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Lesson from a rat
#51

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>>When it comes to sex, girls live in a world of abundance.

No. Many girls are naturally passive. They need an active man to "give" then an orgasm, and a lot of guys are unable to do this. Seriously, a lot of girls/women really can't masturbate. They have an internal block and it never goes away, no matter how much they practice, no matter how many hours counseling they get, no matter how many books and internet forums they read. These girls/women live in a sexual desert most of their lives unless they find the right guy.

Whereas almost all men can masturbate. If you can masturbate (and this also goes for girls/wonen who can masturbate) you have an endless banquet of sex at hand (ha ha) at all times. Masturbation IS sex. Solo sex.

I'm no virgin myself and so I can assure men who are that the difference between an orgasm from masturbation and one from sex with a woman is minimal from the physical perspective. Like the difference between hamburger and steak. Yes, a difference exists, but it's momentary and small from the physical perspective. And the difference between an orgasm with HB4 (I'm just speculating as to the lowest I've ever stooped, and therefore the lowest about which I can speak based on personal experience) and an HB10 is still less, again from the physical perspective. From the physical perspective, the main factor determining intensity of orgasm is how much time since the previous orgasm.

The big difference between masturbation and sex with an HB10 is mental. Validation. When you fuck an HB10, without paying of course, you can boast here on RVF in the "just got laid" thread, or the internal version of that thread on your own mind. Whereas no one, not even yourself, wants to hear about your latest wank session.

[Cheat code!] You can also pretend you just fucked an HB10 when in reality you just jerked off in your hand, and if your mind control is good enough, you can eventually believe your own lies and also lie convincingly to other people. Also known as "delusions of grandeur", "hero in his own mind", etc.
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#52

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Dude, he's not talking about whether some girls can't masturbate. He means that a woman can have sex with a man any time she wants because men are always thirsty for sex. Hence they live in a world of abundance, like billionaire rock stars. Being a woman is like being a billionair rock star in terms of sex availability.

In a away it's a miracle some girls are as chaste as they are and only fucked six guys. They could fuck 60 in a year. Easy.
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#53

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The 'rat' is an extreme example. He did approach every somewhat attractive girl without any hesitation. And in most cases he got rejected instantly. It took multiple venues to get a result. Sometimes visits to the same venue to test out earlier potential prospects. In the smaller venues he was done in the time it took me to order a beer.

The point of the story is that you do not have any excuse to not get laid. If this 'rat' can fuck girls then you can do as well. And you are likely to do much better; Your sheets are clean.

There are plenty other 'rats' around. Most do have clean sheets, use soap and aftershave. Most 'rats' are good looking guys. Some are crazy eyed midgets. Some are PUA's.

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#54

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>>He means that a woman can have sex with a man any time she wants because men are always thirsty for sex. Hence they live in a world of abundance,

And any man can hump a tree anytime he wants. So? That's what sex with "just any guy" is like to many women. As appealing as humping a tree is to most guys.

You want sexual abundance? Walk around a gay neighborhood. Propositions right and left to suck your cock. Or hang around senile old women who've lost their inhibitions and flash all the young men. Or go to a fat camp for morbidly obese women and have someone spread rumors among the women that you're a chubby chaser. Abundance yes, but abundance of nothing you want.
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#55

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Quote: (10-24-2018 03:07 PM)Shemp Wrote:  

>>He means that a woman can have sex with a man any time she wants because men are always thirsty for sex. Hence they live in a world of abundance,

And any man can hump a tree anytime he wants. So? That's what sex with "just any guy" is like to many women. As appealing as humping a tree is to most guys.

You want sexual abundance? Walk around a gay neighborhood. Propositions right and left to suck your cock. Or hang around senile old women who've lost their inhibitions and flash all the young men. Or go to a fat camp for morbidly obese women and have someone spread rumors among the women that you're a chubby chaser. Abundance yes, but abundance of nothing you want.

Maybe an abundance of nothing they want, but the leverage it affords them is anything but.
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#56

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>>The point of the story is that you do not have any excuse to not get laid.

Of course I applaud anything that discourages self-pity and especially whinging on forums, which is what is implied by "do not have any excuse". However, for a lot of guys, the cost of the Rat's approach machine tactics wiil not be justified by benefits received. Read the "is daygame the worst way to meet women" thread. Approach machines with little to offer and high standards do not do well. Even when guys have a lot to offer, shotgun approaching is not such a great tactic if standards are high. Game is more complicated than that. When high quality girls in a bar see a guy getting blown out right and left, they make a mental note to turn away when he approaches them. It's been like that since forever. If this didn't happen with Rat, the 7's you say he got is probably 4's in my eyes. Maybe not physically 4's but definitely not right in the head. For most guys, the better tactic, for both night and day game, is wait for an IOI, especially sustained eye contact, then approach if the girl interests you.

>>Maybe an abundance of nothing they want, but the leverage it affords them is anything but.

I agree in part. If we assume that what girls want is mostly to feel desired, and secondarily to actually have sex, then thirst from men she doesn't find sexually attractive can possibly satisfy that first want. The second want (for actual sex) is low in many women. Not in all, of course, but in enough to tip the playing field completely in women's favor.

But men mostly want to score with hot babes and only secondarily to actually have orgasms. Proof of this is that orgasms are easy to obtain for anyone who can masturbate, which means most men and some women, which implies thirst for orgasms is not driving men's obsession with sex.

In other words, both men and women mostly want validation, but women get validation prior to sex and men get validation with sex, which puts women in the stronger position, because as soon as the man proposes sex, the woman gets her validation and has no incentive to proceed further.

Men can fix this by changing their mental frame, so that they feel validated by IOI's rather than actual sex. When you receive an IOI, you are validated. So walk away without approaching. You win, the woman loses. Then jerk off at home to satisfy any desire for orgasms. Is this mental change possible? For some men, yes, but probably not all. But if it is possible, it gives you an enormous advantage.
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#57

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Quote: (10-22-2018 12:06 PM)Shemp Wrote:  

I think Neil Strauss in one of his books mentioned a guy who went around telling all the girls in bars "I want to piss in your ass". He got slapped a lot and bounced a lot, but also laid a lot. As Sgt Donger notes, quality may be an issue with these shotgun tactics.

It was Mark Manson who wrote it in "Models".

I enjoyed reading the post, very well written and making a point that if followed will give a specific result: getting laid more.

There are a lot of comments about whether or not the rat is real as well as the quality of girls he bangs. One of my friends is a lighter version of the rat. He would approach almost every single girl at a venue, where venue is anything from bars or clubs to the tram or bus. He did not smell like piss and usually wouldn't drink because he knew he wouldn't handle being drunk very well. But he was far from groomed, long fuzzy messy beard, long untidy hair, sometimes hadn't showered in days, wouldn't brush his teeth. His notch count is beyond what I can count. Funnily enough, his sticking point was that he was too aggressive. He would go for the k-close within minutes and we used to talk about how we were on completely opposite sides of the spectrum. As for the quality of girls he would bang, some of them you wouldn't look at. But many of them were fine for pulling on a night out after a beer or two.

Anyway, I second the takeaway message here which is IF you want to raise your lay count approach more, fail fast and don't give a sh*t.

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#58

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Quote: (10-24-2018 03:07 PM)Shemp Wrote:  

>>He means that a woman can have sex with a man any time she wants because men are always thirsty for sex. Hence they live in a world of abundance,

And any man can hump a tree anytime he wants. So? That's what sex with "just any guy" is like to many women. As appealing as humping a tree is to most guys.

You want sexual abundance? Walk around a gay neighborhood. Propositions right and left to suck your cock. Or hang around senile old women who've lost their inhibitions and flash all the young men. Or go to a fat camp for morbidly obese women and have someone spread rumors among the women that you're a chubby chaser. Abundance yes, but abundance of nothing you want.

I see what you're saying. That's actually a fair point. Women are very particular in what they want. Abundance in itself is useless to them if they don't find what they like. Actually that's an excellent point.

One can look at the abundance point from a male perspective, for many men variety is key because we are evolutionarily conditioned to sow as many oats as possible. However, for women it's the exact opposite, they want the perfect one. To them abundance is meaningless. God has a sense of humour.
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#59

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Quote: (10-24-2018 02:55 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

The 'rat' is an extreme example. He did approach every somewhat attractive girl without any hesitation. And in most cases he got rejected instantly. It took multiple venues to get a result. Sometimes visits to the same venue to test out earlier potential prospects. In the smaller venues he was done in the time it took me to order a beer.

The point of the story is that you do not have any excuse to not get laid. If this 'rat' can fuck girls then you can do as well. And you are likely to do much better; Your sheets are clean.

There are plenty other 'rats' around. Most do have clean sheets, use soap and aftershave. Most 'rats' are good looking guys. Some are crazy eyed midgets. Some are PUA's.

Come on just admit you invented the entire story to make a point already. Nobody is arguing the moral of your fable.
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#60

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I don't like the fable of the "rat"

It devalues both men and women...the learning from this fable is that men can be stinking lowlife that smells of piss but yet still get lots of sex.

It's gutter game.

There's no hope or ambition to be a better man.
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#61

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It is not a fable.

The truth is even worse. He got praised for being a "player". By the girls everyone wants to bang. While those same girls shamed everyone else. Just for looking in the wrong direction.

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#62

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I wonder...with so many approaches in the same venue, doesn't it come off as needy and thus decreases the chances?
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#63

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Quote: (10-24-2018 11:41 PM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  

I don't like the fable of the "rat"

It devalues both men and women...the learning from this fable is that men can be stinking lowlife that smells of piss but yet still get lots of sex.

It's gutter game.

There's no hope or ambition to be a better man.

You don't have to aspire to be like him. Who wants to be like that at 50 with a beer gut and no money? But it is indeed a "red pill" to realise that he's banged lots of girls that don't look to be "like that". Knowledge is power.

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#64

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Quote: (10-24-2018 03:53 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Come on just admit you invented the entire story to make a point already. Nobody is arguing the moral of your fable.

If he were fabricating the story, I think he would simply say "my roommate" or "this guy I knew in college". He kept his living arrangements and relationship to this person purposefully ambiguous.

Also who would make up, "he sold me a broken chair"? If you were lying you would just say "he stole my iPod" to demonstrate his low character.

OP is a good storyteller. If he's lying, then he's a really good storyteller.
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#65

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Quote: (10-25-2018 04:11 AM)Lampwick Wrote:  

Quote: (10-24-2018 03:53 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Come on just admit you invented the entire story to make a point already. Nobody is arguing the moral of your fable.

If he were fabricating the story, I think he would simply say "my roommate" or "this guy I knew in college". He kept his living arrangements and relationship to this person purposefully ambiguous.

Also who would make up, "he sold me a broken chair"? If you were lying you would just say "he stole my iPod" to demonstrate his low character.

OP is a good storyteller. If he's lying, then he's a really good storyteller.

Why would OP who has very nice furniture at age 18 buy a broken chair?

The rat:

Smells like piss and alcohol
Has no friends
Has no charisma
Has no interesting stories
Is short
Is ugly
Doesnt wash his clothes or himself
2 outfits that smell and have a bunch if holes

Oh but he also bangs hot girls.

How many people do you really know who check even close to ALL of those boxes bang hot girls regularly?

I can think of a few short ugly people who bag decent looking girls, but every fucking one of them is interesting, has friends, and doesnt smell like piss.
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#66

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Quote: (10-25-2018 07:14 AM)Repo Wrote:  

The rat:

Smells like piss and alcohol
Has no friends
Has no charisma
Has no interesting stories
Is short
Is ugly
Doesnt wash his clothes or himself
2 outfits that smell and have a bunch if holes

Oh but he also bangs hot girls.


How many people do you really know who check even close to ALL of those boxes bang hot girls regularly?

I can think of a few short ugly people who bag decent looking girls, but every fucking one of them is interesting, has friends, and doesnt smell like piss.

This sound a lot like RSD Julien when he first started in LA

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#67

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Except the short part, except the ugly part, I'm assuming except the smell like piss part. .

Anyway this is my last comment in this thread, believe if you want

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#68

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I think it was David DeAngelo used to tell a story about a rat — short fat little greasy player that was always bagging new women. He'd say to the guy 'man you look terrible, when was the last time you took a shower?'. Rat would snort and laugh, 'about three or four girls ago'.
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#69

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I think the story is fiction but it was an entertaining read nonetheless.
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#70

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Sounds like fiction yes, but even if it is there’s one specific lesson in it that’s universally true and we all know what that thing is; The more you try the more you get.

I used to live in a tiny, worn out, shitty one room apartment, sharing shitty bathroom/kitchen facilities with shitty lowlife people. Now, despite the insane 1000$ a month rent, it was in the city centre of Copenhagen.

I went out at least 4 times a week in this period, approaching left and right, drunk as fuck every single time, and quite frankly had a blast smashing 6-8’s more than once a week every week for about half a year. It’s definitely possible to do this the way “the rat” did it, but I believe that people WILL reach a natural limit at some point. At some point it just stops being good fun, and I reached that point when I got so used to it that I became passive going out. I drowned in my own value, and sure, it did work to some extend, but I stopped being proactive, and that killed it for me. I didn’t enjoy it anymore.

So, while it’s truly great to realise that you can get girls despite bad logistics/lifestyle, and not only that, also keep them coming back for more, it’s merely a temporary state of mind, and the lesson here is how you deal with the “diggin deep” part of the process when it occurs. Did the rat do that at any point? I doubt it!
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Quote: (10-22-2018 07:32 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

Many years ago, when I was about 18 years old, I knew a guy. I refer to him as 'the rat' as this is an accurate description of both his looks and personality. Back then I was still trying to be a typical 'good boy', until 'the rat' showed me the flaws in my ways.

The rat was a short guy. He was ugly as well. His nose was crooked and too long for his face. His hair was greased and always unkempt. He owned two pair of clothes. His clothes had holes in them and barely got washed.

His room only had an old dirty mattress and a chair in it. He did not own these things. He borrowed them. His only possession was an old ashtray that he likely stole at some point in time. He was a thief and regularly stole stuff.

He did not have a job and when he on occasion got one he was fired within a week. He did not care and had no ambition whatsoever. He was always broke and the little money he got his hands on was spend on alcohol.

Most of the time ‘the rat’ smelled like piss and beer. He did not take many showers. He did not clean his bed sheets. He did not iron his shirts. He did not comb his hair.

The rat did not have much charisma. He was generally an unlikable person. He did not have any friends either.

At the time he was the perfect opposite of myself. I had a similar room and it was decorated with tasteful furniture. I had a whole dresser filled with brand name clothes. I ironed my shirts, combed my hair and took care of my shoes. I made sure to be polite, nice and friendly to people. I took showers. I had a good job and a wallet filled with money.

Almost every evening he did have a girl in his room. And every evening I did not have a girl in my room. I could hear him have fun with a whole bunch of girls while I did nothing but masturbate to my extensive porn collection.

One day I decided to figure out what I did wrong. How could a loser like him get this many girls, while I, as a decent guy, got none?

I made friends with him and asked to go out with him. I offered to pay for all his expenses and he happily agreed. And so we went out into the city.

When arriving at the first venue he was not allowed inside by the bouncer. I could go strait inside if desired, but he was not. Not weird considering I dressed in my best outfit and had well maintained shoes on my feet. My hair was combed. I looked like a ‘good boy’. He obviously looked like a homeless guy or perhaps a drug addict. Only at the thirth venue we visited he was allowed inside.

Once inside I walked strait to the bar trying to get the attention of the barkeeper. It took a little while for me to order two beers. And when I finally turned around with beers in my hands ‘the rat’ walked up to me and said; "This place is dead, lets go."

A little confused I looked around. Plenty of good looking girls in this venue. I could not understand why he would call this place "dead". I stared at the beer I just got for us and suggested to first drink the beers. He took one and swallows the beer away like only a proper alcoholic can do. It was gone within a seconds.

After leaving the venue and trying to get inside another I decided to not buy another beer. Good chance that he would decide to leave just after I bought more beers. That would be a waste of money. Instead I focused my attention on him.

What I then observed blew my mind.

When I went to a venue I always walked strait up to the bar to order a beer. Then I would stand and look around for someone to talk to. Hopefully a pretty girl. In most cases I had to drink a few beers just to get the courage to talk.

This is not what he did.

Once he entered a venue he walked immediately up to a girl and said to her: "Hey babe" or "Hi cutie". Most girls instantly rejected him. They made sounds like: "Eeewww" or "Ugghh". Most girls would roll their eyes.

His answer to these girls was one word: "slut" or "whore". Then he would move on to the next girl in his vicinity. It never took long before he had "talked" to all girls in the venue. And in most cases he only got "ewww's" or "ugh's".

However, once in a while a girl would react positive to him. She be drunk most likely. But that did not matter much. He made some jokes, whispered something in her ear, squished her ass and then a few minutes later they would leave the venue. He takes her home. Sometimes he took two girls home.

And this is why ‘the rat’ got laid while I did not. He approached girls. He approached a great many of girls. He did not have any special technique. He did not have any witty stories to tell or status to show off. Basically the only thing he did was saying "Hey babe", without any care in the world.

I did not. I barely approached a single girl. And if I did it was while being drunk. I would never say words like “Hey babe” or “Hey cutie” to a girl. I was told this is impolite behavior. I always tried to make a good impression. Always trying to show myself in the best light as possible. Trying to impress a girl with my career prospects, my good taste in home decoration or my fashion sense.

This guy, who I like to refer to as ‘the rat’, is a perfect example of what guys do wrong. You can be a complete loser, without any ambition, friends, money, hygiene, morals or status and still get plenty of girls in your bedroom.

You do not even have to comb your hair or take a shower. You do not even have to own a bed or your own sheets. It does not even have to be clean. All it takes is the balls and carelessness to approach a whole bunch of girls. One of them is stupid enough to have sex with you. She will likely be simple enough to enjoy it as well. She will come back for more.

Every time you are thinking about not looking good enough, or about not having good clothes, or about being without a job, just think about this ‘rat’. He was not a cool guy. He was not an alpha male. He was not a leader. He did have no status. He was not good looking.

His only possession was a stolen ashtray.


Great story, great friend. You learned alot, which is the most important thing. Thanks for sharing BadBoy!

This story struck home. I also have a "rat" type friend. Allow me to share.

Differences:
My rat friend is not a bad looking guy, he's actually decent looking. He's very tall at 6 foot 3 (usually one of the tallest guys in the joint). He never drinks one drop of alcohol (games completely sober). He does know how to hold a conversation with women. And he works out weekly. Not ripped, but does have quite alot of muscle mass underneath his semi flabby skin.

Similarities:
Has his own studio type crib. Crib isn't fancy but serves to take women. He considers this a huge plus because he works out with a lot of guys, who are ripped, good looking, drive nice cars, but still live with parents.

Only owns one pair of dirty, torn jeans. Worn out shoes. Owns 2 or 3 gym type tshirts. Never has any spending money. Doesn't look like he's showered. Prepares a lunch box and even brings it inside the bars. He actually stuffs food inside his jean pockets, and throughout the night pulls out said food (pieces of chicken or meat) and begins eating it right in front of the girls that he is gaming! He doesn't give a rats ass what any girl thinks of him. If he's hungry, he eats (which is most of the time).

He is very aggressive with women.
He has his niche and knows what type of women he can pick up. He never ever games young white girls. He is certain that white young women do not bang. He simply doesn't waste his time with white women. If he ever sees a girl taking selfies, he ignores her. The whole social media is a big turn off. Doesn't believe those type of women are living in reality. They are living in their own virtual reality and he wants no part of it.

I see him almost every week. And every night he either gets many leads (phone numbers) or takes a girl home.

He cant afford to spend any money, so he doesn't drink, do drugs, or spend any money on girls (he will never buy a girl a drink). But he gets laid more than any of my other friends who are wealthy and have their shit together in life.
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Quote: (10-27-2018 04:56 AM)romain Wrote:  

He has his niche and knows what type of women he can pick up. He never ever games young white girls. He is certain that white young women do not bang. He simply doesn't waste his time with white women.

This is your TL;DR

He's picking up the much lower value women, by definition. To each his own, and maybe he doesn't want any LTR, but it's sorta like being on online apps forever and never trying to meet people in the real world. Not easy, again, but he's admitting he can't get the hardest to game --- and won't try. There's a reason why they're the hardest. Yes, the US culture sucks and plays into this, but the fact still remains.
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#73

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Are white women the hardest to get in the US? In the UK they are the easiest.
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Quote: (10-27-2018 10:06 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

Quote: (10-27-2018 04:56 AM)romain Wrote:  

He has his niche and knows what type of women he can pick up. He never ever games young white girls. He is certain that white young women do not bang. He simply doesn't waste his time with white women.

This is your TL;DR

He's picking up the much lower value women, by definition. To each his own, and maybe he doesn't want any LTR, but it's sorta like being on online apps forever and never trying to meet people in the real world. Not easy, again, but he's admitting he can't get the hardest to game --- and won't try. There's a reason why they're the hardest. Yes, the US culture sucks and plays into this, but the fact still remains.

Yes, thats basically it. He goes for the low tier women. The 2s, 3s, 4s and 5s.

He grew up in a big in the US. He's white. And simply wants nothing to do with white girls. His niche are low value latinas. He loves hanging with me since I speak spanish, and I'm always with a hot latina. Gives him social value around these low tier latinas. Often times we entertain her friends on on many occasions have knocked out the cock block friends.

His philosophy is this, "at the end of the day, I'm going home and banging, while your buddies go home empty handed after failing with all the 7, 8 and 9 white girls.
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