Quote: (04-13-2018 01:59 PM)monsquid Wrote:  

Keep it up bro. It's very hard but it helped me a lot back in 2010-2012 when I was pushing myself the most in terms of game and self improvement. The thing is very few guys, even those who are good looking and do well social circle wise, have the balls to go out solo. It's a different mindset.

These are some of the things I learned from my solo excursions:

• Nobody gives a shit about you. Meaning that everyone is concerned with themselves. Nobody cares that you are out alone or whatever. Most people are pre-occupied with their own situation/insecurities. And we already know this from going out with friends, especially if you are drinking.
• You learn to deal with rejection. I used to get rejected right away by saying ridiculous things to throwaway sets to jump start my system. I learned this trick from an old PUA video, basically if you are going out solo you go up to a group of women and say the most awkward shit and get immediately rejected. The point is not to win them over, although over time it becomes an opener in itself. But I used to go up to a set and say "Hi I'm trying to be as awkward as possible..." and then say random shit. I know it's stupid but it works. After the first blowout you feel exchilerated and most importantly you realize none of this shit matters. Eventually I would use the "awkward" opener and get sets to stick. They would be curious and then I transition to normal humor, but that was just from doing it many times and not feeling anxious about it.
• Going out solo is hard but there's a lot to learn about yourself. Don't drink too much, none at all if you can help it. Worst thing you can do is go out solo and end up wasted and frustrated because you didn't go anywhere. It's happened to me before, but now I know to keep sober and if I get no hits on a solo night out I go back home sober and get rest to live and fight for another day.
  

It's not easy indeed but i'm already getting used to it.
I usually drink a little bit to get in the mood.
I am gonna go out later tonight again and think of the points you mentioned. Thanks!

Quote: (04-13-2018 07:39 AM)Ramses Wrote:  

I agree with that. But when i google for openers I feel like most of them are really retarded stupid.

A lot of openers sound stupid when read online and in text. Take them as an idea, a rough guideline, and then tailor it to yourself with your own delivery.

The openers I use are always a commentary on the current environment. Is there something currently happening that's of interest?

"You look like you could use a few more drinks"
"This bar's a lot busier than I thought it'd be. Is tonight a special night?"

Yeah i'll think about that!

These are good openers, i like these kind of openers

I feel like I only have the confidence to go out solo when I'm overseas and travelling alone. I can't seem to do it in my home country since it almost seems pointless as you have friends etc. But overseas I have had some of the best nights solo and you ending meeting really cool people sometimes (including girls obviously). Do you guys go out solo in your home countries?

Quote: (04-16-2018 07:05 AM)ausazn Wrote:  

I feel like I only have the confidence to go out solo when I'm overseas and travelling alone. I can't seem to do it in my home country since it almost seems pointless as you have friends etc. But overseas I have had some of the best nights solo and you ending meeting really cool people sometimes (including girls obviously). Do you guys go out solo in your home countries?

No, not sure why it would make a difference. Sounds like some mentality block.

Great to go out solo in your own city (if a big enough city) and use it as an opp to explore different parts of town.

Or go out in the same spots all the time and become a known guy, which is great social proof.

Once you have a venue "on lockdown", instead of thinking "shit now I can't cold approach in here", you actually can think "hey now I am like the mayor of this place, when a girl comes in here it's like she walked into my buddy's party house and I'm entitled to welcome her and say hey" and it works because it's congruent. You become like an ambassador for that bar. Of course also be friendly and welcoming to others sitting near you as well. Congruence.

(Of course if you go this latter route, you should already have your flirting/banter/etc. down. Don't use this to practice flirting. Use this once you already can game a bit and just need good dealflow.)

((If you're very new and may strike out more awkwardly, and want to go out solo in your city, just go to areas you don't normally travel to. Or short-circuit your travel-comfort and go to a city an hour away.))

Ramses, kudos to you for going out solo and for making a report. It got a bit messed up with the place holders, but no harm done.

I had a quick skim through your post and I think I got the gist of what your'e doing/trying to do.

Flying solo is great! I've had as many successes doing this as I have when I was out with mates, old flames, other social groups that could provide 'proof' for me.

Being solo doesn't always mean being that 'billy no mates' sulking in the corner or that weirdo that just doesn't fit in. In the right environment and with the right attitude you become the 'lone wolf', the 'enigmatic, strong, silent type' that has a bit of mystery to him. You'll be silent because you don't really have anyone to talk to obviously.

You can't go out solo with a chip on your shoulder. You can't go out solo if you are just going to get fucking bladdered and make a twat of yourself. Although, the latter is possible, it's not advisable! (more on this later)

Also you mention Brussels. One of my favourite places in the world. I have a rough idea of the bars and restaurants there. It's a very under-rated city but you need friends to enjoy it. I shudder at thinking of doing a place like that solo. I admire your fortitude.

My solo efforts have been mainly in my home-town because I know it very well and I have links and stories to tell once I get an in. This makes me the interesting boy that moved away but made good and came back for a fun night out. Not a bad 'persona' to have. It's all about the persona!

The rest of my solo efforts have been mainly London as I lived there for many years. London can be brutal. But it can also be the best place in the world to fly solo when you know what you're doing. I've written about a few of my experiences here and also at Return of Kings under the comments section, and I've got pretty good feedback. I'm not a natural gamer. Quite the opposite in fact. So these words I share are just my particular perspective. You should be able to get something out of it though.

Are we talking about 'gaming' or are we talking about 'going out and meeting new and interesting people' or are we talking about 'my balls are blue and I need a release tonight'? Don't confuse point one with point three. Gaming is not going out to get laid, as I define it.

Gaming is when you will be going out to build up your social capital. Yes, you will be approaching, but lightly. You will have an attitude of quiet confidence and abundance mentality. Take it or leave it kind of thing.

Getting laid because you're horny needs no description - we've all been there. Just don't confuse the two. Game is the long game. Getting laid you might have to make a twat of yourself and sometimes getting drunk and being an ass doesn't hurt in these cases. Again, not advised though.

Going out and meeting interesting people is where you will be your most natural self. You will have admitted defeat. Today is not mine, but tomorrow might be. I got nothing to lose and nothing to prove. I ain't gonna take any shit from anyone, and if I don't like people or get a bad vibe I'll move on to a space where I can find these people. It's a not so subtle difference.

Every single time you fly solo, or at least when I've flown solo, I have had the major mindset of one of these attitudes. Always adjust your attitude when flying solo, if you catch my drift!

Now, take in to account your environment. Are we talking Brussels here or London? Or perhaps my small home town in the UK where I got massive success flying solo. Ok, sometimes with a wingman I will admit, but at other times with just a stooge. When you go in for the kill, a good wingman won't mind you taking off solo, and a stooge won't know the difference. By 'stooge' I mean some guy you might have just met at the bar that is flying solo as well, but after a half hour of conversation it's obvious he will hold you back. He still provides social capital though, so play along while you can.

Sometimes being in a place like Brussels where English, French, Dutch, German and other languages are spoke is an advantage. Most people speak English. Sometimes not speaking the language makes you rely on body language, and this can save you time fucking about with people's hidden intentions. Body language doesn't lie. Do you like me? Are you happy to hang around with me for a few more hours? Do you wanna go grab 'em by the pussy with me? I've met some excellent wingmen like this flying solo. I've never spoken to them again in my life. Sometimes they got laid, sometimes I did. No matter. They were marriages made in heaven. Spur of the moment. You can't game for that.

Flying solo means flying by the seat of your pants. Being agile. So don't get drunk, don't get bogged down in pitiful emotions if you are feeling lonely. And let's be honest sometimes we do go out when feeling lonely. Sometimes it's not about the 'ride' it's about the warm embrace, the deep, heady drinking in of her subtle yet powerful perfume.

So, we need to define parameters.

I would say that Brussels would be quite a hard place to go out and just get laid. It's probably quite good for gaming though and just meeting new friends. People like to drink there. They are also very easy going. Avoid the piss-head expats - there are enough bars where interesting people hang out. I'm sorry I can't help you more here. Maybe I will think of something, or perhaps you can find something useful in my other words.

London!

Flying solo here is a dream! A lion can making a killing almost every night and need never be hungry again. But he has to know his terrain. There are certain places you don't go. If you are a broken motherfucker like me with no money and just his good looks and charm to carry him, well don't hang out in the City where the big bully boy stockbrokers will break you down and the Women will not take you seriously because you aren't seriously strapping cash. I know, I tried it. It was fucking humiliating. Two attempts was enough to say never again.

But that isn't to say you can't go to the places around the City when they like to venture out and walk on the wild-side and get a bit of rough or just slum it with the authentic natives. London Bridge - where that attack took place not so long back - is a great place. Well to do and classy people, foreigners, and locals that keep it grounded. Perfect!

Just one example. If you are in to the club scene, then clubs can be good too. Mostly a waste of time due to bitches being off their head and no one being able to hear a word you say. Use Peacock game here if you have the balls! The men are all 'loved up' and 'right on' so will turn a blind eye to your blatant attempts at game.

Hell, even if you end up chatting up one of their women you probably won't get a punch in they eye! I once had an ex-football hooligan off his head on E, demand that I kiss his girlfriend, who was also 'loved up'. Would have been rude not to. I don't usually like being an exhibitionist as I'm an introvert at heart. But that gave a few people a 'buzz'. I didn't get laid obviously. But then again, I didn't get my head kicked in either. Happy days!

Even clubs in the West-End where women go on their very last night out in London can be good. Ridiculously expensive. Full of cliques which you don't belong to and NO they don't want YOU to be their new best friend! But you might just catch the biggest fish of your life here. I know I have. Massive, no Mahooosive failure rates here. But rich pickings for the Lion with the right attitude, flying at the right altitude. As always, as pilots we check both attitude and altitude.

You need to be confident. But not overbearingly so. You need to be well dressed, sometimes Peacocking, other times just quietly tasteful. You need to be in shape and you need to smell good. Never forget this. And you need to make sure that you smell good all through the night! A small deodorant that fits in your 'hand-luggage' is highly advisable. Even if it is discovered (best not) you can always give a shy smile and say 'oh sorry, I had a hard time at the gym today and I was worried I might carry that through, so I brought this just in case'. You will get extra points from any half-decent woman for being a thoughtful man and a man that considers those around him.

There is nothing you can't roll with when you are flying solo! You only have yourself to rely on. You don't want to get in to any fights. Because you only need to bump in to the wrong thug who will then proceed to beat you all the way to hospital (helped on with his 3 mates) and it won't be good.

You need to look for eye contact. Whilst still not looking for eye contact.

You need to walk in to that bar as if you are the cock-of-the-walk without seeming as if you think you are that.

You need a few quid in your pocket for sundries and emergencies. But even then, I've done this bum-broke and come good. Starving artist that I am/was.

It really helps to be part of a crowd and if you appear to be the popular Alpha guy in that crowd, then you are set. The only thing better than that is having a six-foot blonde blue-eyed big-titted long-legged bitch of a German girlfriend next to you! Now, that gets results. Just about every woman in the room will want to fuck you. But of course this is not realistic. Just a little reminder about the 'game' here.

Gatecrashing drunk parties is also a good one! Everyone so off their head they think you are their mate's best mate they never met. And now you are their best mate. But you need to time this perfectly - just enough so everyone is drunk and you can get away with it - and before the party ends because everyone goes home. I've got some great results with this. Being pissed is not a disadvantage here. Drunk people can sense when other people are sober. Drunk people like to be around other drunks. Be as drunk as you can handle without being a twat.

There's nothing like a totally pissed up tart just coming up to you and hitting on YOU because she's balls drunk and wants to get fucked. You'll know when this happens. It's blatant. She'll offer to buy you a drink and hell, she'll even pay for the taxi back to hers when you tell her you're a no good sonofabitch broken bum who just spent his last pennies on a half of lager! PATHETIC. They will want to fuck you more after all those unsuccessful suitors all night. She's better than that. She was waiting for YOU. They just pumped the tires up, but it's you that will be riding the bike home!

Who said there isn't such a thing as a free ride!

So that is London game, very quickly.

What about 'home' game?

I don't want to dox myself, but let's just say I come from a University Town. This is Gold. Obviously you can't play this game at my age now I'm knocking on, but it doesn't hurt to be a few years older than the college gals. If you are the same age or even younger this would all apply.

I was with a wingman most nights I played this game, but no matter, I could just as easily have been flying solo. You know when you walk in to a bar, confidence, looking good, smelling good, down to earth, charisma... and you are getting eye-fucked from the moment you walk in the door. The fact you will be a good listener and fairly intelligent (intellectually and emotionally) will only go in your favour later on.

Ok, time out.

This isn't possible for everyone I know. You know what, I'm not that good looking, I'm not that tall, I'm not that clever, I've not got such a great body, and I'm actually a bit of a prick sometimes. But you need to work with the whole. You need to put the work in and do the work to find your inner self, your inner charm. To your own self be true. And if you can do that you won't be living a lie and the people you come in to contact with will appreciate and respect you.

Eat well, work out, get a trim figure. Build up your T levels without becoming a 'roided out chump. And be kind. Think nice thoughts. Practice 'Metta'. Because it will show on your face. Yeah, women do like Alpha thugs no doubt, but they do still like nice-looking, nice-smelling, in-shape guys that can make them laugh. AWALT. This is deep game I'm spitting here.

Whether they will still love you in the morning? Well, probably not. Whether they will still love you after 4 years of a LTR? Probably not. Whether they will still love you after 40 years of marriage? Mmmm..

Keep in mind, that no matter how humble you are (whilst still maintaining your quiet confidence) there will be men there with T through the roof and they won't like the cut of your gib and they won't mind putting a glass in your face to permanently fuck you up for life all the while being quite happy to go to prison over it. Happened to me.

Situational awareness. All the while, while flying solo. You have no wingman. You'll probably be in a strange place with strange people - like Brussels which is a melting pot anyway - but the pubs etc. are something else again.

But don't discard solo day game! Trams/trains/tubes! I had it down to a fine art. I couldn't always get laid when I wanted to, but I could usually go out in the morning and have a girl to go for a drink with if not that evening or the next day, then later that week. And even if I didn't fancy her, she was capital for me, and I got the benefit of a nice friend for a while. It never lasts long because men and women can't really be friends I know. But for a while, it's nice. It's social game. Nothing wrong with that. I'd get postcards from beauties in Amsterdam and Barcelona six months later when they went home, remembering me. Of course they stopped. Such is life.

I've got no game. I'm terrible at it. But I have natural game. I can be a chump. It helps to love women. To really love women, their faults and all. Remember, they can sense this!

But I have learned a bit of game too. Many such insights on this forum. Happy!

Game shouldn't be hard. If you aren't getting eye-fucked after five minutes of walking in to the joint, you are on the back foot. I've been there more than most. I know what it's like.

I've had women come up to me and spill their drinks over me just to get attention. I've had them ask me for a light for their cigarette only for me to tell them 'I don't smoke' and for them to pull a lighter out of their bag and give it that turn of the head 'oh-well' kind of smirk that says 'busted'. I've had them actually pick up chairs and tables and re-arrange the fucking furniture all because they wanted to sit next to me when I turned a blind eye to them eyeballing me.

I've sat at a table of three friends virtually on the edge of a cat-fight as they all present their best side to me, as if I was interviewing the fuckers! "I want you, no, I want you, wait a minute, you're cute too" Total fucking dick behaviour. Totally lapped up by women in their prime. Beautiful girls. When I was in my prime as well.

Not great looking, not got much game, hardly ever had any money.

Choose your battles well.

Flying solo isn't for everyone. And it's not for every environment or situation. You need to work out when it's viable.

Brussels, London, Home Town? They all provide their unique opportunities and strategies.

I'm getting on a bit now. But I don't find older women attractive. I want a nubile young thing. I feel confident enough to get that. Even with my good looks starting to fade, me being more broke than ever, and trying to hold on to what semblance of faith I have left in humanity as a whole.

I'd love nothing more to hook up in Brussels or London or my Home Town and keep my hand in. Help a brother out. Shits and giggles.

I'm happy to play wingman.

The game is more than the player of the game!


Ramses, sorry if I hi-jacked your thread. Brussels holds a very dear place in my heart. And flying solo has been one of my favourite hobbies for a while! It has its major downsides and pitfalls compared to other methods, but if nothing else, it's character building. Build yourself up as a man.

Fuck bitches! And bitches will want to fuck you!

But at your very core, you will need to be a man that loves women. Do not even attempt this shit if you don't. You won't have any success. And no one of us here needs to hear about another bitter whiner that never put the 'work' in.

Doesn't matter who you are. Black/White, Tall/Short, Clever/Dumb, whatever, there's a game for you.

Out once coming home on the tube with my Amazon Austrian girlfriend. We spotted a couple totally loved up (not on drugs, just a bit drunk) and they were kissing and cuddling and canoodling and laughing and getting all 'saucey'. It was obvious they were both about to fuck each other's brains out when they got home. There was genuine warmth and affection between them. They obviously hadn't known each other that long. They were both very short, say 5 feet or so, and not very good looking. They weren't from the higher classes or well-bred or high-born. We watched them the whole journey home, the perverts that we were, just them and us on the carriage.

There is game for everyone. Game doesn't just save lives. It builds relationships. It builds social cohesion.


Let us know how you are getting on. Brussels will have changed a lot since the last time I was there. I hope your efforts have borne some fruit!

If you really need a helping hand, I'd be happy to hop over and we can start off in Flagey and move on from there. I'll get you laid bro' I promise you that!

Me? Just the quiet guy in the corner that doesn't need anyone or anything. Down to his last change. Truly not giving a fuck about anyone or anything. But cherishing all life, and appreciating those around him that want to spend some time...

Sweet! Today it’s actually exactly 4 years on the day when I decided to roll out solo for my first time ever. Don’t want to make this thread about me but I have passion for this topic about going solo and I just want to say that those hours were the biggest event of my life in the way how they made a profound change in me.

So it makes me glad that you will probably experience a similair journey because I think it takes a special character to roll out alone.

After a few years of bullying and growing up and lots of other shit in my luggage I had moved to a new city where I knew no one. I made a firm decision that I wasnt goong to have a single thought about anyone else’s opinion about me for those hours and I managed to get 4 make outs with some seriously hot girls and which was more than I had ever had in a night. It made me realize that confidence and stuff is something real and a lot more is possible in life than you think but we just have these bullshit thoughts that limits us in life and not too long after that I was able to sleep with girls from going solo which I almost thought wasnt even possible before.

I would force myself to do super-ballsy approaches where some very hot girls would be sitting at a table with other girls and guys and I would approach the whole group and get all the attention and later admitting that I was just there to grab the number of one of the girls and surprsingly shit like that worked more times than it didnt.

Through my whole life I had been stuck in a horrible prison where I couldnt stop thinking about other peoples opinions of me and killing that was pure freedom.

So if it’s something I think you should try embrace it is really that freedom.
Who cares if it gets a bit awkward or shit because they don’t understand you at first. Forget about focusens on operera. Just roll with whatever shit that comes up in your mind and live in YOUR reality.

Instead of asking here about different approaches - I’d say focus on the quantity, do shitloads of more approaches where you try everything under the sun. And test how straight forward and caveman you can be and get away with stuff (without being something super-innapppropriate obviously).

All those rejections will develop character, you’ll learn a ton about game by doing so and you’ll most probably have a few nice girl who will be interested in taking things further.

So experiment, be brave and ballsy and enjoy the freedom, because no one else than you is going to have those funny memories about you doing crazy ballzy stuff and occasionally making a complete fool out of yourself (but its fine to do that too).

It can be life changing if you decide to make it so.

I'll add my anecdotes to Salvadore's and Monsquid's great thoughts. Most of my best gaming was actually out solo, and as they said its all about mindset and getting out of your irrational mental prison. Its easier said than done, but here are some helpful mindset tips.

Mental home base: you shouldnt, but if you feel the irrational awkward anxiety that the whole bar is thinking "look at that loner what is he doing here" (they arenet. nobody cares) then you can always walk slowly around bar, pretend to text or call, get in line to get a drink while not really trying to but in, or even find a group and stand close enough that it might look like you are with them, but far enough and with attention elsewhere that the group doesnt notice you. if bar has a tv, stare at it. I also have used the excuse "well i was here with a friend but now he and his girlfriend are fighting so he left and I dont want to go home yet"

if you are in a city thats not your own, you have no excuse to feel awkward. you are traveling alone for work or for pleasure. women love it. "who are you here with?" --> "nobody! im on travel alone..have you ever travelled alone, its the best. dont answer to anyone and meet lots of cool people" --> proceed to compliment their city and 100 topics will surface.
if in your own city, the challenge is getting out of mental prison.

as for the actual approach, you must read the defense like a quarterback (way too many variables for one approach), but you'll need Don Draper confidence and sense of belonging.
the hottest girl i ever banged, and some of my most ridiculous bang stories were all from being out solo.

Quote: (04-16-2018 08:09 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

Ramses, kudos to you for going out solo and for making a report. It got a bit messed up with the place holders, but no harm done.

I had a quick skim through your post and I think I got the gist of what your'e doing/trying to do.

Flying solo is great! I've had as many successes doing this as I have when I was out with mates, old flames, other social groups that could provide 'proof' for me.

Being solo doesn't always mean being that 'billy no mates' sulking in the corner or that weirdo that just doesn't fit in. In the right environment and with the right attitude you become the 'lone wolf', the 'enigmatic, strong, silent type' that has a bit of mystery to him. You'll be silent because you don't really have anyone to talk to obviously.

You can't go out solo with a chip on your shoulder. You can't go out solo if you are just going to get fucking bladdered and make a twat of yourself. Although, the latter is possible, it's not advisable! (more on this later)

Also you mention Brussels. One of my favourite places in the world. I have a rough idea of the bars and restaurants there. It's a very under-rated city but you need friends to enjoy it. I shudder at thinking of doing a place like that solo. I admire your fortitude.

My solo efforts have been mainly in my home-town because I know it very well and I have links and stories to tell once I get an in. This makes me the interesting boy that moved away but made good and came back for a fun night out. Not a bad 'persona' to have. It's all about the persona!

The rest of my solo efforts have been mainly London as I lived there for many years. London can be brutal. But it can also be the best place in the world to fly solo when you know what you're doing. I've written about a few of my experiences here and also at Return of Kings under the comments section, and I've got pretty good feedback. I'm not a natural gamer. Quite the opposite in fact. So these words I share are just my particular perspective. You should be able to get something out of it though.

Are we talking about 'gaming' or are we talking about 'going out and meeting new and interesting people' or are we talking about 'my balls are blue and I need a release tonight'? Don't confuse point one with point three. Gaming is not going out to get laid, as I define it.

Gaming is when you will be going out to build up your social capital. Yes, you will be approaching, but lightly. You will have an attitude of quiet confidence and abundance mentality. Take it or leave it kind of thing.

Getting laid because you're horny needs no description - we've all been there. Just don't confuse the two. Game is the long game. Getting laid you might have to make a twat of yourself and sometimes getting drunk and being an ass doesn't hurt in these cases. Again, not advised though.

Going out and meeting interesting people is where you will be your most natural self. You will have admitted defeat. Today is not mine, but tomorrow might be. I got nothing to lose and nothing to prove. I ain't gonna take any shit from anyone, and if I don't like people or get a bad vibe I'll move on to a space where I can find these people. It's a not so subtle difference.

Every single time you fly solo, or at least when I've flown solo, I have had the major mindset of one of these attitudes. Always adjust your attitude when flying solo, if you catch my drift!

Now, take in to account your environment. Are we talking Brussels here or London? Or perhaps my small home town in the UK where I got massive success flying solo. Ok, sometimes with a wingman I will admit, but at other times with just a stooge. When you go in for the kill, a good wingman won't mind you taking off solo, and a stooge won't know the difference. By 'stooge' I mean some guy you might have just met at the bar that is flying solo as well, but after a half hour of conversation it's obvious he will hold you back. He still provides social capital though, so play along while you can.

Sometimes being in a place like Brussels where English, French, Dutch, German and other languages are spoke is an advantage. Most people speak English. Sometimes not speaking the language makes you rely on body language, and this can save you time fucking about with people's hidden intentions. Body language doesn't lie. Do you like me? Are you happy to hang around with me for a few more hours? Do you wanna go grab 'em by the pussy with me? I've met some excellent wingmen like this flying solo. I've never spoken to them again in my life. Sometimes they got laid, sometimes I did. No matter. They were marriages made in heaven. Spur of the moment. You can't game for that.

Flying solo means flying by the seat of your pants. Being agile. So don't get drunk, don't get bogged down in pitiful emotions if you are feeling lonely. And let's be honest sometimes we do go out when feeling lonely. Sometimes it's not about the 'ride' it's about the warm embrace, the deep, heady drinking in of her subtle yet powerful perfume.

So, we need to define parameters.

I would say that Brussels would be quite a hard place to go out and just get laid. It's probably quite good for gaming though and just meeting new friends. People like to drink there. They are also very easy going. Avoid the piss-head expats - there are enough bars where interesting people hang out. I'm sorry I can't help you more here. Maybe I will think of something, or perhaps you can find something useful in my other words.

London!

Flying solo here is a dream! A lion can making a killing almost every night and need never be hungry again. But he has to know his terrain. There are certain places you don't go. If you are a broken motherfucker like me with no money and just his good looks and charm to carry him, well don't hang out in the City where the big bully boy stockbrokers will break you down and the Women will not take you seriously because you aren't seriously strapping cash. I know, I tried it. It was fucking humiliating. Two attempts was enough to say never again.

But that isn't to say you can't go to the places around the City when they like to venture out and walk on the wild-side and get a bit of rough or just slum it with the authentic natives. London Bridge - where that attack took place not so long back - is a great place. Well to do and classy people, foreigners, and locals that keep it grounded. Perfect!

Just one example. If you are in to the club scene, then clubs can be good too. Mostly a waste of time due to bitches being off their head and no one being able to hear a word you say. Use Peacock game here if you have the balls! The men are all 'loved up' and 'right on' so will turn a blind eye to your blatant attempts at game.

Hell, even if you end up chatting up one of their women you probably won't get a punch in they eye! I once had an ex-football hooligan off his head on E, demand that I kiss his girlfriend, who was also 'loved up'. Would have been rude not to. I don't usually like being an exhibitionist as I'm an introvert at heart. But that gave a few people a 'buzz'. I didn't get laid obviously. But then again, I didn't get my head kicked in either. Happy days!

Even clubs in the West-End where women go on their very last night out in London can be good. Ridiculously expensive. Full of cliques which you don't belong to and NO they don't want YOU to be their new best friend! But you might just catch the biggest fish of your life here. I know I have. Massive, no Mahooosive failure rates here. But rich pickings for the Lion with the right attitude, flying at the right altitude. As always, as pilots we check both attitude and altitude.

You need to be confident. But not overbearingly so. You need to be well dressed, sometimes Peacocking, other times just quietly tasteful. You need to be in shape and you need to smell good. Never forget this. And you need to make sure that you smell good all through the night! A small deodorant that fits in your 'hand-luggage' is highly advisable. Even if it is discovered (best not) you can always give a shy smile and say 'oh sorry, I had a hard time at the gym today and I was worried I might carry that through, so I brought this just in case'. You will get extra points from any half-decent woman for being a thoughtful man and a man that considers those around him.

There is nothing you can't roll with when you are flying solo! You only have yourself to rely on. You don't want to get in to any fights. Because you only need to bump in to the wrong thug who will then proceed to beat you all the way to hospital (helped on with his 3 mates) and it won't be good.

You need to look for eye contact. Whilst still not looking for eye contact.

You need to walk in to that bar as if you are the cock-of-the-walk without seeming as if you think you are that.

You need a few quid in your pocket for sundries and emergencies. But even then, I've done this bum-broke and come good. Starving artist that I am/was.

It really helps to be part of a crowd and if you appear to be the popular Alpha guy in that crowd, then you are set. The only thing better than that is having a six-foot blonde blue-eyed big-titted long-legged bitch of a German girlfriend next to you! Now, that gets results. Just about every woman in the room will want to fuck you. But of course this is not realistic. Just a little reminder about the 'game' here.

Gatecrashing drunk parties is also a good one! Everyone so off their head they think you are their mate's best mate they never met. And now you are their best mate. But you need to time this perfectly - just enough so everyone is drunk and you can get away with it - and before the party ends because everyone goes home. I've got some great results with this. Being pissed is not a disadvantage here. Drunk people can sense when other people are sober. Drunk people like to be around other drunks. Be as drunk as you can handle without being a twat.

There's nothing like a totally pissed up tart just coming up to you and hitting on YOU because she's balls drunk and wants to get fucked. You'll know when this happens. It's blatant. She'll offer to buy you a drink and hell, she'll even pay for the taxi back to hers when you tell her you're a no good sonofabitch broken bum who just spent his last pennies on a half of lager! PATHETIC. They will want to fuck you more after all those unsuccessful suitors all night. She's better than that. She was waiting for YOU. They just pumped the tires up, but it's you that will be riding the bike home!

Who said there isn't such a thing as a free ride!

So that is London game, very quickly.

What about 'home' game?

I don't want to dox myself, but let's just say I come from a University Town. This is Gold. Obviously you can't play this game at my age now I'm knocking on, but it doesn't hurt to be a few years older than the college gals. If you are the same age or even younger this would all apply.

I was with a wingman most nights I played this game, but no matter, I could just as easily have been flying solo. You know when you walk in to a bar, confidence, looking good, smelling good, down to earth, charisma... and you are getting eye-fucked from the moment you walk in the door. The fact you will be a good listener and fairly intelligent (intellectually and emotionally) will only go in your favour later on.

Ok, time out.

This isn't possible for everyone I know. You know what, I'm not that good looking, I'm not that tall, I'm not that clever, I've not got such a great body, and I'm actually a bit of a prick sometimes. But you need to work with the whole. You need to put the work in and do the work to find your inner self, your inner charm. To your own self be true. And if you can do that you won't be living a lie and the people you come in to contact with will appreciate and respect you.

Eat well, work out, get a trim figure. Build up your T levels without becoming a 'roided out chump. And be kind. Think nice thoughts. Practice 'Metta'. Because it will show on your face. Yeah, women do like Alpha thugs no doubt, but they do still like nice-looking, nice-smelling, in-shape guys that can make them laugh. AWALT. This is deep game I'm spitting here.

Whether they will still love you in the morning? Well, probably not. Whether they will still love you after 4 years of a LTR? Probably not. Whether they will still love you after 40 years of marriage? Mmmm..

Keep in mind, that no matter how humble you are (whilst still maintaining your quiet confidence) there will be men there with T through the roof and they won't like the cut of your gib and they won't mind putting a glass in your face to permanently fuck you up for life all the while being quite happy to go to prison over it. Happened to me.

Situational awareness. All the while, while flying solo. You have no wingman. You'll probably be in a strange place with strange people - like Brussels which is a melting pot anyway - but the pubs etc. are something else again.

But don't discard solo day game! Trams/trains/tubes! I had it down to a fine art. I couldn't always get laid when I wanted to, but I could usually go out in the morning and have a girl to go for a drink with if not that evening or the next day, then later that week. And even if I didn't fancy her, she was capital for me, and I got the benefit of a nice friend for a while. It never lasts long because men and women can't really be friends I know. But for a while, it's nice. It's social game. Nothing wrong with that. I'd get postcards from beauties in Amsterdam and Barcelona six months later when they went home, remembering me. Of course they stopped. Such is life.

I've got no game. I'm terrible at it. But I have natural game. I can be a chump. It helps to love women. To really love women, their faults and all. Remember, they can sense this!

But I have learned a bit of game too. Many such insights on this forum. Happy!

Game shouldn't be hard. If you aren't getting eye-fucked after five minutes of walking in to the joint, you are on the back foot. I've been there more than most. I know what it's like.

I've had women come up to me and spill their drinks over me just to get attention. I've had them ask me for a light for their cigarette only for me to tell them 'I don't smoke' and for them to pull a lighter out of their bag and give it that turn of the head 'oh-well' kind of smirk that says 'busted'. I've had them actually pick up chairs and tables and re-arrange the fucking furniture all because they wanted to sit next to me when I turned a blind eye to them eyeballing me.

I've sat at a table of three friends virtually on the edge of a cat-fight as they all present their best side to me, as if I was interviewing the fuckers! "I want you, no, I want you, wait a minute, you're cute too" Total fucking dick behaviour. Totally lapped up by women in their prime. Beautiful girls. When I was in my prime as well.

Not great looking, not got much game, hardly ever had any money.

Choose your battles well.

Flying solo isn't for everyone. And it's not for every environment or situation. You need to work out when it's viable.

Brussels, London, Home Town? They all provide their unique opportunities and strategies.

I'm getting on a bit now. But I don't find older women attractive. I want a nubile young thing. I feel confident enough to get that. Even with my good looks starting to fade, me being more broke than ever, and trying to hold on to what semblance of faith I have left in humanity as a whole.

I'd love nothing more to hook up in Brussels or London or my Home Town and keep my hand in. Help a brother out. Shits and giggles.

I'm happy to play wingman.

The game is more than the player of the game!


Ramses, sorry if I hi-jacked your thread. Brussels holds a very dear place in my heart. And flying solo has been one of my favourite hobbies for a while! It has its major downsides and pitfalls compared to other methods, but if nothing else, it's character building. Build yourself up as a man.

Fuck bitches! And bitches will want to fuck you!

But at your very core, you will need to be a man that loves women. Do not even attempt this shit if you don't. You won't have any success. And no one of us here needs to hear about another bitter whiner that never put the 'work' in.

Doesn't matter who you are. Black/White, Tall/Short, Clever/Dumb, whatever, there's a game for you.

Out once coming home on the tube with my Amazon Austrian girlfriend. We spotted a couple totally loved up (not on drugs, just a bit drunk) and they were kissing and cuddling and canoodling and laughing and getting all 'saucey'. It was obvious they were both about to fuck each other's brains out when they got home. There was genuine warmth and affection between them. They obviously hadn't known each other that long. They were both very short, say 5 feet or so, and not very good looking. They weren't from the higher classes or well-bred or high-born. We watched them the whole journey home, the perverts that we were, just them and us on the carriage.

There is game for everyone. Game doesn't just save lives. It builds relationships. It builds social cohesion.


Let us know how you are getting on. Brussels will have changed a lot since the last time I was there. I hope your efforts have borne some fruit!

If you really need a helping hand, I'd be happy to hop over and we can start off in Flagey and move on from there. I'll get you laid bro' I promise you that!

Me? Just the quiet guy in the corner that doesn't need anyone or anything. Down to his last change. Truly not giving a fuck about anyone or anything. But cherishing all life, and appreciating those around him that want to spend some time...

Thanks for the reply! Yeah Brussels is not the easiest city but i will do my best to conquer it!

Sorry for the placeholders, didnt know that you couldnt change them after one hour only.

Gonna go solo tonight, see what it brings!

Cheers!

Quote: (04-16-2018 08:54 PM)Salvadore Wrote:  

Sweet! Today it’s actually exactly 4 years on the day when I decided to roll out solo for my first time ever. Don’t want to make this thread about me but I have passion for this topic about going solo and I just want to say that those hours were the biggest event of my life in the way how they made a profound change in me.

So it makes me glad that you will probably experience a similair journey because I think it takes a special character to roll out alone.

After a few years of bullying and growing up and lots of other shit in my luggage I had moved to a new city where I knew no one. I made a firm decision that I wasnt goong to have a single thought about anyone else’s opinion about me for those hours and I managed to get 4 make outs with some seriously hot girls and which was more than I had ever had in a night. It made me realize that confidence and stuff is something real and a lot more is possible in life than you think but we just have these bullshit thoughts that limits us in life and not too long after that I was able to sleep with girls from going solo which I almost thought wasnt even possible before.

I would force myself to do super-ballsy approaches where some very hot girls would be sitting at a table with other girls and guys and I would approach the whole group and get all the attention and later admitting that I was just there to grab the number of one of the girls and surprsingly shit like that worked more times than it didnt.

Through my whole life I had been stuck in a horrible prison where I couldnt stop thinking about other peoples opinions of me and killing that was pure freedom.

So if it’s something I think you should try embrace it is really that freedom.
Who cares if it gets a bit awkward or shit because they don’t understand you at first. Forget about focusens on operera. Just roll with whatever shit that comes up in your mind and live in YOUR reality.

Instead of asking here about different approaches - I’d say focus on the quantity, do shitloads of more approaches where you try everything under the sun. And test how straight forward and caveman you can be and get away with stuff (without being something super-innapppropriate obviously).

All those rejections will develop character, you’ll learn a ton about game by doing so and you’ll most probably have a few nice girl who will be interested in taking things further.

So experiment, be brave and ballsy and enjoy the freedom, because no one else than you is going to have those funny memories about you doing crazy ballzy stuff and occasionally making a complete fool out of yourself (but its fine to do that too).

It can be life changing if you decide to make it so.

Yeah, i love going out solo now. I went with my shit friends this weekend, and they just cockblocked me, and took advantage of all my hard work!!

And i feel like i have to babysit them also..

Gonna hop in a cold shower and head out!

Quote: (04-17-2018 12:05 PM)allthebeats Wrote:  

I'll add my anecdotes to Salvadore's and Monsquid's great thoughts. Most of my best gaming was actually out solo, and as they said its all about mindset and getting out of your irrational mental prison. Its easier said than done, but here are some helpful mindset tips.

Mental home base: you shouldnt, but if you feel the irrational awkward anxiety that the whole bar is thinking "look at that loner what is he doing here" (they arenet. nobody cares) then you can always walk slowly around bar, pretend to text or call, get in line to get a drink while not really trying to but in, or even find a group and stand close enough that it might look like you are with them, but far enough and with attention elsewhere that the group doesnt notice you. if bar has a tv, stare at it. I also have used the excuse "well i was here with a friend but now he and his girlfriend are fighting so he left and I dont want to go home yet"

if you are in a city thats not your own, you have no excuse to feel awkward. you are traveling alone for work or for pleasure. women love it. "who are you here with?" --> "nobody! im on travel alone..have you ever travelled alone, its the best. dont answer to anyone and meet lots of cool people" --> proceed to compliment their city and 100 topics will surface.
if in your own city, the challenge is getting out of mental prison.

as for the actual approach, you must read the defense like a quarterback (way too many variables for one approach), but you'll need Don Draper confidence and sense of belonging.
the hottest girl i ever banged, and some of my most ridiculous bang stories were all from being out solo.

I can imagine that when you bang a girl from solo night out, it would be so satisfying!

I had Tinder before where you can almost order pussy for free. But that didnt give me any satisfaction at the end anymore.

I would much rather bang a girl from going out solo then ordering her on Tinder.

I'm exited to where this journey will bring me!

This is my second night of going out solo.
I'm not sure if I have to post this in the game section or the newbie section.

So I wrote a thread earlier about going out and working the next day. I got some good advice about going earlier and having enough sleep.

So i went out today (thuesday), i went to the centre of Brussels at around 9 pm.
I went to some bars but it was pretty dead. Everywhere I went there were ugly girls or nothing interesting.

Then i decided to go to Delirrium, it's a very popular tourist bar. It's very big and has allot of expats and tourists. I ordered a drink and searched for a nice place to sit/chill.
The bar is very big with multiple floors.

Eventually i saw 2 hot girls with a table next to them free. I sat down and drank my beer while watching the menu. I was pretty stressed for my first aproach of the night. I heard they spoke English with an American accent. Eventually i got my shit together and opened them with "Excuse me, what are you girls drinking?". Because in Belgium beer is huge and there are tons of different beers. So they were drinking a special beer and i thought that would be a good opener with allot of possibilities of continuing a conversation.

They were indeed American girls from California studying in Brussels. They responded well and we talked for a long time. The first hour I was jus talking to them getting comfortable and making them comfortable with me.

There were some people sitting next to me, and one of the girls asked me if they were my friends. I said something along the lines of "No i dont know them, i came out alone to have a drink tonight". I think they found that kind of weird but the fact that I owned it and was not ashamed made it not so weird.

Suddenly their friends arrived, 2 american dudes that they lived with. They were chill and I made friends with them so i would not get kicked out of the group.

I started to talk more with one of the girls who seemed to be interested in me. From my last solo night I learned that I had to be more physical and escalate more. So that what I did, I leaned more in, looked more in her eyes, and touched her more and more.

They were ordering allot of drinks and I had to keep up with them. I was getting pretty drunk and so were they.

After about 3 hours of this, I started to get very physical with one girl and I wanted to go for the kiss with her. But when I went for it she turned her cheek and kissed her cheek. Pretty lame but I didnt care so much. I kept doing my thing, making fun and being good company. I think i tried again but she didnt want to kiss.

Eventually they all got so drunk that they suddenly decided to leave as a group. I tried to follow them to ask for numbers or something to meet again. Because one of the girls was staying 2 more month. The girl I was trying with was only here for 2 days.

I told them that I could bring them home with my car. This way i could try the "Can I use your bathroom?" line from Roosh. But my girl said "In America we dont drink and drive". And they left.

It was now 1:30AM. I have to work tomorrow. So i called it a night and drove home.

I'm pretty dissapointed that i could not fuck that girl. But I'm pretty happy about what this weekday going out solo night tought me. Came pretty close I think.

It's now 2:00AM, tomorrow morning I have to get up to work.

Better luck next time i guess...

Great report...honest and authentic.

I just would not recommend anybody drive home after a night of drinking even if you feel "ok", to risky

My first thought is that you didn't isolate. Were you guys at the table the entire time? Escalating on a girl right in front of her friends rarely turns out well -- or at least its never worked for me...

Curious to hear what some of the vets have to say about this FR

Ramses, opinions may vary but here are a few things that I see:

1. You took action so cheers to you for that.
2. You basically used an indirect opener which is fine but in future approaches I would also experiment with direct approaches. Both ways have their merits but a direct approach can be better for screening women to gauge their interest in you.
3. You need to develop some way of filtering the girls you approach to know if they are really interested in you or you are simply a placeholder until something better occupies their time. You want to be screening out these tire kickers as they are taking time you could be talking to other girls that are more interested. For example, from what you wrote, it is hard to know if they were really investing in you in the conversation? So ultimately, you need to have some test of compliance to see if they are following your lead. You trying to close with a kiss was essentially a test of compliance. One thing you could have done is stroked her hair or put your hand on her face before going in for the kiss to see if she pushed your hand away. But really it would probably be wiser to try to isolate first unless you felt she wouldn't mind you going in for the kiss.
4. As another poster had said, I think you would have done better to do some type of isolation especially after the two other guys showed up. With them joining the group, she would have felt more comfortable leaving her friend who would then not be alone.
This isolation move is a test of compliance where you can say something like let's go dance, or let's go get a smoke, let's go get some air, or let me show you this thing at the bar or whatever. Basically just something to see if she will go along with you. Once she is away from her friends, you could then escalate for a kiss, ask for her number, etc. She is more inclined to respond positively as she is away of the perceived judgemental eyes of her group.
5. I would recommend first looking to approach women that are coming to the bar for drinks or who are drinking at the bar. I have found these women tend to be more open to being approached. I tend to go to tables as my second option and then other places in the bar after this. Roosh has a pretty good video at approaching women at the bar that is worth a watch.

Quote: (04-17-2018 07:18 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

Great report...honest and authentic.

I just would not recommend anybody drive home after a night of drinking even if you feel "ok", to risky

Yeah I live pretty closeby to the center (10 min drive). And I cannot go over 50kph anyway. So it's not very risky, except, if the cops pull me over!

Quote: (04-17-2018 07:34 PM)luckyfever Wrote:  

My first thought is that you didn't isolate. Were you guys at the table the entire time? Escalating on a girl right in front of her friends rarely turns out well -- or at least its never worked for me...

Curious to hear what some of the vets have to say about this FR

Yes we were sitting at a table the whole time. I was indeed escalating her in front of her friends.

At one point i was with my girl and her friend to the bar. Her friend was not cockblocking and looking away to leave us kind of alone. I should have gone for the kiss there, but I was too much of a pussy to do it.

That when we went back to the table, when the two guys were smoking a sigarette outside, I tried to go for the kiss. But didnt work out.

Next time I will try to isolate her more, Escalating in front of everybody might not be the best idea indeed...

Good field report, good effort.

What you did reminds me of my problem sometimes. That is, isolating. It's where the action happens. All else is just there to lead to that.

Anyway, keep it going!

Tonight I really didnt feel like going out and was kind of sick. But I decided to go anyway because tomorrow I dont work.

Went out at 10:30PM and looked around at the local cafés and pubs. It was packed with people, but everybody was in groups. I find it pretty hard to aproach in these circumstances. It's like trying to aproach people in a restaurant.

After that I took the bus to the city center. Did an aproach with a cute girl waiting for the bus. She took her bus 5 min after we started talking. Didnt had time to ask for her number.

On the bus i spoke with 2 girls for 30 seconds and they left the bus.
And after I spoke with some Romanian girls who were just responding to my questions. It felt quite weird after a while so I stopped talking to them.

Once in the city center I only saw ugly girls. Here in Brussels they dress in a hippie/skater/gothic style. I fucking hate that. No skirts or high heels to be seen anywhere. It's like boys with tits.

I also saw a ton of faggots. Which makes me as angry as seeing ugly girls.

At 00:15 I took the last metro home.

If you ever plan to come to Brussels, cancel immediately. It's a horrible place.
It's a Hellhole


Cant wait to leave this place and go to south/east europe.

Maybe i'm just being negative because i'm tired and sick. Maybe Brussels is just dead during the week. In the weekend the clubs open. I'll have a look at what happens there.

I know Delirium, it's a typical tourist bar, perfect for doing approaches and practicing game. If I were you I'd lock down 3-4 places and stick to them. When you're rolling solo it's not a very good idea to walk around aimlessly, it kills your momentum and makes you tired.

As long as the place is reasonably packed, people are not sitting down and the ratios are good, I would jump in and grab a drink. Don't worry if people are in groups, just relax and enjoy your drink next to the bar. Don't sit on your phone like an idiot ignoring everyone around you, instead show that you want to be approached and start a conversation. Eventually some people will split from their group to buy drinks and bump into you.

Quote: (04-18-2018 08:36 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

I know Delirium, it's a typical tourist bar, perfect for doing approaches and practicing game. If I were you I'd lock down 3-4 places and stick to them. When you're rolling solo it's not a very good idea to walk around aimlessly, it kills your momentum and makes you tired.

As long as the place is reasonably packed, people are not sitting down and the ratios are good, I would jump in and grab a drink. Don't worry if people are in groups, just relax and enjoy your drink next to the bar. Don't sit on your phone like an idiot ignoring everyone around you, instead show that you want to be approached and start a conversation. Eventually some people will split from their group to buy drinks and bump into you.

One of the things I've always had the hardest time w/going out solo is standing around by myself. If I can find somewhere to sit I'm ok hanging at the bar, but for some reason when I'm standing around by myself I feel like a moron.

@ Ramses

I'm another local and it's indeed a shithole, that's why I left.

Here are some tips for gaming in Brussels:

- Hit up the black girls in Brussels and tourists ( local girls are shit), they will be DTF

- Focus more on online game ( Nightlife in Brussels and Belgium in general is very poor ROI)

- Go to bloody louis on a Friday or saturday ( this club was the best for pulling me in Brussels, a lot of black girls and white girls who are DTF)

- thread-66812...pid1722282 I already wrote it here how game in Belgium is. If you don't have an established social circle, it will be tough ( which I didn't have either).

Quote: (04-19-2018 09:18 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2018 08:36 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

I know Delirium, it's a typical tourist bar, perfect for doing approaches and practicing game. If I were you I'd lock down 3-4 places and stick to them. When you're rolling solo it's not a very good idea to walk around aimlessly, it kills your momentum and makes you tired.

As long as the place is reasonably packed, people are not sitting down and the ratios are good, I would jump in and grab a drink. Don't worry if people are in groups, just relax and enjoy your drink next to the bar. Don't sit on your phone like an idiot ignoring everyone around you, instead show that you want to be approached and start a conversation. Eventually some people will split from their group to buy drinks and bump into you.

One of the things I've always had the hardest time w/going out solo is standing around by myself. If I can find somewhere to sit I'm ok hanging at the bar, but for some reason when I'm standing around by myself I feel like a moron.

It's perfectly natural to feel that way. Excellent advice by Pointer btw!

As for feeling like the proverbial spare prick at the bar...

What that would tell me if I was getting that feeling would be:

+Shit I shouldn't have worn this bright pink satin shirt to this Goth bar!

+Here I am in another bikey pub and I don't even own a bike!

+What the hell am I doing in this gay bar?

Ok, I'm trying to be funny and probably not succeeding, but the greater point remains: Choose your environment very carefully. I think I mentioned this in my (sorry I know) long post.

Like anything in life you have to be the right thing at the right time.

Most bars where people just go to drink will make you feel awkward. No BS it will be impossible to make friends there or get laid. Forget it. Get drunk!

Then there are bars where people go to look cool and pose. If you don't have the requisite cool gear on and the right t-shirt, you'll look like a mug whatever you do.

I know guys that used to go out and dress like Goths to pull pussy in The Slimelight in London. And it worked. Some guys will do anything to nail a chick in a rubber dress and 9" kinky platform boots. It didn't always work, but sometimes it did. They didn't hate Goths, they could fit in with them, but they weren't really lifestyle Goths to be honest. They could pull it off though.

Then there will be places where you will just be a stranger because of your age or your race or your social class.

I once paid a tenner to get in to a club, and for the life of me I had no idea why the fuck it was full of black people! I was the only cracker in the joint! 3 fucking floors. Hip hop up the arsehole. Boom boom boom. Up and down I went. 3 times just to be sure.

Eventually I said to myself: I don't think this club is going in the direction I intended. I'd got the fucking address wrong. It was cool though. No one even noticed me even though I stood out a bit in my hippy chic and them all smartly dressed and dolled up. I loved the music. I wanted to get down and party. But you know...

Location, Location, Location! my friend!

Now, having said that, some locations are borderline. Say a pub in north london where no one really knows anyone, randoms passing by. It's peaceful, good mix of black and white, young and old, rich and poor. Now that is a place that holds a mirror up to your solo game. Embrace it. Practice in a place like that. What have you got to lose?

Doesn't even really matter how you dress in a place like that. You have city types slumming it, hippies, cool britpop hipsters, heavy metal dudes with long hair...

As long as you are confident in your own skin. And you don't smell!

I was just joking about spitting deep game earlier. This is basic shit game 101. I never really had game and I probably never will. But don't let it hold you back. What you lack in game you can make up for with just being confident. OK, game does help. It's true.

In a situation like that, if I was you, I'd just nonchalantly saunter up to the bar, and quietly and confidently order a drink. Whether it's a male or female bartender, make some conversation - light conversation. Be humble, be genuine, be nice. "I've never been in here before is this a busy night?" - breaks the ice. Others can see you chatting and interacting. Already you aren't just that guy who hides in plain sight. You are engaging.

Also look for any others flying solo. Some guys are just drowning their sorrows and want to be left alone to get drunk. Obviously avoid those types. Some people are obviously so confident they are just waiting for someone. They can be interesting to talk to. Just realise they will pull off from you first chance.

Non-threateningly approach a solo woman even if she is just ordering drinks. Remember, at the bar, where you are, people will be coming up and getting a round in. Non-threatening, humorous, witty comments (could be anything from someone spilling a drink to someone wearing too much perfume) will raise a wry smile. It will mark you out as a self-contained and confident person. Won't get you laid, but later on, when you have played a 1001 of these subtle tricks with the people around you, you will have made your mark.

It will have passed the time, and if there is a chick there interested in you, she will barge her way through the throng, just to stand next to and order a drink next to you. Game on!

When flying solo like this, be a magnet, not a shrinking violet.

I've got a mate who I went out to the Slimelight with in fact, so we could bang some Goth chicks in rubber dresses and boots. What a fucking embarrassment he was. He wasn't just an approach machine - he was a fucking approach windmill! I nearly died.

Every single woman that passed he leered at. He went next to the toilets to catch them going in and going out. My god. The girls were looking at me like 'really, is this your friend?' shaking their heads. It was fun!

Fuck 'em.

That guy is a stud by the way who has fucked more women than we have had hot dinners. Extremely good looking, very tall, money, very charming, he's actually a psychopath in fact. He gets such a good rate of just going out solo and women coming up to him, that he doesn't care.

Be a magnet, not a shrinking violet.

Obviously don't talk loud and have faux confidence, this is weak. Don't approach the first piece of pussy that stands next to you to get a drink at the bar. NO she doesn't fancy you, it was just the easiest place to get served.

Build up your fighting confidence as well as your situational awareness. You want to be scanning for overly protective and jealous boyfriends, those that are just with a group of girls etc. etc.

Being fit and being able to handle yourself is a good thing to build confidence in these situations. Purely for self-defense of course. You're not going to be that asshole hitting on everyone's girlfriend.

You are hoping to get lucky. You will have an air of I don't give a fuck about you all the while. And you will mean it.

Do something 'whacky' take a book to read. I posted on this forum before about getting picked up in a gay bar (I honestly didn't know it was a gay bar at the time - there was no one in there) by a lipstick lesbian who had her own business and a big house!

Who the fuck is this prick sitting down here reading war and peace in a pub with no one in?

Not exactly peacocking. But you still will stand out.


You'll work it out. You might have to hop a few bars to find one you are comfortable with. Quit while you are ahead and cut your losses and live to fight another day!

Deep end game!

Sink or Swim!


Aloha!

Quote: (04-19-2018 10:26 PM)SpursFan741 Wrote:  

@ Ramses

I'm another local and it's indeed a shithole, that's why I left.

Here are some tips for gaming in Brussels:

- Hit up the black girls in Brussels and tourists ( local girls are shit), they will be DTF

- Focus more on online game ( Nightlife in Brussels and Belgium in general is very poor ROI)

- Go to bloody louis on a Friday or saturday ( this club was the best for pulling me in Brussels, a lot of black girls and white girls who are DTF)

- thread-66812...pid1722282 I already wrote it here how game in Belgium is. If you don't have an established social circle, it will be tough ( which I didn't have either).

I only ever visited, but I did kind of get the same impression. Maybe living there wouldn't be so fun. Would be hard as well if you had no social circle.

Then again, lots of very nice black women in Brussels.

My first ever tram ride in town. Her sitting opposite me. We started eye-fucking each other immediately. Big smiles. It was hot! No, I mean it really was hot. It was one of the hottest days the country has ever had. Sweating, pouring sweat. No matter.

I'm like 'what's your name sweetheart?' (original I know).

She's like: just smiling, can't understand a single fucking word I'm saying. Not a word.

So we switch to body language.

I smile back at her. She smiles some more. We were just about touching and I swear we would have been fucking right there and then in that tram if it wasn't full of people watching us. Some disgusted, some smiling themselves, some just intrigued as to how this new romance would play out.

She wore a thin dress with no bra, brah!

I have to stop now.

I remember later on that day I tried talking to some native Belgian women though and nearly got arrested for harassment after asking them their names and where they came from (original I know). Bitches. They loved it though, but they just couldn't be seen to break through that respectable Belgian facade.

But yeah, lot of very nice Black women in Brussels. It goes back to the whole Congo thing and Leopold and repatriations and reparations I guess. I researched it and there is a lot of Congolese women there, forget now.

Speaking French is a very definite advantage in this town though.

Then again, body language is better!