This is a thought I keep coming back to again and again.

It just seems like too many guys out there seem to NEED to have a white chick, even to the point that they'd take a fat white girl over a hot minority girl any day.

It's like...

... Have you seen some of the pics of "hot" chicks that dudes post online sometimes?

A lot of the time, they are pretty chubby, mediocre-looking white chicks. The subtext is clear: the fact that she's blond, no matter what other flaws she has, makes her hot.

Well, if you think about this for a minute, it's clear what's going on here.

Due to the high demand, a lot of white North American girls come at a price they're not really worth. The genuinely hot ones are all snapped up by rich fratty dudes, and the fat ugly ones can at least get dudes who aren't bad.

Which is why I don't even hit on white girls anymore.

I'm white myself, and I always thought I'd date and end up marrying white girls, but I just can't justify the investment they require anymore. They're OK in high school, but once they get past college something changes. I can't quite put my finger on it, it's like they figure out that there'll always be fanboys lining up outside their door no matter how fat and retarded they get, so they don't feel the need to put any effort into their appearance.

The response rate from hot minority women is often a lot better than that from just "OK" looking white women, and in many cases the attitudes are far better as well.

So, for now at least, I'm done with white chicks.

I think you're exaggerating. Yes, the value of American white females that are 8 or above is in the stratosphere, as they are pretty much desired universally by all races of men. But that doesn't mean the mediocre ones are getting showered with attention.

Do you really think this woman is getting approached left and right?



She is much closer looking to an average American white female than than Kate Upton. I'm not talking about the bars and clubs in trendy districts. Just your normal woman that works in a law office or might be shopping in Target.

And you're right that a white guy can pull a much better looking black, Hispanic or Asian woman than he can a white woman. I've got a buddy here, a white dude that is in a relationship with a girl in Mexico. She's probably 5 points above him on the sexual marketplace scale, not to mention she is 24 and he is 37. This guy would never in a million years be able to pull off an equivalent white girl from a Western country. He is getting gringo points added to his value.

This seems to be more the case among Aftican, Carribean, and Indian guys than with anyone else...

I don't believe that the average man of color desires a white woman over others. Men of color OUTSIDE the US in certain countries may be sold that she is the ultimate prize, but men here know better. Speaking for myself and black men in my circle, we will acknowledge beauty in any woman, regardless of her heritage, and won't hesitate to fuck. But in terms of who you want for a girlfriend or wife? White women aren't prized over other women. However, most white males are less likely to date and marry outside their own race, or even find darker skinned women attractive. Guys on this forum may fuck women of color for the notch, but MOST people, when it comes to a woman you'd bring around friends and family, it will usually be a woman of the same race. I suggest that ALL men broaden their horizons when it comes to being with women of different races, but you can't force yourself to be attracted to certain kinds of people.

Quote: (07-29-2012 04:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Is she 30? I don't know what it is, but so many white women age baaaaad.

Quote: (07-29-2012 09:24 PM)houston Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2012 04:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Is she 30? I don't know what it is, but so many white women age baaaaad.

No way she's 30! White or lighter skinned women age badly because they like being out in the sun, and in the case of a lot of younger chicks, tanning salons. The lack of melanin alone makes the skin less durable. The smarter women limit the sun, use moisturizers, etc. Things like smoking and drinking dries out and cracks the skin also.

Two thoughts:

1) Black don't crack
2) Race trolls gonna race troll

The situation is so bad where I live, that white women over 30 actually think they have value - even the single mothers.

Do they actually look at themselves in the mirror, most of them age badly and by 35 the hit the wall.

What's the best thing in the world? English house, Chinese food, Russian wife, American salary.
What's the worst thing in the world? Chinese house, English food, Russian salary, American wife.

This was a joke making the rounds in the mid-1990's in Russia. So obviously American white chicks have had a poor image many places in the outside world for quite some time now.

Maybe I don't have the same point of view as the general public (since I'm Slavic), but I've never had any fascination with white girls. A nice, pretty girl is a nice, pretty girl regardless of the color of her skin. I would be just as happy settling down with any nationality as long as she were a high quality and beautiful woman.

Since the odds of finding those qualities in a white girl are abysmal (given that entire anglosphere is automatically disqualified and other white girls are becoming Americanized fast), if it ever happens, chances are good that it will be with a latino, black or asian chick.

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I believe the politically correct term is caucasian.

And I have seen a lot of minority men fawn over caucasian girls. One time I met this dude in the bar and he was all excited and jumpy and said his new "hot" girlfriend was coming out.

She showed up 15 minutes later with a fat friend and I said whoa good catch man, I like her fancy heels. And he said, No, it's the other one. Almost started laughing but I didn't want to be rude.

Quote: (07-30-2012 07:00 AM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

I believe the politically correct term is caucasian.

And I believe political correctness is fucking stupid.

I agree with HCE, a pretty girl is a pretty girl, no matter where she comes from. In years gone by, I wasn't so much a fan of other skin tones, but as I got older I realised that quite often latinas and black girls actually have absolutely bangin' bodies.

Quote: (07-30-2012 07:04 AM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

I believe the politically correct term is caucasian.

"Caucasian" is just a term that Anglo-Americans use to make terms like "white people" sound all academic and sciency and stuff.

Caucasians are people from the Caucasus:




As you can see, they're only marginally European in appearance.

To get back on topic, I think women with stereotypically European features will be more desired in countries where dark skin and hair are the norm, and they come across as exotic.

In a sea full of blonds, I don't think a white woman will stand out or be regarded as particularly desirable.

Quote: (07-30-2012 08:34 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  



As you can see, they're only marginally European in appearance.

You trollin brah?
Plenty of Greeks look like that.

Quote: (07-30-2012 08:40 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

You trollin brah?

No trolling intended.

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Plenty of Greeks look like that.

I'm sure you're right. Just wanted to show that she's not stereotypically "white" in appearance. The girl up there could just as easily be a Turk.

The answer here from my view seems like a pretty clear "yes", at least from an American perspective. The is no individual that, on average, carries more value in the eyes of this society than a white woman, especially a young one.

You can see that quite blatantly in sentencing trends. Harming a white woman carries much stiffer penalties and much higher levels of scrutiny in this society than anyone else, even white males. You are significantly more likely to receive the death penalty for harming a white woman than you are for any other type of female or any type of male. Similar disparities can be found for many other crimes.

I could really go on and on about this.

I could cite the disparities in media representation between white women and others. I could cite the disparities in reception of anti-discrimination benefits (wanna guess who benefits most heavily of all from affirmative action policies out there? Hint: they are not black, nor are they male).

I could just cite the simple anecdotal evidence out there showing the guys being more willing to simp/cape/white-knight for young, pretty (or even painfully average) white girls as opposed to young, pretty girls of other groups. As I've stated in other threads, the fascination with Kate Upton is also linked to this overvaluation of a caucasian phenotype.

That could take all day, so I'll just put it quite simply: white female lives are considered to be more valuable, and they are treated accordingly.

Some of us on this forum may go beyond that dynamic. Users here (white, black, hispanic, asian or otherwise) are aware enough to know not to put white women on a pedestal, and instead judge all women more objectively on non-racial factors (ex: how agreeable is she, how attractive is she, how feminine is she, etc). We're generally bright enough to realize that culture and mindset are more accurate determinants of real female quality than skin tone, and thus can open our minds to a more inclusive/global dating perspective.

As pleased as I am to see this here, we are not the norm in this society. We are red-pill takers, and that allows us a more reasoned perspective on the female mind that, in turn, allows us to realize that quality women are all over the place and come in many different shades. Moreover, this being largely a global/travel focused site, we're more apt to want to go find these women. 99% of our male peers do not think this way-they take the blue pill, they stay in one place, they regularly play the simp/white knight role and they subscribe to all of the normal mindsets that come with that. We may not pedestalize, but they will. While many of us can see through the overvaluation of girls like Kate Upton, most others cannot and will not. That's just the reality.

Bottomline: In the United States, the white female remains on the highest pedestal of anyone. This is the perspective that the average joe operates from here, and it is also the perspective of the media and the justice system. They absolutely are overvalued, and for that reason will continue to maintain the largest army of white knights in existence.

Quote: (07-29-2012 03:44 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

So, for now at least, I'm done with white chicks.

Wow, thats an interesting decision.

But, thats ok, more white chicks for me!!!

Quote: (07-30-2012 09:09 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Bottomline: In the United States, the white female remains on the highest pedestal of anyone..

Not only in the USA, the whole world loves white women! And why shouldn't they? White women are beautiful.

I've been to Mexico and South America, they love white women.

Europe, Africa, Asia, The Mid-East.....Everyone loves white women right?

The beautiful white woman is at the top of the food chain just about everywhere in the world.

Why is this? I don't know and I don't care. I only try to fuck them.

fuck edit

white chicks are over valued by thirsty guys that have never experienced their vaginas. Easy for me to say, i grew up in san francisco in a white environment,

its not really these guys fault, they are taught to worship white women, thats all they see on tv and in magazines as the ideal of beauty, if i didn't grow up around white chicks i would probably over value them to.

i grew up with these white chicks, they are just like everybody else

That shit kills me. The average guy never fucks outside their race. Ten white guys in Corpus I new never smashed a blk or mexican chick. Why? Who knows. Do they find them attractive? Probably but never stepped up to the plate I guess. My unit right now is out of Pittsburg. Mostly east coast cats. I bet 90% never smashed outside their race. The Mexican cats in Corpus Brownsville and San Antonio are a bit more open but still dont dip outside Mexican chicas. Black dudes dont give a fuck. I've always wonder why though. Why are we bred to fuck anything that has a pussy? My guess is our environment and who we hang around breeds us that way. West coast, east coast, midwest, dirty south, we taste blk, white, latina, and asian if we can. Maybe we live the red pill life from high school.

Point is that shit really doesn't matter to anybody on this forum. We are all players that taste all types of pussy. If its a 6, some players might not step outside their race, but 7 on up most will step up to the plate and knock that shit out the park. Let the 99% overvalue whatever they want. We are the 1%'ers. You ever hear the phrase, "pussy aint got no face"? I use to live that shit but I try to have a little discretion now haha. Every once in a while you got to smash a slump buster to appreciate the value of a 7+.

Yeah, I don't get it at all. I'm an Eastern European living in USA and white chicks are the easiest for sure. Maybe because I simply fit the mold (clean cut, tall, blue eyes and light hair) and I can be too "white" for the ethnic girls and it's harder to relate. Many black and latina girls simply seem to prefer the thug stereotype that I'm very far from. White career chick 25-30 is easy picking. And I don't really prefer any race; hot chick is a hot chick regardless of race.

Quote: (07-30-2012 04:04 PM)SVK Wrote:  

Yeah, I don't get it at all. I'm an Eastern European living in USA and white chicks are the easiest for sure. Maybe because I simply fit the mold (clean cut, tall, blue eyes and light hair) and I can be too "white" for the ethnic girls and it's harder to relate. Many black and latina girls simply seem to prefer the thug stereotype that I'm very far from. White career chick 25-30 is easy picking. And I don't really prefer any race; hot chick is a hot chick regardless of race.

I think the problem right there is immediately calling blacks and latinos thug. Thug and ghetto has nothing to do with it - it's simply finding your own more attractive. There are certain women that my like a harder edged dude, but that's probably because that's what they live around. There are all kinds of blacks and latinos, and women of color that are attracted to them.

The problem with the perceived 'value' that foreigners give to white North American chicks (financial independence, sexually liberated, educated) is that it's precisely what makes them a pain in the ass to deal with for North American men.

From my perspective, I couldn't care less what a girl makes (I'll take a sweet, kind and pretty checkout girl at Target who makes minimum wage over the ball-breaking lawyercunt making 120k annually who assume men like her for her 'wit' and whose job is pushing her harder into the wall every time), a slut is only good for a month maximum and the 'educated' girl probably got her degree in something useless, at the expense of a man who would have got a degree in something useful.

In China I see white girls who are 4's on a good day getting tons of interest from Chinese nationals and the brothers that are coming in to teach from Africa...all of this amidst wave after wave of skinny, pretty, feminine and well-dressed Chinese girls. I can only shake my head, especially since their game veers into Compliment and Cuddle territory and for the average man of average means to get western girls, you need some western game.

I mean I like skinny white chicks too (I am a white guy), but really, I'm a pussy generalist; give me two girls of equal attractiveness, one is western and one is not, and I'm sorry, but I take the non-westernized girl every time, because I know that she is going to be less of a pain in the ass and easier to be around.

Quote: (07-30-2012 04:04 PM)SVK Wrote:  

Many black and latina girls simply seem to prefer the thug stereotype

What the fuck and how did you come to this conclusion?

Quote: (07-30-2012 04:04 PM)SVK Wrote:  

Yeah, I don't get it at all. I'm an Eastern European living in USA and white chicks are the easiest for sure. Maybe because I simply fit the mold (clean cut, tall, blue eyes and light hair) and I can be too "white" for the ethnic girls and it's harder to relate. Many black and latina girls simply seem to prefer the thug stereotype that I'm very far from. White career chick 25-30 is easy picking. And I don't really prefer any race; hot chick is a hot chick regardless of race.

I'm going to call bullshit. If you meet a black girl at a predominantly white venue, there is a extremely high probability she is open and even possibly hoping to be picked up by a white guy. Latina's I don't see this correlation, you just have to approach and find out. But black girls LOVE white guys with blue eyes, otherwise they wouldn't be at that predominantly white venue. Just don't go looking to pick one up in the hood, then all bets are off. Just make sure your confidence level is up, and you may have to be somewhat more direct than with your typical white American women.

If you do a quick search, you will find literally dozens of blogs for black women in America who are having a hard time with white men and want to do better, kind of like self help blogs similar to Roosh's. And black women I've dated/slept with all tell me the same thing, for an educated black women, it is HARD to find a good man, most guys outside their race do not want them. Seriously, I am not a thugged out guy at all and I do significantly better with them than white women without even really trying. My guess is on your approach you felt intimidated, which will get you blown off every single time.