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04-04-2012, 10:05 PM
The U.S.A. should not engage in silencing "hate" speech. As others here have pointed out, it's a slippery slope... And honestly, I'd rather be pissed off at an 'offensive' comment some asshole makes, than knowing that he's not allowed to say something at all.
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04-04-2012, 10:13 PM
Unless you are inciting people to harm others like, "kill all of those filthy (insert group here)", you should be able to say what you want. No matter how despicable it is.
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04-04-2012, 11:56 PM
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04-05-2012, 12:14 AM
Very good comments here. Glad to see folks with backbone.
Totalitarianism is creeping into public communication like slow-flowing toxic waste.
I'd already taken Brazil and EU off my list of places to live for this reason (and others). U.S. is off because of TSA (and other reasons).
I do try to reserve race-bashing for races I am part of, in order to be polite. But being polite doesn't mean I am going to whisper or skulk around.
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04-05-2012, 12:52 AM
People should be able to say whatever they want to unless it's defamation or whatever. Holocaust denial and bans on Nazi regalia in general but especially Europe being an exception.
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04-05-2012, 01:47 AM
Nazi regalia is the bomb. Some of the uniforms were apparently designed by Hugo Boss.
If they were or not is really immaterial but whoever designed them had an eye for style, with the black SS uniforms being head and shoulders above any other uniforms in existence when it comes to appearance.
Just because I like the uniforms, flags, decorations, etc it doesn't mean I bake Jews in my oven. I can kind of understand Germany banning the use or display of Nazi paraphernalia, but deep down I feel it's just a typical overreaction by those that see nothing more than the symbolism that pops immediately to mind.
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04-05-2012, 01:55 AM
We all descend from the same specie. It's not as though white people descend from zebras, black people from gorillas, asian people from insert arbitrary animal here. I really have no problem with people being jailed for making racial remarks. Everyone should be treated equally.
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04-05-2012, 04:41 AM
The Brilliant John Robb at Global Guerillas observed astutely...“ Ideologies live or die based on how they are applied in the real world and not in how they seem to work in theoretical discussions or books. Any ex-communist can attest to that.”
The same thing can be applied to free speech/PC laws and gender issues also. They are applied to real world abhorrent from the principals of natural law or biology. Then again we are witnessing the paradigm shift from the individual to the collective.
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04-05-2012, 06:19 AM
Honestly, I believe in pretty strong form freedom of speech.
As somebody else in the thread said, in the U.S., limits to speech are pretty much just defamation and inflammatory statements (i.e. shouting fire in a crowded building). This is pretty much the ideal in my opinion.
We can debate the pros and cons of various types of speech policies all night, and we can talk all day about which types of speech lead to which consequences, but to me, the minute you start seriously talking about "speech codes" or any other type of speech regulation beyond a few basic forms of defamation protection, you're getting into nanny state territory.
I dunno, I guess I just don't like any form of government where the relationship between the authorities and the people is like that between the school teacher and the students. Seems dehumanizing somehow, or at least demeaning.
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04-05-2012, 06:26 AM
A few years or a decade ago, given the fact that most racism was against Jews and other truly victimized groups, I would have said no, ban hate speech wherever.
But seeing where we are today and which groups receive most of the racism accusations (no, not talking about Ayatollah Khamenei, Tea Party and Geert Wilders who all imo really are racist and probably don't need to be censored, only despised), I say fuck that shit. Free speech is in serious danger and we could use less political correctness.
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04-05-2012, 01:42 PM
Free speech is free speech, and this is one of the greatest things about America.
And it's not like racist comments are unpunished in America. You won't be punished by the law like in many other Western countries, but you will suffer social sanction and possibly career consequences.
Full disclosure: I am a racist so my opinion may be biased.
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04-05-2012, 04:04 PM
The roots of restricting "hate" speech were actually imposed by the Allies in Europe after WW2 in order to prevent a Nazi insurgency by essentially eliminating every trace of our glorious Aryan overlor---er, those evil fascists. Of course in the modern era now that the idea of a neo-Nazi movement gaining real political power is ridiculous, they kept the restrictions on free speech and just extended it to act as a club for the governments to wield against opposition to their policies (i.e. let the entire population of Turkey into your country for cheap labor and then call everyone who complains a racist)
The irony of it all is that it doesn't seem to eliminate racist thoughts. I remember talking to this sweet-mannered petite blonde Czech girl, and listening to her go on about gypsies ripping off the state for welfare with the same gusto as a Fox news segment.
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04-05-2012, 04:07 PM
Freedom of speech is what made this country great so I think racist writings are necessary evils although I don't agree with them.
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04-09-2012, 11:02 AM
It is good to see unanimous support here for free speech.
Women are natural supporters for the suppression of offensive, hateful speech. Say something off-color, offensive but true to a group of women, and they will say, "that's terrible, how can you say that?" Giving women a voice in public affairs has ironically curtailed free speech as a whole; we are more trepidacious about saying anything offensive when women are just waiting to scold us, for saying anything untoward.*
If a man ever insinuates to me that something should never be said because, despite being true, it's offensive, I can't see him as anything but a huge pussy. But that sort of behavior is par for the course for women. I've always felt that in the company of men, one should be free to discuss anything and everything honestly.
*Women will drop all pretense of morality and 'tolerance' when they dig you. It's happened countless times that I've made casually racist/xenophobic jokes, and the girl will say "Ohmygod, you're racist!" And then I crack a couple more and she can't help laughing, and she loves it. She feels liberated, because she won't have to worry about being politically correct around me and can speak freely. And she's turned on by the fact that I just don't care about her bullshit beliefs, that I'm content to do my own thing regardless of what she says.
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04-09-2012, 12:22 PM
yes.
i'm horrified by the thought police crackdown in the UK. prison time for saying 'nigger' on twitter. football players hounded for shit talk ON THE FIELD. some late stage end of civilisation decadence that we indulge political correctness like this.
the terrible thing is i would be very wary of airing these thoughts off the internet. more and more you feel compelled to step forward denounce the ultimate sin (calling people nasty names apparently) along with all the other right thinkers
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04-09-2012, 01:03 PM
Every country or race for the most part think of themselves as superior in one way or another. Yes I am generalizing here, but putting down people is a no no in my books.
Blacks calling each other brothers or sisters has a racial feel too. It separates groups. Same goes with italians calling other Italians paisanos etc. not having an anglophone name can be a negative to some wasps.
I say no but people will still use terms to separate people in a negative way