After reading much of the material on here i can't help but think that as a kid living in a single parent household raised by my mum that i've been brought up to become a beta-type male.
All the advice my mother gave to me on women was full of crap and the usual "Treat women with the utmost respect", "No sex before marriage" and so on.... basically in fewer words, become a simp and develop a personality that will let women walk all over you.

Even though i do see my dad from time to time his input has been minimal especially seeing as he's somewhat of a beta too with his dominant wife lol.

It's a shame my mum didn't let me hang around my uncles and i sort of see why from her point of view, there somewhat alpha males who are notorious for having game and being ladies men and with that im guessing my mother didn't want me around that, didn't want me around guy who are known to use do well with women and at the same time known for using them loosely, something she didn't want passing on to me.

Any fellas out there who feel like they've been raised to become a beta male through their circumstances of living in a single parent household being brought up by their mothers.

I think it's more than just that, but it's certainly a contributing factor. I was raised by a single mom and my sister and saw my dad about once a month, and even then he was pretty distant. I definitely didn't have any strong male role models, and looking back on myself I definitely had some effeminate qualities that had to be purged from my system.

My mom never gave me any bullshit advice with girls, but it was simply a matter of being in a female-dominant household that affected me. I naturally grew up thinking men were weak, that I was weak, and that I should relinquish power to women. When I moved out when I was 18, it was a slow but gradual process to where I am today. Interestingly, if I were to draw a line graph indicating the manifestation of my natural male, dominant traits, it wouldn't be a straight line but an exponential growth curve. At the age of the 31, I feel like every year I become exponentially more polarized, more solidified, and more dominant in my beliefs and lifestyle.

I see what your saying. Im currently in the process of purging my beta type qualities but it's hard because i unconsciously go back to it in certain situation like i meet a girl at a bar and my immediate response is to compliment her and ask her if she want's a drink.

Mothers show a lot of solidarity to women and can sabotage our efforts sometimes.For example when I borught a girl my mother used to talk shit about me with her.I told her mother stop do not talk to her about me like that.She totally destroyed my frame.I mean to appear pleasant to girls they accuse their own boys.
However when the women insisted on meeting my mother I had to present them to her.(mother's response:You brought to me all the whores of the eastern Block!Cannot you find a decent Greek woman to marry?)

All the baddest toughest black dudes I know all were raised by single moms.

Single mothers is only one part of who you grow up to be. Whatever it is and whatever your past was, that doesn't mean your future has to be the same. You can change into whoever you want to be.

My mother is an odd woman. Very cool in one sense. Very controlling and overbearing in another. Guilt manipulation is her game of choice.

She never cared if I had male or female friends over the house. She would cook and feed everyone. She'd hand out beers to us underage.
I could have girls stay over in my bed anytime I wanted. She'd even make them breakfast in the morning and smoke with them outside.
It was great!!

She didn't start going all psycho until after I had a kid. She had her nose all up in my business all the time.

It depends. I was raised by my mother only.. My stepfather was a big time beta and the reason why their marriage ended (crazy how before taking the red pill I didnt know what happened between them and after taking the red pill everything makes sence) Anyways it all depends on how the child is raised. He could have been a good football player in high school causing him to have social proof and even thought he isnt a natural he would have that confidence that girls love. I know alphas that were raised without a father figure and became alpha just like there is that beta kid that was raised by both parents. If the child is raised by his own mother with no father figure or anybody that can teach him positive masculinity then it all comes down to how long it takes him to swallow the red pill either from life's harsh lessons or if he comes across to the manosphere and decides to wake up from this matrix we live on.

I've met more betas that were raised by both parents than just their mom.

^ No doubt not having a father around forces you to try and find that role a lot sooner. Most kinda of get twisted what it means to be a man and end up getting in a lot of trouble and causing shit. Plus the large chip they carry not having pops around a lot internalize traits and try to live up to them when the eventually have kids sometimes. I had both parents around by my pops was never around really. I was raised by my 2 sisters and my mom and they had more of a negative effect no doubt but I think its cause since my dad was "there" I did not go out seeking for roles and traits since I assumed they where there.

It didn't for me, but my mom is an old-school biker chick, so not your typical mom. She's harder than most guys I know. See Gemma from Sons of Anarchy, if you watch that show.

A lot of boys raised by single mothers are frequently given lines like, "I run this house!" "I do this for you!" "I do that for you!" etc. The boys are constantly playing into mom's provider frame, and continue playing into girls' frames once past their formative years.

Of course girls despise this, and it doesn't help that moms often give out advice like "Be respectful," "Wait for her," "Buy her flowers," "Buy her chocolate," etc. bullshit.

I think having an over-bearing mom and beta dad is much worse.


I know a couple of guys who had single moms. Met them all later in life. Some are helpless girls who never get laid. Some are pretty successful with women, tough, and charismatic. I can't tell you how each guy grew up, but I can tell you that the ones who are "alpha" probably reacted very differently to their situations than the ones who we would consider "beta".

Quote: (08-21-2012 10:57 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

I can't tell you how each guy grew up, but I can tell you that the ones who are "alpha" probably reacted very differently to their situations than the ones who we would consider "beta".

I really think it comes down to nature in addition to nurture.

The sons of single moms I know that grew up to be alpha, were always rebellious. Kids that wouldn't listen.

The sons of single moms I know that grew up to be beta, were generally obedient and studious. They often feared their mothers and more.

My theory - some guys are wired for alpha characteristics, other guys were wired for more beta characteristics. I think most of us are a blend of both, and that 'game' as a tool enhances who we already are (especially increasing our knowledge of alpha behavior).

I was brought up by my sisters, for the most part. My mom was a horrible bitch (still is) and my dad never really interacted with me too much. I still can't figure out if my dad is alpha or beta. I didn't grow up beta in the sense that I would roll over for women, but I never tried to initiate shit with them either.

I would say that it's much worse to be brought up in a family with a beta dad who is constantly abused by a domineering bitch wife. That shit gets internalized by the children forever. An upbringing like that allows people to believe (once they hit marriage age)

happy wife <=> happy life

fuck that shit

Quote: (08-21-2012 11:30 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

I really think it comes down to nature in addition to nurture.

I agree with that.

When comparing friends I've known my whole life, one guy stands out for having effortless asshole / don't give a fuck game. He's adopted.

I credit that to his biological parents (that he's never met). There must have been some strong player genes in there.

Real life can often create situations like that. The boy grows up with a single mom, but his essence is still mainly alpha due to the guy that impregnated his mom and didn't stick around.

Quote: (08-21-2012 12:59 AM)houston Wrote:  

I've met more betas that were raised by both parents than just their mom.

Agree, it's because of socio-economic reasons. Fact: Single parent households are poorer then average. Fact: children of both sexes raised in poorer households are more promiscuous then their wealthier counterparts.

Fact: children of both sexes raised in poorer households are more promiscuous then their wealthier counterparts.


I disagree with that, i've been raised around sluts who were middle class and raised by both parents... only difference is that they had this "lady in the street" demeanor about themselves while in private they loved chumping on dick 24/7.

Both poor and wealthier people are promiscuous, the latter are just more secretive with it and love portraying something their not..

IME men raised by women end up on the extremes. Either really effeminate b/c they had no male role models or else complete womanizers b/c they have a great understanding of women and know how to use it.

When I was a kid or toddler if I did any weak shit or acted like a pussy my father would snatch me up and force me into one of my sisters dresses.
"You want to act like a girl?" That's how you're going to dress from now on.

I have an ex who's mom runs the house and she wanted to try that shit with me her brother is a useless dude married to a fat girl and they're house is trashed inside. He just sits there and does nothing. The girl (ex) said to me one day "when we get married you'll never have more than a $50 in your pocket" Yea ok. Good luck with that.

Quote: (08-22-2012 08:19 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

When I was a kid or toddler if I did any weak shit or acted like a pussy my father would snatch me up and force me into one of my sisters dresses.
"You want to act like a girl?" That's how you're going to dress from now on.

My dad (beta) and my mom (whiny judgmental 'mememe!' bitch) didn't go that far, but they pushed me into sports, competition and expected me to do my best. My mom tried to hammer in some beta traits there, but I was always a little shit; fighting, playing 'doctor' with girls (got kicked out of pre-school for this, got kicked out of another for biting kids), running around, BMX, a bit of shoplifting, smoking and drinking at an early age...seeing how she treated my father during the separation just drove me further away from it.

Believe, if I have a son, and he wants to play with dolls, or he wants a pink room, or he chooses to get into gymnastics instead of hockey, I will never fail to remind him that he's acting like a little fag. I wouldn't love my kid any less if they turned out gay, but at the same time I'm not going to hamster it up into some ideal situation; it's massively more preferential to me that my kids are hetero.

My helmet-polisher of a younger cousin (came out last year, the fact that he would grow up to enjoy sucking cock was plainly evident to everyone in the family since he was like 7, there was a pool running for a while) was never given any such direction or guidance in this fashion, which is now why he's a bitchy, divaish, rainbow connection little queer (and my aunt and uncle, who did absolutely nothing to curb this behavior in his youth, and in fact indulged it, are not amused).

I being raised by my mother was sort of a bitch ass beta. But we lived in a neighborhood that frowned upon bitch asses. I fought a lot , grew some balls and eventually stopped listening to my mother... Like a rebel. Shoplifting , graffiti, drinking, all at 14. I wasn't fucking yet ... Still was a bitch ass with chicks.

Now? Because I know my mother so damn well , after swallowing the red pill, i basically use the wisdom I have from being around her so much, and read her behaviors. I intercept shit and damn near always say the "right" thing. We never argue and shit is smooth.
I can read other woman extremely well because of this as well.

Quote: (08-23-2012 12:50 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Quote: (08-22-2012 08:19 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

When I was a kid or toddler if I did any weak shit or acted like a pussy my father would snatch me up and force me into one of my sisters dresses.
"You want to act like a girl?" That's how you're going to dress from now on.

My dad (beta) and my mom (whiny judgmental 'mememe!' bitch) didn't go that far, but they pushed me into sports, competition and expected me to do my best. My mom tried to hammer in some beta traits there, but I was always a little shit; fighting, playing 'doctor' with girls (got kicked out of pre-school for this, got kicked out of another for biting kids), running around, BMX, a bit of shoplifting, smoking and drinking at an early age...seeing how she treated my father during the separation just drove me further away from it.

Believe, if I have a son, and he wants to play with dolls, or he wants a pink room, or he chooses to get into gymnastics instead of hockey, I will never fail to remind him that he's acting like a little fag. I wouldn't love my kid any less if they turned out gay, but at the same time I'm not going to hamster it up into some ideal situation; it's massively more preferential to me that my kids are hetero.

My helmet-polisher of a younger cousin (came out last year, the fact that he would grow up to enjoy sucking cock was plainly evident to everyone in the family since he was like 7, there was a pool running for a while) was never given any such direction or guidance in this fashion, which is now why he's a bitchy, divaish, rainbow connection little queer (and my aunt and uncle, who did absolutely nothing to curb this behavior in his youth, and in fact indulged it, are not amused).

Dang! How does BMX fit in to this? My first love it is!

I got arrested for the second? time and begged the cops to jail me when I was 14 or so. They said no no You're fucked now we called and woke your dad up good luck! Fuck me! I lost half my scalp that night!!

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"Be nice, be yourself" Thanks mom.

(http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2011/...narrative/)

I am lucky my mom, taught me that women want a challenge, she was honest because she herself have fallen for bad boys. So I learned a fraction from my own mom ha ha and the other I learn by experience and interacting with other men. Unfortunately my real father has been absent from my life and my step dad has an issue with me so whatever ya know?