This is getting ridiculous. This past month i've banged these twins (at separate times) and they both had boyfriends. They showed no remorse at all. I've also seen many of my friends smash girls with boyfriends who, again, act like they're doing nothing wrong. Also keep in mind that these girl's boyfriends all look very beta and cucky, and are most likely clueless.

In the beginning of January my ex texted me and I ended up meeting her out at a bar. We were both drunk and as soon as I see her she grabs me and we start making out. Keep in mind she's had a boyfriend for months now. We broke up in September and she was dating this kid probably just a few weeks after that. So I take her back and bang her and the whole time she's talking about how we shouldn't be doing this and how she loves her bf and wants to marry him. I'm thinking what the fuck why are you saying this as i'm raw dogging you. So I get my nut and leave. The next day she pretends she doesn't remember having sex and asks me so I said yeah and ignore her.

Yesterday she hit me up out of the blue saying she had a dream about me and some other bs. She mentions that she told her bf that she cheated on him w me. These were the texts

Her: I was drunk and he was out of town and it was stupid and i told him everything already

me: lol ok

her: im serious

me: u told him u fucked me and ur still together?

her: i told him that i was blacked out and i dont remember if we hooked up or not (lol bullshit) the last memory i had was us in the street. I told him im pretty sure it happened and he said he doesnt think it happened then we never talked about it again


I was pretty dumbfounded at this is this guy this much of a beta that he doesn't care or is he so stupid that he doesn't realize it (probably a bit of both). Anyway she just wanted attention from me and wanted me to chase her because she turned me down when I said we could hangout. I told her if you wanna hang out (smash) that's fine but i'm not giving you attention if you're just texting me.

I really don't understand how these girls have absolutely no shame. She was obviously testing the waters to see if she can monkey branch back to me because what girl would be attracted to a guy that's so beta that he lets his gf cheat and turn a blind eye. I wouldn't mind smashing her but she wants me to chase her and be emotionally invested, it sucks because she's a cool girl but her true nature is still pretty horrible and I would never date her again. It really is scary how all these females show absolutely no remorse for cheating and monkey branching, i've seen it so many times with other people and now being the one with the cheating girl is pretty eye opening.

Most guys are soyboys, most girls are whores.

Quote: (02-04-2018 12:00 AM)wi30 Wrote:  

Most guys are soyboys, most girls are whores.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It seems that You are learning some game and realizing some hard truths. It is 2018, most girls cheat. Just accept it and continue your life.

Quote: (02-04-2018 12:22 AM)Drix Wrote:  

It seems that You are learning some game and realizing some hard truths. It is 2018, most girls cheat. Just accept it and continue your life.

Yep got Roosh and the forum to thank for that. Going to do study abroad in Poland this summer to see how non american girls are. At around 20 bangs, half of those coming from the last 6 months. I am a bit worried about my pair-bonding mechanism becoming too damaged if my number gets too high. It seems to not be mentioned much here but I don't see how the same thing won't apply to guys as it does for girls, albeit to a lesser extent. I'd want nothing more than to have a traditional girl but it seems at least in America that's not really possible.

Quote: (02-04-2018 12:00 AM)wi30 Wrote:  

Most guys are soyboys, most girls are whores.

and most deserve each other...

Anyone else get the impression that women love married/taken men?

Maybe home-wrecking is part of the female code?

Its called pre-selection. Most women are susceptible to it.

As a man don't worry about your pair bonding ability you'll know when you see something good. It has always been in men's nature to fuck a lot of women. Successful men at least

A few years ago I one-off banged a married ex school friend at a reunion.

She started pursuing me a while later and for a while I entertained the idea. She was blowing up social media with her and her husband and her kids and their happiness and their new holiday home abroad and new family pics and all the while she's sexting me and saying how risky it all is because they're in the lawyer's office signing for their new house and he's sitting right next to her.
They're out celebrating their anniversary and its all so exciting because he almost caught her sending pics just a second ago.

I wasn't to mention it to !ANYONE! because her husband would leave her if he found out.

She was messaging me from church on a Sunday morning, the messages saying "I can't believe I'm sending you these while I'm in the line for communion!"

It kind of confused me because the guy by no means looked like a chode and she herself told me that the sex with him was amazing, best ever.

The obsession with deception and the whole married thing turned me off so I just left it tail off, the messages unanswered.

I was talking about this 'forbidden' excitement factor with a girl I was on a date with around that time and got her drunk to the point where she said that yes: for women sex was adventure, sex was achievement (much more than achievement in the boardroom) and yes, women were covertly whores and they covered up whatever they did from nearly almost everyone --- and the fact that they had to cover it up was a sign of society's misogyny.

... :/ ... :/ Yes I banged that one but I was left with severe logical headaches for a week afterward.

Quoting Roissy:

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Properly owning a dog is excellent training for properly owning a woman. The behavior of dogs and women is eerily similar, and their relation to man testifies to that.

Like dogs, women need to be led. They *want* to be led. In fact, though they will never admit it, women want to be owned by their men. (I loved that he was so powerful I was nothing. – O on her lover)

Like dogs, women will walk all over you if you let them.

Like dogs, women will test you for your alpha status the moment you show weakness. There’s nothing dogs and women loathe more than being adrift in a non-hierarchical relationship. They both need to slip comfortably behind you in an established pecking order. It is there they find deep, true happiness and contentment.

Like dogs, women need to be trained. Shit tests are essentially a woman telling you “Please train me to respect you.” Oblige her.

Like dogs, women respond best to strong verbal and nonverbal commands. If you stare down a dog, it will always turn away first, if it recognizes your authority. Women will do the same.

Like dogs, women will eventually take to the leash, metaphorical or literal.

Like dogs, women want to be told to roll over.

Like dogs, women will hump anything if you allow them.

Dog training is alpha training; keeping a dog in line and assuming the role of pack leader will redound to other areas of your life. The skills and mindset required to rule the dog pack are not much different than the game required to rule a woman. You will soon learn what it means to have a commanding presence when you are the owner of a naturally unruly dog.

Quoting Black Flag:

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Many of the rest here seem to be stuck on the notion that women are heartless bitches that both crave and deserve abuse and misery. Game, properly executed, should result in a loyal, loving woman. My personal feeling is that many woman can *only* find happiness with a dominating, dictatorial male. Cruel to be kind. Yes.

When you start out in game, you tend to see a girl cheating on her man with you as a kind of validation of your own worth and game, an ego boost.

Later on, you realize that this kind of girl is a shitty whore and you have no reason to be proud. Hos gonna ho.

Eventually, you start to realize that the nature of woman is a certain way, and there's not much you can do to change it. To use a tired phrase: it is what it is. Exploit it when it's in your interest and it doesn't have dire consequences for good men and innocent children.

I try not to fuck married women or girls in serious relationships anymore. It sounds ridiculous but I kind of believe in karma and it's just bad energy. Nine times out of ten they start developing feelings and it all gets messy, and often I feel like some women are so self destructive it's almost like they want to be caught.

Probably a topic for another thread, but it would seem to me, given my upbringing, that a woman's job is to enforce morality. My grandmothers' generation was full of wisdom, kindness, and sensibility. My mother's generation ensured that the fathers took the children to Sunday school and mass for lessons in humility and making the right choices. When the current slut generation becomes future grandmothers, what wisdom will they bestow on future generations?

Pathetic beings. Another thread here and several men here who do not deserve their good wives.... they're clearly boasting on how they bang different girls every week and their wives know NOTHING about it.... No honor whatsoever

Quote: (02-04-2018 12:41 AM)bigolteddies Wrote:  

Yep got Roosh and the forum to thank for that. Going to do study abroad in Poland this summer to see how non american girls are. At around 20 bangs, half of those coming from the last 6 months. I am a bit worried about my pair-bonding mechanism becoming too damaged if my number gets too high. It seems to not be mentioned much here but I don't see how the same thing won't apply to guys as it does for girls, albeit to a lesser extent. I'd want nothing more than to have a traditional girl but it seems at least in America that's not really possible.

In Poland LTRs are stronger, the girls are much more loyal than in the US on average. Especially the younger ones who met their BF in highschool and have been together for years. These girls have tons of options but they just focus on study/work and see their BF as their BF "forever" almost. There is a lot less monkey branching.

The girls who are most likely to cheat are the slutty looking girls with bad attitudes (older, difficult to game, shit tests everywhere), loose hipsters and the occasional lonely Ukrainian.

When you see polish girls "reject" you because of a serious i.e. 5+ year LTR, it becomes a source of frustration that these "good girls" have been snapped up already. But in another way, if you think about it, the fact that it takes a LOT more to make a good polish girl cheat on her BF, compared to US girls, restores a little faith that you could find a "good girl" who by some stroke of luck is still single. But that takes playing a lot of numbers. This type of girl is also going to be very skeptical about some random foreign guy from the street, because they are used to the sex/love tourists by now and unless you strongly prove otherwise, you are one of them.

Quote: (02-04-2018 09:34 AM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  

When the current slut generation becomes future grandmothers, what wisdom will they bestow on future generations?

Many of the sluts I knew had a never-ending party from 16 till 29, and then ended up alone. Some used a sperm donor and became single mothers. They now look like they have PTSD. Of course, they pose for photos and upload them to Facebook, but their fake smiles and their claims that they are super-duper haaaaaapy do not fool anyone with a clue. It's very sad, but they chose that path, didn't they?

Many former sluts will never live till they are old enough to even look like grandmothers. They will off themselves before that.

OP, Tomassi has written some good stuff on this. Female solipsism, "me and my babies first", etc. Sure, she loves his provisioning and wants to marry him, but it doesn't necessarily follow that she wants to be impregnated by him. Throw out "amorality" and instead start with different moral premises and you might find something that holds up.

Nearly every girl I had an intense sexual history with and stayed on good terms with had a romantic reckoning of some kind when she was on the verge of getting engaged. Disappearing, then randomly restarting for a week literally sending me love songs and begging for dick pics, then announcing their wedding and never talking to me again. Scheduling a last weekend romp in a motel room without mentioning their boyfriend. That kind of shit. Every newlywed husband believes this didn't happen and the wife will fight all evidence to the bitter end, but nearly every woman starts frantically tying up all her emotional loose ends and re-validating her attractiveness before she accepts a provider and tries to close the shop for good.

Trying to pull out a male-oriented code of ethics and hold her to it is like demanding that a golden retriever uphold bushido.

Quote: (02-04-2018 09:58 AM)Casanova1004 Wrote:  

Pathetic beings. Another thread here and several men here who do not deserve their good wives.... they're clearly boasting on how they bang different girls every week and their wives know NOTHING about it.... No honor whatsoever

Rude awakening coming when he looks at his wife's phone at the wrong moment.

Girls get their morals from their father or other men they view as alpha. Nowadays that means the welfare state and the bad boys that excite them --- not really the paragons of moral rectitude.

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Quote: (02-04-2018 12:41 AM)bigolteddies Wrote:  

Yep got Roosh and the forum to thank for that. Going to do study abroad in Poland this summer to see how non american girls are. At around 20 bangs, half of those coming from the last 6 months. I am a bit worried about my pair-bonding mechanism becoming too damaged if my number gets too high. It seems to not be mentioned much here but I don't see how the same thing won't apply to guys as it does for girls, albeit to a lesser extent. I'd want nothing more than to have a traditional girl but it seems at least in America that's not really possible.

In Poland LTRs are stronger, the girls are much more loyal than in the US on average. Especially the younger ones who met their BF in highschool and have been together for years. These girls have tons of options but they just focus on study/work and see their BF as their BF "forever" almost. There is a lot less monkey branching.

The girls who are most likely to cheat are the slutty looking girls with bad attitudes (older, difficult to game, shit tests everywhere), loose hipsters and the occasional lonely Ukrainian.

When you see polish girls "reject" you because of a serious i.e. 5+ year LTR, it becomes a source of frustration that these "good girls" have been snapped up already. But in another way, if you think about it, the fact that it takes a LOT more to make a good polish girl cheat on her BF, compared to US girls, restores a little faith that you could find a "good girl" who by some stroke of luck is still single. But that takes playing a lot of numbers. This type of girl is also going to be very skeptical about some random foreign guy from the street, because they are used to the sex/love tourists by now and unless you strongly prove otherwise, you are one of them.

Wrong premise me thinks.
Polish women are sluts like the others. Just because they don't cheat with a Western tourist guy, does not mean they will not cheat their man with the boss, the barman, the hairdresser, personal trainer, etc...or worst, even with the best friend or the brother of her "soulmate".

Thinking about betrayals with close people from the same circle, I know personally many cases of stuff like this happening, and yet it is barely talked about in the manosphere. Says so.much about the morals of women and the morals of men.

Many guys are so thirsty and sneaky that will sell their mother or their soul for a piece of ass.

"I really don't understand how these girls have absolutely no shame"

I think I've cracked it.

What drives slutty/loose behavior more than anything else is BOREDOM. Calling it loneliness or insecurity might be too kind. I think it's often nothing more than simple boredom.

Unless a woman is literally cohabitating with her boyfriend, you're seeing him maybe only once or twice a week. If the guys is really busy or he has family obligations sometimes a couple weeks might even go by without a liaison. Life is pretty much the same for everyone. You drag yourself through the grind of the work week but when Friday and Saturday night rolls around you want the quickest path to dump all that pent up stress.

This is why fucking becomes an extension of alcohol. It has very little to do with emotional intimacy. It is simply a regularly scheduled stress-relieving activity. It's like exchanging free back-rubs or getting a free ticket to a roller-coaster ride.

Guys are more apt to cultivate solitary hobbies. Women don't really have hobbies anymore. They aren't knitting or cooking or any of those domestic duties. Sexual liaisons become a hobby, the only downside being that they keep it discrete outside of trading kiss-and-tell stories with their girlfriends.

I don't have the link handy, but there was a story recently about some soccer mom who became an Instagram whore and got herself mysteriously killed in a booty-call gone wrong.

So even women who have 24/7 male companionship find themselves getting bored and wanting to walk on the wild side.

Of course, the deeper truth here is that the reason women are so easily bored is because THEY THEMSELVES ARE BORING PEOPLE. They lack intellectual curiosity. The terror of facing an empty room far exceeds any shame/guilt in pursuing drunken casual sex (with or without a cheating component).

So really, sluts are, more than anything else, low-value people who have very little going on in their lives outside of their sexcapades.

I wonder if American girls/girls in big cities are sluts in particular, or guys here on RVF just hyper-notice it.

My experience: I can never get girls to cheat. Even if I assume 95% of the time they just say boyfriend as an excuse, the rest of the time when the interaction was strong and I was clearly a better/more fun option than their guy, they don't take it.

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THEY THEMSELVES ARE BORING PEOPLE.

Being boring is the world's most effective vagina drying agent. Yet they themselves are utterly incapable of offering up entertainment save for what's between their legs. Women really aren't sentient beings the way men are. They are things to be acted upon, they are not actors themselves. They are simply objects in space.

Quote: (02-03-2018 11:43 PM)bigolteddies Wrote:  

This is getting ridiculous. This past month i've banged these twins (at separate times) and they both had boyfriends. They showed no remorse at all. I've also seen many of my friends smash girls with boyfriends who, again, act like they're doing nothing wrong. Also keep in mind that these girl's boyfriends all look very beta and cucky, and are most likely clueless.

The last decade of my life I have primarily been hitting married women. Part of this comes down to screening, but the vast majority is about converting.

People have external and internal morals. I find that men tend to be much more reliant on internal moral codes, while women tend to rely very heavily on external morals. If society has no interest in condemning or punishing women for their behavior, then a good number of women will have no moral code.

I find that most wives have a trigger. Even in a happy relationship if you figure out what their needs are you can fairly easily find a way in if you are patient. The sad truth is that hypergamy doesn't take a day off, and it certainly doesn't stop after saying "I Do". Every woman that marries a man thinking that she will "change him" will become disenchanted when she can't change him, and downright hateful when she does change him.

Quote: (02-04-2018 09:58 AM)Casanova1004 Wrote:  

Pathetic beings. Another thread here and several men here who do not deserve their good wives.... they're clearly boasting on how they bang different girls every week and their wives know NOTHING about it.... No honor whatsoever

I will let you in on a secret. If you ever become engaged in an affair, you will find that it's the best sex you have ever had. It creates emotional highs nothing else can touch, and it's addictive like cocaine.

Honor is a useless belief. We don't live in a society that values it.

Quote: (02-04-2018 12:53 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I wonder if American girls/girls in big cities are sluts in particular, or guys here on RVF just hyper-notice it.

My experience: I can never get girls to cheat. Even if I assume 95% of the time they just say boyfriend as an excuse, the rest of the time when the interaction was strong and I was clearly a better/more fun option than their guy, they don't take it.

Where are you based..?