Quote: (09-19-2018 03:25 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  

Even when young, Kirsten Dunst had the round face that is cute on teenagers but does not age so well. She never had the slender oval or heart-shaped face that women who age well have. I am not surprised by her current appearance. A woman of her physiognomy has to spend time in the gym to look good at advanced ages.

Thank you. This is what I wanted to talk about, not argue about the seventies.

Quote: (09-19-2018 01:26 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  

Norm MacDonald,

I agree with you about the childhood. But I disagree with everything else you say. The things I cite were not a distant dream for most people, but was splashed all over the telly and media at the time. There was also the oil shock and resultant gas rationing in certain places (the odd-even day rationing in California) in fall of '73. That's how we got the 55MPH speed law that we had until '95. The early 70's featured all of those gritty cop shows - Starsky and Hutch, Swat, Iron Side (yeah, the latter really dates me), etc. I used to watch them all as a kid. Then there was all of the inflation. And that depressing novel I refuse to finish because it is so F'ing depressing (Come Nineveh, Come Tyre)? That spent 26 weeks on the NYTimes best seller list (back when this metric meant something), meaning that your parents or your friend's parents probably read this novel and thought a lot about it.

If you were a kid at the time, you may not have noticed much of this. But I do remember the television ads urging people to "save energy" lest we ending up like that family huddled under the blanket in the outdoors featured in the ad. Then there was the all pervasive fear of violent crime at the time. I remember my mother warning us not to talk to strangers, let alone getting in cars with them, after a spat of child abductions sometime in the early-mid 70's. When I saw the cover art for Come Nineveh, Come Tyre on Amazon, it reminded me of seeing it as a child in stores.

Oh, and who from the time can forget the divorce revolution, which started around 1971 in my hometown. This really trashed a lot of kids' lives at the time. This was probably the worst feature of the 70's as far as being a child of the times was.

I know a lot of this dates me. But this stuff really was pervasive in the mainstream culture of the time.

I grew up in a very small town a hundred miles from a very large city. I started high school in 1978. Our all white town of 3000 only had a few murders and some sex perverts and drug use, but I knew that there were high school shootings in big cities, and I knew that some girls were total sluts, who would bang a Chad after meeting them for the first time. It was called getting lucky at the time.

The 1980 recession started while I was midway through high school. I remember worrying that I would never be able to get a good job and do as well as my parents. Nuclear war was a real concern, and things like biological war and nerve gas were possible too. I read science fiction, and all these ideas were covered.

Abelard is right. We may not have locked our doors in our little town, but it was well known that the world was going to hell, and was already pretty far gone.

Sorry, folks. From my perspective as part of the Stranger Things generation, despite the fact my immediate social life was a nightmare growing up, my overall sense of the greater world around me was pretty much just sunshine and rainbows. Nuclear War was really more of an abstract concern. Watching The Day After was tantamount to watching a zombie movie. Duck and cover was for the prior generation. By the time I was in peak kid-mentality, the Vietnam War was over, then it was BANG: Star Wars, videogames, home-computers, AD&D, and then when I hit puberty I was greeted with the peak of 80s sex comedies, teased hair, leg-warmers, spandex, etc... The doldrums was the early 90s. Gulf War 1 era and the recession, then I was in my late 20s in the mid to late 90s, riding the dot com bubble and feeling top of the world. My sense of the world going to hell in a handbasket only started after the 911. I think 911 literally broke the spirit of America and we've never been able to recover ever since, only compensate for it in various self-destructive ways.

Quote: (09-19-2018 10:17 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-18-2018 03:43 PM)BlackLeftLeft Wrote:  

Cosign. She's been overrated for years. Plain Jane, not ugly but not hot or really cute, face....she is not a beauty..sorry never bought it.

Disagree. She has (or had) ideal neoteny (a term I didn't know existed until the red-pill but damn well felt it when I saw it). Layman term: girl-next-door innocent looks.

The worst thing about her was her teeth but I think she got them fixed.

This is a very clearly defined "type" and it happens to be my kryptonite. Another younger version would be AnnaSophia Robb (who I first noticed in Bridges of Terabithia):

You should check your aesthetics goggles - that girl here is a 7-8.

This is a 6 in her prime:



MJ Watson was supposed to be a model:



That's why they had to make her a waitress in the movies, because no one would believe that anyone paid her for modeling.

That bitch did not fit the role at all - likely sucked a lot of dick to get the part.

The wall just lowers her from a 6 to a 4-5.

Her face just looked better when she was 13/14, but that is frankly nothing.

Jolie and Aniston are overrated af and now look worse than ever.

Quote: (09-19-2018 09:45 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Sorry, folks. From my perspective as part of the Stranger Things generation, despite the fact my immediate social life was a nightmare growing up, my overall sense of the greater world around me was pretty much just sunshine and rainbows. Nuclear War was really more of an abstract concern. Watching The Day After was tantamount to watching a zombie movie. Duck and cover was for the prior generation. By the time I was in peak kid-mentality, the Vietnam War was over, then it was BANG: Star Wars, videogames, home-computers, AD&D, and then when I hit puberty I was greeted with the peak of 80s sex comedies, teased hair, leg-warmers, spandex, etc... The doldrums was the early 90s. Gulf War 1 era and the recession, then I was in my late 20s in the mid to late 90s, riding the dot com bubble and feeling top of the world. My sense of the world going to hell in a handbasket only started after the 911. I think 911 literally broke the spirit of America and we've never been able to recover ever since, only compensate for it in various self-destructive ways.

They spent about ten minutes a week on real stuff in high school, but it wasn't even real, it was just a school subject: "Current Events."

Looks like another Nolanverse Batman flame has hit the wall, joining Marion Cotillard and her droopy tits.



Maggie Gyllenhall has a puffy face and when I saw her in Batman I kind of knew it would shake out this way. I just never knew it would be this soon. She's only 41. She looks at least 50 in this still above.

A reminder of how she was back in 2006:

I always thought Maggie Gyllenhall was ugly as fuck.

I wonder if those with a cougar fetish get aroused by this thread?

Quote: (09-21-2018 09:25 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

I wonder if those with a cougar fetish get aroused by this thread?

Wall Survivors is the thread for that.

Quote: (09-21-2018 08:51 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

I always thought Maggie Gyllenhall was ugly as fuck.

Add to that.....Andie McDowell. Yuck.

Quote: (09-21-2018 04:01 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Looks like another Nolanverse Batman flame has hit the wall, joining Marion Cotillard and her droopy tits.



Maggie Gyllenhall has a puffy face and when I saw her in Batman I kind of knew it would shake out this way. I just never knew it would be this soon. She's only 41. She looks at least 50 in this still above.

A reminder of how she was back in 2006:

I could never understood why this uglie was cast as Bruce Wayne's love in Dark Knight movie. If I were a millionaire ninja CEO detective superhero - I would not even look at such women. Even now I don't even speak with such women unless it's for business. She is the reason I rate this movie as a 8 instead of 9. I rate herself as a 4, maybe a 5 if she had a super smoking hot body, but she never saw that in the movie so I doubt her body is anything special.

Quote: (09-21-2018 08:51 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

I always thought Maggie Gyllenhall was ugly as fuck.

Yep. I wouldn’t even call her a Wall Victim; she was fugly from the start.

Quote: (09-22-2018 06:57 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

Quote: (09-21-2018 08:51 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

I always thought Maggie Gyllenhall was ugly as fuck.

Yep. I wouldn’t even call her a Wall Victim; she was fugly from the start.

Agreed. She actually looks better now in terms of having the appearance of an average middle-aged woman rather than a fugly teen/young woman.

Yesterday I saw a girl I went to school with. She was actually one year behind me. She wasn't wearing any makeup. I hadn't seen her in a long time and she looked like she was wearing that aging prosthetic makeup they use in movies.

Quote: (09-22-2018 12:16 AM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-21-2018 08:51 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

I always thought Maggie Gyllenhall was ugly as fuck.

Add to that.....Andie McDowell. Yuck.

That pic is from 1978 in her model years.

You have to remember this - when she blew up in the 1990s, then she was already 10-15 years past her prime. She became famous in her mid 30s and 40s! She is 60 now.

She has a certain look that many men like - me included - and she was still hot aged 34/35 back then:



That other broad must have sucked a lot of dicks to get so many good parts as a 6 - and she was a 6 in her super-prime:



No one would be paying her for model cover-shoots.

Quote: (09-22-2018 08:07 AM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-22-2018 06:57 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

Quote: (09-21-2018 08:51 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

I always thought Maggie Gyllenhall was ugly as fuck.

Yep. I wouldn’t even call her a Wall Victim; she was fugly from the start.

Agreed. She actually looks better now in terms of having the appearance of an average middle-aged woman rather than a fugly teen/young woman.

Damning with faint praise...

Quote: (09-21-2018 04:01 PM)questor70 Wrote:  



Maggie Gyllenhall has a puffy face and when I saw her in Batman I kind of knew it would shake out this way. I just never knew it would be this soon. She's only 41. She looks at least 50 in this still above.

And she's wearing makeup. Just imagine what she would look like without it.

I remember watching a documentary about a Christian music star who died in a plane crash. His wife saw the plane go down and ran to it, and as she was running heard God's voice very clearly saying to her, "Why do you have to look at him? Wouldn't it be better remembering him as he was in life?"

Don't know why that memory just came into my head.

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Quote: (09-28-2018 12:06 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

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Lighting/photoshop tricks aside, Maud Adams is the only one in the bunch that looks "good" (i.e. aging gracefully). Mind you, she's 73 now so at some point you have to apply a sliding scale.

This is how she looks outside of a controlled environment.

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Quote: (09-22-2018 01:46 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Quote: (09-21-2018 04:01 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Looks like another Nolanverse Batman flame has hit the wall, joining Marion Cotillard and her droopy tits.



Maggie Gyllenhall has a puffy face and when I saw her in Batman I kind of knew it would shake out this way. I just never knew it would be this soon. She's only 41. She looks at least 50 in this still above.

A reminder of how she was back in 2006:

I could never understood why this uglie was cast as Bruce Wayne's love in Dark Knight movie. If I were a millionaire ninja CEO detective superhero - I would not even look at such women. Even now I don't even speak with such women unless it's for business. She is the reason I rate this movie as a 8 instead of 9. I rate herself as a 4, maybe a 5 if she had a super smoking hot body, but she never saw that in the movie so I doubt her body is anything special.

She was cute in her own way. You just never know how a woman will look when she gets older or has children until you pull the pin.

Anyone ever date someone hitting the wall? Does their behavior change? Are they more appreciative as their sexual market value plummets?

I dated a 29 philipino who is a little chubby but still pretty nice - maybe a 6 - but I saw pictures of her 5 years ago and she was a full 8. I wonder if she was any different personality wise when she was hot. She was really sweet with me but a bit clingy also.

Quote: (09-29-2018 04:09 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

Anyone ever date someone hitting the wall? Does their behavior change? Are they more appreciative as their sexual market value plummets?

Answers: yes, yes, and yes.

The problem with dating a post-wall woman is that while they're easier to get, they are suffering from continual low-level grief as they see their beauty taken from them. So let's say she was a 10 and now she's still a solidly bangable 7 MILF, she sees the glass as firmly half-empty whereas a younger woman who maxed at 7 may envy 10s but still has a far healthier self-esteem as she's stayed a constant. How she looks is all she's ever known.

This is usually not going to be shown to you overtly. She could very well be shielded in layers of denial and coping mechanisms (like drinking). But it's there. You can feel it. And the longer you're with them, the more they'll start to let their guard down and you'll be asked to keep reassuring them that they are still hot, which gets tedious.

I think this is a big reason why older men wind up having to date younger and younger. I'd be far more willing to date women closer to my own age if they didn't have such a sad-sack attitude.

Katie Holmes was never hot to begin with, but she's been looking like a crack whore for years. It seems neither Dawson nor Pacey claimed her in the end. Father Wall did:

Holy fuck.

The wall is relentless.