This was apparantley the meat of his last post before getting banned

With the increase of political posts, I don't think anyone should be surprised by this.

While I don't agree with his political and racial views, I still read them without getting triggered or upset. Bar none his site was best game resource I've ever read...anytime I had a sticking point I could type it in the search box and find 10 posts about it. Never had an instance in the 6 years I've been reading the blog in which I applied his advice and it didn't work.

Hope he had the prescience to back-up his entire site.

We should be all grabbing the pitchforks and torches (yes I know, me first).

This illegal shit will get out of hand. First Daily Stormer then RoK getting shut down, (for "hate speech". Hate speech is FREE SPEECH), now CH. Soon they will zero in on this forum and more.

An attack on one of us is an attack on ALL of us. WE are being silenced, not just the creators of the sites. We, as posters, are likewise being shut up. And that should piss us all off.

Things have escalated.

We all know this. We all saw what happened. We all know what Heartiste wrote about.

At the risk of LARPing, I post this here because everyone including CH knows the stakes.

Does Heartiste post here? Does anyone know him?

I notice that Wordpress has several different pricing brackets. You can use it for free and pay for other versions of it. Was Heartiste using the free part? Or was he paying for it?

This has been the problem with "free Internet" since the days of NetZero. If the service is free, you are NOT a customer. You are a simply a user, and it's probable that you are being used just as much as you are using the service. A business is much more likely to treat people like customers if they are paying for the service.

If you have a blog or something else, get on a site that you have to pay for. They are less likely to get rid of you if you are a paying customer.

Comments from Tuthmosis and vinman from back in the day (2014), before it was clearer that CH wasn't the same author as the original Roissy:

Quote: (06-02-2014 04:39 PM)vinman Wrote:  

Quote: (06-02-2014 03:51 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (06-02-2014 12:58 PM)Dagonet Wrote:  

Can't Roissy's importance be mentioned as part of a citation from an acceptable source? This does seem pretty crucial to me. You can't deny the Manosphere sprung up around him and Roosh, essentially. If you're detailing the history/formation, this is a lynchpin.

Quote: (06-02-2014 03:37 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Roissy (perhaps the best and most articulate writer out there)

Let's be careful not to overstate the importance of Roissy. I see him as a relatively short-lived and limited contributor to the Manosphere who became obsolete--by choice, it seems--several years ago. While he arguably deserves mention, and made important statements during his two or three years of relevance, he isn't a face on the Mount Rushmore of the Manosphere. The Manosphere certainly didn't "spring up around him."

Furthermore, there are risks to citing him (apart from whatever restrictions Wikipedia places) given his hard turn to bizarre racial and political territory in the last several years (e.g., his preoccupation with something he terms "racial cuckoldry").

Roissy, while once an astute commentator, has hurt the Manosphere as much or more than he's aided it--arming the opposition with some of its only potentially valid criticisms of movement.

I have to go with Tuth on Roissy. I've got skin like concrete. I don't have an immediate butt hurt response to racial issues. I can look at these things dispassionately and come to my own conclusions. But after reading his articles, and then the comments sections I finally said enough of this stuff, and I never looked back.

thread-36585...#pid743139

I don't believe in censorship, but I have to agree with Tuth and vinman on the effect on the "manosphere."

Comment by MikeCF on the distinction between the original Roissy and the later CH:

thread-36585...#pid743145

^^^^^

You are correct in your assessment of Heartiste. However, this line of thinking is playing into the frame of the media, the schools, and the corporate HR departments.

Is Heartiste rude, insensitive, and hostile to racial, ethnic, and religious minorities? Yes. Is his site repulsive to anyone but straight, white Christian males? Probably so. Would words like "bigot" apply? Yes.

Now ask yourself: WHY is he like this?

Heartiste (and others) evolved into this because of experiencing over 50 years of anti-white hatred spewed by our schools, our TV shows, our movies, and even our government.

For decades, white men were told to suck it up, that they were "oppressors," and were responsible for the evils of the country -- if not the world. And for decades, most white men bought into this. Then two things happened.

1). The Internet came around. Gradually, white men were able to get ANOTHER perspective on history outside of the education industrial complex. And history showed them as pioneers, innovators, and builders of civilizations.

"We didn't destroy," they realized. "We constructed entire countries. We invented technology and modern conveniences. We even wrote the document(s) that gave people freedom."

2). The old morality was dubbed 'obsolete'. Follow me on this. For all those decades, the reason most white men didn't fire back at anti-white minorities was the white men's sense of old-school morality, based on Christian teachings. "Love your neighbor. Do unto others."

Then the left told us that morality was no longer valid. In fact, it was bigoted. They said to accept gay marriage OR ELSE. They told us to celebrate kids who want to be trannies. They told us to accept single mothers and broken homes as "alternative families."

"Wait a minute," the white man thought. "No one else is moral anymore. Why am I the ONLY one expected to live within rules, as if it's still 1956? I say fuck these people -- and I'm gonna say it in print, just like they do in their newspapers and textbooks."

And that's what brought us here. Heartiste isn't the problem. He and others like him are the reaction. (The same goes for Heartiste's take on feminism, but that's not the issue here.)

This makes more sense when you view on a personal level. If you saw me every day and I called you nasty names you might laugh me off at first. Maybe you'd ignore me for a while. But eventually you'd realize that was getting you nowhere are you'd have some choice words for me in return.

That's the Heartiste blog.

< Heartiste has just moved towards the political topics - also ones relevant to immigration and race. Oh - big surprise that Tuth and Vinman did not like that. But it was actually a natural development as Trump was also a reaction to what is going on. Yeah - Wakanda and Relgion of Peace proponents don't like that - it's all wonderful what is happening in the West, right?

Heartiste's Game advice was as valid as before, he just realized what is hurting the West before other men. But it becomes less of an issue to get laid with sluts while the globhomos are destroying the male-female relationship patterns, families and in the same time flooding it with immigrants who hate the people who created the West. It's ironic that Tuth would have banned Heartiste similarly to the Orwellian left - if he posted here in his time, then the real Roissy would be long gone. People think that Roissy is a different guy while the reality is that he simply was not satisfied with just banging only bar-sluts in an enjoy-the-decline nihilistic mindset. If he were, then the elite wouldn't care. So far RSD is allowed to teach all the Game they can so long as they stay apolitical. And it's true that there is some merit to that, but that would mean that you close your eyes, ears and mouth and just focus on the next Tinder, stewardess or Instagram game thread. Any deviation of the globohomo-civnat-multicultural-"Red-Pill-men"-utopia viewpoint would be also instantly banned similarly to how Twitter bans any thought-criminals as well. You are essentially just radical civnat-Redpillers who see nothing wrong with the fact that Germnay becomes majority Muslim in 2100 (50% of the 130 mio. projected German population will be Muslim while the native Germans then will be 20%!). According to them it's all fine and dandy so long as the "new Germans" are Red Pill and embody the mythical German civnat-spirit. But Heartiste is the bad guy here?

Heartiste realises that it's not enough to speak the truth.

You have to unshackle yourself from cucked political correctness or your audience rightly senses your spiritual and psychological weakness.

Quote: (05-12-2019 07:52 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

^^^^^

You are correct in your assessment of Heartiste. However, this line of thinking is playing into the frame of the media, the schools, and the corporate HR departments.

Is Heartiste rude, insensitive, and hostile to racial, ethnic, and religious minorities? Yes. Is his site repulsive to anyone but straight, white Christian males? Probably so. Would words like "bigot" apply? Yes.

Now ask yourself: WHY is he like this?

Heartiste (and others) evolved into this because of experiencing over 50 years of anti-white hatred spewed by our schools, our TV shows, our movies, and even our government.

For decades, white men were told to suck it up, that they were "oppressors," and were responsible for the evils of the country -- if not the world. And for decades, most white men bought into this. Then two things happened.

1). The Internet came around. Gradually, white men were able to get ANOTHER perspective on history outside of the education industrial complex. And history showed them as pioneers, innovators, and builders of civilizations.

"We didn't destroy," they realized. "We constructed entire countries. We invented technology and modern conveniences. We even wrote the document(s) that gave people freedom."

2). The old morality was dubbed 'obsolete'. Follow me on this. For all those decades, the reason most white men didn't fire back at anti-white minorities was the white men's sense of old-school morality, based on Christian teachings. "Love your neighbor. Do unto others."

Then the left told us that morality was no longer valid. In fact, it was bigoted. They said to accept gay marriage OR ELSE. They told us to celebrate kids who want to be trannies. They told us to accept single mothers and broken homes as "alternative families."

"Wait a minute," the white man thought. "No one else is moral anymore. Why am I the ONLY one expected to live within rules, as if it's still 1956? I say fuck these people -- and I'm gonna say it in print, just like they do in their newspapers and textbooks."

And that's what brought us here. Heartiste isn't the problem. He and others like him are the reaction. (The same goes for Heartiste's take on feminism, but that's not the issue here.)

This makes more sense when you view on a personal level. If you saw me every day and I called you nasty names you might laugh me off at first. Maybe you'd ignore me for a while. But eventually you'd realize that was getting you nowhere are you'd have some choice words for me in return.

That's the Heartiste blog.

Sure, there's anti-white hatred out there. There's all kinds of hatred out there. Two issues:

1. Social media is not real life. On social media, it's all anons or even blue checks saying "cancel white men" or variation, etc., eg on Twitter. You should screen that out. In real life, people mostly get along and are even kind, even though the USA definitely has issues with polite conduct. White men still run things.

2. Because of social media and their own isolated experiences, people nurture a sense of racial grievance beyond what full reality reflects. The CH guy always struck me as a guy who had been a victim of street crime in DC, got beat up by a bunch of black teenagers maybe (yes, it happens) or lost out on a job because of Affirmative Action, and his whole identity became centered around those experiences.

There was no reflection in his rantings about black people that their ancestors didn't come here by choice. And in my, and I believe your, lifetime they were subject to severe legal, social, political, and economic barriers.

I am old enough to remember the old way of teaching history. Yes, a lot of facts were elided, like the brutality of slavery and the massacres in the West. When we were children, cowboys = good guys, Indians = bad guys. Reality was more complicated.

My only allegiance is to the truth. The facts are what they are. There are no simple answers.

Not long ago you wrote that hate crime/civil rights laws gave minorities "protected status." I pointed out this was in error, both in text of the law and in the operation of the law:

thread-71935...pid1976249

I've met white guys saying the same thing several times, you're not the only one. These ideas contribute to resentment.

My most valuable experiences in assessing the world were:
1. military service with Americans of all types, and
2. thousands of days sitting in criminal courts working on my own cases and watching the rest of the cases.

Are there injustices against white guys? Absolutely. Would I rather be black in America or Europe? Hell no.

MSM massively Jewish and massively anti-white.
Interracial crime massively black targeting whites.
"Hate groups" defined as anything pro-white.
Everything short of a terrorist organisation pro-non-white gets funding and a blind eye on legality.
Pro-whites deplatformed and banned from social media.
Anti-whites celebrated on same.
Whites capped in college admissions.
Ivy league white spots go 50% to jews who are 2% of the population.

These are the facts. These are the things that lead to resentment.

If you spun this stuff 180 then minorities would be in open revolt and the UN would be rolling tanks in to "rectify the situation".

That boomer "everyone is to blame" bullshit is so tired. Put it to rest already.

Most whites want nothing but genuine meritocracy or at least genuine equality of opportunity but more and more American whites are waking up to the fact that that's never going to happen this side of a civil war and a redrawing of national boundaries, and until that happens things are only going to get worse.

Now generally speaking you can draw a line at a certain age where the old folks can't see their way to the other side of a serious conflict and just want to keep their pensions and their cushy lifestyle in tact, so they preach civnat cuckery all day long.

Fuck them. They sold out for a cushy life and now they want their kids to shut up and play nice while the prison door closes. May they spend their twilight years starving to death in the cold for how they've sold their nations out and their children's futures for real estate portfolios and feelgood platitudes.

Any American lawyers inclined to weigh in?
Voxday :

Always read the fine print
Wordpress, which recently deplatformed Chateau Heartiste, really needs to hire better lawyers. Consider the two following sections of its Terms of Use.

Quote:Quote:

15. Jurisdiction and Applicable Law.
Except to the extent any applicable law provides otherwise, the Agreement and any access to or use of our Services will be governed by the laws of the state of California, U.S.A., excluding its conflict of law provisions. The proper venue for any disputes arising out of or relating to the Agreement and any access to or use of our Services will be the state and federal courts located in San Francisco County, California.

16. Arbitration Agreement
Except for claims for injunctive or equitable relief or claims regarding intellectual property rights (which may be brought in any competent court without the posting of a bond), any dispute arising under the Agreement shall be finally settled in accordance with the Comprehensive Arbitration Rules of the Judicial Arbitration and Mediation Service, Inc. (“JAMS”) by three arbitrators appointed in accordance with such Rules. The arbitration shall take place in San Francisco, California, in the English language and the arbitral decision may be enforced in any court. The prevailing party in any action or proceeding to enforce the Agreement shall be entitled to costs and attorneys’ fees.

So, Wordpress requires arbitration through the JAMS system, and they require the arbitration to take place in California. Not only that, but they declare that whoever wins can claim costs and attorneys's fees. This, of course, is meant to dissuade people like Heartiste from taking them to arbitration.

But not so fast. JAMS enforces the following standards, which are based on California law.

Quote:Quote:

Consumer Arbitration Minimum Standards

JAMS will administer arbitrations pursuant to mandatory pre-dispute arbitration clauses between companies and consumers only if the contract arbitration clause and specified applicable rules comply with the following minimum standards of fairness.

The consumer must have a right to an in-person hearing in his or her hometown area.

With respect to the cost of the arbitration, when a consumer initiates arbitration against the company, the only fee required to be paid by the consumer is $250, which is approximately equivalent to current Court filing fees. All other costs must be borne by the company, including any remaining JAMS Case Management Fee and all professional fees for the arbitrator's services. When the company is the claiming party initiating an arbitration against the consumer, the company will be required to pay all costs associated with the arbitration.

In California, the arbitration provision may not require the consumer to pay the fees and costs incurred by the opposing party if the consumer does not prevail.

In other words, Chateau (or any of his readers) can bring an arbitration against Wordpress for $250, can do it in his hometown area rather than on Wordpress's turf, and cannot be forced to pay costs or legal fees even if he loses.

Always read the fine print.

There's no reason for there to be two authors of CH. Most people change over a period of decades. Look at the shift of focus of Roosh himself, for instance.

And frankly, there's a clearly defined limit in studying female nature. Once you've mined that as far as it goes it's natural to broaden outward into the larger socio-political landscape.

The problem is there's a hell of a lot more solidarity when it comes to straight men simply trying to find the best path to fulfill their biological imperative than there is in political viewpoints. So once you grab a banner and start waving it, you will alienate some of your followers.

If I were the author or CH I would rather let my site die off than fight and risk losing my anonymity. You can always move to Gab or another decentralized censorship-free platform in the future. It's too scary right now to get doxxed. Sure, you can live without PayPal, social media apps but now MasterCard and banks are Thanos'ing customers (with Visa soon to follow..). Leftoids used to harrass your place of work and today they are going for payment processors. You can accept Bitcoin and other anonymous crypto assets but how do you convert that to cash when all the major banking institutions black list you and anyone that helps? All it takes these days is a phone call from a publication like BuzzFeed or Vice asking a bank or an app platform why they support a wrongthinker and you'll see senior management quickly buckle from the pressure.

I'm not sure what ill do if they go after the Chan's. Using mIRC will truely feel like we are underground. I can see Gab being the real alternative. After they sanitise the internet of the right wing it won't be long before the far left is silenced and de-personed, at least that's what I imagine happening until a decentralized internet saves us.

This is a sad day, roissy was my proper introduction to game and he was instrumental in my transition from a nerdy beta to a nerd that gets laid sometimes.

Right wingers need to engage in samizdat. Download your favorite articles, videos, books, podcasts by your favorite creators and archive them. Obviously don’t undermine their business model but when the time comes that they’re deplatformed, spread their gospel like wildfire through the underground. I’m going to see what I can salvage from Roissy’s archives and compile them. Our sons and their sons will benefit from this knowledge, even if it proves dated at the time.

Heartiste was one of the greatest modern thinkers and writers ive encountered. I will miss him dearly and i hope he turns up somewhere again. His blog had a specific audience, but thats why i appreciated it so much. Hardly anyone out there talking and exploring the issues that are confronting white, straight, western men. Explaining harsh truths has never been appealling to diversity.

I have some archives, but im missing a post of his and i cant find it. It was his post on the game of rapidly induced love: speed seduction. He had some great questions to ask women in that post. Anyone have it?

Quote: (05-12-2019 12:07 PM)uncledick Wrote:  

I have some archives, but im missing a post of his and i cant find it. It was his post on the game of rapidly induced love: speed seduction. He had some great questions to ask women in that post. Anyone have it?

His site is reasonably documented on the Internet Archive. I'd try searching there. If you do find it please link it here, I'd like to read it!

Quote: (05-12-2019 08:59 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Any American lawyers inclined to weigh in?
Voxday :

Always read the fine print
Wordpress, which recently deplatformed Chateau Heartiste, really needs to hire better lawyers. Consider the two following sections of its Terms of Use.

Quote:Quote:

15. Jurisdiction and Applicable Law.
Except to the extent any applicable law provides otherwise, the Agreement and any access to or use of our Services will be governed by the laws of the state of California, U.S.A., excluding its conflict of law provisions. The proper venue for any disputes arising out of or relating to the Agreement and any access to or use of our Services will be the state and federal courts located in San Francisco County, California.

16. Arbitration Agreement
Except for claims for injunctive or equitable relief or claims regarding intellectual property rights (which may be brought in any competent court without the posting of a bond), any dispute arising under the Agreement shall be finally settled in accordance with the Comprehensive Arbitration Rules of the Judicial Arbitration and Mediation Service, Inc. (“JAMS”) by three arbitrators appointed in accordance with such Rules. The arbitration shall take place in San Francisco, California, in the English language and the arbitral decision may be enforced in any court. The prevailing party in any action or proceeding to enforce the Agreement shall be entitled to costs and attorneys’ fees.

So, Wordpress requires arbitration through the JAMS system, and they require the arbitration to take place in California. Not only that, but they declare that whoever wins can claim costs and attorneys's fees. This, of course, is meant to dissuade people like Heartiste from taking them to arbitration.

But not so fast. JAMS enforces the following standards, which are based on California law.

Quote:Quote:

Consumer Arbitration Minimum Standards

JAMS will administer arbitrations pursuant to mandatory pre-dispute arbitration clauses between companies and consumers only if the contract arbitration clause and specified applicable rules comply with the following minimum standards of fairness.

The consumer must have a right to an in-person hearing in his or her hometown area.

With respect to the cost of the arbitration, when a consumer initiates arbitration against the company, the only fee required to be paid by the consumer is $250, which is approximately equivalent to current Court filing fees. All other costs must be borne by the company, including any remaining JAMS Case Management Fee and all professional fees for the arbitrator's services. When the company is the claiming party initiating an arbitration against the consumer, the company will be required to pay all costs associated with the arbitration.

In California, the arbitration provision may not require the consumer to pay the fees and costs incurred by the opposing party if the consumer does not prevail.

In other words, Chateau (or any of his readers) can bring an arbitration against Wordpress for $250, can do it in his hometown area rather than on Wordpress's turf, and cannot be forced to pay costs or legal fees even if he loses.

Always read the fine print.

I read that. It's ridiculous. Non-lawyer "I'm a mastermind" thinking.

The issue isn't procedure. It's that there's no good substantive claim.

What's the complaint? Breach of contract? No, the Terms of Service say they can do what they want. Consumer protection law? Even if it's a "consumer," rather than a commercial transaction, where's the deception or unfair practices? We all know the First Amendment doesn't apply. "Public policy?" Lol, the last refuge of a losing complaint. Where are the damages? Monetary? Emotional distress?

So what if he complains to JAMS or even in federal court in his hometown? He still loses on the merits.

And, what I didn't think of before [email protected] pointed it out, he'd have to out himself in any legal complaint.

It is a major loss. Great writer. I hope his content was backed up somewhere.

Heartiste is one author. The writing style is totally the same (with natural variation over time, the fundamentals stayed the same) and he makes references to obscure posts from 10+ years ago. You could go back to 2007 and compare it with the recent posts and it's pretty easy to see.

It's a shame that hes' gone even though I moved on. It was one of my first stops on the red pill journey and a link I found on his blog to a Christian blog opened up 90% of the rest of the path.

I think the real issue with heartiste is that they're waking up to the idea that the red pill on modern society is a pathway to the red pill on evil. They were ok with it as long as it lead to materialism and inversion of the natural order but after Roosh woke up they can see a danger. That's the true war.

A lawsuit is out of the question so long as Twitter and co. is not defined as a public utility. If gas and power had the some "private company" ability to shut down wrong-thinkers then countless men would be already sitting in the dark.

The internet forms natural monopolies and information dissemination should be free with clearly designed "marketplaces" that are protected by the freedom of speech. But let's face it - the elite hates that anyway. They don't even need the free internet anymore to find out what everyone thinks. They have the smartphones and computers with plenty of backdoors that listen in on your conversations and all your transactions. So they can safely begin to shut down the thought-criminal opinion leaders. I don't think that any country in the world will remain that will declare Twitter or Facebook a public utility. Only clearly illegal content should be able to have you shut down - meaning that if you can be arrested for it. And even then - they were arresting grandmas for posting "hate-speech" content in Sweden or UK, because they mentioned some migrant shitting on their street. But hate-speech is an Orwellian term anyway.

My prediction is that Heartiste will either come back on another site or he takes it as a warning shot by the Big Boys and stays offline. Because next they might come after him personally and ruin his personal life for real. I doubt that he is truly an idealist. He is more of a black-pilled Manosophere shitposter on top of providing good Game content. So it's possible that he may not return.

Quote: (05-12-2019 08:42 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-12-2019 07:52 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

^^^^^

You are correct in your assessment of Heartiste. However, this line of thinking is playing into the frame of the media, the schools, and the corporate HR departments.

Is Heartiste rude, insensitive, and hostile to racial, ethnic, and religious minorities? Yes. Is his site repulsive to anyone but straight, white Christian males? Probably so. Would words like "bigot" apply? Yes.

Now ask yourself: WHY is he like this?

Heartiste (and others) evolved into this because of experiencing over 50 years of anti-white hatred spewed by our schools, our TV shows, our movies, and even our government.

For decades, white men were told to suck it up, that they were "oppressors," and were responsible for the evils of the country -- if not the world. And for decades, most white men bought into this. Then two things happened.

1). The Internet came around. Gradually, white men were able to get ANOTHER perspective on history outside of the education industrial complex. And history showed them as pioneers, innovators, and builders of civilizations.

"We didn't destroy," they realized. "We constructed entire countries. We invented technology and modern conveniences. We even wrote the document(s) that gave people freedom."

2). The old morality was dubbed 'obsolete'. Follow me on this. For all those decades, the reason most white men didn't fire back at anti-white minorities was the white men's sense of old-school morality, based on Christian teachings. "Love your neighbor. Do unto others."

Then the left told us that morality was no longer valid. In fact, it was bigoted. They said to accept gay marriage OR ELSE. They told us to celebrate kids who want to be trannies. They told us to accept single mothers and broken homes as "alternative families."

"Wait a minute," the white man thought. "No one else is moral anymore. Why am I the ONLY one expected to live within rules, as if it's still 1956? I say fuck these people -- and I'm gonna say it in print, just like they do in their newspapers and textbooks."

And that's what brought us here. Heartiste isn't the problem. He and others like him are the reaction. (The same goes for Heartiste's take on feminism, but that's not the issue here.)

This makes more sense when you view on a personal level. If you saw me every day and I called you nasty names you might laugh me off at first. Maybe you'd ignore me for a while. But eventually you'd realize that was getting you nowhere are you'd have some choice words for me in return.

That's the Heartiste blog.

Sure, there's anti-white hatred out there. There's all kinds of hatred out there. Two issues:

1. Social media is not real life. On social media, it's all anons or even blue checks saying "cancel white men" or variation, etc., eg on Twitter. You should screen that out. In real life, people mostly get along and are even kind, even though the USA definitely has issues with polite conduct. White men still run things.

2. Because of social media and their own isolated experiences, people nurture a sense of racial grievance beyond what full reality reflects. The CH guy always struck me as a guy who had been a victim of street crime in DC, got beat up by a bunch of black teenagers maybe (yes, it happens) or lost out on a job because of Affirmative Action, and his whole identity became centered around those experiences.

There was no reflection in his rantings about black people that their ancestors didn't come here by choice. And in my, and I believe your, lifetime they were subject to severe legal, social, political, and economic barriers.

I am old enough to remember the old way of teaching history. Yes, a lot of facts were elided, like the brutality of slavery and the massacres in the West. When we were children, cowboys = good guys, Indians = bad guys. Reality was more complicated.

My only allegiance is to the truth. The facts are what they are. There are no simple answers.

Not long ago you wrote that hate crime/civil rights laws gave minorities "protected status." I pointed out this was in error, both in text of the law and in the operation of the law:

thread-71935...pid1976249

I've met white guys saying the same thing several times, you're not the only one. These ideas contribute to resentment.

My most valuable experiences in assessing the world were:
1. military service with Americans of all types, and
2. thousands of days sitting in criminal courts working on my own cases and watching the rest of the cases.

Are there injustices against white guys? Absolutely. Would I rather be black in America or Europe? Hell no.

My post was about why Heartiste got the way he did. It was not written to tackle racial issues for their own sake. "Race threads" are frowned upon here, and that's what this is becoming.

As for the "protected class" subject, I am talking about people's perception of hate crime laws, not how they are applied in the courtroom. Most people don't go in courtrooms. But they know if they punch the gay guy or black guy it could possibly be considered a hate crime, and with a straight white guy it can't. That's the difference. Outside the courtroom, this has changed the way various groups feel about each other.

For discussions on racial issues per se, I'd suggest The Unz Review, specifically the blogs by Steve Sailer and Paul Kersey.

Quote: (05-12-2019 11:18 AM)Extinguished Light Wrote:  

Right wingers need to engage in samizdat. Download your favorite articles, videos, books, podcasts by your favorite creators and archive them. Obviously don’t undermine their business model but when the time comes that they’re deplatformed, spread their gospel like wildfire through the underground. I’m going to see what I can salvage from Roissy’s archives and compile them. Our sons and their sons will benefit from this knowledge, even if it proves dated at the time.

I think the only long term solution for Western men to fix this problem is similar. Download everything into an encrypted drive that can be stored offline. Cherry pick the best work, and print / copy it down somewhere. It would be great if somebody would take the time and maybe create a book like "Best Of The Manosphere" kind of like what Roosh has now done. This way, the work truly can live forever.

Who knows how long the "free" internet in it's form is going to last. The people being hired to maintain it? Affirmative action hires. The people protecting it? Military intelligence, because remember, they CREATED it. They know all to well that all it takes for an internet blackout is going to be a Carrington Event, basically just a massive solar storm that acts like an EMP, frying all non-hardened network infrastructure. The Governments of the world are desperately attempting to harden as we speak. Trump just signed an executive order to begin the process.

Keep the knowledge offline. Pass it down through the generation and in this fashion, it will never die out. I truly do commend the thought-criminals and dissidents who are fighting the good fight. That said, how many are ready to willingly have your name and face plastered all over Fake news articles for "Hate speech" like Roosh V? That takes serious balls, and even Roosh has said himself, that he has envisioned himself homeless in the future, and does not fear being locked out of the matrix.

It comes down to this. Either keep silent, and quietly work against them whilst maintaining connection to the "Matrix", or go John Galt and rebel with everything to lose. Only the bravest of the brave will choose the second.

Quote: (05-12-2019 04:04 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

My post was about why Heartiste got the way he did. It was not written to tackle racial issues for their own sake. "Race threads" are frowned upon here, and that's what this is becoming.

As for the "protected class" subject, I am talking about people's perception of hate crime laws, not how they are applied in the courtroom. Most people don't go in courtrooms. But they know if they punch the gay guy or black guy it could possibly be considered a hate crime, and with a straight white guy it can't. That's the difference. Outside the courtroom, this has changed the way various groups feel about each other.

For discussions on racial issues per se, I'd suggest The Unz Review, specifically the blogs by Steve Sailer and Paul Kersey.

So, what you're now saying is, it doesn't make any difference what the facts are, only how "people" or Heartiste feels? That's quite post-modernist.
Or is it how you feel, and you're projecting to "people?"

You said

Quote: (05-07-2019 06:05 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

My thoughts:

1). As I've written before, hate crime laws gave minorities "protected" status so it put them in a category where their lives are valued more than the average person's. Laws are not just laws. They mold our behavior. As such, minority groups have become quasi-religious figures than regular folks commit "sins" against. That's what happened here.

This is why intent doesn't matter anymore. So the longtime concept of "mens rea" is obsolete in cases like this. When you sin against the clergy, it doesn't matter if it was an accident. You get punished either way.

That's just wrong, as I explain in detail here:

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You were in error, why deny it?

And your answer is "they know if they punch the gay guy or black guy it could possibly be considered a hate crime, and with a straight white guy it can't"

Let me clue you in as a lawyer: punching anyone is a crime. If he falls the wrong way, it's manslaughter. Depending on how much you punch, it can be assault with intent to murder or aggravated battery.

Hate crimes are the least of the issues, and only operative, as I told you, with evidence to prove the intent to intimidate based on race, etc.

The readers of this forum deserve to get accurate information about legal matters.

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