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Quote: (03-15-2019 05:08 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote: [url=https://rooshvforum.network/post-1952834.html#pid1952834] 

I have a concealed carry licence in Florida-I carry a Five Seven FN solely for mass shooters. I really thought about it before I made the change-I am not going to commit a crime, If I get in an argument I will leave before escalating, I do not carry while drinking (it is illegal), in road rage situations I don't engage (or I apologize which always catches people by surprise),and I have no personal issues with anyone-If I am in a situation where I need to shoot it will be as a victim of an attempted crime-either robbery or a mass shooter. Mass shooters now all wear armor-so either carry a AR 15 pistol with a wrist brace or a FN 5.7 with the proper ammo (or both).

This happened in New Zealand but I am speaking for America-All places of worship and education must have armed security that is ready to fight-There should be at least 2 uniformed state/federal LEOs and at least 1 plainclothes disguised as a worshiper inside. Our schools should all be defended as if Donald Trump's youngest son was a student there(I exaggerate, but only a little).

The guys that did this were wrong on many levels. People are not responsible for the acts of others, but to be honest considering what we know-I don't even think I can take them at their word that they hate Muslims-this may sound bizarre , but they may just be trolling us. It is just as plausible that these dudes are trolling , picked Muslims for the attention and flew to New Zealand to commit this crime because of the lenient (compared to Australia or the USA) laws there and slower tactical response. Seriously , these dudes just may be memeing in real life and we are the laughs (Lulz) they want by even spending the cognitive energy to try to understand how subscribe to Pew di Pie, Candice Owens is an Inspiration and 70 plus more pages of online bullshit they put together matters at all. Guess I am just a normfag.

Fuck these dudes for killing innocent people-it is indefensible behavior. Watching a woman beg for her life only to be shot and run over is disturbing. I despise people like this because they are cowards, pure and simple.

+1, and I'm glad that there are guys like Atlantaman out there willing to carry, not just for himself but for other people too. Lots of Americans have prevented mass shootings but unfortunately for obvious reasons those guys never get any media coverage.

The FiveSeven is no joke either. That's one forum member who's not swimming in the shallow end right there.

On another note I think one of the under-discussed aspects of this is that there were multiple shooters but we're mostly talking about this like it was a lone wolf attack. I can't imagine it's very easy for foreign nationals to get guns like that in NZ, even Australians. My first guess is that he was friends with some NZ guys that either already had the guns or bought them for the purpose but unless the police turn up some kind of training ground or reveal that this Tarrant guy had some sort of military experience then I have a hard time believing that this guy flew out of a country with no easy access to semi-automatic rifles, picked one up in New Zealand and managed to run through the mosque like that.

The guy's physiognomy is extreme soldier class. Low brow anglo to my untrained eye. A natural soldier with no king worth a damn to swear allegiance to. Dogs like that are dangerous if not put to proper use. The moment I saw him I thought of this character:

And these stereotypes exist for a reason. Guys like this usually join the military but the extreme push to put women in and keep men out is going to mean that a lot more natural-born soldiers end up going off the deep end like this guy did. All the genetic inclination with none of the outside discipline. Like a pitbull left to its own devices. Unintended consequences of shouldering guys like this out of their natural vocations, which is why the political class is utterly desperate to stop guys like Tarrant getting together to do anything other than play video games or commit low-class crime with low-class victims.

Quote: (03-15-2019 09:10 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I'm still wrapping my head around this all..

Only brief commentary I can add is that I believe this event will be used to test full blown gun confiscation on a national level. I do believe there will be an overreaction and the NZ Government will put the foot down and demand all guns. It all just seems to obvious as you have a tiny populated nation, that is cut off from other borders to control smuggling, and for a western type of nation has relatively high gun ownership at 28%. If you were going to run ant sort of test to disarm a nation NZ would be your best candidate to do so...

I don't think that will or can happen. NZ is a country with a large percentage of people that go hunting and that won't change. I think the semi auto weapons will be a target for sure. All guns no way will that happen, especially bolt action hunting rifles. Just one problem for a start is standard firearms are not registered to a person / address.
I think they would have way more chance in Australia to get rid of all guns but even then the chance would be approximately zero. See in Australia they have made it very hard to have firearms, the laws vary from state to state but say a middle of the road one like NSW you must be a member of a gun club, do 4-6 attendances a year plus the gun is registered to you and subject to random police checks to see they are stored correctly.
It's ironic that the red tape and especially having to be a member of a club has worked against the anti's as gun owners are now a huge voting block.
Especially with the voting system in NZ they simply wouldn't be able to do it. That said semi auto's are definitely a chance of getting banned. From a hunting point of view they are only suitable for very little anyway, say duck shooting etc.

I feel so bad for those people just minding their own business praying to their god. Just sickening. I spend a lot of time in Christchurch its like my second home and this after the earthquake is a massive blow.

We're looking at one incident, one "outrage" changing centuries of laws & rights in western countries, there's a clear massive benefit to leftists/globalists. They just have to pull off 1 event successfully and they can change major laws in western countries that had held up for decades or centuries. I wouldn't put it past them to concoct something like this. Look at "deep fake" porn that's high resolution, you don't think they can edit a grainy low-res video to make it look how they want (blood on the head shots yet nowhere else)?

It might be real but I'm highly skeptical.

On his way out he picks up a magazine that had been on the floor when he walked in and his light illuminated it.
   

I thought this was fantastic. Doubtful of anything.

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I’d disagree and say the chances of successfully confiscating guns are much higher in NZ. Australia is too big and there are more large ports of entry for smuggling, not to mention the fact that Port Arthur reforms relied on compliance and honesty from citizens, rather than law enforcement hunting down guns directly.

As a country, it is also more rightwing/libertarian than NZ.

I forget the source but there are about a million illegal guns in Australia, probably more.

Even after Port Arthur, as kids we had access to guns through acquaintances who would, thankfully, supervise us adequately, probably out of fear of our parents’ wrath if anything went wrong as much as due to respect for us as kids.

Though our parents did not know, older kids in their late teens and twenties would take us out of town and to the countryside for shooting at trees and foreign animals (rabbits, occasionally wild pigs etc).

I remember asking if we were allowed to do it and our effective babysitters said definitely yes, except for the obvious disapproval that would come from our parents if we ever told them.

I did not realize until a long time later that these near-adults and adults had kept the guns illegally after Port Arthur or even had them illegally before the laws were strengthened. Sometimes the fathers of these older kids/adults were in on it, but I am sure other times they themselves found their way into possession of the firearms.

If they were able to take us clueless kids out with guns so nonchalantly, albeit with us sworn to secrecy, so many other firearms were being quietly kept by tens of thousands more Australians.

The idea was stupid in so many ways, given how badly giving 8-10-year-olds guns could potentially get, yet they were really happy times and we were treated like little brothers.

In retrospect I also find it hilarious that they were fine with handing us guns but steadfastly refused to supply us with beer or cigarettes. Their pornography was off limits as well. What a simultaneously rebellious and conservative code of honor.

The attack looks real (videos are still up on DTube btw) but that could still mean it's a false flag. I'm extremely suspicious at the fact he went after a mosque rather than a synagogue and he was posting on 8chan. It's even more 1488 than 4chan on there, how is he not even mentioning it in his manifesto? For how calculated the attack is and his praise of Breivik too it's very odd.

Chelsea Clinton is getting berated on Twitter for islamophobia towards Ilhan Omar, gotta love the left eating itself. Go and support anti-semitic Muslims Dems, see how far that gets you in the elections.

Quote: (03-15-2019 04:59 PM)Horus Wrote:  

Our Gun laws will change. Look at this shit.

Well here's the thing..

Remember the Paris Attacks?

Hilary Clinton sent an email saying "we know Qatar are supporting Isis so pressure must be put on them." Then she accepted a $1m donation from Qatar that she tried to keep off the books.

The owners of Paris St Germain football club?

Qatari. They played a fixture with their megabucks team down in red pilled Corsica the next weekend. Someone unfurled a banner saying "Qatar sponsors Isis".
The press were incensed:
in this time of heightened terrorist threats, how was someone allowed to get that banner past security?

In UK parliament the next day the attacks and the response were debated.
British PM David Cameron announced "we will be creating a new infantry regiment of the army"

Cameron and his globalist cronies had been whittling down the British army for years until it was so small it was all but a self defence force. Correction was needed.

So what, that just suddenly dawned on Cameron overnight? Isis attacks and he is inspired to come up with a new division of the army? Overnight?

You don't come up with policy in a matter of hours.

The plan was there.. the attacks presented a good time to announce it.

We are changing our gun laws!

The blood had hardly dried.

The plan was there.. the attack presented a good time to announce it.

"Wipe 8chan off the internet."

What a joke.
End result : 12chan.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:43 PM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

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I’d disagree and say the chances of successfully confiscating guns are much higher in NZ. Australia is too big and there are more large ports of entry for smuggling, not to mention the fact that Port Arthur reforms relied on compliance and honesty from citizens, rather than law enforcement hunting down guns directly.

As a country, it is also more rightwing/libertarian than NZ.

I forget the source but there are about a million illegal guns in Australia, probably more.

Even after Port Arthur, as kids we had access to guns through acquaintances who would, thankfully, supervise us adequately, probably out of fear of our parents’ wrath if anything went wrong as much as due to respect for us as kids.

Though our parents did not know, older kids in their late teens and twenties would take us out of town and to the countryside for shooting at trees and foreign animals (rabbits, occasionally wild pigs etc).

I remember asking if we were allowed to do it and our effective babysitters said definitely yes, except for the obvious disapproval that would come from our parents if we ever told them.

I did not realize until a long time later that these near-adults and adults had kept the guns illegally after Port Arthur or even had them illegally before the laws were strengthened. Sometimes the fathers of these older kids/adults were in on it, but I am sure other times they themselves found their way into possession of the firearms.

If they were able to take us clueless kids out with guns so nonchalantly, albeit with us sworn to secrecy, so many other firearms were being quietly kept by tens of thousands more Australians.

The idea was stupid in so many ways, given how badly giving 8-10-year-olds guns could potentially get, yet they were really happy times and we were treated like little brothers.

In retrospect I also find it hilarious that they were fine with handing us guns but steadfastly refused to supply us with beer or cigarettes. Their pornography was off limits as well. What a simultaneously rebellious and conservative code of honor.

There's supposed to have been tens of thousands of SKS rifles imported to Australia and only ever had a few hundred handed in. Growing up in a rural area I'm aware of a few people who supposedly buried stuff rather than hand it in too. How true it is.....

Oh, and I know of one bloke who was found to have all sorts of stuff up to a 20mm cannon near the border with South Australia. Was talk of the area for quite some time, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a huge amount of stuff out there. Starting with container load of glock pistols the police lost.

Clearer footage:

News says 48 wounded. Did you see 48 people escape? I counted 1 who got out the side.

Everyone in the general direction he was aiming at dropped dead motionless instantly. Wheres the dozens of wounded limping away? 48 limped and stumbled out of there leaving it perfectly clean lol. This seems like bullshit to me.

Quote: (03-16-2019 03:04 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

News says 48 wounded. Did you see 48 people escape? I counted 1 who got out the side.

Everyone in the general direction he was aiming at dropped dead motionless instantly. Wheres the dozens of wounded limping away? 48 limped and stumbled out of there leaving it perfectly clean lol. This seems like bullshit to me.

I think you would fit nicely with the flat earth society group.
Please stop it with the group think, it's embarrassing.

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What the fuck?

How did New Zealand get in such a sad state to elect a weak and sorry looking woman like her to lead the country. She’s pathetic as is her response. There is not one ounce of genuine strength in her. It’s shocking really. No wonder the shooter deciced to carry out the attack there when he arrived.

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What the fuck?

How did New Zealand get in such a sad state to elect a weak and sorry looking woman like her to lead the country. She’s pathetic as is her response. There is not one ounce of genuine strength in her. It’s shocking really. No wonder the shooter deciced to carry out the attack there when he arrived.

Timeline: How Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's pregnancy unfolded!!!

August 2, 2017: Pre-election: Jacinda Ardern defends women in the workplace

This is technically unrelated but worthy of a mention. One month before finding out she was pregnant and in the lead-up to the election, Jacinda Ardern told off The AM Show host Mark Richardson for saying prospective employers had a right to ask about a woman's baby plans.

She snapped and gave him an aggressive finger point, telling him it was "totally unacceptable in 2017" to expect women to have to answer that question.

October 13, 2017: Jacinda Ardern finds out she is pregnant

Jacinda Ardern first learned she was pregnant on October 13 last year, before she was Prime Minister, in the middle of coalition negotiations following the September election.

October 26, 2017: Jacinda Ardern sworn in as Prime Minister!!

January 18, 2018: Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters is told about the baby

Ms Ardern met with Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters to share the news and ask if he could take over as Acting Prime Minister for six weeks after the birth of the child.

The news was not public yet.

January 19, 2018: The PM shares her pregnancy news online

"We thought 2017 was a big year! This year we'll join the many parents who wear two hats. I'll be PM & a mum while Clarke will be “first man of fishing” & stay at home dad," (!!!)

February 18, 2018: Julie Anne Genter is also pregnant

Minister for Women, Associate Health and Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter announced that she and her partner Peter are also expecting a baby. (!!!!!!!)

Etc. etc.

Yayyyyy! Empowerment!! Women in the workplace!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeala...olded.html

NZ is a trash place that keeps sending their destitute unemployed people to Australia. I can't tell you how many thugs come here that have to be deported back after they commit crimes. It's just too easy to come here for kiwis.

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Story of my life...

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:17 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

NZ is a trash place that keeps sending their destitute unemployed people to Australia. I can't tell you how many thugs come here that have to be deported back after they commit crimes. It's just too easy to come here for kiwis.

In light of this incident, that's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I don't recall the last time a New Zealander committed an equivalent mass murder in Australia

Quote: (03-15-2019 10:07 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

A natural soldier with no king worth a damn to swear allegiance to. Dogs like that are dangerous if not put to proper use. The moment I saw him I thought of this character:

And these stereotypes exist for a reason. Guys like this usually join the military but the extreme push to put women in and keep men out is going to mean that a lot more natural-born soldiers end up going off the deep end like this guy did. All the genetic inclination with none of the outside discipline. Like a pitbull left to its own devices. Unintended consequences of shouldering guys like this out of their natural vocations, which is why the political class is utterly desperate to stop guys like Tarrant getting together to do anything other than play video games or commit low-class crime with low-class victims.

I agree, and do you know that these people, these "low-brow natural-born soldiers" are one of the main reasons why the Europeans created the idea and need of, and carried out, the Crusades?

Red-pill truth: the first and foremost reason behind the Crusades, was: to get rid of the "idle low-brow natural-born soldiers" who were roaming Europe at the time; to give them a goal and a job, faraway.

The will to "liberate the tomb of Christ" came second after the plot to send far away half a million or so of young testosterone-filled (and unemployed) young "natural-born soldiers". (Mind you, there were also great noblemen among the Crusaders)

That is indeed a problem of our times: for Western men falling in the "low-brow natural-born soldiers" category, there is no job, no mission, no life-goal left. Western women won't give them sex, Western employers won't give them jobs, the p-c Army won't even take them in: hence their despair.

Quote: (03-15-2019 11:27 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

We're looking at one incident, one "outrage" changing centuries of laws & rights in western countries, there's a clear massive benefit to leftists/globalists. They just have to pull off 1 event successfully and they can change major laws in western countries that had held up for decades or centuries. I wouldn't put it past them to concoct something like this. Look at "deep fake" porn that's high resolution, you don't think they can edit a grainy low-res video to make it look how they want (blood on the head shots yet nowhere else)?

It might be real but I'm highly skeptical.

On his way out he picks up a magazine that had been on the floor when he walked in and his light illuminated it.

I might need to stop going to the roosh V Forum cause post like this above and others, make me boil my blood.

You guys (or most of you) are complaining SINCE YEARS about Muslims and complaining SINCE YEARS about whites being replaced which is of course true if you can read basic statistics.

To all this, how man hundreds of articles about Muslims and anti-whites hatred articles that were posted on your everyday Media outlets could we read on the return of the kings and calling them out? In how many live streams of roosh V we could hear about COUNTLESS of hate against white men but not our immigrants despite that they make the most crime?

And after all this you question if this killing was real or not because a guy simply acted and that you cant believe? Before some Media outlet will quote me and the things I'm going to say:

"I do not tolerate people getting killed, not white people and not Muslims or any other race because it simple just feeds the cycle of war and there is no end goal in this". So read this CNN before jerking off and do your "work".

Now as I said, how can you not believe that a guy has it enough? We read almost DAILY of attacks on white people from Muslims. We have almost every week political "discussions" about this very problems and even if you want to escape all this and just be in peace, even Hollywood and advertising will shovel it in your face and tell you: "you are white, you are worthless you don't need to have your own country!"

In the past, we would call people like the shooter, a guy that simply defended his homeland but yeah, roosh V guys are jerking off into the "big conspiracy" and cant comprehend that they are maybe some guys out there, that actually want to do something. And again, what he did was the wrong way. Very wrong. But he fucking acted. He wanted to protect his own race.

In my book, the only people that we could blame are the media, left politics that still think we can all live in "peace" together with Islam.

And yes I'm angry.

Personally as far as I can tell it doesn't really matter if this was a false flag attack or not.

99% of the population will never accept it, even if you provide the proverbial smoking gun for them.

The only relevant big picture question is "where to from here?"

The next 6-12 months are going to be interesting to say the least. You have a left wing government in NZ (they all are) determined to take the guns, and many of the ones they're taking them from are old white guys with not a lot of time left on the clock and more than a few axes to grind. You've also got the spicier muslims who will be out for revenge and agitators are likely arriving as we speak, both the grassroots variety and the state actors.

Above it all you've got an otherwise peaceful former colony which will be entirely unprepared to deal with a prolonged state of heightened security. It's not out of the question that we're going to see foreign state-employed mercenaries being brought in to bolster state security organs while the gun-confiscations occur.

Like it lump it, New Zealanders are now officially living in interesting times.

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Interesting to see if any actual Muslims do engage in a serious revenge attack.
They'll then be just as responsible as anyone else & won't be able to claim victim status so readily.

It makes me happy to think of these guys sitting in some bare cell under a florescent light, confronting the reality of spending the rest of their lives locked in cages.

No strolling in the park, no pints in the pub, no beach, no well-cooked meals, no women.
Just fighting for their lives as gladiators or in isolation, eating shit food.

"Oh shit, I fucked up!"

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:27 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

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They'll then be just as responsible as anyone else & won't be able to claim victim status so readily.

If there are significant revenge attacks then in PR terms the scales fall from everyones eyes.

I'm noticing that people think this is awful but they cant seem to muster enough genuine shock sympathy horror.

The reason, I believe, is that the MSM have already been turning things up to 11 for so long.

Attack after attack on non-muslims by muslims and we have all been carrying on as if those Islamist aggressions were the exact same equivalent of these mosque attacks -

"Leave muslims alone!"
"Religion of peace!"
"We stand united!"

as if, up until now, it was the muslims that were the victims.

After the Manchester bombing Muslim community leaders came forward claiming that they were, indeed, the real victims..
After the Rotherham rape scandal broke a BBC town hall devolved into Muslim spokespeople claiming that they felt left out of mainstream British culture.
"Oh well, if you put it like that then .. here's a few hundred more underage girls to rape and even murder" (which is exactly what happened: the rape and even murder continued across the country on an epidemic scale.)

If there are significant reprisals then the elite's media can do whatever they want.
The lesson will go in on a gut level for the rest of the populace.

We kill you. Everybody holds hands and sings 'kumbya'.
You offend us with videos or cartoons..
Then we kill you some more.
Everybody!: hold hands and sing kumbya in response.
You do to us what we have been doing to you?
Well thats fucking torn it! NOW, You Are Going To Pay.

No getting around it, no escaping it..

Doesn't matter which way you slice it, the unequal nature of this will be a slap with a wet fish across everyone's psyche and no elite media window dressing will cover that up.

This evil psycho had some kind of insights because IF there are the reprisals from muslims he wanted then that will be the communication that even his barbarity on its own could never have achieved.

But if the Islamic world plays its part as he anticipated then that is a communication from beyond the jail cell walls.

And the MSM have been laying on White Supremacy!! Racism! Islamophobia! with a trowel -every single fucking day- for so long now that rather than moving people when it comes to something like this... that message has just become meaningless - at a time when it was actually needed by them the most.

They've fucked themselves, spent their ammo, cried Wolf! far too many times.

(In the USA if trump had said worldwide travel ban on all muslims and then a few weeks or months later this had happened then his media opposition could have leveraged it .. but they've carried on like such dickheads for so long that people cant take them seriously now even if they wanted to.)

It's interesting to watch how some people suddenly get highly emotionally involved in decrying violence the second the target of their signalling is a white guy.

There's a lot of that going around, not just here but it seems to be the standard m.o. for normies. When muslims kill a few dozen westerners the normies are very quick to memory-hole it or at best skirt around it since paying undue attention is "divisive" or something but when some white guy kills a bunch of muslims the virtue signalling ratchets up to 11 and certain people can't resist the urge to shout from the rooftops how much they hate the guy and everything he stands for then take voyeuristic glee in his death or incarceration.

But they don't do it for muslims. Why? Not sure, myself. I think perhaps that they're desperately afraid that posturing excessively against someone with brown skin, even a terrorist will tarnish them with the dreaded stench of racism which causes them to double down on the virtue signalling when a white guy does exactly the same thing as the brown guy did. That's the thing about virtue signalling. You can't do it against minorities so when the opportunity arises to signal against a white guy you have to do it twice as hard.

This thread will set an interesting base-line for when the next inevitable attack occurs from the religion of peace.