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01-06-2019, 11:06 AM
At some level, I am aware that having short term relations is probably not benefiting women's long term interests because it hurts their ability to pair bond and find good lasting long term relationships. Also, by participating in these short term relations, I am encouraging women to seek out such encounters by making myself available as an option for them and "rewarding" such women for this behavior but am also indirectly showing all other women that are watching that this is the way of men or that they should be considering short term relations as well.
On the other hand, I did not create the following system. It is one that I was born into and have limited control over the tendencies of men and women. Western society has more recently promoted a nihilistic approach to relationships that favors short term relations and this has been supported by women themselves that have opted for making decisions for the short term rather than having a long term perspective.
As men who are thinking not just about the here and now but about the future and what is best for them and their societies, how do you good gents think on these issues? What is your philosophy in these areas?
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01-06-2019, 11:21 AM
Hopefully those with more experience and clout will weigh in, this is something I’m struggling with as well.
Indiscriminate pick-up is a part of the problem. It takes two to tango, you know? On the other hand, casual sex isn’t like Santa Claus* - just because you don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not happening every minute of the day. That is to say, whether or not you Enjoy the Decline we’re still circling the drain.
It comes down to what You want and the compromises you’re willing to make.
*Edit: Except in my case - it only comes round once a year /rimshot
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01-06-2019, 11:39 AM
Retired slut maker here. Sorry for ruining it for the rest of you boys, but girls simply can't help but drop their panties after taking one look at me. It's a tough job to be God's gift to women but hey, someone's got to do it.
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01-06-2019, 11:43 AM
The person who is most at fault if a girl becomes a slut is her father. Either because he is absent for whatever reason, or because he didn't give the correct balance of affectionate love and tough discipline.
Up until 50 years ago, a girl's father was the biggest cockblocker to any man seeing his daughter.
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01-06-2019, 11:44 AM
Women become sluts when they grow up with no father. Or if the father is completely snowed and provides zero guidance.
Edit if you are getting girls pregnant and then bailing then you are creating sluts
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01-06-2019, 11:52 AM
I don't remember which member got this SIG in their signature... but if women have the right to throw their vaginas around like Joe Montana... then you absolutely... wholeheartedly have the right to be Jerry Rice my friend! And piece of advice: since you're already thinking of this, i either recommend that you look for a good LTR... or if you're still in that accumulate # line of thinking... then simply take breaks between Mini-LTR. One Night Stand & First Date Bang til your conscience gets KO'd ==> then you'll have no choice but to be LTR minded.
EDIT: For all the newbies... how do we define sluts? In my mind, this word has lost it's meaning, and pretty much doesn't exist anymore because the Standard is "Slut" Nowadays! I mean the best women out there are on Tinder & dating left & right & chill with the boys drinking beer at the Bar! And these are the best women coming from uni with 2 parents household!
It's important to not act like only ratchet sluts have 20-30 Bangs when 15 year old living in the best part of town are wearing short dresses and Huggs Boots with Leggins while the whole booty's showing! Is she really not gonna out & chill when she's 18,19,20? I think we all know the answer. Granted single parent household create the biggest sluts make no mistake about it... but to put a chick who grew up in a 2 parent household on any type of pedestal is ludicrous in our times. In my view, that's the biggest manosphere White Horse which gets a lot of men in trouble!
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01-06-2019, 12:00 PM
1. Women are adults every bit as much as men are. They make grown up decisions just as we do. In all but cases involving genuine criminality, women are solely responsible for any and all sex that happens in the modern secular world. Women are the gatekeepers of sexuality and they alone decide whether or not sex happens. If she refuses you, there is nothing you can legally do to make sex happen with her. Even hookers must consent.
2. In the same way that only an individual man can be truly held responsible for choosing to commit a murder or rob a bank, only an individual woman can be truly held responsible for the sex that she chooses to have. Perhaps she came from such and such a background or did not have a dad but, ultimately she has agency in the same way that a man coming from the same situation does and his sad story will certainly not prevent the judge from holding him solely responsible for the choices he has made.
3. There is no such thing as modern secular traditionalism. Modern secular girls are already going to do it so they might as well do it with you.
Ask an incel if girls who don't already have it in them will choose to bang him or if he can convince a girl who already rejected him. A girl who really wants to preserve her virginity until marriage and live a traditional lifestyle as a housewife and homemaker will do that and she will not give it up to any guy until she is married. Even the most skilled gamer cannot crack a girl who has committed herself to those principles because all the game in the world will not change a sincere "no" into a "yes" (LMR is not sincere but is only part of the game - if it were a sincere refusal, you'd know). Game is just that, playing the game that women like to enjoy before doing what they have already decided that they are going to do (bang a man they are not married to).
Women who are willing to have non-marital sex have already decided in the first 5-10 seconds of seeing you whether they would bang you or not (just like men do, though we judge different features) and the rest is just playing the game that gets you to where she has already decided she will allow you to go. For the girls who are truly committed to trad principles, game is largely irrelevant in terms of getting non-marital sex as they decided long before they ever saw you that you were not getting in without marrying them and that decision was almost invariably based on religious conviction, not fleeting emotion and arousal.
Also, is women were truly committed to trad principles, then why are up to 90% of divorces initiated by women (75% is only the women without the male and 15-20% is "mutual" which totally doesn't mean that the male was coerced in any way - that never happens)? Traditionalism went away in the West with the introduction of hormonal birth control and the entrance en masse of women into the workplace. When you say "we are making women worse," you are operating on logic that might have been relevant 300 years ago when women and men were both basically slaves to nature, had strong religious convictions, and married before they were 18 but that way of thinking only puts you at a disadvantage now because, whether you yourself are trad or not, a woman is most likely not going to be a traditional virgin by the time she crosses your path and, if she is, you won't be able to crack her.
To answer your question: We are making the most of a bad situation. In the modern West, where women have every right to refuse at any point, it is truly women who, in all cases except those involving genuine criminality, are the deciders of whether or not sex happens. They are already going to give it up, if not to you then to someone else, so you might as well get your piece. Just make sure not to get spermjacked, stay healthy, and stay safe.
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01-06-2019, 12:33 PM
Look back throughout history. When times are good women are sluts, when times are bad women are either whores or they get with a guy who can provide for them. Times are good now. There are no reasons besides personal reasons for a woman to get married and have a family right after high school. So women can now sleep around.
You're not making her a slut, you're simply accelerating the evolution.
The real problem is the fact that men expect women to have willpower. Men expect women to think like us and think logically. We look at women being sluts as bad things because it completely kills progress. Whereas a successful player is the stuff of much talk and practice. A female player is shammed because it means she has poor choices.
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01-06-2019, 12:35 PM
We don't make sluts, they fail to pass our slut tests so we bang them.
“Where the danger is, so grows the saving element.” ~ German poet Hoelderlin
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01-06-2019, 01:31 PM
Saying that "Gen Z is more conservative than Millennials," doesn't mean that Gen Z is making any significant progress toward becoming the next Greatest Generation. It's like saying that Castro was less of a strict Communist than Stalin. While possibly correct, you still can't own property either way.
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01-06-2019, 01:42 PM
Girls are repulsed and creeped out when you think theyre special. Only obnoxious dickhead behavior works. If you go in wanting to date her you will get rejected. They see it as weakness and low value.
You cant make a girl like you. So many christians paint over this telling you to get married young like thats even an option. I dont feel remotely responsible or "guilty" for promiscuity given how girls are behaving.
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01-06-2019, 02:03 PM
If you ain't taking that pussy somebody else will!
Learned that before I ever heard of game, with every girl I had a crush on but was "nice" and "respectful" to.
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01-06-2019, 05:35 PM
I don’t have anything to contribute that hasn’t been said already, but I’ll say that I think this is a great topic and there are a lot of great responses. Another reason why I’m a big fan of this forum
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01-06-2019, 07:21 PM
They were already sluts at least in the west. Age 16 - Age 30 ~ that's 52 weeks x 14 years = 728 weeks. It would be super easy for a woman to bang a new guy every week or biweekly. I'm not counting things like Spring Breaks or European vacations where a lot of guys will attest women will bang multiple guys (sometimes multiple on the same day).
So easily the typical millennial woman will probably have banged at least 100 guys by age 30 unless they were in serial LTRs the entire time (sure there's some woman like that but I knew plenty who were suspiciously single the entire time).