistant while she was giving me my eye exam. Got her to break out of her normal routine. Expressed interest directly. After she left one of the other assistants came in with a card and it had my targets phone number. Texted her, date details to follow.

Interesting and hilarious Approach at Lunch time trolling on Campus, Perfect timing by e-mech to call me and try to cockblock, I picked up his call and still number closed

Will type details later when I can get to my computer.......

Quote: (10-24-2012 02:46 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Interesting and hilarious Approach at Lunch time trolling on Campus, Perfect timing by e-mech to call me and try to cockblock, I picked up his call and still number closed

Will type details later when I can get to my computer.......

Phone call from me = instant DHV that's why you got the number

Custom ring tone when E-mech calls....

At target spotted this short chick ~ 5Feet who worked there and had her take me around the store fluffing the whole way. After 5 minutes it felt like an i-date. Got really deep into rapport and suggested I take her out for coffee to "continue this conversation." She brought up the fact that she had a boyfriend, but didn't really make it seem like an objection. I was annoyed because attraction wasn't very strongly established and I wasn't able to go direct. I kind of pussy footed it, but she seems honestly interested in going to coffee with me. I know if I get her out for coffee the notch is very close. Ill post the texts in the memorable text exchange thread for advice as texting when attraction // investment is low is not my strong suit.

-PJ