Quote: (07-15-2012 07:21 PM)coopers317 Wrote:  

In SP now...been to Brasilia and have a couple more days here in SP, and have a few thoughts I'll post soon. But did want to post something for now. If you are planning to go, 3 months from now, 6 months, whenever...3 words: Learn some portuguese! Yes, Brazil is doable, but if you ignore this, it will be at your own peril-)

I found the girls easier and friendlier in Brasilia, than in Sao Paulo. Though in terms of quality, Sao Paulo is the New York of Brazil, so it is better in that sense. Either way, to maximize your quality and quantity potential, in both cities, decent portuguese is essential, especially now.

Most of what you need to know about having success here can be summed up in 3 words: Learn some Portuguese. In fact, if you don’t I’d advise you to stop reading this right now, go do that, and then come back to this post. As a general rule, you may get lots of IOI, but without the language, you’ll be helpless, and they will be helpless to even meet you halfway. Even in France, I never felt as helpless as I did here in Brazil because of the lack of knowledge of the language. What’s made it even worse was that I downloaded Pimsleurs 2 months in advance, but didn’t really apply myself to it and procrastinated, and instead worried way too much about where I should go and what places to hit. Wrong plan. Get the language part first…in my opinion this will be the MOST significant factor in success or not, way more than location. Btw, I am a medium complexion brother, and color or being black played little to absolutely no part. In other words, there was NO exotic factor besides being American. In fact, most just assumed I was Brazilian…a well dressed Brazilian, but Brazilian. That was until I opened my mouth, which then elicited smiles, giggles, and some IOI, but then we get back to the language barrier issue…got to have at least some to make any serious headway. In my opinion, Portuguese, looking decent, and being American will be quite enough to do the job.

The Women: Okay, I’m about to rankle a few feathers no doubt, but this is my own subjective opinion…and a limited one at that since I only ended up going to 2 cities (Brasilia and Sao Paulo), 2 that are not at the top of most people’s list when they think of Brazil. Everyone knows that surveys/list always consistently say that the world’s most beautiful women are in Brazil. But as far as looks, I, imho, honestly thought the women were a bit overrated. I know my expectations may have been a little too high, looking for Adriana Lima to be around every corner I guess was asking too much-), so I was a little disappointed at first glance. However, you should know that I do reside in a city with a large latino population, and am from NY, and so I am used to seeing some fine Latinas (Mexican and Central American) and Puerto Ricans. But to give up at this point and dismiss the whole effort at this point would be a mistake, as I found that they do really grow on you, and once you leave you really do realize what you miss about them and how it ain’t that easy after all to run up on it here in the States. My (very limited) personal experience thus far with Brazilian women: very possessive (insisting on holding my hand, or my hand had to be on some part of her when out and about…lol), very sensual/sexual, and you better bring your A game to the bedroom cause you will be burning some cals.

Brasilia: 1) Life in general during the day is going to center around the mall. There is pretty much nothing else to do during the day. 2) The city is not walk friendly at all. I thought I could taxi it pretty much, but the second day I got my ass back to the airport to get a car. 3) The place is not cheap. As a side note, my background is architecture related, and I have a big interest in mid century modern architecture, and so I actually did find things of interest to do in the city apart from swoop. A very easy and intuitive city to drive in, but speed limits are enforced very tightly (look for the cams). At night, again you have the malls, but also more choperias /bars than I thought I’d find.

I stayed right on the edge of Taguatinga, which is just west of Brasilia proper (sort of like a suburb) as it’s a lot more dense, and if there is any walking to be done it will be here (and you’re still in Brasilia). When I could step away from my girl, I hit the malls. If I saw a store with an attractive girl(s) I approached, and got the same response just about every time – giggles, IOI from at least one in the group, exchange a few lines, very friendly and receptive, and then language roadblock. This is fun n cute the first few times, but then it just gets downright frustrating (Don’t be an idiot like me…do yourself a favor and learn the language).

If you’re brave enough to step into the hood (Ceilandia), this is by far where I saw the widest range of looks, from the common to the most exotic looking women in all of Brasilia. I’m talking golden brown skin, blonde hair, exotic eyes, and bodies that would not quit. Yes, I saw a lot at the other end of the spectrum here too, but it was here that I saw the most exotic. I was with my girl, and these girls I know spoke zero English, so any kind of approach was a no-go and pointless.

Some of the places: Cha da Boa (Small, but cool active spot on a Monday night), Osina, Zimbrar, Divina Choperia (all pretty cool bars), Queens (p4p spot I accidentally stumbled into…no I didn’t, but if you saw a couple of girls in this place, you would not have blamed me) – All of these places are in Taguatinga in a pretty concentrated block and area, good selection of girls and pretty active.

There were a few other places, but can’t recall all of the names. Unlike Brasilia proper, you can actually leave the malls in Taguatinga and walk around street level and have a few things to do, though it’s much nicer in Brasilia and very clear that the dividing line between the rich and middle class/poor begins at Taguatinga.

Bar De Calaf – One of the best spots I saw in Brasilia. I got here at 7p on Saturday, and the place was already jumping when I got there. Good samba, live music, great dancing…there’s no way you can miss it because it’s absolutely the ONLY thing happening in the area. The surrounding area is quiet and completely dead by comparison. I could hear the music 3 blocks away. Pretty good talent here and party central. I was actually outright grabbed a couple of times here while walking through the crowd with my girl. One girl literally grabbed me by my jacket lapel while I’m walking with my girl…she was not amused. Accused me of looking at other women (smile). I think we broke up/made up 3 times that night…lol.

Mormaii – If you are looking to be (or need to be) upgraded, this is the place to be. It’s in a center called Pontao that contains a few other places as well, and it sits on Lago Sul. Came on a Sunday during brunch- definitely the place to come to see the upper crust and maybe pick something up if your game is tight enough. The place sits waterfront, and there a few other spots that flank it that are just as nice or nicer. I saw watercraft coming in and out ALL afternoon loading hunnies in and out of the place. I highly recommend the acai with bananas and the mojitos. The eye candy was so good I went back for lunch on Monday, but it was nowhere near the level of the Sunday afternoon brunch time crowd. Also, let no one tell you that Brazil is color-blind. It was here that I saw a dark skinned black Brazilian middle-aged women in her white maid uniform (with hat) pushing a stroller around for her more Euro female employer. I was with my girl, who shook her head and indeed confirmed that it is not the utopia portrayed.

Somebody else posted the winning formula for a black guy in Brazil somewhere in this thread I think, and I can add nothing to it.

I’ll post my Sao Paulo experience shortly and maybe some pics (still debating on that).

Need to take a break…to be continued.

Coopers

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Quote: (07-30-2012 05:59 PM)coopers317 Wrote:  

Most of what you need to know about having success here can be summed up in 3 words: Learn some Portuguese. In fact, if you don’t I’d advise you to stop reading this right now, go do that, and then come back to this post. As a general rule, you may get lots of IOI, but without the language, you’ll be helpless, and they will be helpless to even meet you halfway. Even in France, I never felt as helpless as I did here in Brazil because of the lack of knowledge of the language. What’s made it even worse was that I downloaded Pimsleurs 2 months in advance, but didn’t really apply myself to it and procrastinated, and instead worried way too much about where I should go and what places to hit. Wrong plan. Get the language part first…in my opinion this will be the MOST significant factor in success or not, way more than location. Btw, I am a medium complexion brother, and color or being black played little to absolutely no part. In other words, there was NO exotic factor besides being American. In fact, most just assumed I was Brazilian…a well dressed Brazilian, but Brazilian. That was until I opened my mouth, which then elicited smiles, giggles, and some IOI, but then we get back to the language barrier issue…got to have at least some to make any serious headway. In my opinion, Portuguese, looking decent, and being American will be quite enough to do the job.

The Women: Okay, I’m about to rankle a few feathers no doubt, but this is my own subjective opinion…and a limited one at that since I only ended up going to 2 cities (Brasilia and Sao Paulo), 2 that are not at the top of most people’s list when they think of Brazil. Everyone knows that surveys/list always consistently say that the world’s most beautiful women are in Brazil. But as far as looks, I, imho, honestly thought the women were a bit overrated. I know my expectations may have been a little too high, looking for Adriana Lima to be around every corner I guess was asking too much-), so I was a little disappointed at first glance. However, you should know that I do reside in a city with a large latino population, and am from NY, and so I am used to seeing some fine Latinas (Mexican and Central American) and Puerto Ricans. But to give up at this point and dismiss the whole effort at this point would be a mistake, as I found that they do really grow on you, and once you leave you really do realize what you miss about them and how it ain’t that easy after all to run up on it here in the States. My (very limited) personal experience thus far with Brazilian women: very possessive (insisting on holding my hand, or my hand had to be on some part of her when out and about…lol), very sensual/sexual, and you better bring your A game to the bedroom cause you will be burning some cals.

Brasilia: 1) Life in general during the day is going to center around the mall. There is pretty much nothing else to do during the day. 2) The city is not walk friendly at all. I thought I could taxi it pretty much, but the second day I got my ass back to the airport to get a car. 3) The place is not cheap. As a side note, my background is architecture related, and I have a big interest in mid century modern architecture, and so I actually did find things of interest to do in the city apart from swoop. A very easy and intuitive city to drive in, but speed limits are enforced very tightly (look for the cams). At night, again you have the malls, but also more choperias /bars than I thought I’d find.

I stayed right on the edge of Taguatinga, which is just west of Brasilia proper (sort of like a suburb) as it’s a lot more dense, and if there is any walking to be done it will be here (and you’re still in Brasilia). When I could step away from my girl, I hit the malls. If I saw a store with an attractive girl(s) I approached, and got the same response just about every time – giggles, IOI from at least one in the group, exchange a few lines, very friendly and receptive, and then language roadblock. This is fun n cute the first few times, but then it just gets downright frustrating (Don’t be an idiot like me…do yourself a favor and learn the language).

If you’re brave enough to step into the hood (Ceilandia), this is by far where I saw the widest range of looks, from the common to the most exotic looking women in all of Brasilia. I’m talking golden brown skin, blonde hair, exotic eyes, and bodies that would not quit. Yes, I saw a lot at the other end of the spectrum here too, but it was here that I saw the most exotic. I was with my girl, and these girls I know spoke zero English, so any kind of approach was a no-go and pointless.

Some of the places: Cha da Boa (Small, but cool active spot on a Monday night), Osina, Zimbrar, Divina Choperia (all pretty cool bars), Queens (p4p spot I accidentally stumbled into…no I didn’t, but if you saw a couple of girls in this place, you would not have blamed me) – All of these places are in Taguatinga in a pretty concentrated block and area, good selection of girls and pretty active.

There were a few other places, but can’t recall all of the names. Unlike Brasilia proper, you can actually leave the malls in Taguatinga and walk around street level and have a few things to do, though it’s much nicer in Brasilia and very clear that the dividing line between the rich and middle class/poor begins at Taguatinga.

Bar De Calaf – One of the best spots I saw in Brasilia. I got here at 7p on Saturday, and the place was already jumping when I got there. Good samba, live music, great dancing…there’s no way you can miss it because it’s absolutely the ONLY thing happening in the area. The surrounding area is quiet and completely dead by comparison. I could hear the music 3 blocks away. Pretty good talent here and party central. I was actually outright grabbed a couple of times here while walking through the crowd with my girl. One girl literally grabbed me by my jacket lapel while I’m walking with my girl…she was not amused. Accused me of looking at other women (smile). I think we broke up/made up 3 times that night…lol.

Mormaii – If you are looking to be (or need to be) upgraded, this is the place to be. It’s in a center called Pontao that contains a few other places as well, and it sits on Lago Sul. Came on a Sunday during brunch- definitely the place to come to see the upper crust and maybe pick something up if your game is tight enough. The place sits waterfront, and there a few other spots that flank it that are just as nice or nicer. I saw watercraft coming in and out ALL afternoon loading hunnies in and out of the place. I highly recommend the acai with bananas and the mojitos. The eye candy was so good I went back for lunch on Monday, but it was nowhere near the level of the Sunday afternoon brunch time crowd. Also, let no one tell you that Brazil is color-blind. It was here that I saw a dark skinned black Brazilian middle-aged women in her white maid uniform (with hat) pushing a stroller around for her more Euro female employer. I wawith my girl, who shook her head and indeed confirmed that it is not the utopia portrayed.

Somebody else posted the winning formula for a black guy in Brazil somewhere in this thread I think, and I can add nothing to it.

I’ll post my Sao Paulo experience shortly and maybe some pics (still debating on that).

Need to take a break…to be continued.

Coopers

Great post coopers.... you hit brazil and brasilia right on their head. I did what Mixx suggested, about saying that I am going there for a job interview and banged 4 girls in a week. But the key was my portuguese skills, which are probably better than Mixxs.
Unless you are a Scandinavian model, dont go to Brazil expecting anything other than hard work, which gets lower as your portuguese improves.

Coopers how did you see the chubby epedemic in Brasilia. From what I remember, it was not at the level of Rio. The top end is not that high in Brasilia, but you can meet alot of 7s who are accesible. Here in Bucaramanga, Colombia I have been so dissapointed by the chubby epedemic.

Quote: (07-30-2012 06:23 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

I did what Mixx suggested, about saying that I am going there for a job interview and banged 4 girls in a week. But the key was my portuguese skills, which are probably better than Mixxs.
Unless you are a Scandinavian model, dont go to Brazil expecting anything other than hard work, which gets lower as your portuguese improves.

Break down how you trapped and slayed these hapless iguanas for me.

Thanks.

Quote: (07-30-2012 06:30 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Coopers how did you see the chubby epedemic in Brasilia. From what I remember, it was not at the level of Rio. The top end is not that high in Brasilia, but you can meet alot of 7s who are accesible. Here in Bucaramanga, Colombia I have been so dissapointed by the chubby epedemic.

You are right about the portuguese...I can see how knowing the language would increase the close/bang rate exponentially.

Didn't really see a chub epidemic at all really. I wasn't blown away by the talent, and as you state, there were a lot of 7s. But then when there are lot of them (who are friendly), you realize that ain't a bad thing at all. I can't really compare to Rio, as I haven't been yet. Maybe the first of the year I'll do Rio, when I hear its the best time to go.

While there are some cities/countries where you can get away with not knowing the language, Brazil definitely isn't one of them. The average person on the street in Brazil simply doesn't know English, and depending on the area, may not even be fully literate in Portuguese. I'm of the opinion that no matter where you go, it's good to know at least some basics because people tend to open up a little more if they see you're trying. Shockingly, I'm pipelining a woman in Nova Iguacu right now, and she actually uses a translator to write to me in English, because she thought it was a considerate thing to do (she got major points for that, especially since I didn't ask her to).

You're also right about overall looks (facial) in Brazil. They are such a mix of ethnicities, that sometimes the mix doesn't work. They can be very unusual looking, in the sense that you can't place what they are ethnically. I think the hype regarding Brazilian women comes from their overall sexiness, femininity, friendliness and their bodies. The Adriana Lima types are jewels from areas that haven't seen much mixing - that's my guess. Just from looking online on sites, Brazilian chicks run the spectrum in terms of facial looks, body type, etc. Some are hot, some cute, some busted. Some sexy, some chubby, some sloppy.

Basically, Brazilians look like EVERYONE. If you're a person of color, you definitely blend in more until you open your mouth - that's pretty much the only way someone knows you aren't Brazilian, other than maybe the way you're dressed and carry yourself (you can almost always spot a tourist).

I've never given much thought to Brasilia, and Sao Paulo was way down on the list for me to visit (I'm more interested in Northeast coastal cities, and on the interior Belo Horizonte). I'm also in contact with someone in Sao Joao da Boa Vista, which is just outside of SP. I wouldn't mind going to Santos either, since it's near the coast and the home of the great Pele. Your sterling write-up has me thinking harder about these two cities.

Quote: (07-30-2012 06:37 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Quote: (07-30-2012 06:23 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

I did what Mixx suggested, about saying that I am going there for a job interview and banged 4 girls in a week. But the key was my portuguese skills, which are probably better than Mixxs.
Unless you are a Scandinavian model, dont go to Brazil expecting anything other than hard work, which gets lower as your portuguese improves.

Break down how you trapped and slayed these hapless iguanas for me.
Moma, in Brasilia it is all mall date game. Set up a date online or on badoo and tell them you have an interview in the morning, but can meet them for lunch at a central mall next to the government offices. You go suited up and you explain to them that you will stay, if they offer you the job. Brasilia girls are very open minded about meeting and many come from other cities. They often have cars, so on the 2nd date they will pick you up, at your pad to go have a drink in a bar or even at your place. Then it is all upto you and your game.
If you want to go younger pipeline girls online from the suburbs. It is a city full of 6s and 7s and not many 8s or 9s, but in terms of banging you will not complain.

Quote: (06-26-2011 04:27 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Skin color is a pretty big issue in when it comes to perceived social/economical status in Brazil, even more soo than in most LA countries.

Just something to remember....

Can some of you guys tell me why so many people are banned from this site? I'm new and don't want to be another statistic!

I am debating moving abroad again. I’ve narrowed it down to either Brazil or Ghana. can any of you give me perspective, compare contrast on both places? Here on the board or a message is fine. Thank you all for the information!

Quote: (06-28-2011 03:37 PM)Diablo Wrote:  

Found it!

Rethinking Brazil's 'Racial Democracy

It's a 10 pager but it goes into detail about interracial dating quite abit around page 6 and keeps talking about it till the end of the article. It puts Brazil's Interracial dating somewhere around 22% of the populace.

The article then goes on about how soccer players (Pele, Ronaldinho etc etc) of Afro-descent can occasionally get away with dating a blond but that is only because he is seen as successful and has a favorable socioeconomic standing. This would confirm what Mr.GM was saying about money and social status having a part to play more than skin colour.

However I must ask...How far is money going to go in breaking those barriers? Is it that money will only allow a darker skinned guy to date better looking lower class hos or will this supposed money help a guy meet high quality women of class (8-10 with the right attitude) as his brethren of lighter skin would be able to as well?

I'd be willing to bet that Ronaldinho couldn't date a girl from a good family with equal amount of money.

@UrbanNerd - I never take that mentally of odds when it comes to anything. If I gonna do something I need to be guaranteed a success otherwise its a waste of my time.

when I think about the whole, it's more about economics argument- it really confirms that there is an issues with race amongst SOME of the "higher-classed" white brazilians b/c why do I as a black man need to have all this actual or perceived status or wealth just to make it acceptable to this woman's social circle? That shows that she doesn't see me as her equal or good enough in my own right. I have to be a "special black" with this kind of patrinha. sad really- and really beta on behalf of the black men who go for that IMO. Sad.
To your point about needing things to be guaranteed before you'll do them-nothing is guaranteed. Risk is essential to success.

Quote: (06-30-2011 07:28 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Quote: (06-30-2011 11:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Miss C, how common are pairings like that in BR? I'm just curious.

Btw, your cousin did VERY good! That is like my dream woman right there. He better wife her up quick before I move down there and steal her, lol.

Quote: (06-30-2011 12:07 PM)Diablo Wrote:  

Quote: (06-30-2011 11:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Miss C, how common are pairings like that in BR? I'm just curious.

I too am curious to know the same. I would like to think its more common but something tells me its wishful thinking. I'm willing to bet that its not common the further up you go in class. Also the extent to which money will help also be of interest to me...

Either way, I hope Brazil isn't as bad as the DR. No place on earth can be more worse than the DR. Those guys have serious racial issues.

Quote: (06-30-2011 05:56 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Quote: (06-30-2011 07:12 AM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

For ordinary dark skinned guys, if that matters that much to be black... A ordinary guy and his GF.

WHile one can't judge solely off of that picture, that's very encouraging. That guy isn't bad looking, but that girl is hotter than most girls I see in a 6 month period! I'm hoping that's common out there, and he isn't just the luckiest guy in Brazil or rich!

Quote: (06-30-2011 06:22 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

He may be an ordinary guy, but she is no Ordinary Girl!!

She is your friend, Chocolatinha ?

Guys, it is common interracial cuples, but you have to go to no-gringo venues and no Vila Olimpia BS to find this. Asian and non-asian though are less common... but possible.
The guy in the pic is my cousin, a ordinary guy, not rich, nor the poorest either (favela scene).
The girl is not a model, it could be, she is tall enough for it, studies, works... "average" in those terms also. Great person inside and out.
They are in LTR, looking for a house so forget it,
speakeasy. LOL. Wedding may be right away. My cousin always had stunning GF. I don't know what he does. Just don't. his ex was a beyonce looking girl. Tall, round ass, bla bla bla...lol

Your cousin must have game, point blank. You only do that consistently with game. Gotta salute him on that one.

Update: My cousin is a football player and he is engaged from the girl on pic.