Quote: (02-18-2018 03:41 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2018 02:57 AM)xai Wrote:  

Quote: (02-17-2018 10:34 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Ukraine is frigid and has a very high divorce rate, it is not a traditional country, it's a broken country.

Also, Ukranian girls have big tits that get worse when they get pregnant and even worse when they get old.

Also, Ukrainian girls have these really sharp faces, like a witch in a children's book, think Soros, not soft at all.

Also, they're pale, when someone is that pale, you can see their veins through their skin, I'm sure some guys are into it, but not everyone is, and they also age terribly unless you keep them in a dark refrigerator and I don't want to live in a dark refrigerator.

You can see moles, birthmarks, and any imperfections on their skin from a mile away.

Also, their butts are like pancakes. White, pasty pancakes.

The guy complaining about a cockroach here and there in the Philippines, there aren't as many bugs in the Ukraine because everything is dead!
The Ukraine is literally a dead land for almost half the year, it's that cold, it's so cold you could be a human popsicle stick if your power went out over there.

Also, the Philippines' GDP growth rate (lately) is usually better than Ukraine's, there's an economic boom, construction everywhere and they've got a president that's getting things done.

Also, team Ukraine's always talking about how Ukranians are so smart. Really? Ukraine's in Europe, the industrial revolution happened not too far away, Ukraine literally got the answers to the test and still managed to fail, how smart can they be? At least the Philippines can say they're at the edge of the world, about as far away from the birthplace of the industrial revolution as you can get in the old world, anyhow. And even with that drawback, the Philippines still used to have a pretty decent lifestyle a couple of decades back before they fell into their current economic malaise.

Also, the guys that have actually lived there frequently comment on the Ukranians' general pessimism, in complete contrast to Filipinos being known for their optimism. Who wants to live around a bunch of sad sacks? Not me. Like seeks like, I suppose.

What's Ukraine doing? Fighting with themselves over a frigid wasteland no one wants to be in except for horny Turks?

The Philippines also exports nurses and caretakers to the rest of the world, that's pretty cool. What does the Ukraine export? Turks a little less horny than they were when they got there? I don't know, I can't think of a single Ukrainian export other than Turkish nutsacks that weigh a little less than the ones in Turkey.

Anyhow, I like Filipinas, the ones I've dated have been really nice, educated, humble, and gorgeous.

Also, nothing against any Ukranians here, I'm just fighting fire with fire.

#teamPhilippines #teamAsia

I like this guy Better then the male feminists that were coming in here earlier and putting Ukrainian girls on some pedestal

Even a male feminist dressed as a Ballerina is likely to have more success than you in Ukraine, based on your perceptions

My perceptions? you're the one putting them on a pedestal. I'm viewing them as just another girl. You're doomed to failure once you start putting females on any kind of pedestal.

You guys got butt hurt over the guys comment above. You think ripping on Asians is alright but Ukrainian girls are on some kind of higher tier. At the same time you're wondering why you're having issues with Ukrainian girls. You can't lead when you're intimidated by the girl.

When you blow your tax return on a two week trip and offer to take some girl to the park you're going to be wondering why she blew you off.

Guess you need to work on your game more

I will send $20 and a rep point to any repped RVF member who meets Xai in the Ukraine and posts a detailed report of the encounter on this thread, if he ever makes it over there.

Good luck Xai.

Quote: (02-18-2018 05:31 AM)scotian Wrote:  

I will send $20 and a rep point to any repped RVF member who meets Xai in the Ukraine and posts a detailed report of the encounter on this thread, if he ever makes it over there.

I'll match this offer. To Xai:

I'll have some of that, plus a bonus $20 for TheMin the Oligarch

Every Time a dude gets emotional over unknown Pu $$y... things are bout to go bad! If we can sense it... then it's guaranteed a Broad will not only smell it... but abuse that emotionality out of you! And you got $$$... you want to blow on Dime Piece Ukrainians?

Indeed good luck OP... Good Luck!!!

Quote: (02-18-2018 04:13 AM)xai Wrote:  

My perceptions? you're the one putting them on a pedestal. I'm viewing them as just another girl. You're doomed to failure once you start putting females on any kind of pedestal.

You guys got butt hurt over the guys comment above. You think ripping on Asians is alright but Ukrainian girls are on some kind of higher tier. At the same time you're wondering why you're having issues with Ukrainian girls. You can't lead when you're intimidated by the girl.

When you blow your tax return on a two week trip and offer to take some girl to the park you're going to be wondering why she blew you off.

Guess you need to work on your game more

You say you want to find something long term and then go on to lead us down a rabbit hole where you just want a bang but Ukraine isn't Asia and girls aren't Asia easy, especially in Kyiv (worst, most expensive capital and a dump but still beautiful women!).

While I don't think any of us are putting them on a pedestal, we're also not going into something gung-ho expecting the women to fall at our feet, that doesn't work much in the FSU, it still kind of does in the smaller Russian cities but you need a very good working knowledge of Russian for that.

Ukrainians are on a higher tier than Asians but then it comes down to personal taste, I don't find Asians attractive but I do find Ukrainians attractive and thus, higher tier but it's down to personal preference.

Why do you keep prattling on about a walk through the park as if it's a bad thing? You can take the girl out for dinner but you can also do walks in parks, museum visits, art galleries etc, they do respond well to that you know, especially if you're looking for LTR but it appears you're not so what's the point for you?

Do we really need MORE debate about what is a "paying for it chump" versus being a total cheapass? It really is not that difficult.

Yes, if you take her to happy hour at Porter Pub, order the cheapest and shittiest Ukrainian beer or vodka, and are keeping her on a leash to make sure she's not ordering something above 70 UAH, you're going to look like an idiot. This is true in any culture where females aren't "proud and independent".

At the same time, you certainly don't have to indulge her request to go eat the most expensive sushi at Mafia.

Pick a middle level to high end bar where cocktails are 75 UAH. Pick a time that is past dinnertime, or casually mention that you have dinner plans with your friends that evening before you're meeting her.

Most girls aren't going to have more than 1 or 2 cocktails on a first date there. Again, most. There are exceptions of course. If you want to drink more, have a whiskey at home beforehand or hit a cheaper bar solo first. Then you've spent all of 300, at most, for two of you to have drinks in a nice venue, and you've avoided all of the drama and headaches of the secret-sushi order.

And!

You can go for a walk after.

And if you're going to whine and complain about 300 UAH, dedicate some of the brainpower you're wasting about how to avoid an "expensive" date and use it to make a bit of money.

Quote: (02-18-2018 08:34 AM)Bikal Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2018 04:13 AM)xai Wrote:  

My perceptions? you're the one putting them on a pedestal. I'm viewing them as just another girl. You're doomed to failure once you start putting females on any kind of pedestal.

You guys got butt hurt over the guys comment above. You think ripping on Asians is alright but Ukrainian girls are on some kind of higher tier. At the same time you're wondering why you're having issues with Ukrainian girls. You can't lead when you're intimidated by the girl.

When you blow your tax return on a two week trip and offer to take some girl to the park you're going to be wondering why she blew you off.

Guess you need to work on your game more

Why do you keep prattling on about a walk through the park as if it's a bad thing? You can take the girl out for dinner but you can also do walks in parks, museum visits, art galleries etc, they do respond well to that you know, especially if you're looking for LTR but it appears you're not so what's the point for you?

Because most of the guys who have replied have had zero success with Ukrainian girls. That's like taking advice from a stock market investment company that's sunk several businesses.

On top of having little success they keep going on about not spending money on girls. I'm not trying to hear that bullshit. I own tons of real estate on top of working a good job. I'm really not going to be hurt by the girl ordering an expensive drink. I really don't even care tbh. I've met tons of gold diggers and a lot of them have tried taking me for a fool. They're usually the easiest lays too. As long as they think there's hope for something serious (and draining your bank account) they become a really easy lay. They think I'm the sheep and they are the wolf when it's the other way around.


This is the last time I'm saying this. I was trying to gauge from other guys experiences in Ukraine what my value would be as a foreigner from America. Some countries girls will throw them selves at you simply because you're foreign.

I wanted to see if if was going to be easy to sleep with a few girls while I was out hunting for my Ukrainian princess. This doesn't appear to be the case and I'm alright with that.

The only thing I've really picked up from this thread is that I need to become somewhat fluent in Russian before I go to Ukraine or I'm going to get dicked around by them.

This thread has turned very stupid but it was a good idea for a thread. I'd still be interested in hearing some serious opinions from people who have spent some time in both countries. I remember a member (called Schlep I think?) went to both countries in quick succession and shared some opinions a year or so ago.

For those saying why compare the 2 countries, they have nothing in common, I'd say simply because they are 2 of the most acclaimed countries on RVF!

I have no experience of Ukraine but have a lot of experience of the Philippines and will say that all of you guys hating on the Philippines are doing it wrong and missing the point. You're right, the average woman is ugly, the average street is not very nice. The great thing about the Philippines though is that you don't need to be experiencing those average things, a much higher tier of everything is easily accessible if you're a foreign male with anything more than a minimum wage western salary.

Quote: (02-18-2018 11:22 AM)xai Wrote:  

My perceptions? you're the one putting them on a pedestal. I'm viewing them as just another girl. You're doomed to failure once you start putting females on any kind of pedestal.

On top of having little success they keep going on about not spending money on girls.

Regarding money i can understand when it is the country highly adopted tradition however this tradition only persists because of idiots fueling it, women do work nowadays.

And anywhere else in the world if you spending money on them you are putting them in the highest possible pedestal and lowering yourself. Why just not pay a monthly salary to a professional prostitute, it will cost much less in the long run and will avoid all hassles of relationships.

Quote: (02-18-2018 12:22 PM)hipster Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2018 11:22 AM)xai Wrote:  

My perceptions? you're the one putting them on a pedestal. I'm viewing them as just another girl. You're doomed to failure once you start putting females on any kind of pedestal.

On top of having little success they keep going on about not spending money on girls.

Regarding money i can understand when it is the country highly adopted tradition however this tradition only persists because of idiots fueling it, women do work nowadays.

And anywhere else in the world if you spending money on them you are putting them in the highest possible pedestal and lowering yourself. Why just not pay a monthly salary to a professional prostitute, it will cost much less in the long run and will avoid all hassles of relationships.

All girls are prostitutes if you think about it. They exist for the sole reason of extracting resources from you. Everything a girl does from putting on make up to how she dresses and acts is for this purpose.

Quote: (02-18-2018 12:35 PM)xai Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2018 12:22 PM)hipster Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2018 11:22 AM)xai Wrote:  

My perceptions? you're the one putting them on a pedestal. I'm viewing them as just another girl. You're doomed to failure once you start putting females on any kind of pedestal.

On top of having little success they keep going on about not spending money on girls.

Regarding money i can understand when it is the country highly adopted tradition however this tradition only persists because of idiots fueling it, women do work nowadays.

And anywhere else in the world if you spending money on them you are putting them in the highest possible pedestal and lowering yourself. Why just not pay a monthly salary to a professional prostitute, it will cost much less in the long run and will avoid all hassles of relationships.

All girls are prostitutes if you think about it. They exist for the sole reason of extracting resources from you. Everything a girl does from putting on make up to how she dresses and acts is for this purpose.

These views on spending money in dating are grossly oversimplified and lack the slightest nuance. If a woman buys you a drink and you end up sleeping with her you're all of the sudden a male prostitute? It's a dumb thought because it arbitrarily assumes the only necessary qualification for sex was the money spent.

Having to put in some resources and effort into the seduction dance is just part of the chase and the added challenge makes the end result orders of magnitude more enjoyable than prostitution for both parties involved. If you can be super funny or artistic you won't have to resort as much to showing wealth as your attraction strategy. Altruism, generosity and the implicit resource abundance are innately attractive, so vilifying a woman for qualifying those attributes to some degree is as stupid as vilifying a man for qualifying on slimness.

Quote: (02-17-2018 12:26 AM)xai Wrote:  

Why do you guys want a more educated girl that's been indoctrinated with feminist ideology from college? A girl can still be intelligent without the indoctrination. I realize a second income could be handy but is it really worth the headache?

there is pretty much no feminism in past generations in FSU...
(things are slowly changing now, but these likely won't affect me, but younger generations of men )

Quote: (02-17-2018 02:48 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

I love Eastern European chicks as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that they age great. From what I've seen, their looks tend to fall off faster than Asian girls.

i think this a bit of a stereotype...
have been dating slightly older ukrainian girls in the past couple weeks, and both the 32yo, and the 35yo look absolutely fabulous. 32yo (never married) has a body of a fitness trainer and the 35yo (married 13 years then she dumped him) is not far off (but not as perfect), she looks like Natalie Portman, has perfect porcelain skin.

I think that stereotype stems from the horrendous shape all the babushkas walking around are in. No teeth, barely able to stand, plump and skin that looks like the plague.

Quote: (02-18-2018 05:31 AM)scotian Wrote:  

I will send $20 and a rep point to any repped RVF member who meets Xai in the Ukraine and posts a detailed report of the encounter on this thread, if he ever makes it over there.

Good luck Xai.

ahahah I'm up for it... been over the past 2 weekends, will be over next weekend and probably the following 2 also.
Bring it on ahahahaha

Quote: (02-19-2018 03:41 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  

I think that stereotype stems from the horrendous shape all the babushkas walking around are in. No teeth, barely able to stand, plump and skin that looks like the plague.

agreed but are we saying these girls are aging badly? I'm diving back in on saturday ahahahha

Quote: (02-18-2018 07:19 PM)jcardial Wrote:  

These views on spending money in dating are grossly oversimplified and lack the slightest nuance. If a woman buys you a drink and you end up sleeping with her you're all of the sudden a male prostitute? It's a dumb thought because it arbitrarily assumes the only necessary qualification for sex was the money spent.

Having to put in some resources and effort into the seduction dance is just part of the chase and the added challenge makes the end result orders of magnitude more enjoyable than prostitution for both parties involved. If you can be super funny or artistic you won't have to resort as much to showing wealth as your attraction strategy. Altruism, generosity and the implicit resource abundance are innately attractive, so vilifying a woman for qualifying those attributes to some degree is as stupid as vilifying a man for qualifying on slimness.

If a woman buys you a drink which hardly will happen, she is showing honest high interest and actual generosity. If you spend money on a woman you are just being stupid, you are expected to do that, there is no generosity or altruism. Even in regions where you are NOT expected to do that women will use several strategies to make you spend money on them like saying they need to go to the bathroom when the bill arrives. This is prostitution, a prostitute expects you to spend money on her in order to have sex. Most women will take all your money if they have the chance, don't be naive.

There are circumstances when it is ok, not nuances. But i don't want to extend this post.

Quote: (02-19-2018 07:30 AM)hipster Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2018 07:19 PM)jcardial Wrote:  

These views on spending money in dating are grossly oversimplified and lack the slightest nuance. If a woman buys you a drink and you end up sleeping with her you're all of the sudden a male prostitute? It's a dumb thought because it arbitrarily assumes the only necessary qualification for sex was the money spent.

Having to put in some resources and effort into the seduction dance is just part of the chase and the added challenge makes the end result orders of magnitude more enjoyable than prostitution for both parties involved. If you can be super funny or artistic you won't have to resort as much to showing wealth as your attraction strategy. Altruism, generosity and the implicit resource abundance are innately attractive, so vilifying a woman for qualifying those attributes to some degree is as stupid as vilifying a man for qualifying on slimness.

If a woman buys you a drink which hardly will happen, she is showing honest high interest and actual generosity. If you spend money on a woman you are just being stupid, you are expected to do that, there is no generosity or altruism. Even in regions where you are NOT expected to do that women will use several strategies to make you spend money on them like saying they need to go to the bathroom when the bill arrives. This is prostitution, a prostitute expects you to spend money on her in order to have sex. Most women will take all your money if they have the chance, don't be naive.

There are circumstances when it is ok, not nuances. But i don't want to extend this post.

The point you're missing is that paying is not alone a sufficient qualifier for sex for the overwhelming majority of women, so you can't equate paying for dinner to prostitution. If you're asking a girl out to dinner or drinks, you're implicitly offering to pay in most places. Imagine if you invited a girl to go on a helicopter ride and then when the bill came you insisted that she contribute her fair 1k portion.

If you're sweating about what a girl is ordering at a restaurant then you're too broke for that establishment and should invite her to a dive bar or whatever. Plenty of hipster chicks will be fine with that. The most attractive women can date men who are both attractive and don't mind throwing down on fun stuff. Why should they have to settle for a guy who is just attractive or just rich? In fact it would be dumb to not qualify on both of these metrics. Some women will require higher degrees of one or the other, but implying a woman is whoreish for letting a guy voluntarily qualify his financial status (even in a traditional way) shows your understanding of dating culture lacks any kind of nuance.

Simple rule, the one who invites pays the bill. Or at least share if it is the woman doing the invitation.

Quote: (02-19-2018 12:07 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Simple rule, the one who invites pays the bill. Or at least share if it is the woman doing the invitation.

Where? In Brazil for example you are not expected to do that and women will likely not like or feel uncomfortable if you do anyway. Most will right away offer to share the bill, but there are also many using strategies to not pay anything ever and every man move away of those unless he is a complete loser. I must say i don't date poor women, their behavior may be different but overall it will not be.

Only thing you are expected to pay over here is transport if bringing her from a place to another one that you suggested.

Things like "can i pay you a drink?" do not exist here, and if a woman asks for it she will get the drink and pretend she does not know you anymore.

Quote: (02-19-2018 12:32 PM)hipster Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2018 12:07 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Simple rule, the one who invites pays the bill. Or at least share if it is the woman doing the invitation.

Where?

In Rocha's realm.

Quote: (02-15-2018 08:31 PM)xai Wrote:  

Quote: (02-15-2018 08:12 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

In my experience with Ukrainian girls in Poland they have certain expectations based on your nationality. If you tell them you're American they will shit test a lot to find out why you are there, what's your financial situation etc. You definitely need game to get laid, a passport won't cut it.
It's also important how you dress, there's this mentality that if you are wealthy (or a foreigner from the West) you should dress well. A guy like Zuckerberg would be ridiculed if nobody knew who he was.
One of the comments from a broke Ukrainian student I was dating was that I should buy more shoes: why am I always wearing the same ones ? It's true that I have 3 pairs of very comfortable shoes that I wear until they break down because I can't be bothered to waste my time shopping but the comment was a bit unexpected. She was also commenting on my flat and certain behaviors that she didn't like. Bitch you share a crappy dorm room, you can't afford a coffee yet you have the balls to criticize my lifestyle.

Expect to pay for everything even after banging her. Once I told her that I don't have any cash on me and they didn't accept cards just to see her reaction. I was surprised that she didn't complain about that as well. Better to invite her to your place and make her cook or go for a walk in the park unless you want to become a sponsor.

I haven't met any Filipinas but from what I've seen they're ugly as fuck. Maybe if I had yellow fever I would rate them one point higher but still they can't compare to the average Ukrainian.

That sound like a stereotypical female trait. Most girls will shit test you. Even Filipino girls will shit test you. There not always ugly. There's actually a lot of very beautiful girls in the Philippines. You won't really find them around the p4p area's that most foreigners hang around. I'll add some photos of some of the girls I dated once I crop them a bit. I don't want some white knight turd trying to dox me.

These girls sound very arrogant to be honest. I make more in a day then she makes in a month. I'd feel like slapping her if she critiqued my style or where I lived. I usually wear a button down with a sport coat and jeans with some leather shoes. How do people in Ukraine normally dress or what's considered stylish?

One thing I've learned at this age is you always pay to some degree so it's whatever at this point. Even dating a girl - you're driving her around (gas, insurance, future mental health problems as a result of dating her). If I make some gold diggers day by buying her a sandwich I'm not going to feel bad.

I think I'm going to sign up on some Russian dating sites like Mamba or something and see how it goes. I find it hard to believe that Ukrainian girls are harder then American girls. Out of all the countries I've been to American girls are the most stuck up, social media addicts. They shit test you and you have no room for recovery if you make the smallest mistake. They just move on the next guy hitting them up on Tinder

american girls have many many options... average us citizen salary is 50k compared to ukrainian average of what? under 6k... it seems like a lot of westerners are poor cheapskates...

Quote: (02-16-2018 09:10 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  

I'd pick the Philippines for a number of reasons.

1) Weather is a million times better
2) Countless beach destinations an hour away
3) English
4) The women treat you well - yes of course there are scammers but overall Filipinas are a hell of a lot friendlier than EE girls that have mega bitch shields up most of the time.

Also the guy that said ONS are hard in the Phils... that has not been my experience.

The women in Ukraine are probably hotter on average, but looks aren't everything.

time and place for every location... gotta be flexible and ready for the challenge...

As for all the negatives about the Phils which Incubus lists, isn't that just reality for the majority of the local population? Don't we as foreigners avoid that by paying to stay in a nice building in a nice area very close to a major mall, and that's that? Of course water deliveries and security with shotguns can't fully be avoided, but we're obviously going for the women so why the need to venture out that far? e.g. if you stay in Makati

If you're in Cebu looking to do diving and island hop, you're obviously exposing yourself to more dangers I suppose.

I do wonder though, just as a thought experiment... What if it were filipinas who were difficult, ice princesses and were extremely hard to lay, but the Ukrainians were 20x easier? Would guys put filipinas on a pedestal (because there are many cute and even hot filipinas)? Or would guys just not bother with the Philippines at all as a result?

One guy in Poland told me that in doing day game on pretty polkas, I am putting pussy on a pedestal, because I am working so hard for little result, and even if I get to Advanced ability, I will only be able to bang 1/30 of my approaches. Whatever resources you're putting into getting girls, whether it is time, effort, learned skills etc., it has a monetary opportunity cost. p4p is seedy and shit, but I can see why some turks or whatever in the Ukraine just pay these ice queens instead of having to try to "game" them and deal with their shit, because as people they are low quality golddiggers, even if they look "hot". From the shit I hear about Ukraine, I would almost think it's 100% nearly of women who want to sell themselves for money. All ice cold. No sweet, normal girls left. The few filipinas I have known have been pretty, warm and pleasant, and were not looking for money for sex.