For me Underrated Chicago and also to a lesser extent Charlotte.
Of course I'm talking summer Chicago, and not the outer suburbs . The old and new architecture is very good, a lot different to what I expected. The field museum is amazing and overall I found the locals pretty friendly. Will definitely head back. Charlotte was also a pleasant surprise I was only there 4 days but again enjoyed it.
This is a personal thing, but despite a lot of what I read I have enjoyed the mid west the couple of times I've been there. Just great hiring a car and doing a bit of travelling.

Overrated. Bali but I understand why some people really like it. Also San Francisco was a little disappointing, parts were OK but overall I found it very expensive and a bit grubby in spots. Overall I enjoy New York but apart from a great Jazz club nearby, Times Square was a big disappointment.

I'm not from the USA and have only had three trips there so not overly experienced.

Overated: Tel Aviv - gorgeous women in every nook of the city but unless you have Israel ties you won’t find much luck here with picking up locals. Most of the clubs on Rothschild blvd were packed with Isreali guys & they were CLEANING up each spot. The Israeli girls didn’t pay me and my buddy much attention. I had more success with American women that were Jewish & were visiting during holiday. I will say it’s a real thing for the clubs to see 8-9 am close times which was cool.

Miami - unless you are wealthy/rich and can buy multi thousand dollar tables the 9s/10s won’t look your way. Very pricey.

Underrated: Crete, Greece. Hot Greek girls roaming around and working the bars and restaurants. Most were fluent in English so closing was easy. Also during the warmer months a lot of northern Europe girls travel down to the island.

Most overrated:

1) Prague - too many tourists, locals are the least interactive people ever, I don't think the chicks are that hot.
2) Riga - tourist trap central, girls are hot but not... like, all the features individually are awesome (except asses) but they don't look right.
3) Pattaya - cesspit of the world

Most Underrated:
1) XXXXX - there's a place which is not underrated, just NOBODY knows about it... my lips are sealed though.lol.
2) Zagreb - beautiful city, beautiful girls, 80%+ speak English, Intelligent, cultured, DTF.
3) Vilnius - chicks are amazing, and open. It's cheap as well.
4) Brno - student city. small, cheap, girls DTF everywhere.
5) Nairobi - if you like to enjoy life, and you like black chicks, this place is the shit. (Additionally it's only 4/5 hour drive from the Masai Maara)

I haven't done too much traveling since for about the past 7 years I've been doing some combination of retail and cooking food for people [**whipping sound**]. I'm about to turn a corner in my life so hopefully I can update this thread.

Overrated:
1) Las Vegas in the winter. I missed the party boat when I visited the first time. Yes they close the pools since it's "too cold". It was all old people, couples and no coeds. I could imagine Vegas being off the rails in the spring, summer, and early-mid fall. The drivers are so reckless I once bumped into a guy where I live who said he got hit by a car and lost his casino job.
2) Los Angeles. LA is very beautiful, has nice weather, phenomenal beaches, and there are so many hot chicks. With that being said it's spread out, the traffic from about 4-8 is terrible, and I could never live there. As most know housing is insane and due to liberals running the state living expenses are through the roof. Some people have posted Cali is a dump but for the most part I didn't see that part of town. I did visit SF when I was younger and it would make me hurl to see the feces and needles on the street. If I ever go back to Cali it would have to be for a very good reason.

I might be going to Bangkok next month. I might also want to check out Europe before it gets too bad.

Chiang Mai - Thailand

Full of skanky Western "digital nomads" making fuck all money
Highly polluted, uninhabitable for some of the year due to burning season, even outside of burning season filthy air
Tonnes of traffic
Local women suck
No sea

Underrated, Ukraine kyiv. Here now and i am loving it. It is the same as new york except much cheaper. same night life, same quality of food , girls are easier and look better and have better personalities. Dont know where all this super conservative and no one speaks english stuff comes from .. hundreds on tinder speak english. it is a great city, cant wait till its warmer. very under rated.

overrated - amsterdam. like $50 for a taxi ride for 10 minutes. Lots of tourists. ONS with quality are tougher. and competition is tougher. Good food. nightlife is so so... nothing special about this city. I had a good time when i went with friends ... good for a few days... but i thought this city was overrated..

Quote: (02-18-2019 11:00 PM)ChicagoFire Wrote:  

As most know housing is insane and due to liberals running the state living expenses are through the roof

It definitely doesn't have anything to do with the law of supply-and-demand.
Millions of people running to California for the last 80 years in search of a better life had NOTHING to do with rising costs in that state.
Neither did the slow pace of new home construction on the West Coast. Not a factor, nope.
Neither did the rising costs of materials to build those homes.
/sarc

Casablanca underrated. Mix of western and Arabic, pleasant climate, available women of all types. Feels safe, no street tout hassles like Marrakesh.

Quote: (03-09-2019 08:22 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Casablanca underrated. Mix of western and Arabic, pleasant climate, available women of all types. Feels safe, no street tout hassles like Marrakesh.

When you say available women of all types are you talking about the locals? Are you getting lays? Are French and Arabic required for game?

Quote: (04-30-2019 07:49 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2019 08:22 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Casablanca underrated. Mix of western and Arabic, pleasant climate, available women of all types. Feels safe, no street tout hassles like Marrakesh.

When you say available women of all types are you talking about the locals? Are you getting lays? Are French and Arabic required for game?

I didn't think casual sex was tolerated in morocco although arab friends tell me it's a lot more moderate than other arab countries.

Quote: (04-30-2019 07:54 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Quote: (04-30-2019 07:49 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2019 08:22 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Casablanca underrated. Mix of western and Arabic, pleasant climate, available women of all types. Feels safe, no street tout hassles like Marrakesh.

When you say available women of all types are you talking about the locals? Are you getting lays? Are French and Arabic required for game?

I didn't think casual sex was tolerated in morocco although arab friends tell me it's a lot more moderate than other arab countries.

I didnt think so either, that's why I'm surprised to hear women in Morocco described as "available".

Quote: (05-01-2019 11:18 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (04-30-2019 07:54 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Quote: (04-30-2019 07:49 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2019 08:22 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Casablanca underrated. Mix of western and Arabic, pleasant climate, available women of all types. Feels safe, no street tout hassles like Marrakesh.

When you say available women of all types are you talking about the locals? Are you getting lays? Are French and Arabic required for game?

I didn't think casual sex was tolerated in morocco although arab friends tell me it's a lot more moderate than other arab countries.

I didnt think so either, that's why I'm surprised to hear women in Morocco described as "available".

You have a funny profile avatar, never realized it was Tom Ford next to some women's vaginas.

Quote: (01-15-2019 11:25 PM)Matt Warner Wrote:  

For me Underrated Chicago Of course I'm talking summer Chicago, and not the outer suburbs . The old and new architecture is very good, a lot different to what I expected. The field museum is amazing and overall I found the locals pretty friendly. Will definitely head back.

I'm a Chicago and their suburbs native (lived there all my life), they're fucking terrible and a shithole and it's only getting worse though a lot of the black women in the better communities are amazing so if you swirl (which I do now exclusively) it's worth it, again only in the better parts of the city. Especially if you're in the suburbs and in a hotel there and want to game in the city. Chicago women will NEVER think taking a train with you which is the best way to go to the western suburbs. Probably easier if you have game and look better than me. But a lot of intangibles (especially their contempt for suburbanites) are dealbreakers for Chicago natives.

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Charlotte was also a pleasant surprise I was only there 4 days but again enjoyed it.
This is a personal thing, but despite a lot of what I read I have enjoyed the mid west the couple of times I've been there. Just great hiring a car and doing a bit of travelling

Charlotte I heard is good and I've heard nothing but love, plus one of my ex's who was genuinely a good person (but troubled in her own way) moved there enough to get married.

Here's mine:

Underrated: Arkansas: It's small but not too small that your pool will dry up soon and the people there are nice and pretty based. Cute girls and very thick yet endearing accents.

Overrated: The American coasts: I have made a vow that if I don't move out of the country I will NEVER even visit the coasts of America regardless of how beautiful it is. The women are overrated looks wise and always have a chip on their shoulder. That combined with the expenses are just not worth it.

If we're only talking about women here....

Underrated: Bogota. The city itself is pretty shitty (overpopulated, bad air pollution, horrible traffic), however, for banging women it's paradise. Rolos are hot, plentiful, speak okay English and aren't overly difficult.

Overrated: Bangkok. Don't get me wrong, I love Bangkok and think it's a great city, but after spending lots of time there (living there for a 7 month stretch and visiting many times over the years) I've realized that the women are very average. It's easy to get laid, food is great, and Thailand is a great country, but only dating Thai women will make you think your game is much better than it actually is, and you'll be settling for ugly/average women at best. If you're able to get top tier Thai women then great job, but that's not exactly easy. They're rare and you'll need to penetrate social circles.

Quote: (05-01-2019 04:41 PM)travolta Wrote:  

Overrated: Bangkok. Don't get me wrong, I love Bangkok and think it's a great city, but after spending lots of time there (living there for a 7 month stretch and visiting many times over the years) I've realized that the women are very average. It's easy to get laid, food is great, and Thailand is a great country, but only dating Thai women will make you think your game is much better than it actually is, and you'll be settling for ugly/average women at best. If you're able to get top tier Thai women then great job, but that's not exactly easy. They're rare and you'll need to penetrate social circles.

Not an international traveler yet but that's what I've gotten from statements about Thailand. It's the McDonald's or the tomato cans of game. Yeah it's easy to get sex there but they have fairly low standards and a Chad in Thailand will be a virgin anywhere else so to speak.

Quote: (04-30-2019 07:54 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Quote: (04-30-2019 07:49 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (03-09-2019 08:22 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Casablanca underrated. Mix of western and Arabic, pleasant climate, available women of all types. Feels safe, no street tout hassles like Marrakesh.

When you say available women of all types are you talking about the locals? Are you getting lays? Are French and Arabic required for game?

I didn't think casual sex was tolerated in morocco although arab friends tell me it's a lot more moderate than other arab countries.

It's easier to push some girls in Casablanca if you're looking good and being a stranger since there are only a few tourists there compared to Marrakesh

Underrated: Miami. Not kidding.

Gets a bad rap like LA. It has a stigma. People complain it's superficial, materialistic, loud, rude, no good jobs, "insider-y", and corrupt. That's all mostly true but if you find a niche for yourself, a good social circle and have a decent income, it's a great place to live. Even for visiting, there's no better city for nightlife, women, outdoor recreation and sheer beauty. Then you have Miami Beach which is awesome within itself and gets visitors from all over the world. I've been here a year and still love it.

Overrated: Most Texas cities. Maybe 20 or 30 years ago there was more of a traditionally southern/Texas culture without all the predictable urban problems that come from growing cities. Now, they're a hodgepodge of California refugees who follow their globohomo corp jobs, overpriced apartments, LA style traffic problems and very little outdoor recreation. Dallas/Houston are like LA without all of the good stuff about LA and Austin is not far behind.

Quote: (05-01-2019 08:18 PM)Alpone Wrote:  

Overrated: Most Texas cities. Maybe 20 or 30 years ago there was more of a traditionally southern/Texas culture without all the predictable urban problems that come from growing cities. Now, they're a hodgepodge of California refugees who follow their globohomo corp jobs, overpriced apartments, LA style traffic problems and very little outdoor recreation. Dallas/Houston are like LA without all of the good stuff about LA and Austin is not far behind.

I agree with the general premise.

There's not a traditional southern/Texas culture in Dallas. One has to go fairly far beyond the Dallas suburbs to find that. I have not had issues with outdoor recreation in Dallas.

I would actually say that Austin is worse than Dallas. Austin has a huge SJW element. Austin is the San Francisco of Texas. Austin is now where Bumble is headquartered, which makes total sense.

Houston might be the best of the 3, but that's not saying much.

Californians are ruining all 3 cities. The urban core of all those cities, plus El Paso and San Antonio, are all highly Democratic. Suburbs and rural areas are the only thing keeping Texas from being a Democratic Party stronghold.

Quote: (03-09-2019 08:22 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Casablanca underrated. Mix of western and Arabic, pleasant climate, available women of all types. Feels safe, no street tout hassles like Marrakesh.

Casablanca is not safe. It is very dangerous at night. Though, I have no experience with morocco woman. A muslim friend of mine told me they are the most liberal Muslim woman .

Over: Amsterdam: very expensive, especially the women. If I wanted expensive women would just say in the US. and if I want central european women I'll just go to the source. A better alternative in many ways is Hamburg. Amazing red Light district there, and less full of tourists IMHO. The negative of course is that many of these establishments come off a bit dingy.

Underrated: Hungary. I met an off-duty professional after her shift, we had matched on a local dating site. Took her for drinks and we fucked like uncaged animals in one of the small alleyways after we were socially lubricated. I called her a "second world slut" as things intensified, which counter-intuitively turned her on more. Granted, I know Hungarian women are into American men for some reason (just ask any guy who's done any stint of time there including Forney, although it is rumored that he still prefers Lviv for some reason, but in my opinion Lviv is too rustic and provincial), but I had no idea it was this easy. Thus far, not many places can top Budapest for me.

Overrated: Saigon.

Horrendous traffic, noise, pollution, weather, no recognizably unique architecture, meh women, and the smallest/worst nightlife scene of any big Asian city.

Underrated: Pnom Penh

I don't know why the place gets hated on so much. It's a reasonably nice looking city, with more French colonial charm than Saigon for sure. Food is great. People are laid back and friendly. I saw a lot of sultry looking women with great bods there. Nightlife is pretty lively given its not that big a city.

Quote: (05-01-2019 04:48 PM)partyfowl Wrote:  

Quote: (05-01-2019 04:41 PM)travolta Wrote:  

Overrated: Bangkok. Don't get me wrong, I love Bangkok and think it's a great city, but after spending lots of time there (living there for a 7 month stretch and visiting many times over the years) I've realized that the women are very average. It's easy to get laid, food is great, and Thailand is a great country, but only dating Thai women will make you think your game is much better than it actually is, and you'll be settling for ugly/average women at best. If you're able to get top tier Thai women then great job, but that's not exactly easy. They're rare and you'll need to penetrate social circles.

Not an international traveler yet but that's what I've gotten from statements about Thailand. It's the McDonald's or the tomato cans of game. Yeah it's easy to get sex there but they have fairly low standards and a Chad in Thailand will be a virgin anywhere else so to speak.

Yup. I spent so many years traveling to Asia (mostly Thailand, Taiwan, Japan). I love all these countries, but only recently I've realized the truth.. 99% of Asian girls are mediocre and the only reason I liked them is because they were EASY and liked me. The exception is the top 1% of super hot girls, who are actaully quite difficult to get (more power to you if you are capable of getting them). Asian girls cannot compare to Latinas or Europeans. I believe the majority of white guys who go to Asia only go there because it's easy. Trust me, your game will hardly improve if you go there. That being said, it's great to spend time in Asia if you've struggled to get laid your whole life and want to boost your confidence with easy pussy. Take most of the Asia experts on this forum and put them in Europe or LATAM, they will face a new learning curve. Anyway, I'm sort of derailing this thread.

Another underrated city is Tallinn. Lots of sexy girls there.

Quote: (05-01-2019 10:45 PM)travolta Wrote:  

Quote: (05-01-2019 04:48 PM)partyfowl Wrote:  

Quote: (05-01-2019 04:41 PM)travolta Wrote:  

Overrated: Bangkok. Don't get me wrong, I love Bangkok and think it's a great city, but after spending lots of time there (living there for a 7 month stretch and visiting many times over the years) I've realized that the women are very average. It's easy to get laid, food is great, and Thailand is a great country, but only dating Thai women will make you think your game is much better than it actually is, and you'll be settling for ugly/average women at best. If you're able to get top tier Thai women then great job, but that's not exactly easy. They're rare and you'll need to penetrate social circles.

Not an international traveler yet but that's what I've gotten from statements about Thailand. It's the McDonald's or the tomato cans of game. Yeah it's easy to get sex there but they have fairly low standards and a Chad in Thailand will be a virgin anywhere else so to speak.

Yup. I spent so many years traveling to Asia (mostly Thailand, Taiwan, Japan). I love all these countries, but only recently I've realized the truth.. 99% of Asian girls are mediocre and the only reason I liked them is because they were EASY and liked me. The exception is the top 1% of super hot girls, who are actaully quite difficult to get (more power to you if you are capable of getting them). Asian girls cannot compare to Latinas or Europeans. I believe the majority of white guys who go to Asia only go there because it's easy. Trust me, your game will hardly improve if you go there. That being said, it's great to spend time in Asia if you've struggled to get laid your whole life and want to boost your confidence with easy pussy. Take most of the Asia experts on this forum and put them in Europe or LATAM, they will face a new learning curve. Anyway, I'm sort of derailing this thread.

Another underrated city is Tallinn. Lots of sexy girls there.

While there's a lot of truth to this, I'd say there's a few major caveats.

1. Some if us are just not into white girls. When I see a pretty, slim one (rare) its like admiring a nice statue. Sexually speaking, just doesnt do much for me. There's definitely some sexy latinas. Average is nothing to cry home about though, and personally the culture rubs me up the wrong way. Part of that is probably hailing from a state thats been overrun with illegals but i digress.

2. If youre looking for a LTR/wife, the stats in the Western world (LatAm included) are working against you. Whether it be divorce rape or infidelity, youre rolling the dice whether you get screwed over there.

3. Asia offers much better value overall than the rest of the world if you have a location independent income.

Quote: (05-01-2019 10:45 PM)travolta Wrote:  

Quote: (05-01-2019 04:48 PM)partyfowl Wrote:  

Quote: (05-01-2019 04:41 PM)travolta Wrote:  

Overrated: Bangkok. Don't get me wrong, I love Bangkok and think it's a great city, but after spending lots of time there (living there for a 7 month stretch and visiting many times over the years) I've realized that the women are very average. It's easy to get laid, food is great, and Thailand is a great country, but only dating Thai women will make you think your game is much better than it actually is, and you'll be settling for ugly/average women at best. If you're able to get top tier Thai women then great job, but that's not exactly easy. They're rare and you'll need to penetrate social circles.

Not an international traveler yet but that's what I've gotten from statements about Thailand. It's the McDonald's or the tomato cans of game. Yeah it's easy to get sex there but they have fairly low standards and a Chad in Thailand will be a virgin anywhere else so to speak.

Yup. I spent so many years traveling to Asia (mostly Thailand, Taiwan, Japan). I love all these countries, but only recently I've realized the truth.. 99% of Asian girls are mediocre and the only reason I liked them is because they were EASY and liked me. The exception is the top 1% of super hot girls, who are actaully quite difficult to get (more power to you if you are capable of getting them). Asian girls cannot compare to Latinas or Europeans. I believe the majority of white guys who go to Asia only go there because it's easy. Trust me, your game will hardly improve if you go there. That being said, it's great to spend time in Asia if you've struggled to get laid your whole life and want to boost your confidence with easy pussy. Take most of the Asia experts on this forum and put them in Europe or LATAM, they will face a new learning curve. Anyway, I'm sort of derailing this thread.

Another underrated city is Tallinn. Lots of sexy girls there.

You need social circles to penetrate the top 1% of girls. They are tightly knit groups and you need patience and social skills.

Quote: (05-01-2019 09:19 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Over: Amsterdam: very expensive, especially the women. If I wanted expensive women would just say in the US. and if I want central european women I'll just go to the source. A better alternative in many ways is Hamburg. Amazing red Light district there, and less full of tourists IMHO. The negative of course is that many of these establishments come off a bit dingy.

Underrated: Hungary. I met an off-duty professional after her shift, we had matched on a local dating site. Took her for drinks and we fucked like uncaged animals in one of the small alleyways after we were socially lubricated. I called her a "second world slut" as things intensified, which counter-intuitively turned her on more. Granted, I know Hungarian women are into American men for some reason (just ask any guy who's done any stint of time there including Forney, although it is rumored that he still prefers Lviv for some reason, but in my opinion Lviv is too rustic and provincial), but I had no idea it was this easy. Thus far, not many places can top Budapest for me.

With this talk of "very expensive women" and red light districts, I'm assuming the "available" women you mentioned in Morocco were the p4p type. I'm not judging you if that's what you meant, it just changes the context about Casablanca being an underrated place for Game.