I don't think Trump wants a war, but his reckless language could accidentally start one If you look at the deterministic elements, there is no way that China and Russia can permit the US to demolish a friendly country in their own backyard and do nothing. This could be the first world war started by a tweet.

Quote: (05-20-2019 10:09 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I think it is borderline insane that Trump actually used the phrase "the end of Iran" in a recent tweet - which, let's be real, is a call for genocide. He was speaking hypothetically, but still....wow.

The backing out of the Iran deal was unnecessary. The constant poking at Iran by sending military vessels into the region - also unnecessary. This whole situation could've been easily avoided.

Indeed.

There are lots of Trumpophile Persians in US who like him for his tough stance on Mullah and they see him as the best chance of getting rid of the regime even if it meant some calculated air strike on key positions of Iranian land....but even they are completely mystified by use of that langauge. I think Trump's brashness just showed his hand to them and I think they'd actually do it if not afraid of international outrage....seeing as the puppetmasters (Saudi + Israel) would love for it to happen as no matter under theocratic tyranny of IslamicRepublic or a thriving secular nationalist gov't, Iran will always be a huge regional competitor to them, so why not just get rid of it altogether.

Trump could have easily tweeted the end of Mullahs, or the end of the Islamic Republic, or the end of Theocracy....but he went knee-deep and said nation of Iran as a whole. Maybe that will wake up so many blind Iranians (not that I blame some of them after decades in exile and false hopes of change they are desperate at any measure) who genuinely think US gives a rats ass about them or see them different than the regime.

There are genuinely some Iranians out there who think US would only hit the nuclear sites + supreme leader house and religious schools and then gloriously bring back the son of Shah on tanks and immediately install a secular liberal democracy and then peacefully leave Iran be to the new era.

Quote: (05-20-2019 10:09 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I think it is borderline insane that Trump actually used the phrase "the end of Iran" in a recent tweet - which, let's be real, is a call for genocide. He was speaking hypothetically, but still....wow.

The backing out of the Iran deal was unnecessary. The constant poking at Iran by sending military vessels into the region - also unnecessary. This whole situation could've been easily avoided.

I don't think Trump was saying he was going to kill everybody in Iran.

I took it as implying that the Iranian government would fall and the country would break apart in the aftermath of our attack. If the government were to fall, and portions of the country split off and became independent, you could reasonably call that the end of Iran.

Calling that tweet genocide is a SJW "wow just wow" reaction.

Roast is right, he's talking about the end of the Iranian Regime, not the people.

I'm just glad nothings happened yet, but waiting for the false flag to happen.

Quote: (05-21-2019 06:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Calling that tweet genocide is a SJW "wow just wow" reaction.

Roast is right, he's talking about the end of the Iranian Regime, not the people.

I'm just glad nothings happened yet, but waiting for the false flag to happen.

Things are moving toward something happening in the Gulf.

It may just be that America is just putting everything in place so as Iran dare not even think about kicking back when sanctions really bite. We all know they do what they can to subvert American hegemony in the region, but hey, Saudi Arabia didn't do the US any favors on 9/11 and they seem to be doing ok.

Iran has massive missile capability. If it went all out it would be very very serious for not just the US but everyone in the region including Israel.

There will be no land invasion of Iran. It's a different terrain to Iraq. And homeland America does not have the stomach for the kind of casualties that would ensue from that type of conflict.

So the globohomos keep on doing to Iran what they do to the rest of the world: boil the frog, slowly. Keep up sanctions and enforce them. Destroy them economically, or at least severely cripple them. Iran still does not have spare parts for those dodo F-14 Tomcats they bought way back when (hardly surprising I know). But they have a good line in home made missile tech and bought in stuff from China/Russia. And they have a lot of them. In very strategic positions.

I'm waiting for the false flag as well. It won't be a case of 'oh look Iran just blew up a passenger plane, or oh look, Iran just sunk an oil tanker'. It will be a case of some mystery event happening (like the shooting down of a plane or an oil tanker being sunk) and after several weeks/months of analysis, yes, all fingers point to Iran. This would need to be a sort of 9/11 type of event though for people to still care about it later after the 'facts were gleaned'. Who knows how it will come.

Everyone is saying that it's Israel behind this, but geo-politically Iran is pretty much at the centre of the grand chessboard. China, Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Turkey. It's a hotbed of discontent.

And as any 2D Chess player knows, if you can command the centre of the board, you stand a better chance of a favourable outcome. Geopolitics is not Chess of course, but still.

I think America is just keeping the pressure up to slowly drain Iran of its lifeblood.

That was an ill-worded tweet, but Iran have been blustering off about this and that when they should shut their big yap as well. Maybe they feel as if they have nothing to lose. It's like the smaller kid mouthing off about what they will do to the bigger kid if they get hit, but everyone around them knows it's all talk.

Well, it's all talk for now. But once the tinder is lit, the fuel is already in place, and the oxygen of outrage/propaganda/media shilling will make sure it all burns bright when it finally all goes up. It won't be in Iran's favor.

But it may not be in other people's favor either, with their proxies taking a more active role, with nothing to lose and a serious escalation, you would see Iran fomenting uprisings in Bahrain, Iraq and many other small little pockets across the region. I'm not an expert. But this stretches all the way back to Yemen. Lots of people with axes to grind.

This theatre will probably go on for a few more months yet, till everything is in place, then BOOM, the fuse is lit.

Then again, it looked like Iran were going to get a serious pounding even 15 years back, but that never came about.

I think this is the globohomo complex bleeding the victim dry by a death of a thousand cuts. And that way, it gives none of their 'neighbors' the justifiation to react.

Just as we have all been boiled alive here in the West and have only recently figured out what is going on, and what has gone on, with regard to decades of Cultural Marxist indoctrination, from climate change, to feminism, etc. etc.

Iran could be a seriously thriving place. They don't suffer so much with the religious madness inflicting other parts of the region. If left alone they could probably work it out by themselves. But external regime change to just install another puppet/madman will only end up with the same results in decades time - we need to go in and 'save the village'.

Perpetual war. This is what this is about.

Nothing else makes any sense.

No wonder people just switch off.

I don't pretend to understand any of it. But I'm not sure many people really do, either.

Quote: (05-21-2019 06:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Calling that tweet genocide is a SJW "wow just wow" reaction.

Roast is right, he's talking about the end of the Iranian Regime, not the people.

If that is what he meant, then that's what he should have said - but he didn't.

"the end of Iran" in this instance can only be interpreted as the wholesale destruction of a country and its people.

Quote: (05-21-2019 08:16 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Quote: (05-21-2019 06:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Calling that tweet genocide is a SJW "wow just wow" reaction.

Roast is right, he's talking about the end of the Iranian Regime, not the people.

If that is what he meant, then that's what he should have said - but he didn't.

"the end of Iran" in this instance can only be interpreted as the wholesale destruction of a country and its people.

+1

We all know the reactions that "the end of Israel" would get.

I can see why Iran is going to be such a contested place if shit goes down. It's perfectly situated to be a moderate, wealthy Persian state based on its location alone.

It's a shame we can't bring them into the fold of modern living and have them stand as a bastion of moderation and wealth in a part of the world that actually needs such an example.

Every Persian I've met in China has always been super fucking cool. I never once felt that they were our enemies. I still don't know why we're about to try and destroy these people.

I am worried I may never get the chance to even visit the place at the rate things are going.

Quote: (05-21-2019 09:24 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Every Persian I've met in China has always been super fucking cool. I never once felt that they were our enemies.

Same here.

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I still don't know why we're about to try and destroy these people.

Jew lobby.

Iran already was a modern country, until Jimmy Carter, the self-proclaimed Christian president, stabbed the Shah in the back to promote his bullshit human rights campaign. When I was in college, I had an Iranian roommate and she gave me the inside story on how the US screwed Iran.

   

Iran under the Shah 1970s

Lest we forget...



The great youtube shootup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_he...s_shooting


The perpetrator was identified by police as Nasim Najafi Aghdam (Persian: نسيم نجفى اقدم‎; April 5, 1979 – April 3, 2018), a vegan activist and aspiring fitness personality.[21] She was born in Urmia, Iran, and immigrated to the United States with her family in 1996.[22][23][24] She was a registered member of the Bahá'í Faith[25] and described how veganism was aligned with her religion,[26] but was critical of Middle Eastern cultural practices and Muslims and Bahá'ís who ate animals.[27] She was 38 years old and lived with her grandmother in Riverside County, California.[23][24] She posted content on Facebook, Instagram, Telegram and YouTube in Persian, Azerbaijani, English and Turkish.[23] Her content went viral on Iranian social media and drew widespread attention.[28] She had previously protested with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals against the use of pigs in United States Marine Corps training procedures for victims of trauma.[29]

Quote: (05-21-2019 08:16 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Quote: (05-21-2019 06:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Calling that tweet genocide is a SJW "wow just wow" reaction.

Roast is right, he's talking about the end of the Iranian Regime, not the people.

If that is what he meant, then that's what he should have said - but he didn't.

"the end of Iran" in this instance can only be interpreted as the wholesale destruction of a country and its people.

Please. Trump was threatening the government of Iran, not the people. The govt of Iran doesn't care about the people. They used to march 1000's of their children across minefields to clear them during the Iran-Iraq war.

No, the government of Iran is afraid of being deposed. That's what Trump was threatening. A threat to kill Iranian people would not have any effectiveness with the Iranian government.

Ridiculous strawman. We’re not talking about how the Iranian government treats its people.

We’re also not mind-readers and have to go by what people say. If I were to write “the end of Rooshv Forum” that would mean shutting down the entire blog, and everybody would understand that.

This was a veiled threat at the people. Full stop.

Quote: (05-21-2019 10:22 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

Lest we forget...


The great youtube shootup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_he...s_shooting


The perpetrator was identified by police as Nasim Najafi Aghdam (Persian: نسيم نجفى اقدم‎; April 5, 1979 – April 3, 2018), a vegan activist and aspiring fitness personality.[21] She was born in Urmia, Iran, and immigrated to the United States with her family in 1996.[22][23][24] She was a registered member of the Bahá'í Faith[25] and described how veganism was aligned with her religion,[26] but was critical of Middle Eastern cultural practices and Muslims and Bahá'ís who ate animals.[27] She was 38 years old and lived with her grandmother in Riverside County, California.[23][24] She posted content on Facebook, Instagram, Telegram and YouTube in Persian, Azerbaijani, English and Turkish.[23] Her content went viral on Iranian social media and drew widespread attention.[28] She had previously protested with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals against the use of pigs in United States Marine Corps training procedures for victims of trauma.[29]

MK Ultra program graduate confirmed.

Quote: (05-21-2019 09:24 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I can see why Iran is going to be such a contested place if shit goes down. It's perfectly situated to be a moderate, wealthy Persian state based on its location alone.

It's a shame we can't bring them into the fold of modern living and have them stand as a bastion of moderation and wealth in a part of the world that actually needs such an example.

Every Persian I've met in China has always been super fucking cool. I never once felt that they were our enemies. I still don't know why we're about to try and destroy these people.

I am worried I may never get the chance to even visit the place at the rate things are going.

What do you mean by "fold of modern" living? They are a modern country and they have much stronger family structures than in the west.

I think you mean "why can't they be allies with the west?". Because they don't want to submit to the USA-Israel-Saudi regime that will push the same degeneracy on their people that we have here in the USA and Western Europe. And due to their oil and location they can instead partner up with Russia and China and keep their independence from the west.

I'm not going to say Iran is perfect or great, but looking around the USA today, and it is hard to say we have a brighter future.

I've met a few Persians over the years and they have always been great people. They are frustrated with the govt. situation in Iran being so theocratic. But maybe a theocratic govt. is the only answer against the degeneracy the west pushes.

The USA-Israel-Saudi alliance wants to destroy Iran due to middle east power and control. Iran is the biggest threat to our stake in the middle east and they keep Russia and China supplied with oil without having to go through our allies. So this is a global geo-politics at play, and simply about power and control over a region with the most valuable resource.

Such a shame Iran lost the opportunity to turn their daughters into dead-eyed cumdumpsters to be fucked and chucked by a hundred Chads before committing a slow, childless suicide by red wine and anti-depressants.

It's pretty incredible that we have dozens of threads running detailing the sickening state our civilizations have devolved into.

Universities dedicated to turning out sluts and man-haters.
10 year old children being taught sodomy in public schools.
An entertainment industry pushing POZ degeneracy 24/7.
Transgender children dancing sexually for faggots who throw money at them while crowds applaud.
A divorce-law industry that destroys families and ruins children's lives.
Breakneck speed immigration of dysfunctional primitives that rape, assault and murder the heritage population.
People obsessed with make-believe characters in television shows and movies.
A uniparty political system run almost entirely by Israeli jews.
An abortion industry harvesting the unborn, now in the third trimester in some places.

So go ahead and tell me how stupid and backward Iran is for not falling in with our "advanced" nations. Tell me why they should be so desperate to toss their own sons and daughters into our festering, hellish cultural pit of social degradation.

Westerners are like drug addicts covered in their own fucking vomit pointing and laughing at "those stupid looking Amish prudes".

Quote: (05-21-2019 06:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Calling that tweet genocide is a SJW "wow just wow" reaction.

Roast is right, he's talking about the end of the Iranian Regime, not the people.

I'm just glad nothings happened yet, but waiting for the false flag to happen.

About a decade ago, during the Iraq War surge, it was common for Neocons to try and drum up support for war against Iran by posting videos of Iranian crowds and politicians shouting "Death to America! Death to America!" Iran's defenders would quickly point out that "Death to America" didn't really mean "Death to America" but instead meant "We express our displeasure with the current American leadership!"

I didn't buy that then, and I don't buy that when Trump talks about "The End of Iran" he doesn't mean "The End of Iran", but in fact means, "I am expressing my displeasure with Iran's current leadership!" either.

Dude needs to tone the bullshit rhetoric down and remember that he was elected by a base that was sick of moronic wars.

Israel runs America. To them there's God's Chosen and those God has marked to be slaves to The Chosen.

When you accept this core principle then you realise that of course they seek the end of Iran the same as they seek the end of anything that would mark someone as something other than a slave to The Chosen. They want the end of Iran. They want the end of Sweden and Germany and America and Australia.

By this point you'd have to be deliberately oblivious not to see it. Globalism for thee but not for me is their entire platform.
You're not allowed to have a borders but "it's different for us".
You're not allowed to have a race but "it's different for us".



(As a side note and fun-fact read the Snopes "debunking" of this picture which is laughably pure JQ Streisand effect self-ownage.)

So yeah. The Zion Don does want Iran itself gone because his masters want ALL nations and peoples subdued into one interchangeable mass of slaves to God's Chosen People. Why else would he be angling at breaking an election promise for what appears to be no MAGA payoff whatsoever?

When you accept that your vote is meaningless and that all Western political parties are ZOG outfits then suddenly everything that happens starts to make sense. All the confusing shit ceases to be confusing. It's like suddenly finding the focus knob and instead of a fuzzy blur you see the whole picture with crystal clarity.

How soon people forget..

> the toppling of the Taliban turned into a quagmire
> the toppling of Saddam turned into a quagmire
> the toppling of Gaddafi turned into a quagmire
> the attempted overthrow of Assad turned into a shit show
> the CIA backed Arab uprising turned into a shit show
> The Palestinian-Israel problem is still a shit show
> Sunni Arab states are still doing whatever the fuck they please because they're our "allies"
> Israel wants Greater Israel

So when I see comments where we wouldn't have boots on the ground or its just the government we're after, forgive me for nit picking such thoughts and disregarding them as utter rubbish

The only saving grace here is it hasn't happened yet but Iran is being backed into a corner. Saddam bent over backwards to accommodate these war mongers and he got a noose and we got years of death and destruction across Iraq.

We in the West are ignorant to the consequences of fucking up other countries and their people. Why are so many countries now black listed for us as tourists? Oh yeah, because of these mass murdering pshychopaths.

The real bastards remain alive and very comfortable in the Gulf states, Washington and Israel. Fuck knows when they will get their comeuppance.

Quote: (Yesterday 06:28 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

So go ahead and tell me how stupid and backward Iran is for not falling in with our "advanced" nations. Tell me why they should be so desperate to toss their own sons and daughters into our festering, hellish cultural pit of social degradation.

Westerners are like drug addicts covered in their own fucking vomit pointing and laughing at "those stupid looking Amish prudes".

There's a happy medium between sleeve-tatted cumdumpsters and women having to wear a bag when they go outside.

Quote: (Yesterday 05:17 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

Quote: (Yesterday 06:28 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

So go ahead and tell me how stupid and backward Iran is for not falling in with our "advanced" nations. Tell me why they should be so desperate to toss their own sons and daughters into our festering, hellish cultural pit of social degradation.

Westerners are like drug addicts covered in their own fucking vomit pointing and laughing at "those stupid looking Amish prudes".

There's a happy medium between sleeve-tatted cumdumpsters and women having to wear a bag when they go outside.

There certain is a happy medium but how long can a civilization remain in this happy medium? Not long if the elites determine profits are more important than family. And encouraging women to behave the way they do in the USA maximizes the elites profits in ways never dreamed of prior to the sexual revolution.

I stopped to think about my last post and the post I replied to. I am getting older, I want a family, if I have a family I will likely have one daughter. How, in the USA, do you keep your daughter from falling into this degenerate crap. I work with young women and they look so very unhappy. They are searching so hard for a way to find a strong man, and there are very few of them. Men have been destroyed by this system and the women are trying everything possible to get to a place where they can find strong men. The problem is, there is a lack of strong men for the number of women. Partially due to more men being weak but even many of the stronger men are not in a financial position to provide for these women the ways men in the past used to do.

Women didn't behave like this 30 years ago, was it social pressure? Partially yes. But partially they didn't have to do so, there were strong masculine men every where, to the point they actually went on TV for years and said they wanted softer more effeminate men. They go their wish and now the result is a nightmare for everyone.

Anyway, where would you rather your daughter grow up? In a religious theocracy where they have to cover their hair and behave in a modest fashion but have a strong husband to support and protect them. Or in our current modern system. I think I would choose the theocracy for my daughter if given this choice. I don't have a choice, so I will do my best to steer them in the right direction in the USA, but with social media, smart phones, constant messages from the media/school/leaders, and their friends peer pressure, it seems like an overwhelming battle to win.

Quote: (Today 07:53 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

I stopped to think about my last post and the post I replied to. I am getting older, I want a family, if I have a family I will likely have one daughter. How, in the USA, do you keep your daughter from falling into this degenerate crap. I work with young women and they look so very unhappy. They are searching so hard for a way to find a strong man, and there are very few of them. Men have been destroyed by this system and the women are trying everything possible to get to a place where they can find strong men. The problem is, there is a lack of strong men for the number of women. Partially due to more men being weak but even many of the stronger men are not in a financial position to provide for these women the ways men in the past used to do.

Women didn't behave like this 30 years ago, was it social pressure? Partially yes. But partially they didn't have to do so, there were strong masculine men every where, to the point they actually went on TV for years and said they wanted softer more effeminate men. They go their wish and now the result is a nightmare for everyone.

Anyway, where would you rather your daughter grow up? In a religious theocracy where they have to cover their hair and behave in a modest fashion but have a strong husband to support and protect them. Or in our current modern system. I think I would choose the theocracy for my daughter if given this choice. I don't have a choice, so I will do my best to steer them in the right direction in the USA, but with social media, smart phones, constant messages from the media/school/leaders, and their friends peer pressure, it seems like an overwhelming battle to win.

So then, you are a supporter of Ihan Omar? She covers her head.

Quote: (Today 08:52 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

Quote: (Today 07:53 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

I stopped to think about my last post and the post I replied to. I am getting older, I want a family, if I have a family I will likely have one daughter. How, in the USA, do you keep your daughter from falling into this degenerate crap. I work with young women and they look so very unhappy. They are searching so hard for a way to find a strong man, and there are very few of them. Men have been destroyed by this system and the women are trying everything possible to get to a place where they can find strong men. The problem is, there is a lack of strong men for the number of women. Partially due to more men being weak but even many of the stronger men are not in a financial position to provide for these women the ways men in the past used to do.

Women didn't behave like this 30 years ago, was it social pressure? Partially yes. But partially they didn't have to do so, there were strong masculine men every where, to the point they actually went on TV for years and said they wanted softer more effeminate men. They go their wish and now the result is a nightmare for everyone.

Anyway, where would you rather your daughter grow up? In a religious theocracy where they have to cover their hair and behave in a modest fashion but have a strong husband to support and protect them. Or in our current modern system. I think I would choose the theocracy for my daughter if given this choice. I don't have a choice, so I will do my best to steer them in the right direction in the USA, but with social media, smart phones, constant messages from the media/school/leaders, and their friends peer pressure, it seems like an overwhelming battle to win.

So then, you are a supporter of Ihan Omar? She covers her head.

She is one of the few politicians to call out Israel/Saudi influence over our govt., so I give her credit there.

She does lots of things I don't like too. But she is either very brave or very dumb but honest, to call out the Israel/Saudi influence.

But this strawman has nothing to do with my comment. Where would you rather raise your daughters, in a theocracy or our current environment?

Quote: (Today 09:02 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Quote: (Today 08:52 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

Quote: (Today 07:53 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

I stopped to think about my last post and the post I replied to. I am getting older, I want a family, if I have a family I will likely have one daughter. How, in the USA, do you keep your daughter from falling into this degenerate crap. I work with young women and they look so very unhappy. They are searching so hard for a way to find a strong man, and there are very few of them. Men have been destroyed by this system and the women are trying everything possible to get to a place where they can find strong men. The problem is, there is a lack of strong men for the number of women. Partially due to more men being weak but even many of the stronger men are not in a financial position to provide for these women the ways men in the past used to do.

Women didn't behave like this 30 years ago, was it social pressure? Partially yes. But partially they didn't have to do so, there were strong masculine men every where, to the point they actually went on TV for years and said they wanted softer more effeminate men. They go their wish and now the result is a nightmare for everyone.

Anyway, where would you rather your daughter grow up? In a religious theocracy where they have to cover their hair and behave in a modest fashion but have a strong husband to support and protect them. Or in our current modern system. I think I would choose the theocracy for my daughter if given this choice. I don't have a choice, so I will do my best to steer them in the right direction in the USA, but with social media, smart phones, constant messages from the media/school/leaders, and their friends peer pressure, it seems like an overwhelming battle to win.

So then, you are a supporter of Ihan Omar? She covers her head.

She is one of the few politicians to call out Israel/Saudi influence over our govt., so I give her credit there.

She does lots of things I don't like too. But she is either very brave or very dumb but honest, to call out the Israel/Saudi influence.

But this strawman has nothing to do with my comment. Where would you rather raise your daughters, in a theocracy or our current environment?

No strawman. I was just asking a question because I was curious. The women in the theocracies can be worse than the current environment. There is no substitute for a strong father.