I'm taking the plunge and getting married this year, starting on kids immediately after, to a nice 6 who's 1 year younger.

I am not a good looking guy, health not so great, a
above average income, and marrying a simple girl with few demands. Hopefully i can have a meaningful and not too difficult life ahead of me and some moments of real happiness along the way.

The best alternative I could hope for as a single guy is a handful of 5s and 6s per year and the occasional 7, with great effort/expense. Why delay or forgoe having children for that?

If I insisted on taking a substantially younger and more attractive wife, as per forum advice, it would be 10 years of worry about cheating and cucking, then 10 years of worry about divorce, then 10 more years of wage slavery into my old age to support her upper class requirements. No thanks.

Quote: (01-14-2019 04:01 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  

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If I insisted on taking a substantially younger and more attractive wife, as per forum advice, it would be 10 years of worry about cheating and cucking,...

If you are getting married, it shall be for the right reason: You find the woman amazing, respect her, find her attractive, and you both are in love. Quite beta advise but, look..

How told you that older / less attractive women are more faithful than younger / attractive women? In my experience it is quite the contrary. I would say the fatter / shorter / older / uglier the sluttiest. Of course it is not a rule carved in stone and everybody is different, just speaking out of my personal experience.

I feel that the main plusses are to have children, add stability, and support during stressful times.

I have a few friends who are successfully/happily married. These are a few things that I feel they all have in common:

- they had been married before (so not their first marriage)
- they are red-pilled
- had good game and screened heavily
- married to women at least 10 years younger (I'd rate these women as 8s and above)
- got their wives pregnant within the first few months (thereby tanking the girl's SMV (?) and also increasing the responsibility as she is a soon-to-be mom)

Don't mean to distract from the thread, but it would be good to hear tips from others who have successful/happy marriages.

There's two separate issues to consider here:

1) Are long term relationships worth it

2) Is getting married worth it - you can be in a long term relationship with someone and even have a kid with them and not get married (there's even some girls that don't want a marriage ceremony or to officially get married). Although, if you live somewhere like Australia, you have to consider that if you live with someone for a certain period of time, you're covered under de facto laws anyway

I've alluded to this before on here - but the answer to both those questions is going to be different for every single guy - there's no one size fits all answer. There's a lot of variables involved such as:
- the guy himself (his personality/mindset/beliefs/awareness, goals, what he wants in a partner and life etc.)
- the girl (same things)
- how early the two people meet/what age, the reasons for them getting together
- the financial situations of both people
- whether they have children or baggage from previous relationships
- + other factors

I've met and talked to both guys that are happily married, and guys that aren't or have been through the divorce machine.

Something I would say is that in the modern age, if you are at all unsure, 100% do not get married. There's too much that can go wrong. I'd also be very hesitant to tell a guy under the age of 28/29 it's in his best interests to get married - you simply don't know enough about life by that age.

You need to be at a point where you understand yourself, you understand women and people, you understand life, you know all your risks, you feel like you've met the right person, you've thought about what the future will look like with this person - and you're willing to accept whatever might happen (good or bad) if you go through with it.

There's no such thing as a risk free marriage even for the best marriages - there will always be some risk and compromise.

Single life/not getting married comes with it's own set of pros and cons too, so it's not like that's a perfect answer.

As a bottom line, know the risks and upsides to both situations, cover your risks as much as possible, maximise your upside as much as possible, and do what's best based on that.

Every man should do what is best for himself with wherever his life naturally takes him. Don't be scared of staying single if you don't meet the right person (know what is outside of your control), but don't be scared of marriage either (if the right person comes along and you feel like making a commitment to them can provide way more upside than downside).

We should have a poll, for every man who got married on Roosh V

Do you regret the decision to get married?

I wonder what the stats would be like

I am happily married. I love my family more than I ever thought possible, and by extension, my siblings and their kids as well as my parents and their devotion to us kids AND their grandkids. There is so much that you come to realize has been sacrificed by having families, and most of this I never knew until I had a family of my own.

Upsides:

- Better relationships
- A partner who is in it for life
- Seeing our efforts produce happy and healthy offspring.
- Sharing meals together
- Waking up together in a busy and loud home, full of laughter and reminders of kids.
- Having someone look at me with love and a neediness that only happens with someone you share the rearing of a child with.
- Eating healthy, whole foods.
- Healthy, whole foods prepared with love and pleasure from a woman who has her families needs at the very top of her being.
- The pleasure of having an exhausting and difficult days mood broken by the antics of a kid. Its impossible to hold on to negativity when children are present.

This is only a part of a longer list, one that grows each day. My list for marriage without kids is short. I do not see a point in marriage without kids, and I am saying this as someone who had been married for 4 years before I had kids. I pray I never have to go back to those days, waking up in a cold dark house with my wife, quietly going about preparing for our day and leaving with barely a sound as we went off together to begin a day of servitude.

Additionally, can a happily married person give insight on what kind of locality tends to work for the married life? Is it better in the suburbs or in the city? I imagine the obvious answer is the suburbs, but let's hear it.

Quote: (01-13-2019 04:43 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

I'm happily married. Upsides, in no particular order:

* I have a beautiful and much younger wife whose youthfulness keeps me young and entertained. She makes me laugh all the time.
* As much sex as I want, and more. I look or grin/grunt at her in a certain way and she's good to go. I have to manage that or else I'd never get anything done!
* Godly submissive homemaker who is my helpmeet and obeys my commands.
* I love leading and teaching her. Makes me feel powerful.
* I love running Patriarch Game, any sign of rebellion or other silly woman-thinking is swiftly squashed.
* Nutritious homecooked meals, all the time. I have not cooked anything in the kitchen for years (and I used to be a bit of a chef).
* My home is minimalist, tidy and clean, always. I have not washed the dishes, done the laundry or cleaned the house for years except when she's sick, which is very rarely.
* Every time I come home, she greets me with the kind of joy you get from your puppy. And I get to come home twice a day, at lunch and dinner.
* She's my warrior's retreat. When I come home tired from work or training, she feeds me, entertains me, massages me and pleases me in bed.
* She is a talented sewer and makes beautiful clothes for us. She always dresses to please me.
* She hustles, loves to be entrepreneurial, and is getting ready to homeschool our children.
* With her playing super tight defense at home, I can focus more on my work and investments, which are bringing us closer every day towards financial freedom.
* She's pregnant with our first born son. I'm proud beyond words of both of them.

Nice. Happy for you.

Homeschooling is something I'd strongly lean towards if I had kids one day.

Legit question - how do you plan on replacing/providing the socialising and building friends aspect for your (future) kid/s that school provides?

You could get them involved in sports clubs - but I don't know if that's enough.

What other solid options are there?

The three other things that would initially concern me with homeschooling (off the top of my head) are:

- I acknowledge that not everyone develops red pill/independent thinking. Some people do better as a part of the system. Without knowing how your kid will turn out - I'd worry I'd be putting them on a path they don't want to be on. But, I guess you could say the same about putting an independent thinker in school

- Your kids would be with one parent or both parents almost 24/7. You'd have to make sure to schedule in times to have your kids away from you so you get a break mentally and so your can each have private time, and so they can develop some independence too

- In the social climate we are in, I wonder if other parents would view kids who get homeschooled as weird. But, I guess it's also a good way to filter other red pill/independent thinking parents into your life

Have you taken a good look at young people these days? It is the kids who go to our modern schools that are socially retarded. They can only socialise with kids their own age, can barely interact with anyone outside their immediate group, especially not those significantly younger or older. When they grow up into young adults, they become the gameless AFCs and the basic bitches we talk about here all the time.

It's a myth that homeschooled kids don't get to socialise much. It's the exact opposite. They socialise with a much wider selection of people rather than the handful in their own class at school like other kids do.

It is our modern schooling that is the failed experiment. Previously we had some form of homeschooling or another for a very long time.

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Your kids would be with one parent or both parents almost 24/7. You'd have to make sure to schedule in times to have your kids away from you so you get a break mentally and so your can each have private time, and so they can develop some independence too

Some questions for you to think about: how did parents and children deal with this before the modern school system? Do you think children from the past were more or less independent compared to the modern ones?

I'd write more but I think that should be a topic for another thread.

Yes. Been married 18 years, together for 20+. We have 3 kids and we are happy together. I come home to a warm meal every night, she is an excellent mother to our kids and she is 9/10 (honestly). It does feel good strutting around with her as my trophy wife when we go out and other guys are checking her out- and she actually dresses modestly but classy and just has natural beauty. Only downside is she’s vanilla in bed and has a somewhat low sex drive (she’s content with once a week). One guy earlier in the thread said that marriage is unlimited sex /bj’s with no effort. This is laughable. It is very limited and it does require effort (essentially keeping some romance alive and in general just not being too much of a dick). I guess everyone’s marriage is different but what he said is definitely NOT the norm.

Happily married.
Upsides

-Stability (you dont have to worry about to find a mother for your kids one day)
-Most of daily tasks are done by her and quite gracefully (washing dishes , clothes etc)
-You enjoy the few days alone / holiday alone per year much more than if you were alone all the time
-Long term perspective
-Harder to split if you carefully check the girl , she will always look to save the wedding before to think about divorcing (and same for the man)
-It can boost your career and make you look as a serious person in the eyes of others , as much as I don't like to be a conformist , in most countries in the world apart from the degenerate west you cannot be a high profile manager if you are not married or have no kids.
-Far from materialistic life. When you have a lot of kids (3) , you can't spend time shopping or doing bullshit. You have to care about home and give some time to your kids.

As one poster said , the key is to have the government and laws backing up a fair marriage deal. It is biased in the west in favor of women.
Still a real man should raise kids and manage his wife , any other long-term goal is meaningless to say the least. A civilization is to be saved , and this work has to be done by men to keep the culture alive.

Nobody in this thread notices the exception not proving the rule? We have a 3-4 dudes proclaiming to be happily married and that’s it. Not drives, whordes; but rather a paucity of gentlemen claiming happy status. Consider this.

Quote: (01-15-2019 11:01 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Nobody in this thread notices the exception not proving the rule? We have a 3-4 dudes proclaiming to be happily married and that’s it. Not drives, whordes; but rather a paucity of gentlemen claiming happy status. Consider this.

It's important to note the selection bias though. How many happily married men would actually be in a forum whose primary drive was to bang random sluts?

For what it's worth, I am happily married (though recent). Hopefully will be a dad soon too.

Each man has to decide for himself if the pros outweigh the cons. It's that simple. Outside of proper vetting, acting like a man and realigning your priorities, you leave it up to providence.

Quote: (01-15-2019 11:36 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

...in a forum whose primary drive was to bang random sluts?
...

Really? Oh boy... I did not know, unbelievable. What I do now? I am scandalized!



Now seriously. The hardest woman to game is your own wife. So nothing wrong to learn game to improve your marital life, right?

Quote: (01-15-2019 11:01 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Nobody in this thread notices the exception not proving the rule? We have a 3-4 dudes proclaiming to be happily married and that’s it. Not drives, whordes; but rather a paucity of gentlemen claiming happy status. Consider this.

A large part of that is demographics.

Some of us have been chasing pussy for a long time, and it happened to overlap with the forum toward the end of our single days. If the forum stays around for another decade you will see a lot of guys disappear and a new crop enter. Some fathers will stick around, like myself, who are still more comfortable around hustlers than some forum on how to raise feminist sons.

Pussy might have brought us all together, but we found a lot more in common over the years. And that is what keeps a lot of us around.

Quote: (01-14-2019 07:46 PM)Laner Wrote:  

I pray I never have to go back to those days, waking up in a cold dark house with my wife, quietly going about preparing for our day and leaving with barely a sound as we went off together to begin a day of servitude.

Can you tell us a little bit more about why you were married for 4 years prior to having kids and what it meant to you?

As well, I find myself curious as to how your wife was prior to kids, and how she is now after having them in terms of her behavior, her emotional cycle, etc.

The question is- how can you have kids without being married? Would any women be amenable to this? The thought of getting married again is nauseating. But, I would like progeny.

Perhaps a sizeable portion of the forum would be interested in this type of arrangement?

Quote: (01-15-2019 01:47 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  

Quote: (01-14-2019 07:46 PM)Laner Wrote:  

I pray I never have to go back to those days, waking up in a cold dark house with my wife, quietly going about preparing for our day and leaving with barely a sound as we went off together to begin a day of servitude.

Can you tell us a little bit more about why you were married for 4 years prior to having kids and what it meant to you?

As well, I find myself curious as to how your wife was prior to kids, and how she is now after having them in terms of her behavior, her emotional cycle, etc.

The first year was spent finding a place together.
The second year I sold my business and went back to University.
The third year I moved overseas for a most of the year.
The fourth year it was on. Bought a home, knocked her up, moved - all in the space of 4 months.

Before kids she was happy and pleasant. She worked, hit the gym 5 times a week, cooked great meals, happy hours, weekend trips for skiing, lots of overseas travel. But there was a deep sadness that I only saw after she had our son. When that sadness was gone, I knew then what it was. The gaping hole in a childless woman. That she will never be truly happy until she holds her baby.

Now she is the happiest woman I know. She is tired, but her day is excitement and shit talk from the moment her eyes open in the morning when our bed becomes a wrestling ring. So that tiredness is something different than the tiredness of being a worker drone. Its the exhaustion of another successful day of child rearing and family maintenance. When the house is quiet after bedtime, there is a peace that borders on serene. The happiness of the home radiates from the walls, from everything. There is no such thing as a cold home anymore.

Yup, happily married. Going on 3 years.

Marriage has so far been astoundingly easy. I just run, "don't fuck up" game.

You know how you don't fuck it up? By sleeping with women who want to fuck you because you're successful and got your shit together.

In fact, I don't like spending time away from my wife especially since I have to travel a lot for business. That's how much I enjoy her company.

Now be right back because the Mrs needs some help.

Let's see if I make it to 8 years which seems to be the make or break year.

Second what Laner and The Beast1 said. I found this forum (and previously, others similar to it) during my single skirt chasing anti-marriage days. I stick around because I have more in common with the men here, even the single pussyhounds, than the soy dads in my city, or elsewhere on the Internet.

Like The Beast1, I really enjoy my wife's company, which used to surprise me from our early dating days, because I generally prefer my male spaces and never liked the idea of living with a woman. Ultimately it's because she follows my lead, and I enjoy leading her.

Someone earlier said that the amount of sex I have in my marriage is definitely NOT the norm. Damn right! Most marriages these days are the Blue Pilled equality ones, where husband and wife describe each other with the sexless term "partner" and slowly kill their own desires for one another. A marriage where the husband is the leader, and the wife is the helper (call it traditional, patriarchal, Red Pilled, or Biblical if you like) is very rare, but when you're in one and you're The Man, your wife is going to be wet and hot for you all the time. That's just what naturally happens when you have internalised Game, to put it in this forum's frequently used terminologies.

Quote: (01-15-2019 01:59 PM)Dilated Wrote:  

The question is- how can you have kids without being married? Would any women be amenable to this? The thought of getting married again is nauseating. But, I would like progeny.

Perhaps a sizeable portion of the forum would be interested in this type of arrangement?

It's not hard. Get a woman crazy in love with you and keep blasting bareback loads into her and you'll be a father....whether you like it or not.

Quote: (01-14-2019 06:40 PM)GT777733 Wrote:  

There's two separate issues to consider here:

1) Are long term relationships worth it

2) Is getting married worth it - you can be in a long term relationship with someone and even have a kid with them and not get married (there's even some girls that don't want a marriage ceremony or to officially get married). Although, if you live somewhere like Australia, you have to consider that if you live with someone for a certain period of time, you're covered under de facto laws anyway

I've alluded to this before on here - but the answer to both those questions is going to be different for every single guy - there's no one size fits all answer. There's a lot of variables involved such as:
- the guy himself (his personality/mindset/beliefs/awareness, goals, what he wants in a partner and life etc.)
- the girl (same things)
- how early the two people meet/what age, the reasons for them getting together
- the financial situations of both people
- whether they have children or baggage from previous relationships
- + other factors

I've met and talked to both guys that are happily married, and guys that aren't or have been through the divorce machine.

Something I would say is that in the modern age, if you are at all unsure, 100% do not get married. There's too much that can go wrong. I'd also be very hesitant to tell a guy under the age of 28/29 it's in his best interests to get married - you simply don't know enough about life by that age.

You need to be at a point where you understand yourself, you understand women and people, you understand life, you know all your risks, you feel like you've met the right person, you've thought about what the future will look like with this person - and you're willing to accept whatever might happen (good or bad) if you go through with it.

There's no such thing as a risk free marriage even for the best marriages - there will always be some risk and compromise.

Single life/not getting married comes with it's own set of pros and cons too, so it's not like that's a perfect answer.

As a bottom line, know the risks and upsides to both situations, cover your risks as much as possible, maximise your upside as much as possible, and do what's best based on that.

Every man should do what is best for himself with wherever his life naturally takes him. Don't be scared of staying single if you don't meet the right person (know what is outside of your control), but don't be scared of marriage either (if the right person comes along and you feel like making a commitment to them can provide way more upside than downside).

I think your points are quite on point. I have been chasing pussy for the majority of my adult life, but for a while I have been in a long relationship with a really good woman and I'm hiting 30 soon and the possibility of marriage started to be a reality, when I was very ecpetical as many in the forum, but as some guys said here. It is not impossible and well married or not, game will always be a thing.

Quote: (01-13-2019 02:24 PM)Hypugamy Wrote:  

Quote: (01-13-2019 04:43 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

I'm happily married. Upsides, in no particular order:

* I have a beautiful and much younger wife whose youthfulness keeps me young and entertained. She makes me laugh all the time.
* As much sex as I want, and more. I look or grin/grunt at her in a certain way and she's good to go. I have to manage that or else I'd never get anything done!
* Godly submissive homemaker who is my helpmeet and obeys my commands.
* I love leading and teaching her. Makes me feel powerful.
* I love running Patriarch Game, any sign of rebellion or other silly woman-thinking is swiftly squashed.
* Nutritious homecooked meals, all the time. I have not cooked anything in the kitchen for years (and I used to be a bit of a chef).
* My home is minimalist, tidy and clean, always. I have not washed the dishes, done the laundry or cleaned the house for years except when she's sick, which is very rarely.
* Every time I come home, she greets me with the kind of joy you get from your puppy. And I get to come home twice a day, at lunch and dinner.
* She's my warrior's retreat. When I come home tired from work or training, she feeds me, entertains me, massages me and pleases me in bed.
* She is a talented sewer and makes beautiful clothes for us. She always dresses to please me.
* She hustles, loves to be entrepreneurial, and is getting ready to homeschool our children.
* With her playing super tight defense at home, I can focus more on my work and investments, which are bringing us closer every day towards financial freedom.
* She's pregnant with our first born son. I'm proud beyond words of both of them.

That's impressive stuff. Do you mind telling us more details about your marriage? IE: your respective races, ages, how you met, education levels. Sounds like you're a great role-model for a lot of lost guys here to emulate.

I would also like to know more about the race and how you met. I just do not see this happening with a college educated western women in her prime years.

I already answered that earlier, and yes it can happen.

The life of the playboy ...

Sometimes it's nice to come home to an empty, quiet house and lay around in your bed, listen to your music real loud, read books, and play your Playstation (or watch movies or do whatever you do). Then maybe workout, drink a scotch, watch some football, and go smoke a few cigars.

But sometimes it's nice to have someone you know in your bed who is going to do the dishes, make you breakfast, and go on a hiking trip with the next day. Having someone to talk to about your day to day life is helpful.

Being single for too long can get very lonely.

Also, if you are not having sex all the time you are doing it wrong. If she isn't hounding for your cock, there is a problem.