Quote: (02-05-2018 09:34 PM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

Quote: (02-05-2018 08:59 PM)bigolteddies Wrote:  

Not sure where all this anger's coming from. Sure i'll admit it is fun but I was just posting about the recent change in perspective from doing this. I don't go out and prey on girls with boyfriends, these are girls that I don't find out they have a boyfriend until after most of the time, it's not me cheating it's them. I would love to live in a society where girls have fundamental values and aren't vapid whores, i'd much prefer to have a loving girlfriend and meaningless sex makes me feel empty, but guess what, that's not fucking reality. I'm gaining experience as I search for a quality girl that's capable of settling down, until you have sex with a girl you can't make the decision of whether she's quality or not.

As I said in my previous post my counts only at 20 which I think is really low and I really don't want my number to be in the 100's as I was talking about how it may damage my pair bonding mechanism. So in you're ideal world men should not fulfill their primal urge to bust a nut because there are no quality girls? I should remain celibate until I find some girl in an Eastern European village and court her for years? I think the degeneracy of the modern female is something that needs to be discussed and it's frankly alarming how hostile your reaction is. The fact of the matter is that females control the sexual marketplace, they are the choosers, men just follow along.

I doubt that you haven't been able to find out until after you've been with them that they have boyfriends in most cases. In most cases it's probably been the opposite, Come on, I've been around too and I know that cheaters give clues.

And it doesn't even matter because in the case with your ex, that was not the case anyway, right? You knew she was in a relationship but you didn't care.

Your thirst for her was more important than anything else, like having integrity for example. But if guys instead were rejecting and showing a disgust for these sluts, fewer of them would be around.

And discussing the degeneracy of the modern female isn't exactly something that haven't already been discussed 1000 times before. Very rarely do guys actually talk about taking self-ownership and looking themselves in the mirror aswell. How much effort have you actually made into finding a good virtous quality girl? Looked through some of your posts and of course you talk about few girls you've met up for first night bangs apart from ex-girlfriend who seems to have no problem going out to bars and get smashed.

A guy like you is certainly not the right one to start a thread about today's degeneracy, you're a part of it.

You're missing the point. WOMEN ARE THE CHOOSERS. This dumbass ideal you have in your head.

"Very rarely do guys actually talk about taking self-ownership and looking themselves in the mirror aswell."

WOMEN ARE THE CHOOSERS. Even virgins don't want guys that are virgins, and men have a need for sex the same as any other physical urge like eating or sleeping. Your ideal world where all guys stopped banging sluts does not exist. Good luck living your pathetic existence as an "alpha virgin" looking for a quality girl because a quality girl doesn't want a guy that doesn't understand girls. When I was in relationships I was 100% faithful and wanted to see them through until the girl proved she wasn't marriage-quality. I am a quality guy and having sex with sluts doesn't change that. Can't say the same about women or you...

There isn't a lot of bros before hoes sentiment here.

The dominant attitude seems to be that game is very much zero-sum, meaning it's always the guy's fault for not keeping his woman engaged enough to prevent her from succumbing to temptation. Of course, that shoe can very easily shift to the other foot.

There's an intellectual understanding of women's proclivity to cheat, but no willingness to abstain from fucking taken women.

Quote: (02-06-2018 12:02 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

The dominant attitude seems to be that game is very much zero-sum, meaning it's always the guy's fault for not keeping his woman engaged enough to prevent her from succumbing to temptation. Of course, that shoe can very easily shift to the other foot.

There's an intellectual understanding of women's proclivity to cheat, but no willingness to abstain from fucking taken women.

It IS zero sum. If you have multiple chicks on your roster, there's one dude out there for each girl you're fucking who's getting no pussy at all.

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meaning it's always the guy's fault for not keeping his woman engaged enough to prevent her from succumbing to temptation

Functionally, it is. Whether we're talking about the guy fucking the cheating ho or the soy boyfriend getting cheated on, it boils down to the fact that he's responsible for his property...because women can't be held to account for anything. Think of them as a commodity. You wouldn't blame your money for getting stolen, right?

Quote: (02-05-2018 09:34 PM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

And discussing the degeneracy of the modern female isn't exactly something that haven't already been discussed 1000 times before. Very rarely do guys actually talk about taking self-ownership and looking themselves in the mirror aswell. How much effort have you actually made into finding a good virtous quality girl? Looked through some of your posts and of course you talk about few girls you've met up for first night bangs apart from ex-girlfriend who seems to have no problem going out to bars and get smashed.

A guy like you is certainly not the right one to start a thread about today's degeneracy, you're a part of it.

Men will always be thirsty for sex, you can't argue with human nature but ultimately the burden is on women because they hold the power to say yes or no. That's why being a slut is easy for them, they just have to show up.
If I see a beauty radiating with feminine energy with a pleasant personality and a gorgeous smile you can be sure I will flirt with her even though she may be married or in a relationship.

The only degenerates in my book are men who pay for sex either up front or through other means (sugar daddies, cam girl sponsors etc).

Guys who do pick-up or who are high value deserve a bit more respect, even if they might steal your girl After all it's not easy to attract and bang beautiful women.

Quote: (02-06-2018 12:02 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

There isn't a lot of bros before hoes sentiment here.

The dominant attitude seems to be that game is very much zero-sum, meaning it's always the guy's fault for not keeping his woman engaged enough to prevent her from succumbing to temptation. Of course, that shoe can very easily shift to the other foot.

There's an intellectual understanding of women's proclivity to cheat, but no willingness to abstain from fucking taken women.

Others will disagree, and they may be better at game as a result, but for me..

a good maxim is: Don't do infidelity.

I have banged two married women in my life: one when I was blind drunk, one when I went into it knowingly -regretted it- and decided against marrieds in future.

Have been pursued by a few married women and noticed that long term married women are often the most likely to cheat. It was one way of getting a window into their narcissistic, amoral world.

There is a difference though..

Pursuing a woman that I know to be in an official, especially a long-term, relationship? Nope.

Gaming attractive young women in today's dating world? They will be 'seeing'/fucking other guys/ FBs/ ex-boyfriends or on the verge of fucking other guys and these guys and others out there delusionally believe that they have a claim on these girls.

There are also wishful females who believe, based on the odd bang over a few week period -and despite being told differently-, that 'we' are an item and that they have a claim on me to the extent that I shouldn't bang other chicks.

I'm not going to lose sleep over any of that.

Quote: (02-06-2018 04:09 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

It IS zero sum. If you have multiple chicks on your roster, there's one dude out there for each girl you're fucking who's getting no pussy at all.

Your statement is based on rather dubious assumptions, to put it charitably.

Quote: (02-06-2018 09:39 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

a good maxim is: Don't do infidelity.

Over time I've had to concede that the raw sex act means a hell of a lot less than I want it to mean. The more opportunistic I am, the more often I'll have it, but the tradeoff is that I'll wind up valuing it less.

Context is what's supposed to matter to women and not men, but I think it matters more to men than we're willing to admit. You tend not to think about context in the heat of the moment (and dulled further by alcohol) but just go conjure up one of those "post nut blues" thread(s) here for what I'm talking about. There's a million ways to feel empty, bitter, or regretful in that moment of clarity where you're no longer burdened by the primal need to get off. Guilt/anger/jealousy/resentment over cheating or enabling a woman to cheat is a big part of that.

Nobody's obligated to pursue sex in the exact same way. If certain scenarios don't feel good, then don't do it. Life is too damn short to try to force yourself to live up to someone else's standards.

Hypergamy at work...

Quote: (02-07-2018 03:31 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (02-06-2018 04:09 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

It IS zero sum. If you have multiple chicks on your roster, there's one dude out there for each girl you're fucking who's getting no pussy at all.

Your statement is based on rather dubious assumptions, to put it charitably.

Would you care to elaborate?

Quote: (02-07-2018 10:43 AM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

Would you care to elaborate?

Aren't you assuming that women don't have rosters of their own?

The sexual market is a zero sum game. This is why the economic feminine imperative is to vote for wealth redistribution.

To women, Men = resources
Sexual marketplace is zero sum

Therefore, resources are zero sum.

Of course, with logic we know free trade creates wealth...ie not zero sum.

Hence, welfare state and immigrants. But women and libs don't understand this.

Quote: (02-07-2018 11:21 AM)heavy Wrote:  

The sexual market is a zero sum game.

Why?

Quote: (02-07-2018 11:02 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (02-07-2018 10:43 AM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

Would you care to elaborate?

Aren't you assuming that women don't have rosters of their own?

They do...of beta orbiters. Typically they are fucking only one guy at a time, save for the biggest of shameless whores. Who that 'one guy' is will change over time (often not very much time at all) but the fact remains.

There's no potential sex partner creation.

This is tough to see from a guy's world, but it's still true. You can go to the next bar. You can jump on Tinder. You can go to a yoga class. You can keep going for the next available attractive chick. But there's no creation, either addition or by multiplication (like wealth) of the next available attractive chick.

It's easier to see from a woman perspective. "There's no good men out there" from a woman who could easily get any of thousands of men around her. There's only so many men, and definitely only so many men she's attracted to.

Edit: Contrast to wealth creation. It only takes two people to create wealth via trade. Key word search is "comparative advantage".

Quote: (02-07-2018 11:47 AM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

They do...of beta orbiters. Typically they are fucking only one guy at a time, save for the biggest of shameless whores. Who that 'one guy' is will change over time (often not very much time at all) but the fact remains.

This strikes me as a tremendous stretch. They'll deny fucking more than one guy at a time, but they'll all do it. Who among us has not found out that a plate was on her way to a date after our booty call, or busted inside a girl who was talking about her lovable boyfriend only moments later? At least 50% of the time, "I have a boyfriend" or "I'm married" is just official notice, not an objection. Then there's the ones who are "single" because they had a fight this morning.

This shit doesn't even really happen in their minds. The most realistic scene on any episode of Mad Men was when Don's remarried ex-wife invited him in to bang in a motel and then told him "this all happened a long time ago" before she shut the door.

^ Jetset, my point was that a women is usually only enamored with one guy. The rest of the men in her life tend to fulfill her many other (typically non-sexual) needs. They compartmentalize men into 'fuckworthy' and everyone else.

Quote: (02-07-2018 12:09 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

^ Jetset, my point was that a women is usually only enamored with one guy

Then, it is the love market that may be zero-sum, not the sexual market.

IMHO, the underlying morality problem isn't whether or not women ride a different cock each night. It's about honesty. If people want to have loose / open relationships, fine. That's their business. But when a relationship is made official enough that there's a mutual expectation of fidelity, if you're fucking on the side, it's a violation of trust and requires a trail of lies to maintain. You can understand why people try to have their cake and eat it too, but there's no way to put a positive spin on it.

Quote: (02-07-2018 12:09 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

^ Jetset, my point was that a women is usually only enamored with one guy. The rest of the men in her life tend to fulfill her many other (typically non-sexual) needs. They compartmentalize men into 'fuckworthy' and everyone else.

There's this, and I'm not going to dismiss that it's common. However, there's also a large contingent of women who will construct multiple elaborate overlapping drama triangles for highly emotional sex with multiple partners, with zero accountability for any of it. This is far more common than anyone wants to admit.

Quote: (02-04-2018 10:59 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

Quote: (02-04-2018 09:58 AM)Casanova1004 Wrote:  

Pathetic beings. Another thread here and several men here who do not deserve their good wives.... they're clearly boasting on how they bang different girls every week and their wives know NOTHING about it.... No honor whatsoever

Rude awakening coming when he looks at his wife's phone at the wrong moment.

Anyone who says this knows little to nothing about women.

First, men who fuck around know the bloody signs. Women are only good at hiding shit and faking things when they are dealing with idiots and inexperienced young boys.

Also, women cheat most on permissive men. Guys who are fucking around and having side plates will always seem more attractive to their wives. Sometimes the wife will find out and throw a fit. Healing from infidelity is something wives secretly love provided the guy isn't a beta. Yes they have breaking points, but God Damn if your wife catches you fucking a mistress she will bang you like you've never been banged before! She will fuck you until your dick feels like it's going to fall off and then she is going to want more! When this doesn't occur, she has lost all attraction to you. Women love out competing other women for a top tier man.

Quote: (02-04-2018 01:14 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-04-2018 01:01 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Honor is a useless belief. We don't live in a society that values it.

I went through a brief period of sawing off street signs with a hacksaw late at night and it was exhilerating. Luckily, I got away with it and can look back on it as nothing more than an amusing coming-of-age ritual. Then you have stories of embezzlers who started out small and had many chances to stop themselves but they pushed it too far and got sloppy and wound up in a maximum security prison.
Breaking rules (legal or moral) of some kind always feels like an exciting game up until the moment you get caught.

Questor, I don't think you understand. The intensity of an affair is much, much more than just a high from breaking social norms and getting away with it.

I don't fully understand it, but I can say that having a shared secret that puts you both in danger builds intense intimacy. The limited time available together makes sexual encounters wild and exciting. All I can say is that it feels like a drug, the feeling is that powerful.

Honestly... there is just so much stuff to unpack here I should have it's own thread. However, I think there lacks sufficient interest here in married or taken women.

Quote: (02-04-2018 01:55 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (02-04-2018 12:54 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

Yet they themselves are utterly incapable of offering up entertainment save for what's between their legs. Women really aren't sentient beings the way men are. They are things to be acted upon, they are not actors themselves. They are simply objects in space.

Hence the old debates in religious circles on whether women actually have a soul.

Of course women have souls. They just have a greater than average need for external morality controls. Western society is actively engaged in removing those so that women have zero morality here. It's not their fault... it's our fault as men for failing to create an environment that forces them to be moral.

The sexual market is zero sum like the car market is zero sum. In theory nobody can drive more than one car at a time but the reality is that some people like to have multiple cars and some people just catch the bus or walk or ride a bike because they think the cost of a car is not worth the pay-off.

Complaining that the one guy fucking multiple chicks is robbing fat fedora boys of their waifu is nonsense. Most of those chicks would rather fuck a large-breed dog than a fat fedora boy. Trying to plan out the sexual market place through some sort of communist distribution theory would require total authoritarian control, and still fail miserably like everything communism touches.

The reality is that all the fat fedora boys have to do to get laid is improve themselves to the point where they can strip away the lowest level plate from an alpha male by offering exclusivity and emotional currency. If they're so fucking pathetic that they can't manage that then women are reduced to being plates for alphas or fucking large breed dogs.

Hell, if the army-level numbers of fat fedora boys want to grow a pair, burn down the current regime and reduce women back to slave status then that's just fine too, the irony being that if they had the nuts to do that then it wouldn't even be necessary in the first place.

But they get no sympathy from me. The betas of today would have been the omegas of the 1950's so it's little wonder women would sooner find alternatives than let soy up in their snatch.

Nobody truly benefits from being given something they don't deserve, and communist theory applied to the sexual marketplace is just as toxic a mentality as when it's applied to anywhere else.

I don't think I've done the best job of elucidating my point in this thread. Leonard, I was not referring to (nor complaining on behalf of) the fat fedora atheist virgin brigade. I was more referring to Average Beta Joe's who aren't hip to the fact that their four year degree and middle class income won't land them a good wife. The would-be Barbara Billingsly's of today are instead blowing Chad's off tinder and wasting their youth.

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Trying to plan out the sexual market place through some sort of communist distribution theory would require total authoritarian control, and still fail miserably like everything communism touches.

One could argue the pre-sexual revolution Sexual Market Place was akin to a form of sexual socialism. Restraining women's power effectively amounts to such.

Quote: (02-04-2018 12:54 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

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THEY THEMSELVES ARE BORING PEOPLE.

Being boring is the world's most effective vagina drying agent. Yet they themselves are utterly incapable of offering up entertainment save for what's between their legs. Women really aren't sentient beings the way men are. They are things to be acted upon, they are not actors themselves. They are simply objects in space.

The definiton of "objectification" in the dictionary is a picture of this post.

Also, strong username, OP.

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Quote: (02-07-2018 09:25 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

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Trying to plan out the sexual market place through some sort of communist distribution theory would require total authoritarian control, and still fail miserably like everything communism touches.

One could argue the pre-sexual revolution Sexual Market Place was akin to a form of sexual socialism. Restraining women's power effectively amounts to such.

This is an illusion. Men were not policing women. Economics was. Nobody was putting a gun to their heads to avoid slutting and get married young.

Welfare. Affirmative action. Make-work jobs. You don't need to police whores. You just need to stop subsidising them.

Quote: (02-07-2018 10:59 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Men were not policing women. Economics was.

Fathers were certainly policing their daughters. A daughter of ill-repute cannot be married to anyone and is a burden to her parents.

Brothers were certainly policing their sisters. A sister of ill-repute cannot be married to anyone and is a burden to her parents, which means less inheritance to her siblings.