Hey everyone. A thought experiment for discussion.

Some recent YouTubes I've watched and books I've read talked about single mothers being 'the bottom of the barrel', or have 'halved their SMV'.

I'll admit previously I've never considered them, as the thought of putting in my time, energy and money into raising another man's child just seemed so wasteful when I'd rather invest in my own.

Now, as with many things in life, there are exceptions. About 2 years ago, I established a business relationship with an extremely attractive (I'd give her a 9), happy, friendly single mum with a son who was about 7 years old.

At the time I was engaged and viewed our relationship as business only. However, I just saw her celebrate her 28th birthday on Facebook, and now that I'm single myself (41yo), realising how much of a top notch chick she is, this situation has me thinking.

She's entrepreneurial (small business owner, not a career driven corporate freak), responsible, a hard worker, and just a very positive all round nice person. If she wasn't a single mum, she'd have Chad's lining up and would be with a footballer or similar. AFAIK, her ex was a famous pianist.

So if you were to 'minus 100 points!' for being a single mum, that would be deducted from a pretty bloody high score.

The kid himself seems like a very well behaved nice, quiet kid.

I'm not seriously thinking of getting in touch with her or trying to start something - however now that I have a close friend just start seeing a single mum, it got me thinking how would it all go down and is it as bad as some make out to be?

Given that I want 3 kids of my own, my initial thoughts are that she (or any other single mums) might be 'over' having kids, or not want that an additional 3. So that would be the first hurdle.

Secondly, the kids dad is still around and sharing in the parenting and so I assume he's still paying for stuff, I wonder - would this continue? He's not the type to cut and run although I suspect his financial support might drift off if a new husband came not the scene and had more kids with her.

Obviously I'd need to live with him being around, attending various gradations and other life events for his son, although in my mind (especially with all the broken and mixed up families these days) I would see them as pretty separate and (not being the jealous type) I think that would be fine (as long as he wasn't a fuckhead).

Sure, as a defacto father figure, I'd probably need to provide fatherly advice and dish out some discipline / punishments, especially as the boy goes through his teen years (which would be a drag I'm guessing), draining the energy I'll need for my own kids who would be 4 to 10 years old.

How has it worked out for others?

I'm an older guy, so kids come with the milfs I bang mostly. The older women without kids are much more fucked up and unsuitable than the Milfs with kids.
Something about hitting 40 and not having kids makes a woman go crazy.

They get a lot of hate on this forum. Being a single mum doesn't automatically make a shit woman.

I had a very happy LTR with a 40 yo Milf, whos cock count was 1 before me, her husband of 10 years. She was sweet, feminine and lovely in every way the women without kids are not.
I'd trade her for twenty of those massive slutty, 300+ cock count tinder hoes who don't have kids.

Also there is an unspoken truth that these women know they have to try harder, and bring more value to the relationship, because of the baggage they bring.

I love kids, and quite often enjoy the relationships with the kids along the way.

Don't rule out single mums.

You're both talking about two different topics. From what I understand, RatInTheWoods is talking about single mums for the purpose of sex... and thereby NOT taking on the responsibilities of a father to an adopted child. OP is talking about single mums for the purpose of her as a baby mama and becoming a father to another man's child.

Needless-to-say, these are two completely different things.

OP, taking on someone else's child is cuckoldry 101. Spending your own finite time, energy and resources to raise another man's child is a big mistake. This role in the child's life is the job of the biological father, not you.

On this planet there's so so so many younger and more fertile and feminine traditional women who don't have children, wouldn't it seem obvious and natural to procreate with one of them instead?

Quote: (04-13-2019 12:15 AM)PixelFree Wrote:  

Hey everyone. A thought experiment for discussion.

Some recent YouTubes I've watched and books I've read talked about single mothers being 'the bottom of the barrel', or have 'halved their SMV'.

I'll admit previously I've never considered them, as the thought of putting in my time, energy and money into raising another man's child just seemed so wasteful when I'd rather invest in my own.

Now, as with many things in life, there are exceptions. About 2 years ago, I established a business relationship with an extremely attractive (I'd give her a 9), happy, friendly single mum with a son who was about 7 years old.

At the time I was engaged and viewed our relationship as business only. However, I just saw her celebrate her 28th birthday on Facebook, and now that I'm single myself (41yo), realising how much of a top notch chick she is, this situation has me thinking.

She's entrepreneurial (small business owner, not a career driven corporate freak), responsible, a hard worker, and just a very positive all round nice person. If she wasn't a single mum, she'd have Chad's lining up and would be with a footballer or similar. AFAIK, her ex was a famous pianist.

So if you were to 'minus 100 points!' for being a single mum, that would be deducted from a pretty bloody high score.

The kid himself seems like a very well behaved nice, quiet kid.

I'm not seriously thinking of getting in touch with her or trying to start something - however now that I have a close friend just start seeing a single mum, it got me thinking how would it all go down and is it as bad as some make out to be?

Given that I want 3 kids of my own, my initial thoughts are that she (or any other single mums) might be 'over' having kids, or not want that an additional 3. So that would be the first hurdle.

Secondly, the kids dad is still around and sharing in the parenting and so I assume he's still paying for stuff, I wonder - would this continue? He's not the type to cut and run although I suspect his financial support might drift off if a new husband came not the scene and had more kids with her.

Obviously I'd need to live with him being around, attending various gradations and other life events for his son, although in my mind (especially with all the broken and mixed up families these days) I would see them as pretty separate and (not being the jealous type) I think that would be fine (as long as he wasn't a fuckhead).

Sure, as a defacto father figure, I'd probably need to provide fatherly advice and dish out some discipline / punishments, especially as the boy goes through his teen years (which would be a drag I'm guessing), draining the energy I'll need for my own kids who would be 4 to 10 years old.

How has it worked out for others?

Why deal with any of what you just outlined, when you can meet a woman with no kids and none of that baggage? I'll never consider a single mother for anything other then casual sex, doesn't matter how good looking or how good of a character she is. Having another mans kid around isn't an option, there's too many fish in the sea to even consider dealing with that.

The better looking single moms are worth of a casual bang if you are so inclined to put in some effort to get the bang. To me, every female involves some sort of effort to get the bang, so I'd rather utilize my effort on women who are childless. Female childlessness after age 30 is higher than it was in previous times so options should not be lacking in any city with a decent sized population.

I'm in my 30s and childless and there is no way I'm allocating any of my resources towards raising another man's child. I didn't spend all this time childless to do that.

With a childless woman, there's the potential of something happening that could be longer term.

Quote: (04-13-2019 05:43 AM)SW15 Wrote:  

I'm in my 30s and childless and there is no way I'm allocating any of my resources towards raising another man's child. I didn't spend all this time childless to do that.

I'm thinking the same here.
Well, if you have LOTS of money to blow, and don't mind raising other men's children, go for it, if she really is that smoking hot. She's not going to stay smoking hot, remember that, so she better have a great personality and kindness to her.

Before the red pill I always thought single moms weren't a problem, but I have to say now what most men say: be careful. There's a reason she's a single mom! We have lots of excellent YouTube videos now exposing the matter, and explaining rationally why it's a bad idea.
This video by CRP is a bit over the top, but he's making some great points, he's just a bit dramatic, but, still, consider his POINTS:





Also, if I were to date a single mother I'd allow myself to actually educate the child, there's no way in hell the kid is gonna mess around with me, and have him/her say "you're not my dad.." Not all moms want their new boyfriend to discipline her child.
You mention he's kinda quiet, but, still, you never know what's going to happen in the future.
Anyway, think with your head and not with your dick on this one.

Quote: (04-13-2019 10:27 AM)Arising Wrote:  

... There's a reason she's a single mom!...

I know that according to the red pill the blame always falls on the single mothers (widows being the only obvious exception). Like so many generalizations I don't feel it's reasonable in all situations.

Sometimes the woman didn't even necessarily pick a lousy man from the beginning - women aren't the only ones who in a relationship over time can get lazy, letting themselves go, get fat, get increasingly unpleasant or angry, cheat and so on and so forth. Some, likely many men do some of those things too and when things get bad enough with no end or resolutions in sight, I have a really hard time blaming a mother for choosing to end a bad relationship.
Ideally the kid(s) would still see the father frequently - that's been the case with the single mothers I've known (including my own mother for part of my life from my mid teens) - but obviously even that doesn't always work out (whether either or both parents are to blame after the breakup).

Do I think kids get screwed up to various degrees without a notable father figure in their daily life? Yes.
But I also think they - as well as one or both parents - will be screwed up if their parents stay together even though they can barely stand the sight of each other. And in most cases I think the first situation is probably preferable.

What if the single mother is well off from divorce and great looking?

Quote: (04-13-2019 11:03 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

Quote: (04-13-2019 10:27 AM)Arising Wrote:  

... There's a reason she's a single mom!...

I know that according to the red pill the blame always falls on the single mothers (widows being the only obvious exception). Like so many generalizations I don't feel it's reasonable in all situations.

Sometimes the woman didn't even necessarily pick a lousy man from the beginning - women aren't the only ones who in a relationship over time can get lazy, letting themselves go, get fat, get increasingly unpleasant or angry, cheat and so on and so forth. Some, likely many men do some of those things too and when things get bad enough with no end or resolutions in sight, I have a really hard time blaming a mother for choosing to end a bad relationship.
Ideally the kid(s) would still see the father frequently - that's been the case with the single mothers I've known (including my own mother for part of my life from my mid teens) - but obviously even that doesn't always work out (whether either or both parents are to blame after the breakup).

Do I think kids get screwed up to various degrees without a notable father figure in their daily life? Yes.
But I also think they - as well as one or both parents - will be screwed up if their parents stay together even though they can barely stand the sight of each other. And in most cases I think the first situation is probably preferable.

It's funny, it's not even a red pill to say you avoid single moms.

Most guys I know won't date them, because they simply won't deal with a small(er) kid in the picture. They know it takes up ressources and time and money and, possibly, drama as well.

You're right, men change too, but remember, women are the gatekeepers of sex, they do have to think about who they spread their legs to (although feminism is telling them otherwise), instead of blindly following their 'tingles for Chad', just hoping they can get him to commit if she shits out one of his kids.

Quote: (04-13-2019 11:16 AM)djk100 Wrote:  

What if the single mother is well off from divorce and great looking?

I know a guy who has basically made this his bang strategy. He's in his mid-30s like me and has lived in the suburbs since his late 20s. All he does is bang 40-something divorced women who had wealthier husbands. I've never really understood this, but he's carved out a niche doing this. He's had some interaction with kids, but his scenarios with the older divorced women go 6-9 months at best. While he's not sustainable with any one woman, the niche he's created for himself seems sustainable.

Quote: (04-13-2019 11:21 AM)Arising Wrote:  

Quote: (04-13-2019 11:03 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

Quote: (04-13-2019 10:27 AM)Arising Wrote:  

... There's a reason she's a single mom!...

I know that according to the red pill the blame always falls on the single mothers (widows being the only obvious exception). Like so many generalizations I don't feel it's reasonable in all situations.

Sometimes the woman didn't even necessarily pick a lousy man from the beginning - women aren't the only ones who in a relationship over time can get lazy, letting themselves go, get fat, get increasingly unpleasant or angry, cheat and so on and so forth. Some, likely many men do some of those things too and when things get bad enough with no end or resolutions in sight, I have a really hard time blaming a mother for choosing to end a bad relationship.
Ideally the kid(s) would still see the father frequently - that's been the case with the single mothers I've known (including my own mother for part of my life from my mid teens) - but obviously even that doesn't always work out (whether either or both parents are to blame after the breakup).

Do I think kids get screwed up to various degrees without a notable father figure in their daily life? Yes.
But I also think they - as well as one or both parents - will be screwed up if their parents stay together even though they can barely stand the sight of each other. And in most cases I think the first situation is probably preferable.

It's funny, it's not even a red pill to say you avoid single moms.

Most guys I know won't date them, because they simply won't deal with a small(er) kid in the picture. They know it takes up ressources and time and money and, possibly, drama as well.

You're right, men change too, but remember, women are the gatekeepers of sex, they do have to think about who they spread their legs to (although feminism is telling them otherwise), instead of blindly following their 'tingles for Chad', just hoping they can get him to commit if she shits out one of his kids.

I've known non-red pill guys that once they got divorced refuse to date women with younger kids (under 15) but would date women with teenagers and women with kids over 18. I wouldn't do either of those things. Teenagers are still annoying. With kids over 18, its often possible that the over 18 kid will have a stint living at home sometime between 18-29, so that's a bad idea. Additionally, adult children generally resent their parents dating, even if they don't live at home. My parents divorced when I was a teenager, and my mom didn't date again until I was over 18 and in college. I've never enjoyed dealing with my mom's boyfriends/husbands and I've lived independently. On the other side of the equation, the over 18 children of the men my mom has dated didn't really like her either. It's pretty uncomfortable.

I just don't feel like dealing with that sort of nonsense with who I date.

As others here have already stated, I would be very cautious about getting involved with a single mom. Two years ago, I had to pass on a hot single 31 year old divorced mother with a 7 year old boy who admitted to me that she was concerned that her fertility was quickly coming to a close and she wanted to have another child soon. Not only that, but I found out that her ex husband was taking her to court to try and get full time custody of their son and it was getting very messy. These were issues that I didn’t want to deal with. If she’s on bad terms with her ex husband, this will be a problem for you and if she’s hoping to have more kids because she feels her time is running out, then you better be careful you’re not the guy that she intentionally takes advantage of to knock her up.

Another thing to keep in mind is if her ex husband is bitter about the divorce then there’s a good chance he will go out of his way to undermine your relationship with the woman using their child as leverage. Just some random thoughts to keep in mind if you’re considering going down this road. Proceed with caution.

Alpha analysis: don't cuck.
Beta analysis: she's so niceeee and did nothing wrong.
Incel analysis: maybe she'll offer me sex.
Black Pill: This is a bad option, giving declining state of society, just for me to have sex.
White Pill: She's found god.
Iron Pill: she's only 27 or so, so I can still pop out 3 kids if things go well before she's 35. And help the white race.

But seriously, do whatever you want. Divorce rate at this point is 50 percent or so. Plenty of people get together after marriages, a kid or two. And some of them form long term relationships where they're happy. Sometimes people screw up. In fact all people screw up.

I've seen my share of people happy getting remarried, and they have a couple kids, sometimes even more. Regardless, it's your life.

If you are a single Dad, the women who are going to understand your part time custody situation are going to be single mothers. In the long term, IF you are looking for relationship having a woman who will nurture your children is going to be important.

I find childless women are more self centered and not as open to sharing your time and attention.

Quote: (04-13-2019 11:21 AM)Arising Wrote:  

Quote: (04-13-2019 11:03 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

Quote: (04-13-2019 10:27 AM)Arising Wrote:  

... There's a reason she's a single mom!...

I know that according to the red pill the blame always falls on the single mothers (widows being the only obvious exception). Like so many generalizations I don't feel it's reasonable in all situations.

Sometimes the woman didn't even necessarily pick a lousy man from the beginning - women aren't the only ones who in a relationship over time can get lazy, letting themselves go, get fat, get increasingly unpleasant or angry, cheat and so on and so forth. Some, likely many men do some of those things too and when things get bad enough with no end or resolutions in sight, I have a really hard time blaming a mother for choosing to end a bad relationship.
Ideally the kid(s) would still see the father frequently - that's been the case with the single mothers I've known (including my own mother for part of my life from my mid teens) - but obviously even that doesn't always work out (whether either or both parents are to blame after the breakup).

Do I think kids get screwed up to various degrees without a notable father figure in their daily life? Yes.
But I also think they - as well as one or both parents - will be screwed up if their parents stay together even though they can barely stand the sight of each other. And in most cases I think the first situation is probably preferable.

It's funny, it's not even a red pill to say you avoid single moms.

Most guys I know won't date them, because they simply won't deal with a small(er) kid in the picture. They know it takes up ressources and time and money and, possibly, drama as well.

You're right, men change too, but remember, women are the gatekeepers of sex, they do have to think about who they spread their legs to (although feminism is telling them otherwise), instead of blindly following their 'tingles for Chad', just hoping they can get him to commit if she shits out one of his kids.

I'm not recommending dating them - even though I have myself a few times, I'm just of the opinion that single mothers don't always bear the entire blame for the situation they've chosen or find themselves in.

Plenty of women have children with betas (which may or may not be a better choice than "Chad" - there's probably not a generally applicable rule for that either), it's not just the relationships with tingle-inducing alpha cads that can implode or deteriorate over time.

Yes, women are responsible for their own life choices and sure as hell many of them make partner choices that should have been blindingly obvious from the outset as disastrous (and probably were to many of those women but they jumped on the ride anyway).
I'm not talking about those, just the regular relationships between fairly average and not particularly remarkable men and women - ie. most people - that often start out well and may continue on well for several years - and lead to children before notable problems set in - but then things start going to shit for any number of reasons that can affect either partner.

The next thing is from an article that was denied publishing on ROK:

I have date and slept with single moms, mostly divorced, and continue to do so for the following reasons:

1. They fit my time slots
Guys, let’s face it. Most of us have a schedule of work, gym, hobbies and fun time.
I’ as a divorced father, have my daughters twice a week and every other weekend. This means that I have regular days in which I have time for dating and having sex.
If your life style is similar to mine, even if it is just work (meaning you have or want to have specific days in which you slot the ladies) than I recommend dating single moms.
It is because they have the same “life style”.
If she is divorced, than that time slot arrangement works the same way. It means there are no surprises, and you can have regular sex nights, once you have your plates spinning.
On another note – you won’t get phone calls or texts in the night. This, for me, is great. Less surprises – the better.

2. Great plate material
The masculine imperative is “to get as many women as possible with as little investment and commitment as possible.” (Quoting Rollo Tomassi).
If you are not into getting a girlfriend, or a wife, but spinning plates – dating single moms helps this cause.
By time slotting them (and they will approve since they need their time to balance kids, work and you as their sexual provider) you come to a “Win-Win” situation which, from my experience, can be maintained for years.
If one of my harem wants another time slot, I use either work or kids as a reason to keep her in her slot. You may sometime diversify – moving plates to different slots, but this needs to be coordinated in advance.

3. Great sex
Quoting a fellow ROK writer, Donovan Sharpe: “She will gladly participate in any debauchery your dirty mind can dream up to keep you around. Anal sex, parking lot blow jobs, sex tapes, and nude pictures are just the tip of the iceberg. Nothing is off limits and neither are any of her orifices”.
Most single moms I was with showed an enthusiasm in bed which tops their younger rivals in the sexual market. They know that if they have a good man, they need to give everything in bed. This sometimes create funny stories, in which I had to curb their enthusiasm, otherwise the blowjob might end in a hospital (Seriously!).
Putting that aside, you want the girls you are dating to be enthusiastic. And single moms, based on my anecdotal evidence, are just that.

4. Great harem material
Harem management is something I practice. In order to run a harem, one must have prospects and chase them.
From my point of view, looking from a “business like” perspective – why not have an anchor? If you are running a business you want to have 1-2 major clients when you start (anchor) and diversify yourself to others.
Having a regular 1-2 girls in your harem, and rotating the others is working great for me. And just like another fellow ROK writer, Kyle Trouble noted: “You’ll be surprised at how many girls are okay with you having casual sex with other girls as long as you come back to them. “
Yes. Single moms, who have less options will be OK with it. In fact I recommend the “Don’t Ask – Don’t Tell” strategy in which you don’t bring it up. If asked, you either change the subject or tell her that you are with her now. I’ve been running this for years now and most of the time it works. If it doesn’t – remember that “No girl can hurt a man with options”.

5. Less flaking
Flaking is an epidemic, as we noted here. This sometimes irritates the hell out of us. Even if the advice is to not care, we may feel cheated or plain angry.
After a while you care less, but would love to avoid it.
Single moms flake less. This is my experience. They may flake, but will give you a heads-up. We understand that the girl may not show up, but we expect courtesy of informing us. Single moms do that.

Of course every situation is different and there’s no one size fits all approache to this. Go for it, see how you feel. You’re pushing middle age (as am I), so despite what you read on this forum, there’s is no abundance of 18-25 y.o.’s lining up who bring anything of value to you besides wet cooch.
That said, while single moms make great plate/herem material, in today’s ego-driven society, many still feel as though they deserve nothing less than top notch treatment. And honestly, who are we to tell them otherwise. Personally, I prefer women with no kids or kids over 18. In my experiences, single moms will compartmentalize you. They can’t see you but once a week if that, and still feel like you should keep them entertained an engaged throughout the week. You’ll always come second or third to their priorities (and honestly, rightfully so), but unless you just wanna smash, it’s a less than ideal situation unless she adds real value to your life.

Quote: (04-13-2019 08:52 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

Single moms flake less. This is my experience. They may flake, but will give you a heads-up. We understand that the girl may not show up, but we expect courtesy of informing us. Single moms do that.

Yeah, no.

Great that it works in this example ^^, but ime single moms flake and ghost, too. No heads-up. It depends on the person, and not if she's a mom or not.

Anyway, to OP, date her if you want. Ultimately, if it's worth it to you, you do it.

You've gotta man up and not judge a girl by her past. Her babies might be her #1, but what's wrong with being a unicorn's #2. Best of all you get a family, but without any of the selfish ecological costs of fathering your own children.

Seriously though, single motherhood is the ultimate red flag. She was hot enough for an alpha, so she'll begrudge having to settle. If you are hellbent, however, here are my general thoughts.
How did she become a single mother? Widowed is least bad, Divorced? No matter who initiated, it takes two to fail a marriage (though the 50% statistic was distorted upwards by serial divorcers, so most marriages still succeed). Some random fuckboi? Even worse.
How old are the children? if they are under <3, then they might be able to form a bond with you.
Is the father a similar ethnicity to you? This'll make it less awkward as they grow up. Then again, when it comes to SEAsians, a hapa child is another red flag.
How many fathers? This shows she's really irresponsible and doesn't learn from mistakes.

Everyone is missing the big question.

OP have you banged her already?

Quote: (04-14-2019 02:55 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Everyone is missing the big question.

OP have you banged her already?

^This

OP Before you decide the rest of your fantasy life with her and little Rinahldo Jr you need to know whether she's even going to let you touch her with your pecker.

Quote: (04-14-2019 07:04 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Quote: (04-14-2019 02:55 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Everyone is missing the big question.

OP have you banged her already?

^This

OP Before you decide the rest of your fantasy life with her and little Rinahldo Jr you need to know whether she's even going to let you touch her with your pecker.

I like this advice. Go for the bang now, sort out the rest later. It is a really simple sentence, but I think many of us don't live up to it. I'll include myself in that. I feel best whenever I just move the process forward towards getting a bang.

It is our imperative to bang and we must be solely focused on the bang.

I walked in expecting something based on thread title...



Come on guys don't disappoint me.

I just had an awesome affair with a single mom for 4 years. She is Arab and as it is common in their culture she was recommended to marry an Arab guy her family knew. After marriage he turned out to be a mild weirdo with some mental issues, a failure in bed, forbidding her to go partying and stuff. Not exactly her fault I would say.

In the beginning of our affair she sent me angry emoticons when I didn't reply to her messages in time, but after some time I managed to maintain it on a relaxed level. Even though she was living with her mom and her kids I never met any of them personally and every time we met (about every 2-3 weeks) was very sexy and rewarding. Once she even brought a friend of hers to my flat, a young blonde dancer. Both of them wore some lingerie, they came with cocaine (which I had never tried before) and in the end we had a threesome which was the first experience of that type for all of us. I must have been the luckiest man on earth that night.

Of course in the end she wanted more, I rejected a relationship and now she just married a guy who is willing to take care of the kids and they will have another kid together soon (she is pregnant already). But I have a feeling that we haven't met for the last time.

To be continued...

Quote: (04-14-2019 10:22 AM)Sangango Wrote:  

I just had an awesome affair with a single mom for 4 years. She is Arab and as it is common in their culture she was recommended to marry an Arab guy her family knew. After marriage he turned out to be a mild weirdo with some mental issues, a failure in bed, forbidding her to go partying and stuff. Not exactly her fault I would say.

In the beginning of our affair she sent me angry emoticons when I didn't reply to her messages in time, but after some time I managed to maintain it on a relaxed level. Even though she was living with her mom and her kids I never met any of them personally and every time we met (about every 2-3 weeks) was very sexy and rewarding. Once she even brought a friend of hers to my flat, a young blonde dancer. Both of them wore some lingerie, they came with cocaine (which I had never tried before) and in the end we had a threesome which was the first experience of that type for all of us. I must have been the luckiest man on earth that night.

Of course in the end she wanted more, I rejected a relationship and now she just married a guy who is willing to take care of the kids and they will have another kid together soon (she is pregnant already). But I have a feeling that we haven't met for the last time.

To be continued...

Id ask her for her blond friends number

Quote: (04-14-2019 10:41 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Id ask her for her blond friends number

Haha yea of course that struck my mind as well already. I found the friend on Facebook already because they are connected there. Unfortunately she moved back to her parents now about 300km away from Berlin after breaking up with a psycho who threatened her and showered her apartment with butyric acid. She said originally she fell for him because she was a stupid teenager (19) and he impressed her by cracking a slot machine.