I'm considering studying abroad in Tôkyô, Kyôto, or Ôsaka in 2013/14, and there are several questions I have regarding the women there...

1) Are Japanese girls flakier than others?

After dating a ton of women in from China, and several from Germany and S. Korea [I can't say anything about American or Anglo girls cause I've never dated them], I've never had to deal with flaking on a large scale (it was more the exception than the norm).

However, I've noticed an unusually high amount of flakiness among the Japanese students I've met in Germany (both male and female). With one exception, every Japanese person I've ever had to meet with privately (8 individuals), either for language practice or dating, ended up being a flake, even if it was their idea to meet up. I'm wondering if meeting women there is going to be more of a pain in the ass?

2.) Is it hard to find Japanese girls in their late teens and early to mid 20s who are actually sexy and who don't look and behave like 9-year-olds?

In China, there were a few women who acted slightly childish for their age, but it was just as easy to hook up with grown-looking women who could act feminine or sexy. Same thing with S. Korean girls I've met (still working on my Korean flag, though). However, I've met about 20-25 Japanese students who are studying abroad, all in their early 20s, and so far I can maybe think of two who looked and acted like they were older than 11 (instead of 11, they looked like they were 13). They seem so unimaginably shy and naive that at times I honestly had to ask myself if they knew what a penis was.

Now I don't necessarily need to go after some gravure idol looking chic, but I'd like to know if there's a decent amount of hot girls over there (for someone who likes Asians).

3.) General questions...

Is there anything particular that one should know when approaching and escalating with J-girls. I have a lot of experience dating and hooking up with Chinese girls [I speak fairly good Mandarin], so I'd like to know if there's any comparisson that can be drawn here. [P.S. for additional info: my Japanese is still at a beginner's level].

thanks in advance...

Quote: (05-12-2012 12:06 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I'm considering studying abroad in Tôkyô, Kyôto, or Ôsaka in 2013/14, and there are several questions I have regarding the women there...

1) Are Japanese girls flakier than others?

After dating a ton of women in from China, and several from Germany and S. Korea [I can't say anything about American or Anglo girls cause I've never dated them], I've never had to deal with flaking on a large scale (it was more the exception than the norm).

However, I've noticed an unusually high amount of flakiness among the Japanese students I've met in Germany (both male and female). With one exception, every Japanese person I've ever had to meet with privately (8 individuals), either for language practice or dating, ended up being a flake, even if it was their idea to meet up. I'm wondering if meeting women there is going to be more of a pain in the ass?

2.) Is it hard to find Japanese girls in their late teens and early to mid 20s who are actually sexy and who don't look and behave like 9-year-olds?

In China, there were a few women who acted slightly childish for their age, but it was just as easy to hook up with grown-looking women who could act feminine or sexy. Same thing with S. Korean girls I've met (still working on my Korean flag, though). However, I've met about 20-25 Japanese students who are studying abroad, all in their early 20s, and so far I can maybe think of two who looked and acted like they were older than 11 (instead of 11, they looked like they were 13). They seem so unimaginably shy and naive that at times I honestly had to ask myself if they knew what a penis was.

Now I don't necessarily need to go after some gravure idol looking chic, but I'd like to know if there's a decent amount of hot girls over there (for someone who likes Asians).

3.) General questions...

Is there anything particular that one should know when approaching and escalating with J-girls. I have a lot of experience dating and hooking up with Chinese girls [I speak fairly good Mandarin], so I'd like to know if there's any comparisson that can be drawn here. [P.S. for additional info: my Japanese is still at a beginner's level].

thanks in advance...

Im curious how VP responds to these questions, as he is one of the Japan experts in this forum. Ive always loved the Japanese girl look, but these are questions that have been on my mind from my limited experience meeting young japanese girls abroad.
Sargon, that you didnt bang any S. Korean chicks seems like a norm, since they seem like some of the biggest pain in the asses and frigid chicks that Asia has to offer.

Quote: (05-12-2012 12:25 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Sargon, that you didnt bang any S. Korean chicks seems like a norm, since they seem like some of the biggest pain in the asses and frigid chicks that Asia has to offer.

I sometimes wonder if this has anything to do with the relatively high amount of Christians in S. Korea...

I'm living in japan, I can tell you that you can escalate like normal with them.
Practically no one here speaks English despite the fact they have to take it from junior high school onward, so you will need to have some skills with the language.

For the most part Japanese are very shy and polite, most of my day approaches I mostly do about 80% of the talking and if she is into me will ask me personal questions. I just take roosh's advice and keep rambling. I also try to make her laugh.

You will get some flakes if you don't build a solid connection.

I'm always suited down in Japan and I sometimes feel under-dressed because you will see tons of Japanese wearing suits, sometimes custom but mostly well fitted suits for their jobs.

Quote: (05-12-2012 12:39 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Quote: (05-12-2012 12:25 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Sargon, that you didnt bang any S. Korean chicks seems like a norm, since they seem like some of the biggest pain in the asses and frigid chicks that Asia has to offer.

I sometimes wonder if this has anything to do with the relatively high amount of Christians in S. Korea...

S Korean chicks are horny, at least the ones I have met. I had a S Korean girlfriend in university who was super horny, loved to give blowjobs.

My other experience is with a married 28 year old S Korean chick who lived in Toronto. She actually picked ME up in a bookstore, invited me to go for a drink. During drinks she told me how wasn't attracting to Korean men and they were small everywhere. After which I had sex with her in her minivan. She kept trying to call me and text me after, but I didn't respond because I felt bad about sleeping with a married chick.

Keep in mind the university culture in Japan means that it is roughly translated to four years of playtime.
Most of the hard work is done in highschool preparing for the university entrance exams.

It is also meant as a place to meet other "good" Japanese mates with the hope that right after Uni they go off and get married.

You are right about the maturity level as at this point in their lives they have lived in a "box" and never been exposed much to the real world (on purpose).

When I am in Japan I focus on an entirely different type of girl. 25- 33 yo professional types that might have spent some time abroad. You should be able to tell by the type of clothing that they wear and the way that they carry themselves.

Some info here.

Quote: (05-12-2012 02:27 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

S Korean chicks are horny, at least the ones I have met. I had a S Korean girlfriend in university who was super horny, loved to give blowjobs.

My other experience is with a married 28 year old S Korean chick who lived in Toronto. She actually picked ME up in a bookstore, invited me to go for a drink. During drinks she told me how wasn't attracting to Korean men and they were small everywhere. After which I had sex with her in her minivan. She kept trying to call me and text me after, but I didn't respond because I felt bad about sleeping with a married chick.

Were these girls actually from South Korea (i.e. born and raised there), or were they Americans/Canadians of Korean descent?

I lived in Japan for a couple of months and I never had sex with so many girls since then. In fact, when I came back to Europe I found pickup because I was looking to continue that lifestyle.

About your questions

1) I had zero flakes iirc, but I had sex with 18 year olds that did not want any repeats.
2) I was hooking up with girls that might have been any age between 16 and 36. Sometimes I found it hard to tell. But they seemed mostly sane to me, I mean not worse than in the western hemisphere. Taking into account that in Japan everything is a little bit weird. (Or very weird, depends how you look at it.)
3) Just go to a club and say "Hi" to cute girls, heh. It's really not difficult. You probably don't need any Japanese, either. You are a foreigner, so they will probably like you and make an effort to speak English. Escalation will most likely not happen at all until you are alone (a private karaoke booth or an Internet-cafe booth is sufficient).

Also: Most girls will live with their familes, so you'll probably go to Love Hotels a lot. Unless you have your own place of course. Those will cost you money, I think it's expected that the man pays.

Quote: (05-12-2012 03:11 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Were these girls actually from South Korea (i.e. born and raised there), or were they Americans/Canadians of Korean descent?

Both were very Korean, the married one had moved to Canada just a few months before I met her, in fact her English was very poor. The ex-girlfriend from university is living back in Seoul now. So, no they weren't the Westernized kinds of Korean girls.

Quote: (05-12-2012 10:10 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Quote: (05-12-2012 03:11 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Were these girls actually from South Korea (i.e. born and raised there), or were they Americans/Canadians of Korean descent?

Both were very Korean, the married one had moved to Canada just a few months before I met her, in fact her English was very poor. The ex-girlfriend from university is living back in Seoul now. So, no they weren't the Westernized kinds of Korean girls.

2 anecdotal experiences from semi-westernized koreans does nothing to disprove my point. I've been in SE Asia 5 months and have hit on dozens of Korean girls (I was trying to get my flag) who were either traveling (Vietnam) or studying(in Philippines). They are some of the most unfriendly wenches with strong bitch shields, that I have ever met. Plus, they always seems to stick with other Koreans. That and forum threads, like the one from the infamous Dash Global, have made me have that opinion. Not that one cant bang a few, if you made the effort and went to Korea, for a few months. But at nowhere near the levels of other Asian countries(i.e. Japan, China and SE Asia). And the quality of the women isnt that great to justify spending so much money and time in that country.
Now Japan to me is another story. From most of the posts, it seems it is worth saving the money to spend a few months there.

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Im curious how VP responds to these questions, as he is one of the Japan experts in this forum

Didn't he go to Tokyo for just one week and not get the flag?

Quote: (05-12-2012 04:37 PM)muc Wrote:  

I lived in Japan for a couple of months and I never had sex with so many girls since then. In fact, when I came back to Europe I found pickup because I was looking to continue that lifestyle.

About your questions

1) I had zero flakes iirc, but I had sex with 18 year olds that did not want any repeats.
2) I was hooking up with girls that might have been any age between 16 and 36. Sometimes I found it hard to tell. But they seemed mostly sane to me, I mean not worse than in the western hemisphere. Taking into account that in Japan everything is a little bit weird. (Or very weird, depends how you look at it.)
3) Just go to a club and say "Hi" to cute girls, heh. It's really not difficult. You probably don't need any Japanese, either. You are a foreigner, so they will probably like you and make an effort to speak English. Escalation will most likely not happen at all until you are alone (a private karaoke booth or an Internet-cafe booth is sufficient).

Also: Most girls will live with their familes, so you'll probably go to Love Hotels a lot. Unless you have your own place of course. Those will cost you money, I think it's expected that the man pays.

Never though of Japan as an easy place to get laid, not really into Asians but wouldn't mind trying out some Japs.

So if you can't tell their age then that would be a good defense in court should you inadvertently skewer a 14yr old

Quote: (05-12-2012 11:48 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-12-2012 10:10 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Quote: (05-12-2012 03:11 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Were these girls actually from South Korea (i.e. born and raised there), or were they Americans/Canadians of Korean descent?

Both were very Korean, the married one had moved to Canada just a few months before I met her, in fact her English was very poor. The ex-girlfriend from university is living back in Seoul now. So, no they weren't the Westernized kinds of Korean girls.

2 anecdotal experiences from semi-westernized koreans does nothing to disprove my point. I've been in SE Asia 5 months and have hit on dozens of Korean girls (I was trying to get my flag) who were either traveling (Vietnam) or studying(in Philippines). They are some of the most unfriendly wenches with strong bitch shields, that I have ever met. Plus, they always seems to stick with other Koreans. That and forum threads, like the one from the infamous Dash Global, have made me have that opinion. Not that one cant bang a few, if you made the effort and went to Korea, for a few months. But at nowhere near the levels of other Asian countries(i.e. Japan, China and SE Asia). And the quality of the women isnt that great to justify spending so much money and time in that country.
Now Japan to me is another story. From most of the posts, it seems it is worth saving the money to spend a few months there.

Although I'm still working on getting my flag, my experiences with Korean girls haven't been that bad either.

I only hit on a few while Koreans I was in China...made out with one who was smoking hot, but I couldn't get her back to my place; while another was friendly, but a bit flakey. The last Korean girl I hit on had a boyfriend, but was also friendly enough. In Germany, I've only dated three; one was a little shy, but other than that, I didn't find them to be super difficult...(I'll let you know when I've got my flag).

Though I do aggree, two anecdotal examples don't really indicate a trend.

Quote: (05-13-2012 03:04 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Never though of Japan as an easy place to get laid.

I'm still a bit skeptical. I heard similar stories about China being pussy paradise, but I still had to work my ass off and face tons of rejections to hook up with eight girls in six months (then again, that was my first serious attempt at game).

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So if you can't tell their age then that would be a good defense in court should you inadvertently skewer a 14yr old

If 22 year olds look and act like 9-12 year olds, I don't want to know what their 14 year olds are like...

There is a small subset of Japanese women (maybe 10%) who love foreign guys. These are the type who hang out in Roppongi. They are significantly less attractive than the general population and lower class. Most Japanese women have no interest in foreign guys and wouldn't consider one even if you could overcome the language barrier. That said, you can certainly go through a large quantity of Roppongi-type girls if you want.

Quote: (05-13-2012 04:00 AM)Lemmo Wrote:  

There is a small subset of Japanese women (maybe 10%) who love foreign guys. These are the type who hang out in Roppongi. They are significantly less attractive than the general population and lower class. Most Japanese women have no interest in foreign guys and wouldn't consider one even if you could overcome the language barrier. That said, you can certainly go through a large quantity of Roppongi-type girls if you want.

This is bullshit, i'm doing daygame roosh style, in japanese and putting in work everyday here, doing many approaches, on the train, at the conbini, near the station, at the grocery store, etc.

I'm not even a white dude, more spanish looking than anything.

I can say that if you got your ramble game, come suited down, and are an interesting guy they will get with you. You need to speak the language though.

Quote: (05-13-2012 03:37 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Though I do aggree, two anecdotal examples don't really indicate a trend.

Well, here is the thing, as I said earlier, the married one actually approached me in the bookstore. I was just minding my own business, she came over and started a conversation. This girl was not at all westernized, she could barely speak English. Yes, maybe it's not typical, but I am just putting it out there.

Quote: (05-13-2012 03:04 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Never though of Japan as an easy place to get laid, not really into Asians but wouldn't mind trying out some Japs.

I have heard similar things from my friend who lived in Japan for a year. He is a 6' 2" white guy and he said it was pussy paradise for him.

Quote: (05-13-2012 07:18 AM)memcpy Wrote:  

Quote: (05-13-2012 04:00 AM)Lemmo Wrote:  

There is a small subset of Japanese women (maybe 10%) who love foreign guys. These are the type who hang out in Roppongi. They are significantly less attractive than the general population and lower class. Most Japanese women have no interest in foreign guys and wouldn't consider one even if you could overcome the language barrier. That said, you can certainly go through a large quantity of Roppongi-type girls if you want.

This is bullshit, i'm doing daygame roosh style, in japanese and putting in work everyday here, doing many approaches, on the train, at the conbini, near the station, at the grocery store, etc.

I'm not even a white dude, more spanish looking than anything.

I can say that if you got your ramble game, come suited down, and are an interesting guy they will get with you. You need to speak the language though.

I second this!!! That is absolute B.S. It is in there culture to want to be seen talking english to a foreigner. The Jap.'s who come to the states and speak good english are normally rich business men. So it makes them upper class to be seen speaking to you. What that comment says is absolutely NON-SENSE. I cant even believe someone would write this.... O my qualification, I was there in Nov for a few weeks. They wont attack you in day-game, because they are shy culturally. But, you can easily open them up, and they will blush and smile like u would never imagine. Its weird because they hold it back at first, and then burst out,...kinda in a laugh. I got that three times. I though i was bothering the first by talking to her, based on body language. But, also its cultural for them to resist staring as much as possible, unlike latin america and some other places. Ask them to come to your hotel or place to drink a couple beers, and watch a movie. Its so ridiculous, I actual had to be walked through this by my friend who lives there. O yeah, I did get my flag. But, you are severely limited by not speaking jap.... obviously!!!

Quote: (05-13-2012 07:18 AM)memcpy Wrote:  

i'm doing daygame roosh style, in japanese and putting in work everyday here, doing many approaches, on the train, at the conbini, near the station, at the grocery store, etc.

Ok.

Have you hit one of those cat petting museums? Like this:


Or the indoor beach?


Those places are goldmines.

Aloha!

Quote: (05-13-2012 01:02 PM)elabayarde Wrote:  

I second this!!! That is absolute B.S. It is in there culture to want to be seen talking english to a foreigner. The Jap.'s who come to the states and speak good english are normally rich business men. So it makes them upper class to be seen speaking to you. What that comment says is absolutely NON-SENSE. I cant even believe someone would write this.... O my qualification, I was there in Nov for a few weeks. They wont attack you in day-game, because they are shy culturally. But, you can easily open them up, and they will blush and smile like u would never imagine. Its weird because they hold it back at first, and then burst out,...kinda in a laugh. I got that three times. I though i was bothering the first by talking to her, based on body language. But, also its cultural for them to resist staring as much as possible, unlike latin america and some other places. Ask them to come to your hotel or place to drink a couple beers, and watch a movie. Its so ridiculous, I actual had to be walked through this by my friend who lives there. O yeah, I did get my flag. But, you are severely limited by not speaking jap.... obviously!!!

elabayarde: could you elaborate a bit more...

When did you go to Japan?

Which parts did you visit? Were your experiences common in a place like Tokyo, where there's likely a large population of foreigners?

How much did you have to work to get a single lay? I know you probably don't have exact numbers, but as a rough estimate, out of the women you approached during the daytime, how many did you end up banging? Was it a small minority or a decent portion? Did you have to collect half a phonebook of numbers to get a few girls who didn't flake, or was every fifth or tenth girl you approached DTF?

What kind of a guy are you? Are you good looking? Are you outgoing, funny, social, well-dressed?

Quote: (05-13-2012 03:04 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Never though of Japan as an easy place to get laid, not really into Asians but wouldn't mind trying out some Japs.

So if you can't tell their age then that would be a good defense in court should you inadvertently skewer a 14yr old

Well I'm white and blonde, so that probably helped.
And AFAIK the legal age for girls in Japan is 13 years old. (Not saying it is what you want, but you probably won`t see a courtroom.)

Quote: (05-12-2012 12:06 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I'm considering studying abroad in Tôkyô, Kyôto, or Ôsaka in 2013/14, and there are several questions I have regarding the women there...

3.) General questions...

Is there anything particular that one should know when approaching and escalating with J-girls. I have a lot of experience dating and hooking up with Chinese girls [I speak fairly good Mandarin], so I'd like to know if there's any comparisson that can be drawn here. [P.S. for additional info: my Japanese is still at a beginner's level].

thanks in advance...

I can’t really answer most of your questions because I was there for only a few days but have some insights on approaching and escalating. Just some background, I speak no Japanese other than saying do you speak English. I tried no day game just clubs. I also dressed well when I went out either suited up or in a blazer. I generally am not into Asian women especially ones not Americanized and I had very low expectations, but once I got there is something about Japanese girls that got me going. I think it’s just the way they carry themselves differently then let’s say Thai girls in which I felt like everyone was a prostitute.

In terms of your beginners Japanese, I think you should approach in English and then surprise them with your basic Japanese. One of the guys I was with spoke moderate Japanese and still approached in English and then started whispering stuff in their ear in Japanese. They seemed to love it. Most everyone at the clubs spoke some English.

I think the key is finding a place without a lot of other foreigners. First bar or 2 I went to there were 15%-20% foreigners my success level was not very high. Had my best success at a club that was about 95% Japanese.

My approach there was very direct, consisting mostly of just grabbing a girls hand on the dance floor or while walking by. Japanese men are the most unaggressive men in the world that I have seen and J girls aren’t use to this behavior . Even if a guy is dancing with a girl you can go up and grab the girl and they will just back away. I did this a few times and then started feeling bad for the J dudes and started doing the opposite and pushing a random girl / guy together (Someone has to solve their demographic crisis)

One night there I made out with 7 different girls, most of the time within 2 minutes of meeting them. I think it’s some sort of cultural thing but they seem to have a very hard time saying no. Though it’s fun, I don’t think it’s a good strategy if you want to take them home because they don’t seem to take you seriously afterwards. They just start giggling and want to take pictures with you almost as if they can’t believe that just happened to them.

One weird thing is they have female only sections at the clubs, which is where the real stunners seem to sit. Most of the time there was some security telling us to move along when we tried to talk to them so had no success with the top quality/model looking girls. I don’t understand why that section was necessary because it seemed like very few guys were creeping besides my group.

On my last night there talked some girl to come back to the hotel, had to convince her for like 30 minutes before she finally agreed. At this point I hadn’t even kissed her yet…which was a stark difference from most of my encounters before this. But the last half of the conversation was very sexual. She put up some last minute resistance getting into the cab and I just grabbed her and was like lets go, stop fooling around. The more dominant you act the easier it is, again I think because they are not used to this type of behavior from typical Japanese guys. Another interesting note is that she wanted me to take the condom off…almost begging me….could have directly solved the demographic crises but was a bit put off by her insistence.

Other side notes:

Japan is very expensive probably spent about $900 in 3 days there.
Food is amazing there. Even food from fast food type places.

Can’t wait to go back, easily one of the most fun trips of my life.

Quote: (05-13-2012 04:20 PM)BTman Wrote:  

I can’t really answer most of your questions because I was there for only a few days but have some insights on approaching and escalating.

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Thanks. That was very helpful.

As to my second question, if women like the ones shown in this video are a common sight in Japan's nightlife, then I'm very relieved.

Choche,
I'm far from being a Japan/Japanese girls expert here as I only been there once and for a week and while there, I was so blown away that I did mostly touristy stuff but didn't get a J flag there. But since coming back, I've been reading everything I could about Japan, the Japanese culture in order to understand their fascinating culture and how J women behave and why they behave the way they do. I've also been self learning Japanese and can't wait to get back to J-land this time for a longer period. From what every that has been to Japan says and from my research, the sweet spot is the 25-35 age range as these are women who believe it or not, are almost as if considered untouchables in Japan and are the easiest pickings and are also the most fun to be with as they are more mature, have class and are uber fashionable and have money. Plus a 25-30 or even a 35 year old Japanese women look mighty good and can easily pass for an early 20 girl everywhere else. When I return to Japan, these are where I will go after.