Quote: (03-19-2018 01:14 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2018 12:52 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

Newbies: wrap it up. Experienced guys: heighten immunity and prepare to die 10-20 years lower then average if you bang 50+ bitches a year.

Not everything is to be recovered from, not with our current technology at least.

You got sources or studies to cite this dramatic drop in life expectancy ?

No.

It's an assumption based on theory + studies that are suggestive but are for from conclusive.
Fucking is a nice way to spread pathogens from one host to the next. That's undisputed looking at STD common rates.
Beyond that, the theory is "infectious origin of disease, which states that most known chronic diseases (cancer, heart disease, diabetes) are likely caused by unidentified infectious pathogens. Google it, 1+1=2.

Examples of known pathogens linked to chronic diseases:
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-cau...ruses.html
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/101/3/252
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22504578

Known pathogens can make existing chronic conditions worse or are linked to the moment they arise. Those chronic disease tend to make you kick the bucket 10-20+ years early compared to the average.

IF you get into the theory of infections as a cause of chronic disease you'll see that many studies are suggestive but that we'll won't know for sure in our lifetime. If there's a competing theory, please post it.

Quote: (03-19-2018 02:00 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2018 01:14 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2018 12:52 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

Newbies: wrap it up. Experienced guys: heighten immunity and prepare to die 10-20 years lower then average if you bang 50+ bitches a year.

Not everything is to be recovered from, not with our current technology at least.

You got sources or studies to cite this dramatic drop in life expectancy ?

No.

It's an assumption based on theory + studies that are suggestive but are for from conclusive.
Fucking is a nice way to spread pathogens from one host to the next. That's undisputed looking at STD common rates.
Beyond that, the theory is "infectious origin of disease, which states that most known chronic diseases (cancer, heart disease, diabetes) are likely caused by unidentified infectious pathogens. Google it, 1+1=2.

Examples of known pathogens linked to chronic diseases:
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-cau...ruses.html
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/101/3/252
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22504578

Known pathogens can make existing chronic conditions worse or are linked to the moment they arise. Those chronic disease tend to make you kick the bucket 10-20+ years early compared to the average.

IF you get into the theory of infections as a cause of chronic disease you'll see that many studies are suggestive but that we'll won't know for sure in our lifetime. If there's a competing theory, please post it.

Human papillomavirus is the big one here. If you banged more than one girl in your life, the chances are you have HPV. Let me quote the CDC stats to make a point.

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How common is HPV and the health problems caused by HPV?

HPV (the virus): About 79 million Americans are currently infected with HPV. About 14 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that almost every person who is sexually-active will get HPV at some time in their life if they don’t get the HPV vaccine.

Health problems related to HPV include genital warts and cervical cancer.

Genital warts: Before HPV vaccines were introduced, roughly 340,000 to 360,000 women and men were affected by genital warts caused by HPV every year.* Also, about one in 100 sexually active adults in the U.S. has genital warts at any given time.

Cervical cancer: Every year, nearly 12,000 women living in the U.S. will be diagnosed with cervical cancer, and more than 4,000 women die from cervical cancer—even with screening and treatment.

There are other conditions and cancers caused by HPV that occur in people living in the United States. Every year, approximately 19,400 women and 12,100 men are affected by cancers caused by HPV.

*These figures only look at the number of people who sought care for genital warts. This could be an underestimate of the actual number of people who get genital warts.

You can get HPV by mere skin contact and no amount of protection will save your ass. Going down on sloots is extremely dangerous due to increased risk of getting throat cancer.

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The American Cancer Society’s most recent estimates for laryngeal cancer in the United States for 2018 are:

About 13,150 new cases of laryngeal cancer (10,490 in men and 2,660 in women)
About 3,710 people (2,970 men and 740 women) will die from laryngeal cancer

As you can see, men are way more likely to get throat cancer and one of the main reasons is eating her out. Vagina is a treacherous place indeed.

This virus can hibernate for decades before manifesting itself. So, I completely that sexually active men with 20+ notch count will live 10-20 years shorter.

In my 50's now and I am reading this thread to re-remind myself to be careful.

I was banging before there was something called AIDS. In my day herpes was around but not as prevalent or only sluts and whores were assumed to have it. I use to laugh with the guys on being a frequent free clinic customer (why does it burn when we pee..or whats that annoying drip drip drip...ho ho ho) for the occasional chlamydia infection. One of my friends took great glee in pulling crabs out and putting then nn a pool table for us to see then chase us around with it.

Today you almost need a full hazmat or bio suit to have sex .Chlamydia is becoming a super bug impervious to old treatments.

I can't really tell the readers here on the number of friends that I have lost that didn't die but changed mentally and withdrew when they either got a close call or actually caught a incurable STD.(girls included)....sex is a big part of living life

A friend of mine was cheating on his wife (married his highschool sweetheart...2 kids) with a girl at work, we thought that was just great hearing his stories for about a year until he shakenly told us one day the co worker had AIDS. That changed him forever (he never got it) the co worker died a few years later.(horribly). My friend disappeared also from going out for a few drinks.

There a billion std stories out there too many to tell really.

But there is a growing issue with older guys (and women) this group is catching and giving STD's faster than ever before (and traveling more). The older group has let it's guard down. Engages in more riskier sex because they don't have many quality years to live!
Where does a 50 yr old wanna be 20 years is a lot different than a 30 year olds musing.

I re-remind myself to wrap it up just because I don't need one more problem I kind of like the few problems I am living with right now (bad knee and eyesight..lmao). Let's not be stupid here because there are raw dogging older guys travelling the world that don't give a rats ass anymore about themselves or women or you. These dudes raw dogging one night stand with Olga or Maria 2 nights ago is your one night stand today.

Girls are the best in self denial in pretending to be a good girl and blaming men in giving them the sex (not her fault he got a disease she said no)....which works because men only blame themselves afterwards.

Travel note... remember there are guys that have incurable STD's that can't really fuck in there "home towns" and fly out to do it. These same guys think it's great to bang other tourist chicks in hostels (and the locals). The probability that there are also chicks that can't fuck in there home towns (get caught spreading the STD news) and fly out to do it to hostels is also...a given.

Just like a guy can fly into my country and go bang his way through Toronto but unknowingly to him or what he should be aware of is some Toronto chicks love hearing this unique guy is a tourist and flying out (with a STD gift) the next day.

My advice is always stay in countries long term and get to know a chick(s) a lot better than just a night or DO just like a lot of long term RVF'rs do ...go further away from 1st tier cities when in any country of choice.

So basically this is a big IF based on a few things that need to happen to you to lose 10-20 years of your life.

I'm also sure this includes diet and lifestyle.

I'm not worried at all, I take care of myself, but I guess we'll find out if they do long term studies.

So much "bro science" in this thread.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, wrap it up or be prepared for the consequences.
Just like not wearing a seat belt in a car, sure you might ride for years in a car with no issues but then one day, bang and you died/got seriously injured when you didn't have to.
Also just like a seat belt, wrapping up is not going to save you from everything, but what are you going to do, not drive?

@kaotic: it's based on the following premise:
- There are enormous amounts of pathogens (bacteria, viruses) out there. It's impossible to map them all let alone test for them. They also evolve faster then we do, exploiting our weaknesses (and overcoming our medicines)
- Only acute infections are treated (if there is a treatment) but most chronic diseases are linked to pathogens as well. For many diseases we do not know the exact pathogen but there's evidence of the cause being infectious in nature
- How poorer the shithole, how higher the rates of infectious disease
- Many infections cannot be treated effectively

Yes, diet and lifestyle is important but not as much as you would think. The links between infections and disease are stronger then the absence of healthy food with disease.

STD's are c'est la vie. I'm a rawdogger. Respect to those of you with the self control to wrap up, but I can't do it. I actually had an SA girl ready to fly out just for the free trip and I told her no when she said she insists on condoms.

Quote: (03-29-2018 05:48 PM)Catch 22 Wrote:  

STD's are c'est la vie. I'm a rawdogger. Respect to those of you with the self control to wrap up, but I can't do it. I actually had an SA girl ready to fly out just for the free trip and I told her no when she said she insists on condoms.

I will not wear condoms, I'd rather get my dick sucked. I've caught a couple things treatable by antibiotics and have lucked out on herpes (I have zero worries about HIV not into anal, dudes or needles.)

It's getting scary with this treatment resistant gonorrhea I didn't used to avoid gutter sluts as long as they were 6s

I'd rather play video games or check rvf (ok, slight exaggeration)

'Ohh baby I like it raw...'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zgB93KANE

Ol' Dirty Bastard
R.I.P

[I heard this again yesterday, seemed appropriate for this thread. Hooked up my phone to the sound system in the gym with playlist on random. Maybe wasn't appropriate then))

Just sharing. Might make this my new ringtone ]

Let's say the lady A blows the gentlemen B. B has HPV in his dick but there are no apparently warts on sight. Then , the lady A has HPV in his mouth that will spread to the next guy C she will kiss. The guy C will spread the HPV from his mouth to the girl D by kissing or by sucking... The chain has no end.

HPV can have symptoms or not, but the virus remain in the skin. Unless, we live in a protected and well controlled laboratory plastic bubble, sooner or later we all will have HPV in the mouth, the dick, the vagina.... If we develop cancer or not may be related to high stress, food diet and lack of proper daily exercise among many other factors plus the HPV virus.

Of course, to use condom will reduce the risk of any kind of STD but it is not bullet proof.

Nowadays, active sex people are just a living and moving virus/bacteria repository. Take it or wank yourself as a monkey at home until you die.

Quote: (04-29-2018 05:22 AM)Guiom Wrote:  

Let's say the lady A blows the gentlemen B. B has HPV in his dick but there are no apparently warts on sight. Then , the lady A has HPV in his mouth that will spread to the next guy C she will kiss. The guy C will spread the HPV from his mouth to the girl D by kissing or by sucking... The chain has no end.

HPV can have symptoms or not, but the virus remain in the skin. Unless, we live in a protected and well controlled laboratory plastic bubble, sooner or later we all will have HPV in the mouth, the dick, the vagina.... If we develop cancer or not may be related to high stress, food diet and lack of proper daily exercise among many other factors plus the HPV virus.

Of course, to use condom will reduce the risk of any kind of STD but it is not bullet proof.

Nowadays, active sex people are just a living and moving virus/bacteria repository. Take it or wank yourself as a monkey at home until you die.

Here is so good information

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...c-20351596

It's not as bad as you claim but.... I would still wrap it up with a ONS even though I would say most guys I know don't.

I actually prefer girls that insist on a condom these days since they tend to cleaner and get checked regularly then some random where the bang was too easy.

Most of you guys probably know this, but there's a HPV vaccine now. Seeing as how many oral/throat cancers are caused by HPV, you should really consider it.

I'm kind of neurotic about STDs as it is, so having one I don't need to worry about is a big help.

Seriously consider using condoms. There's been a resurgence of bacterial STDs (Chlyamdia, Gonnorhea, Syphilis) in the last few years. Some of the new strains are antibiotic resistant and can't be treated without a harsher course of treatment. Contrary to what this thread would have you believe, HIV is real for heterosexual men.

Yes, it's difficult to transmit, but probability hacking is not a good way to avoid a disease.

For those of you who use condoms with a ONS, but then stop using them while dating a girl, why? If you are going to get Herpes or HPV or whatever, you can will just as easily get it from her 3 weeks into the relationship when you stop using rubbers. In fact who says she hasn't fucked several infected guys in the meantime? Just as you start raw dogging, she could be freshly contagious I mean, either you are trusting her word that she has never had an STD as far as she knows, or you are not. EVER. Does "getting to know her and she swears she's not a super slut" make her less able to infect you, or change her past? Who knows what her body count really is?? Or if she is faithful along the way.

I'd say if you are worried a girl might have an STD, then don't sleep with her - ever. If she has cold sores, or is a meth addict with a damaged immune system, then REALLY stay the fuck away. You cant prevent HPV, so don't bother trying. You will not get AIDS unless you yourself have a damaged immune system /share needles + tear your penile/anal membrane etc.

If you ( like myself) have a sperm count of zero (TRT or Vasectomy), then it seems that you might as well not use a condom with the females of your choice, or if you want to use them, then continue using them for the entire relationship with that particular girl. Or find a virgin to reduce your odds ( good luck with that if you are over 20).

IMO the best bet it to vet the women a bit before you hop into bed + don't fuck in total darkness. If you can't make first-pass visual inspection on the goods for any obvious flare-ups etc, then refrain from vaginal sex until a later time. Other than that, it's up to fate.

Leaving the light on to do a visual check is an end goal.

Why do I say end goal? Because I use the light as a test and it's funny "leaving the light on" was brought up today because I unconciously use the light ON...as a crude test
At my place I purposely leave the light off in the bedroom. and at a chicks place I note what she does with the lights.
Sexually active chicks want to protect their sexual heath ....so they want a look at your wang. (so you wait to see if she "flicks on the light"
Whores want the light on....they want to give you head first(do a close up look)....and even put the rubber on you themselves.
Ugly chicks are difficult to make an inital assessment because ugly wants darkness. I assume sperm dumpster anyways and wrap it up

Back to the Test.
The new "love of your life" comes over to your place. Later in the evening things get hot and you make your way to the dark bedroom. You wait to see what she does with the light...or breaks away to turn on bathroom light (freshen up down there...get a rubber out of her purse for you). If you get light ON and a blow job first....your not with a 25 year old virgin.
The fact is zero sex means zero std's. Doing the above means fuckall on sexual risk...it is basically an assessment on a sexually reckless or responsible girl.
How many guys she banged or std's she caught to get sexually responsible is unknown. Maybe the 49 guys she banged were all just losers like she said..and your the keeper!

Welp gents. After 15+ raw notches and rawdogging a couple of dirty sluts I got the ooool' chlamydia. I think I know who gave it to me but it doesn't really matter. My current LTR who I have been exclusive with isn't thrilled but has been handling the situation fairly well and not holding a grudge because she has to get treated too. It sucks though. No raw sex with LTR for 10 days and no sex at all for 7 at least. No fun. I'm not sure who I got it from but I sent a 'sorry get checked' text to all my sexual partners since the last time I got tested. It was awkward but they were all thankful for the heads up. I also feel I did the right thing even though it was a little awkward. Just glad I didn't catch anything permanent and especially glad not to give it to my ladyfriend.

Anyway, get testes often and wrap it up if you're banging high risk broads. I thought I had an invincible dick, turns out I didn't. Live and learn. Not looking forward to the phone call from the CDC but I'm just going to tell them I contacted all the relevant parties and I'm not giving out personal info.

Quote: (05-17-2018 02:32 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  

Welp gents. After 15+ raw notches and rawdogging a couple of dirty sluts I got the ooool' chlamydia. I think I know who gave it to me but it doesn't really matter. My current LTR who I have been exclusive with isn't thrilled but has been handling the situation fairly well and not holding a grudge because she has to get treated too. It sucks though. No raw sex with LTR for 10 days and no sex at all for 7 at least. No fun. I'm not sure who I got it from but I sent a 'sorry get checked' text to all my sexual partners since the last time I got tested. It was awkward but they were all thankful for the heads up. I also feel I did the right thing even though it was a little awkward. Just glad I didn't catch anything permanent and especially glad not to give it to my ladyfriend.

Anyway, get testes often and wrap it up if you're banging high risk broads. I thought I had an invincible dick, turns out I didn't. Live and learn. Not looking forward to the phone call from the CDC but I'm just going to tell them I contacted all the relevant parties and I'm not giving out personal info.

How did you explain it to your LTR? Thats always my biggest fear with not wrapping it up. "Honey, I must have caught it from a toilet seat I swear..." is a hard sell.

Quote: (05-17-2018 02:32 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  

Welp gents. After 15+ raw notches and rawdogging a couple of dirty sluts I got the ooool' chlamydia. I think I know who gave it to me but it doesn't really matter. My current LTR who I have been exclusive with isn't thrilled but has been handling the situation fairly well and not holding a grudge because she has to get treated too. It sucks though. No raw sex with LTR for 10 days and no sex at all for 7 at least. No fun. I'm not sure who I got it from but I sent a 'sorry get checked' text to all my sexual partners since the last time I got tested. It was awkward but they were all thankful for the heads up. I also feel I did the right thing even though it was a little awkward. Just glad I didn't catch anything permanent and especially glad not to give it to my ladyfriend.

Anyway, get testes often and wrap it up if you're banging high risk broads. I thought I had an invincible dick, turns out I didn't. Live and learn. Not looking forward to the phone call from the CDC but I'm just going to tell them I contacted all the relevant parties and I'm not giving out personal info.

Damn. I'm sorry bro.

My personally advice for all the gents here is to always put condom in your wallet. It's a good joke with your friends when you need to take the credit card out to pay at the bars too.

Some more info. there are 100+ different strains of HPV, only like 5 cause warts and only like 3 are linked to cancer. non of the cancer ones cause warts. and yes you can get multiple different strains.

Hetorosexual men can definitely get HIV and things like HPV and Herpes increase your chances significantly because they produce weak points in the skin for the virus to enter more easily.

Quote: (05-16-2018 10:41 PM)Incubus Wrote:  

Leaving the light on to do a visual check is an end goal.

Why do I say end goal? Because I use the light as a test and it's funny "leaving the light on" was brought up today because I unconciously use the light ON...as a crude test
At my place I purposely leave the light off in the bedroom. and at a chicks place I note what she does with the lights.
Sexually active chicks want to protect their sexual heath ....so they want a look at your wang. (so you wait to see if she "flicks on the light"
Whores want the light on....they want to give you head first(do a close up look)....and even put the rubber on you themselves.
Ugly chicks are difficult to make an inital assessment because ugly wants darkness. I assume sperm dumpster anyways and wrap it up

I think it could go both ways. If a girl leaves the light on, she is more confident with her body (VAST majority of girls these days have gargantuan self-esteem issues that they suppress daily) and that could mean she's a slut. Many girls I have fucked have insisted on the light off during sex because, unlike on Instagram, they can't control how you see them and what angle you look at them from and you get all of her body in your hands and it can feel really uncomfortable for a girl.

On the flip side, I've seen what you're talking about too. I think a more surefire test is to see if she lets you see her naked in the light [i]at all[i]. If she insists on the light coming off as soon as she undresses, you got problems I think.

But all this "testing" is bullshit anyway. Don't let's pretend we ever know what's going on. I've met Mormon angel "virgins" that were secretly on Blacked.com. The greatest compliment a girl can receive in 2018 is a "who is she?" in the Pornhub comments sections.

That's a world where being a slut isn't a lifestyle anymore, it's a cultural habit. Being a slut used to entail a certain degree of outward reflection because of its associated social status.

If you were a slut, your whole life reflected it because it was some kind of commitment. No one would let you forget and everyone paid attention. There was a slutty way to dress, a slutty way to flirt, a slutty way to walk, a slutty way to emote. That's all done.

Now so little people care if a girl is a slut that being a slut is like having an iPhone. Sluttiness doesn't have a look anymore. It doesn't have an obvious behavioral pattern anymore. It doesn't define girls anymore. So the church girl is a slut and the businesswoman is a slut and the 50 year old mom is a slut and even the mailman is a secret clittyboy slut too.

Point being: no amount of HPV studies or statistical analysis is going to give you the real picture on the ground. Every study from 2012 is outdated by 2013 because the sexual culture degenerates that fast.

Either wrap it up every time or just say fuck it and subject yourself to whatever is out there. Give up on trying to make case-by-case adjustments. You're going to get fooled.

I'd like to add that you should be extra -careful in less developed countries. Couple years ago during my college years in the states I've banged chicks, mostly those North Asians International students (chinese, hongkong, japanese sort) rawdogged all of them and thank god I am still clean. Just when I and a close friend of mine think it can't be too bad, went to south east Asia and banged a college chick (only once, mind you) there- bam, he told me started having warts and diagnosed with HPV. So I assume the international students at least can take care of themselves better than those in less developed countries.

@Zatara

I don't pretend I'm some dude who never gets laid. Pretty much from day 1 in any of my FWB or LTR relationships I hint at the fact that I get laid a lot which I think adds DHV, and of course it's true so i'm congruent. The caveat with that is letting them know I choose them because I think they're worth it, while instilling dread from before, I have options.

So it was as simple as "bad news sweetheart. I have chlamydia". She curled up and didn't talk to me for a couple minutes, looked a little sad. Asked if it was from me cheating and it wasn't so she accepted it and went and got treated with me. I think it's actually made us closer.

I'm a monogamous dude in LTRs and a pretty straight forward guy in general. I tend not to give anyone a reason to doubt me and find life is better this way. If someone has sidepieces or fucks around a lot I wouldn't know how to go about it.

Quote: (05-17-2018 11:00 AM)AceP Wrote:  

I'd like to add that you should be extra -careful in less developed countries. Couple years ago during my college years in the states I've banged chicks, mostly those North Asians International students (chinese, hongkong, japanese sort) rawdogged all of them and thank god I am still clean. Just when I and a close friend of mine think it can't be too bad, went to south east Asia and banged a college chick (only once, mind you) there- bam, he told me started having warts and diagnosed with HPV. So I assume the international students at least can take care of themselves better than those in less developed countries.

It is estimated that as many as 75 percent of the reproductive-age population has been infected with one or more types of genital HPV and up to 5.5 million new infections occur each year.

HPV is not a big deal. You probably have it if you've raw dogged more than a few ladies.

Nothing beats finishing inside a young 20 year old, so until they invite something that feels like the real thing, I'll keep raw dogging. (I dont finish inside 3rd world girls unless have the MAP right in stock).

Quote: (05-17-2018 03:20 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

Quote: (05-17-2018 11:00 AM)AceP Wrote:  

I'd like to add that you should be extra -careful in less developed countries. Couple years ago during my college years in the states I've banged chicks, mostly those North Asians International students (chinese, hongkong, japanese sort) rawdogged all of them and thank god I am still clean. Just when I and a close friend of mine think it can't be too bad, went to south east Asia and banged a college chick (only once, mind you) there- bam, he told me started having warts and diagnosed with HPV. So I assume the international students at least can take care of themselves better than those in less developed countries.

It is estimated that as many as 75 percent of the reproductive-age population has been infected with one or more types of genital HPV and up to 5.5 million new infections occur each year.

HPV is not a big deal. You probably have it if you've raw dogged more than a few ladies.

Nothing beats finishing inside a young 20 year old, so until they invite something that feels like the real thing, I'll keep raw dogging. (I dont finish inside 3rd world girls unless have the MAP right in stock).

You actually finish inside, as in a creampie? Were they on pills or are you just fine with making random women pregnant?

Ah I thought you'd caught it while in the LTR Eugenics. That was why I was asking - thats the nightmare scenario that would be hard to explain. Being able to blame it on pre-relationship activities is a bit easier alright.