Quote: (08-29-2012 01:38 AM)Seduction Sutra Wrote:  

Quote: (08-28-2012 08:15 PM)snoop Wrote:  

Should you be offended if she likes you for your looks?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your personality?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your voice and speaking ability?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your bedroom ability?

You are missing the point. Guys are afraid subconsciously that girls will leave them if shit happens, that's why we have OP's question.

Guys need to get over it.

I may want a particular woman. I may love a particular woman, but I'm never afraid that any particular woman is going to leave. Let her. As long as I have the ability to attract more, there's no one special flower who I would demean myself to chase after.

My attention, my affection, my love is conditional.

If I had a lot of money I would be an absolute fucking terror. I would bang. Then I would bang her family, friends and co workers. An unstoppable freight train of pussy destruction. I was there once and on the comeback trail right now.

Who cares why or what it's what you're doing and want that matters. As a player you use every tool in the box and cash is the hammer!

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:00 AM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

OP is talking about a LTR. How much of a gold digger the women is matters. otherwise we'd all be fucking hookers

You are foolish if you think that there is some magical women who will be in a LTR and doesn't on some level care about your money. At the very least they want to know you aren't gonna be a burden to them.

How many homeless dudes have you seen with a halfway decent chick? And to quote Chappelle, "If a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box he wouldn't buy a house"

Use it to your advantage, get your pussy, and bounce

/thread

I think we need to draw a line between girls that like you more without realizing it, and girls who consciously look for more money.

A women who consciously justifies screening for high income earners is an absolute timebomb

Considering women will not like you at all without money, I wouldn't be offended if they like you for having it.

Money hungry hookers are every where!

Quoting myself ftw.

Quote: (11-15-2011 09:19 PM)dulst Wrote:  

Money is a status symbol, just like a sharp suit or a 9 inch dick.

Given that I lack those three, my status symbol is being in a band - and I have got laid as a direct result of it.

I believe any man would date a girl who loved him for his status symbol, be it money, attire, or whatever, but the line should be where she tries to control it. I'd never let a bitch in love with money spend my money, just as I'd never let a band whore critique my music, or a fashion whore tell me how to dress.

It's a question of retaining control of what they love you for.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-80...18772.html

Not really. Signs of status and power are desirable to women. And it's pretty easy to know if the girl is just with you because of your money.

You'll never be able to separate the two. If you've got a house already in the bay area you're well off and should pull girls in their 20's on the regular.

Having money is like a shove over the edge if you're good. If I went back to being poor my notches would come down 50%+.

No different than looks, status, etc. It's all part of who you are as an attractive man. Simply take what the ideal man is and strive to be that, your game will get better and better.

Money is power, girls love power. That's why paying for shit is not beta, you pay because you hold the cards you reframe it like "this is my life this is what I do when I do it and you know you want to be a part of it".

Game, looks, status all equal acros the board girl will leave you for the guy with all three + cash.

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The former Genoa man also went on to explain about his love life, saying: “The moment I got to Serie A, my sex life multiplied by 10. I use Facebook to pick up all my women. You find so much stuff on the internet.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/201...l-shaarawy

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Love spoke openly of his womanising past in an interview given to the April edition of Playboy Brasil, to whom he revealed that he lost his virginity at the age of 14 to a 25-year-old girlfriend.

When asked if group sex occurred between players and their female admirers, Love replied with an emphatic yes.

"Does it happen? Now I am married, but [orgies] do happen. If there were six men, we would say that we were going to have eight women, more or less," the star explained.

"The [groupies] want to take advantage. They want to get a footballer and then talk about it to their friends: 'Hey, I was with this guy, I was with that guy'. There is a lot of competition between them. They all want status and a little bit of fame."

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"You can still do it. At home, in restaurants or in shopping malls there is always heating, so no problem. The issue is out in the street. I did not mess around doing that in the street because I'm not tough enough to do it when it is -27, -30°C."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/584/brazil/2...men-we-had

For anybody out there who still doubts that fame is THE pussy moistener par excellence...

I know the score as well as anyone else here, but it still bothers me deep down to read these kinds of stories. Are attractive women so miserably bored with their lives that they actually get a rush from telling their friends that they got fucked by a famous guy? That's so fucking daft, it just doesn't compute.

What's the difference between them fucking a rich or famous guy and us sending photos of hot bitches we've fucked?

We're all animals that want different things, women prefer fame status and money. We prefer boobs, ass, and sex skills.

Our want of a "hot chick" is just as confusing to them as they dont understand why "we don't care about their careers"

Let her fuck you for your money of she doesn't get it, and you can fuck her because she is hot and tell her you love her "personality". It is what it is.

Quote: (09-04-2012 11:49 AM)captaingeneric Wrote:  

I know the score as well as anyone else here, but it still bothers me deep down to read these kinds of stories. Are attractive women so miserably bored with their lives that they actually get a rush from telling their friends that they got fucked by a famous guy? That's so fucking daft, it just doesn't compute.

I'll admit that I get depressed when a girl likes me only because of my game. Stuff like "she flaked on me, so I ignored her instead of checking what happened to her, got her to contact me, got her on another date and banged", where a game maneuver (cool response to flaking) made 100% of the difference between her despising me and adoring me and screaming my name while being pounded. It shouldn't, but it's depressing in a way, knowing that it depends on such a small and shallow thing.

I've always been a nice guy who fantasized that girls would like him because he was nice, noble, generous, kind and whatnot (of course, that never happened). I know that it was an illusion but, still, getting over that has been really hard.

I'd call that a honest woman.

Quote: (09-04-2012 02:06 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

What's the difference between them fucking a rich or famous guy and us sending photos of hot bitches we've fucked?

I've never understood this kind of attitude from either guys or girls. What benefit is accrued from partaking in this kind of attention-whoring behavior?

The main difference though is that most guys understand that sex with a hot girl is its own reward. You don't fuck a hot girl because you can't wait to use it as a conversation piece during brunch tomorrow. You fuck a hot girl because she makes your dick hard and you can't wait to bust a nut inside of her. Sure you might talk about it, but that was never the point. Girls on the other hand sometimes look like they're just searching for a story to tell.

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Let her fuck you for your money of she doesn't get it, and you can fuck her because she is hot and tell her you love her "personality". It is what it is.

Fucking for money =/= Fucking for the sake of fucking a famous guy. The first is rational behavior. The second is rooted in a pitiable psyche crying for attention.

I suppose I'm puzzled by all of this for the same reason I'm puzzled with women's obsession with handbags and other bullshit. These little props just sit there. WTF do they actually DO for you?

I stand by my original comment. Hot girls are just deeply bored with their lives. Roissy nailed it recently:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/08/2...irl-crazy/

Too much prosperity. Nothing would help the collective spirit of the west more than complete economic collapse.

Women like men with money, the same way men like women with great bodies.

Its a feature, he has a nice personality and loads of cash, you wouldn't be offended cause she likes your personality, money is part of who you are.

So don't be offended, enjoy all the sex your wealth is bringing you!

Quote: (09-04-2012 02:13 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I'll admit that I get depressed when a girl likes me only because of my game. Stuff like "she flaked on me, so I ignored her instead of checking what happened to her, got her to contact me, got her on another date and banged", where a game maneuver (cool response to flaking) made 100% of the difference between her despising me and adoring me and screaming my name while being pounded. It shouldn't, but it's depressing in a way, knowing that it depends on such a small and shallow thing.

That's really interesting. I've never thought about it, but I feel the same way.

Maybe try to turn the game off for a little and see how it goes. You might be surprised that they do like you even without the game. Either that, or the game is part of you. So she does like you for you. Same result, really.

I'm with the person on the first page. ONS or fuckbuddy, fine. LTR, no way.

Quote: (09-04-2012 03:10 PM)captaingeneric Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2012 02:06 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

What's the difference between them fucking a rich or famous guy and us sending photos of hot bitches we've fucked?

I've never understood this kind of attitude from either guys or girls. What benefit is accrued from partaking in this kind of attention-whoring behavior?

The main difference though is that most guys understand that sex with a hot girl is its own reward. You don't fuck a hot girl because you can't wait to use it as a conversation piece during brunch tomorrow. You fuck a hot girl because she makes your dick hard and you can't wait to bust a nut inside of her. Sure you might talk about it, but that was never the point. Girls on the other hand sometimes look like they're just searching for a story to tell.

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Let her fuck you for your money of she doesn't get it, and you can fuck her because she is hot and tell her you love her "personality". It is what it is.

Fucking for money =/= Fucking for the sake of fucking a famous guy. The first is rational behavior. The second is rooted in a pitiable psyche crying for attention.

I suppose I'm puzzled by all of this for the same reason I'm puzzled with women's obsession with handbags and other bullshit. These little props just sit there. WTF do they actually DO for you?

I stand by my original comment. Hot girls are just deeply bored with their lives. Roissy nailed it recently:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/08/2...irl-crazy/

Too much prosperity. Nothing would help the collective spirit of the west more than complete economic collapse.

We all start trying to understand women by first using introspection. But of course we get puzzled that way, because women are so different.

Status to them means so much more then it does to men. Men use status to get women, but women use status among other women. I imagine it's been evelotionarily important for girls to be of high status because it allows them to garner greater resources for their children.

Have you noticed how women form social hierarchies, in a similar way as do men? Similar, but not the same. Mens hierarchies are based on ability and merit, while womens are based on the ability and merit of their men, as measured by status displays. The girl with the most expensive perfume is deffered to. Her OPINIONS mean more, because of her handbag.

Women used to have a very strong say in who their sons and daughters married. If she was high status, she'd expect a higher status (wealthier) bride or groom for her offspring.

For women status is social positioning, and social positioning is hugely important. They are clan creatures, and lack the independence of spirit and the ability to make their way in the world by themselves that men have. They rely on RELATIVE positioning, and use symbols to help prove their position.

And of course their looks - their primary asset.

Shit as long as you're fuckin her who cares?
But re. LTR material, the more a girl likes me for my money, belongings, etc., the more I treat her like those same belongings she likes. Call it the "vanity-scale..'

Obviously, to some extent, you want to avoid being a bum financially if you expect to keep an 7.5-9.5 on the chain for long.

However, I would just consider a nice house, car, etc. props that tell your story. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now if you use those props more so as tools to live life more freely and really maximize their value in a relationship ... well that's a different story. might make a good lure(s), but you'd better be able to back it up other ways if you expect to have anything monogamous with the girl..

The girl I'm with right now has seen doctors, local real estate moguls, etc. And while I'm not wealthy like they are... I put it down like no one she has ever met.. I know it, she knows it.. n the prospect of loosing me for that, isn't appealing to her. She knows my earning potential.. but being with me also pushes her to be more than she is now because I have notable drive in her eyes...

When you're with a woman who is attracted to you for money, belongings, etc. to any high percentage.. say 34% or more.. It will be easier to loose her (sole attention to you) than if she likes you 80%+ for your personality and some combination of looks ta boot.

Inversely, it would be much easier for me to fuck your wife, LTR, short-term squeeze, if what she is attracted to you for is your money, belongings, & status from my experience.

Let's face it we all go after people for some reason and that reason is rarely true love. For things to work out in the long run there has to be more than just the initial superficial reason.

I also hate to say it but most women, especially when they hit the point where they want a family or need someone to support them place financial stability (money) over almost all else. Let's all be honest, if it weren't for women who go after guys for money the travel section of this site would probably loose about 95% of the posts.

The trick in life is being humble enough to accept this fact and rational enough to realize what the people you are with really want for you and taking advantage of that or at least keeping yourself from being taken advantage of.

If after 20 years of marriage my wife told me she was only with me for the money, I would probably smile and think to myself that I only started messing with her because she had a phat ass.

With women it's not about love OR money. Women love pragmatically. They will experience the genuine emotion of love more readily if the man has money.

As men don't love women more if they have more resources, this is alien to us. We often think it wrong. Most men think it unbelievable.

It's a naive view that ascribes to women male emotions. Women love differently. To a woman, a fat wallet is like big tits are to a man. Attraction and real emotions get caused.

The usual caveats again being that you have to leverage the money into relative social advantage and lifestyle gains for maximum effect.

This is a pretty simple test of a man's familiarity with women and his theory of mind for women. If a man thinks that a subset of women are "gold diggers" and the rest are more interested in "true love", he doesn't know HOW women love. Women don't love either the man or his money, they love the man who has money.

To women, money is a personality trait. Or a physical trait, like being handsome. It isn't a separate thing. Would you still love a woman if she got fat and lost her looks? Maybe. Would a woman still love you after you lose your job? Maybe.

And of course there are many attractive traits, and attractive traits are additive. You don't need money as one of them in order to be attractive enough, but that doesn't mean that money is not an attractive trait. You can be a micro-dicked lousy lay and still have women coming back for more, but that doesn't mean that being nicely endowed and a mind blowing lay isn't more attractive. Just because it's not essential, doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Money matters to chicks. Especially for LTRs.

In the defense of women, I can understand why they'd be more attracted to men with money.

I mean, blatant gold diggers are pretty out of hand, but to me it makes sense that a woman should want to be around a guy who has his shit together. Women are drawn to men who have power - not necessarily power over other people but power over their own world, and I can't blame them for that draw. Money is the ultimate tool for controlling one's own reality in the modern world; it's a storing vessel of power and an indicator of how much you lay claim to.

Sure, you can choose another path in life and live by other values, maybe even choosing to live in poverty, and still control your own reality to a certain extent and get laid like a boss with the right game.

But money is a pretty consistent indicator that a man is on top of things. From there she can filter based on other criteria. I personally give all but the most extreme cases, where it becomes their main priority, a pass on this.

You know how we sometimes say that women who say "You're not fat, Deary! Your curves are sexy!" are really just cock-blocking each other?

It just occurred to me this morning that guys who say "Money doesn't increase attraction" are also deep down, unconsciously cock-blocking their competition.

"Money isn't important. You don't NEED that. Focus on going out clubbing every night." (He he he. My dastardly plan is working. In ten or twenty years he won't have developed any capitol and will be no competition for me in the older man's mating market.)

There is a life strategy that involves delay of gratification, and consolidating and increasing your power base. Some people view it as obsessive and greedy. Accumulation for the sake of it. This attitude of wealth accumulation and delayed gratification leads to personal power.

Guys who advocate that such accumulation is not attractive, or not necessary, are really just cock-blocking. We all know that success at the game of accumulation is sexy to women.

Deny it to boost your own confidence, to excuse your own laziness and ineffectiveness at winning at that game, or deny it to keep other men from playing that game to the best of their ability. "Real men don't care if you're fat. It's what's on the inside that counts!" "Only gold diggers go after a guys money. They aren't even interested in the real you."

Or don't deny it, play the game, accumulate, and learn how to use the power of wealth as one more of many tools of attraction.