Quote: (09-26-2012 05:58 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 05:45 AM)polish rumble Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 04:50 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Buy her a present of 200 euro and you will decrease the one month to one day.

Fuck no, I'd never spend 200 euro for a present to get laid, pay for the dinner, cinema or whatever, buy some roses if you want to, but If you sense that she has appetite for more tell her to fuck off.

BTW, I really like your report, It's accurate and honest, that's why I knew Deb was trollin, I'll never ever believe that someone is banging 8s and 9s in Ukraine without knowing russian and spending sometimes serious money, no matter how 'hot' he is.

Ironically I'm actually in regular email contact with Deb and can confirm that hes a good guy. I have no doubt hes banging 6s and 7s but I dont see him banging 8+s. Google translate bangs ROFL. My wingman did land his LTR here (7-7.5) via google translate dates but I it is clearly an extreme exception and not the rule.

I will be happy to meet him though he claims he doesn't use any game at all. Must be one handsome loaded mofo.

deb never really said he was banging a bunch of 8s.

Also, banging 8s anywhere is fucking tough. If you bang a new 8 every month, that is excellent, no matter where you are.

Nice timing. Kiev was next on my list but I want to see how things go here in Moscow first before I decide.
Been here a couple of days and so far the girls that speak English (about 30%) are very receptive. Some of them have formally introduced themselves within a few minutes of the interaction without me asking. I have 2 numbers but no dates lined up yet. Going to try some bar game tonight.
Will watch this thread carefully to see if anyone has actually had any success?!
(I orginally joined the NN forum just because it was more native to me. However it's just guys bragging about lays all the time. It's really tedious. I don't need people to tell people about my success... only when it all goes tits up do I feel the need to tell guys about it : )
Nice to see some honest posts on here)

All daygame/social game. Night game in Kiev when you're hunting for 8+ is an extremely expensive proposition as Kiev has a very small but visible highly moneyed class. I'm richer than 99.9% of Kievans and I have multiple European properties but they WILL blow you out of the water with their bottle service and pink lamborghini parked outside the club. Happened to me. I will not spend 500 euros on a nightclub to get a chance at an 8.

Gababout, I am sure that if I reduced my quality filter, I would have banged a number of 6s and 7s. As soon as I decide shes below 7.5 she gets NEXTED. Thats just the rules I set for myself.

Regarding the 9 she is SMSing me every day. May hail mary her this weekend and gatecrash the hotel set.

In an ideal world we all want 8's and above. But with anything less then a few weeks in any city I would settle for a 7 as long as it did not take 3 dates.

What can I say, I'm a massochist. Also post bang it takes me a few days to get the hunting hunger back strong so I do not waste my precious libido on girls I could close back home. Other guys will have different rules. Just don't assume that 6s and 7s will spread their legs here the moment they see the fat wad in your wallet.

I'm the same age and truly jealous of Roosheys insatiable libido - the dude must drink testosterone milkshakes all day.

The girl I number and kiss closed on Friday night in Kiev. I met her in Dockers pub as she was celebrating her 25th. First FSU girl to not only refuse drinks from me but to buy me them instead. I'd happily swap girls with you but I don't think you'd accept Alex : ) She wanted to meet me the next night but I could not be bothered as I had flu so went to bed instead.

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The one of her by the beach has been airbrushed to the max. I'm posting this because I'll never bother visiting and to show the level of girl you can get relatively easily in Kiev. I'd rate her a low seven in my eyes.

Wolverine if you head down to Odessa let me know and I'll pm you her number.

Nice Vorkuta, I would rate her exactly the same pending seeing her body. Would bang.

My redhead 8 sans makeup.



For me, the perfect 20 yr old tush, asking to be violated.



Had this chick in only a towel at 3 AM in my flat. Talk about dropping the ball LOL. The point is I really do not need to be reported for any sort of sexual misdemeanour here and thrown in a jail with ukrainian dudes.

All manosphere advice on FSU suggested that a girl like this, giving me big IOIs, almost broke, no hot water in her flat, unemployed 20 yr old boyfriend etc would be trying to work me (loaded, decent looking western guy who can give presents worth half her monthly salary) into a relationship. But no it seems that even here in shit poor Ukraine, girls this age are still not taking the pragmatic route and are going with "true love". I call this the Gossip Girl/Romantic comedy disease that 1950s and earlier girls weren't infected with. Shame true love isn't warming up her shower water.

All these pics are going down in 24hrs for the sake of discretion. I just want you to get an idea of the girls I am working here.

mmmmm, vorkuta, that girl looks like she's hiding something. very nice face, but she's a little wide.

She is realistic.About 28 years old.
The other girls the redhead and english teacher have professional photos from internet.(likely mamba.ru).It is also very clear from the descriptions that they expect money or offer to work in the West(modelling etc).

Alex how are you finding the conversations are going with the girls over there,I mean on dates? I ask because I just found that all the chicks were quite boring,don't say much,don't throw out much personality. Their saving feature is their beauty,if it was not for that I'd rather hang out with British girls. My trip just reminded me how dull and pretentious some of the Kiev girls are. Pleasant enough for sure but I never found them entertaining. What brought it home to me was the last couple of days I have been on a training course in England. There is a high % of girls on the course. And whilst they are not as hot as Ukrainian chicks in any way what so ever,they are ten times more fun to be with. The contrast of meeting so many Kiev chicks and then a day later meeting a lot of Brit girls has brought it home.

I know that is a heretical view on here that Western girls are fun but I just like bantering with them. In the FSU I forgive boring girls because they are smoking hot but I'm starting to revise whether or not I should. I'm sure Kiev chicks do have personality but since we have to communicate in what is for them a second language it restricts enjoyable conversation so much. My game revolves around constant teasing then pulling them in,then teasing them again,pulling in,until I move onto rapport. It's fun because the girls give as good as they get but in the FSU my game becomes so much less about game and more about generic conversations that I get nothing from. I don't get the same satisfaction of using my brain to game a girl over there,it becomes more about being a cool guy and not fucking it up. Honest question: have you been on a date yet and afterwards reminisced about something funny that happened or something genuinely interesting the girl said? It never happened to me.

I'm starting to think I'd rather go out for a date with an English 6 then a Ukrainian 8 because my night would be so much more enjoyable.

Quote: (09-26-2012 07:18 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

She is realistic.About 28 years old.
The other girls the redhead and english teacher have professional photos from internet.(likely mamba.ru).It is also very clear from the descriptions that they expect money or offer to work in the West(modelling etc).

Not mamba. You don't get quality like that on mamba so please don't overinflate expectations of what RVFers can get online. Mamba is giving me girls who are showing IOIs through the roof but the quality is appreciably less than through other means. Ask yourself what level of girl needs to go to mamba. Had a mamba date with a 7 last night who was so feminine and so into me (even got to hand holding and kiss) that I am considering seeing her again. Too many girls, too little time sadly.

The real quality 8+ in Kiev is only available through hard grind on the streets or via preselection into social networks.

Quote: (09-26-2012 07:11 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

mmmmm, vorkuta, that girl looks like she's hiding something. very nice face, but she's a little wide.

No I don't think she is wide. I like them super skinny so she is stronger then I like but she isn't tubby.

Here is a better photo to judge.

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That ass photo is amazing Alex. Fcuk!

Quote: (09-26-2012 06:23 AM)gadabout Wrote:  

Nice timing. Kiev was next on my list but I want to see how things go here in Moscow first before I decide.
Been here a couple of days and so far the girls that speak English (about 30%) are very receptive. Some of them have formally introduced themselves within a few minutes of the interaction without me asking. I have 2 numbers but no dates lined up yet. Going to try some bar game tonight.
Will watch this thread carefully to see if anyone has actually had any success?!
(I orginally joined the NN forum just because it was more native to me. However it's just guys bragging about lays all the time. It's really tedious. I don't need people to tell people about my success... only when it all goes tits up do I feel the need to tell guys about it : )
Nice to see some honest posts on here)

Here here. That forum is just a massive bragfest and gets really boring. Who cares about how many bangs some dude on the internet you never met is getting (if its even true). Reading about the highs and lows of someones whole journey into a foreign land to try and bang the best poon possible, now that to me is interesting.

Keep up the good work BAB.

In honour of Greek Kamaki and his ass photos,a couple of Kiev asses from this weekend:

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Quote: (09-26-2012 05:54 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

Just so you boys can get an idea of my 0 - 10 calibration, and because I know you're all dirty perverts who live vicariously, this here is the 9 I am working on (shes in the middle, creepy beta orbiter on the right)



Would bang.



Not everyones idea of a 9 to be sure, but at 20 years of age, this is the type of girl I got into game for.

Alex, your girl in the middle looks great and good luck with her. Though, I am kind of partial to her girlfriend on the left. She looks like she could give a "mean" blow job.

Quote: (09-26-2012 06:21 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 05:58 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 05:45 AM)polish rumble Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 04:50 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Buy her a present of 200 euro and you will decrease the one month to one day.

Fuck no, I'd never spend 200 euro for a present to get laid, pay for the dinner, cinema or whatever, buy some roses if you want to, but If you sense that she has appetite for more tell her to fuck off.

BTW, I really like your report, It's accurate and honest, that's why I knew Deb was trollin, I'll never ever believe that someone is banging 8s and 9s in Ukraine without knowing russian and spending sometimes serious money, no matter how 'hot' he is.

Ironically I'm actually in regular email contact with Deb and can confirm that hes a good guy. I have no doubt hes banging 6s and 7s but I dont see him banging 8+s. Google translate bangs ROFL. My wingman did land his LTR here (7-7.5) via google translate dates but I it is clearly an extreme exception and not the rule.

I will be happy to meet him though he claims he doesn't use any game at all. Must be one handsome loaded mofo.

deb never really said he was banging a bunch of 8s.

Also, banging 8s anywhere is fucking tough. If you bang a new 8 every month, that is excellent, no matter where you are.

I think Deb adds a point or 2 if the girls are under 18.

@BigAlexBoss - first girl is a 10 in my book, mate. Second girl (redhead) a 9.
Don't measure potential presents for such girls as a % of average Ukrainian salary. These girls are not average, they would not date average guys, and they would not give up their pussies for an average present.
A friend of mine had a curious theory about whey these girls are not quick to give it up - something that you are seeing yourself.
He was reasoning, a western girl has her career, her condo, her car, her LVMH bag, and many other (what she considers) assets. So her pussy, while also being an asset, may also be viewed as just a tool for her entertainment, and she uses it as such.
However, for poor and pretty EE girls the only assets they have is their pussy, the one and only valuable thing in their lives. So of course they hold it dear and don't give it up just like any Murcan bar slut.

I'm glad guys are posting pictures. this isn't bragging at all. It's just part of being a dude who gets girls. showing some results. It's edifying for the community of guys here to see what kind of girls they are dealing with.

Quote: (09-26-2012 07:39 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 06:21 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 05:58 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 05:45 AM)polish rumble Wrote:  

Quote: (09-26-2012 04:50 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Buy her a present of 200 euro and you will decrease the one month to one day.

Fuck no, I'd never spend 200 euro for a present to get laid, pay for the dinner, cinema or whatever, buy some roses if you want to, but If you sense that she has appetite for more tell her to fuck off.

BTW, I really like your report, It's accurate and honest, that's why I knew Deb was trollin, I'll never ever believe that someone is banging 8s and 9s in Ukraine without knowing russian and spending sometimes serious money, no matter how 'hot' he is.

Ironically I'm actually in regular email contact with Deb and can confirm that hes a good guy. I have no doubt hes banging 6s and 7s but I dont see him banging 8+s. Google translate bangs ROFL. My wingman did land his LTR here (7-7.5) via google translate dates but I it is clearly an extreme exception and not the rule.

I will be happy to meet him though he claims he doesn't use any game at all. Must be one handsome loaded mofo.

deb never really said he was banging a bunch of 8s.

Also, banging 8s anywhere is fucking tough. If you bang a new 8 every month, that is excellent, no matter where you are.

I think Deb adds a point or 2 if the girls are under 18.

I think we should just stop mentioning Deb altogether. He was obviously full of shit and mentioning him gives him some kind of credence which could mislead some people into thinking the Ukraine really is a pussy paradise and you only need Google translate to bang. I've got nothing against the guy personally and no doubt he is a nice chap but he was tooling us for sure. Leave him to the Naughty Nomad forum where him and Mixx and Van of Victory can take part in their mutual dick waiving competition.

Quote: (09-25-2012 05:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Amazing report, +1... this is very similar to my experience. None of that "Google Translate easy bangs" bullshit.

Ukraine is hard. It was the hardest out of my 11 country tour with the worst ROI even though it's a "poor" country. It's becoming clear that Ukraine is for adventurers with game balls of steel. None of that "I'm going to bar to have a couple drinks and spit some game" shit. You gotta work for the pussy here and not knowing Russian is like driving blind.

Ukraine is definitely not beginners.

With all due respect Roosh this is true for 90% of foreigners in Ukraine, but the girls here view white European and English men as gods.

It is the sole reason that Alex has gotten this far. His passport.

The girls here are completely disillusioned with their country.
80% of them want out (excluding the 9s and 10s) and they dream of a future in Western Europe.

Where else can a moderately handsome 32 year old foreigner score dates with 2 stunners through a social network website (and get them home) and pick up a hot girl in a convenience store just because he was overheard speaking English.

I dont see where the struggle is for Alex from reading these case studies. He should be rapt.

He's dating the same girls i am and im a native Russian speaker with genuine reasons for being in Kiev.

Yes Ukraine is not a walk in the park for 90% of foreigners but for the men from England, Holland, Belgium, Austria, Germany or Scandanavia it is very close to that.

Its just that the girls arent sluts and require a prolonged dating process. One must spend 3 weeks in any city.

Mediterannean, American or Australian guys would never have gotten such a response rate from VK or mamba.

BAB - those ladies look tasty. As for teacher chick, I think I will agree with Kamaki here and suggest something more than flowers but not spending 200 euros. You are in Kiev and plane loads of men have been trolling that city for years.
Also not sure how much time you have there, time might not be on your side so a gift could fast forward the process.

Vorkuta - your gal is very nice.

Quote: (09-25-2012 04:55 PM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

I was originally going to Kharkov as a juicy looking Tier 2 that received good reviews on RVF, but then correspondence with Rooshey who had stayed there previously (I expect all will be revealed in Bang Ukraine) warned me off it due to the appalling levels of English and general shithole nature of the place.

Kiev is a less risky choice than kharkov, but you may or may not like kharkov more. if you do well with ethnically russian girls in kiev (about half of the girls in kiev are ethnically russian), then i think you'll enjoy kharkov very much. for me, i like kharkov for having a higher concentration of students, it's cheaper than kiev, and as a westerner, i'm more exotic here. yes, it's a bit of a shithole.

Removed the girls photos as I promised to, because they are actively being worked and I am still here. The quality has been confirmed by several regulars and though we may be unrepentant pussy hounds, I like to protect the girls privacy and not stray too much to the dark side.

I'll actually be meeting Wolf tomorrow to swap observations and much looking forward to it, but to answer his question, I am a perfectionist and until I have the bang in the bag, I can't be fully satisfied. It is true I am doing pretty damn good for a first crack at Ukraine with shit Russian but then again I always knew my attraction verbal game and comfort were very very strong.

Also Wolfey speaks native Russian, and hes Australian so his view as to the ease of the laying quality girls here is slightly skewed. Speaking perfect Russian AND English with a western passport is like having a SUPERPOWER that 99.9% of RVFers will not have in FSU. No doubt Kamaki has an easier time also due to his decent Russian.

It is simply incomparable to what I have to do - in the very unlikely case my target speaks conversational English, the fact that I speak very poor Russian puts me in with all the other sex tourist goons. I have done everything to minimise the sex tourist vibe but I need to break that important barrier as well before I can even get into attraction work. Tough. Wolf I expect opens in perfect Russian thus overcoming sex tourist defence, gets things rolling and then briefly segues into perfect English to DHV massively and check if she speaks English. From there game on.

Will do an update here tomorrow morning about blonde shy girl and various other tips I have picked up here. I have enormous respect for the guys like Roosh that can be pounding out multiple dates night after night in a completely foreign country with often little reward - Wolf invited me out to nightgame and I have had to go to bed early because I am tired from the marathon comfort session I just ran with blonde shy girl.

Good luck Alex. Pulling for you mate.