[Urban Renaissance Man]

I don't think most men relish the idea of a woman liking them because of how much money they make. I mean, in countries where a man is P4Ping or using his status to attract, it's not a big deal, and ever preferred, since there's no emotional investment, but for girlfriend purposes it's generally not desired that a woman is with you for your money.

I have noticed in my own situations that women act differently once they realize I'm doing OK for myself. (Trust me, I'm by no means rich, but in this economy, it doesn't take much to be doing better than most!) I can remember just recently where two different girls were acting somewhat on the fence about their feelings for me, only to warm up noticably once I invited them over to my nicely furnished house. (Anyone having knowledge of the housing/rental market of the Bay area, and Marin County in particular knows that it DHV just to have a house!) Now, at first that somewhat insulted me, but as I thought about it I became less insulted and more unsure about how I should look at it. I mean, they're just doing what they've been told by their mothers. "Find a man that can take care for you, or at least not take away from you." It's also what most societies have taught women for the last 5,000 years at least. "Find a man that can support you, hunt for you, farm for you, plunder for you" or whatever. So, is a girl wrong for liking a guy in part because of his money? Is she wrong for feeling so so about you initially, only to warm up once she sees the Samsung 55" OLED TV, and authentic Persian rug? Would she be wrong if she was crazy about you initially, only to cool off once she sees you drive an '95 Cavalier and live with mom? Where does prudent female mate selection leave off, and gold digging begin?

[WanderingSoul]

No, because I like them in full because of their pussy. They ain't getting any of my money anyways. I don't really care why they like me.

[Greek kamaki]

I have heard from girls ''I was with him only for the money.''A girl has told me ''I am with you not only for the money.''Another woman has told me''do not be naive.Girls are not interested in you as a person at all.They are interested in your job,your descendancy and your property.''
Anyway girls rationalize so much that you will get crazy trying to find justifications for their actions.

[AntiTrace]

Would you be upset if a women liked you because you were 6'6" with model looks?

Different factors play into attraction. Money and the comfort it can provided being one of those. It isn't always the money though, it is the realization that you are responsible enough to take care of yourself and not rely on others (like the dude living with his mom).

My current girlfriend was not crazy about when we met. She told me a couple weeks into being together that "half the reason she returned my call was because of my job" and asked me if that made me mad. My answer was a solid "No." My job is a reflection of myself and is something I have worked hard to obtain. Therefore the reason was not simply my job, it was what I stood for and what I accomplished in life.

[polymath]

If a girl likes you because you have stuff, that's cool. She and women like her are the spoils of success.

If a girl likes you because you give her stuff, that's lame. Her affection is not a condition of what you have, but what she can get, and your relationship will always be dependent on it.

However, if you buy something for a girl that brings you genuinely closer to her, like a thoughtful gift or tickets to something where you can have a nice time, then that has utility and can be a good thing.

Anyone who says you don't have to give women something in order to receive their attraction, is missing the point that game in general is a way of giving a woman the opportunity to be with a sexy ans valuable man. But if you have status and wealth, a nice place to live, a relaxing lifestyle, and so forth, then why put in the work to game the chick when she'll already be auto-gamed by your circumstances?

I notice the same when I tell girls I go to MIT, their attitude changes. It's not because I have money, or even earning potential, but because it shows I have my shit together. I think that to an extent, women seek this in a man, and your house shows that you have your shit together. Rock it.

Aliblahbla posted something about how he makes sure to clean up, fold laundry, etc when he brings women to his place for the first time. Same deal, I think. Women respect a man who has his shit together.

At the end of the day, society runs on our backs and we are the providers and fighters. Many men in the USA seem to have forgotten this, and they wonder why women are bitches to them even though they lack jobs, money, an education, skills, cleverness, strength, and other characteristics of value. Even beauty is a distant second to these qualities.

So, it is a natural and good thing for women to be responsive to the positive aspects of your lifestyle.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(08-26-2012 03:41 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Would you be upset if a women liked you because you were 6'6" with model looks?

Different factors play into attraction. Money and the comfort it can provided being one of those. It isn't always the money though, it is the realization that you are responsible enough to take care of yourself and not rely on others (like the dude living with his mom).

My current girlfriend was not crazy about when we met. She told me a couple weeks into being together that "half the reason she returned my call was because of my job" and asked me if that made me mad. My answer was a solid "No." My job is a reflection of myself and is something I have worked hard to obtain. Therefore the reason was not simply my job, it was what I stood for and what I accomplished in life.

OK, very well put. I do have to take into consideration that she said, "Half" the reason she took your call is because of your job. Which, if I'm reading you right, means she was interested in other things beyond that. I think that part is essential, since if you happen to lose your job, she could be out in less than 6 months! But no, I wouldn't mind if a girl liked me because I was handsome and tall. And honestly, I wouldn't care if that's mostly why she liked me, but it will most likely take more than that to keep her for the long haul. You make good points overall!

[Samseau]

If not your money, the girl will like you for some other superficial reason. What difference does it make?

[j r]

As a general rule, you shouldn't be offended by anything that a woman says or does.

[Enfant_Terrible]

As long as I get to pound it, I'm good

[Duke Castile]

I don't see any real issue with it. Your success is part of the person you are. At least it's an attribute. We only want to get to know most women because of their looks.

In the movie Wolf with Jack Nickelson he tells Michele Pfiefer something along the lines of "You're a beautiful woman, and I'm sure deep down you really wish someone would notice that girl you are on the inside and get to know her, but the only reason anyone would put up with all that trouble to get to know you in the first place is because you are beautiful".

[Urban Renaissance Man]

I distinctly remember that scene in "wolf", and remember thinking, "That's powerful shit!" So true!

(08-26-2012 04:20 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I don't see any real issue with it. Your success is part of the person you are. At least it's an attribute. We only want to get to know most women because of their looks.

In the movie Wolf with Jack Nickelson he tells Michele Pfiefer something along the lines of "You're a beautiful woman, and I'm sure deep down you really wish someone would notice that girl you are on the inside and get to know her, but the only reason anyone would put up with all that trouble to get to know you in the first place is because you are beautiful".

[MrXY]

Wolf is an excellent beta to alpha transformation film.

Of course you shouldn't worry if a girl likes the fact that you are financially successful- women are hardwired to look for resource providers.

Should a girl be offended if you like her in part because she has a pretty face?

[lurker123123]

to what degree matters. theres hardcore gold diggers and then women who simply want a guy who can hold his own. the biggest materialistic status whores are probably not good for the long term

[UrbanNerd]

Well....I have posted my "game" before. I use the "beta provider" angle heavily. I dump them before they can get any of my money.

[SnakeEyes]

I would say the difference between the two comes when she becomes demanding about what you provide. In my opinion it's all about the attitude. Does she reciprocate in other ways or does she just come over, have sex, leave, repeat.

If a girl was coming over, cooking me dinner in my house to treat me, then that's a nice reciprocation. If you're much better off than her, than obviously she couldn't reciprocate with wealth in the way you can. So, the subtle cues are to watch for how giving she is in other ways (not sex).

[markus]

All women want men for their money and status. If a woman--any woman--had to choose between you and a guy exactly like you with a lot more money, who do you think she would choose? It doesn't matter why they want you.

[jdelisi]

When i was in my early twenties i got stood up hard on a date. I pulled to a girls house in my beat up honda. Her sister came to the door and said she was not there, when we had definite plans. Years later i figured it out, when she saw my car she told her sister to say she was not home.

Now i pull up in my lexus.

[snoop]

Should you be offended if she likes you for your looks?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your personality?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your voice and speaking ability?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your bedroom ability?

[Seduction Sutra]

(08-28-2012 08:15 PM)snoop Wrote:  

Should you be offended if she likes you for your looks?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your personality?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your voice and speaking ability?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your bedroom ability?

You are missing the point. Guys are afraid subconsciously that girls will leave them if shit happens, that's why we have OP's question.

[Seduction Sutra]

Good. Next time pull a Ferrari.

(08-28-2012 07:35 PM)jdelisi Wrote:  

When i was in my early twenties i got stood up hard on a date. I pulled to a girls house in my beat up honda. Her sister came to the door and said she was not there, when we had definite plans. Years later i figured it out, when she saw my car she told her sister to say she was not home.

Now i pull up in my lexus.

[Moma]

I think Snoop has a valid point. I was listening to another guy mention something about women who like men for money and he said he doesn't mind them because as soon as her looks fade to any degree, he will trade her in for a newer lizard.

Women are going to like you for something. Some women might like you for your race. They may like you for being a foreigner.

Understand that people are usually looking for some kind of gain in a relationship.

You may be friends with some guy cos he's really cool or really fun or he is a great wing when hunting.

As long as you get something from that relationship, be cool with it.

OP fears that will they still be with him when his money runs out? Maybe not. But if your penis falls off, will she still be as happy when it was there?
There is always something.

[Seduction Sutra]

(08-29-2012 02:46 AM)Moma Wrote:  

OP fears that will they still be with him when his money runs out? Maybe not. But if your penis falls off, will she still be as happy when it was there?

The chances of your penis fails is very minimal as compared to the chances of you losing wealth especially in this day and age.

[mental]

LTR: maybe.
ONS: no.

[snoop]

(08-29-2012 01:38 AM)Seduction Sutra Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 08:15 PM)snoop Wrote:  

Should you be offended if she likes you for your looks?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your personality?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your voice and speaking ability?

Should you be offended if she likes you for your bedroom ability?

You are missing the point. Guys are afraid subconsciously that girls will leave them if shit happens, that's why we have OP's question.

First, all those things I listed can also go south for a person as well.
But I don't think this question exists because of that though.

I think the question is based on the idea that using money is somehow "beneath" other methods of getting women, which is completely fucked in the head IMO. Nobody says anything about how buying your food instead of growing your own is "just buying what you want"

I believe that attitude comes mostly from guys without money who are trying to build up an ego defense mechanism as much as anything else. You rarely if ever hear guys with money talking about how they are pissed women like them for their money. It is almost always the dudes getting beat out b/c their game isn't good enough to compete with the cash.

[lurker123123]

OP is talking about a LTR. How much of a gold digger the women is matters. otherwise we'd all be fucking hookers