Quote: (01-26-2018 08:51 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2018 08:42 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Isn't that what the fight's all about?

Actually no. Although Russian speaking, Donetsk/Lugansk never had claims to independence or joining the Russian Federation, until a Western/US backed coup d'etat threw down a democratically elected president, to put on power a junta which the first thing they did was abolish the Russian language, the mother tongue of those people.

https://www.rt.com/news/minority-languag...raine-035/

Well, maybe they're not Russians... But when the clowns shot down a civilian airliner with a RUSSIAN surface to air missile, we have intercepted radio communications between the missile operators talking to their RUSSIAN KGB handler and the Ukrainians have captured RUSSIAN Spetznatz on the battlefield... Pretty safe to say the Russians are handedly involved. Agree?

Quote: (01-26-2018 08:55 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2018 08:51 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2018 08:42 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Isn't that what the fight's all about?

Actually no. Although Russian speaking, Donetsk/Lugansk never had claims to independence or joining the Russian Federation, until a Western/US backed coup d'etat threw down a democratically elected president, to put on power a junta which the first thing they did was abolish the Russian language, the mother tongue of those people.

https://www.rt.com/news/minority-languag...raine-035/

Well, maybe they're not Russians... But when the clowns shot down a civilian airliner with a RUSSIAN surface to air missile, we have intercepted radio communications between the missile operators talking to their RUSSIAN KGB handler and the Ukrainians have captured RUSSIAN Spetznatz on the battlefield... Pretty safe to say the Russians are handedly involved. Agree?

Yes, Russia is involved, like they are in Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Nagorno Karabakh, but Ukraine also have those missiles, there is fuselage that seems to have been shot by a fighter, which could have only been Ukrainian...there is no clear evidence of the rebels being responsible for the downing of that plane.

Anyway, back to the previous post about Russia cant Ukraine, the number of air squadrons of the Russian Federation is bigger than the number of Ukrainian aircraft....as for tank
squadrons they even are above the US Army numbers.

You believe everything that the US state department issues?

Quote: (01-26-2018 09:02 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2018 08:55 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2018 08:51 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2018 08:42 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Isn't that what the fight's all about?

Actually no. Although Russian speaking, Donetsk/Lugansk never had claims to independence or joining the Russian Federation, until a Western/US backed coup d'etat threw down a democratically elected president, to put on power a junta which the first thing they did was abolish the Russian language, the mother tongue of those people.

https://www.rt.com/news/minority-languag...raine-035/

Well, maybe they're not Russians... But when the clowns shot down a civilian airliner with a RUSSIAN surface to air missile, we have intercepted radio communications between the missile operators talking to their RUSSIAN KGB handler and the Ukrainians have captured RUSSIAN Spetznatz on the battlefield... Pretty safe to say the Russians are handedly involved. Agree?

Yes, Russia is involved, like they are in Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Nagorno Karabakh, but Ukraine also have those missiles, there is fuselage that seems to have been shot by a fighter, which could have only been Ukrainian...there is no clear evidence of the rebels being responsible for the downing of that plane.

Anyway, back to the previous post about Russia cant Ukraine, the number of air squadrons of the Russian Federation is bigger than the number of Ukrainian aircraft....as for tank
squadrons they even are above the US Army numbers.

You believe everything that the US state department issues?

Nope. I do not.

But there is compelling video of the exact same missile platform that was determined to have shot the plane down coming across the border with 3 missiles and returning across the border with only 2. That's a hell of a coincidence. Then there are the radio intercepts which have been broadcast all over the world. And then there are the captured Russian soldiers... Just trying to use logic here.

Could have been the rebels, could have been the Ukies....there is no proof so far.

Why would you send out a radio transmission saying, "Oh shit! I think we just shot down a civilian airliner. There is luggage and plane seats and bodies falling all over." If that wasn't you? Then the person on the receiving end is KGB... Seems kinda unlikely. Where on earth would some rebels get a surface to air missile system?

The Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces kicked the Major General for speaking his mind in a news article and saying negative stuff about the defence and complaining it's too small. He thinks Sweden should try and build an army that will be equally strong as possible attacking nations, not let the size be dependent on the likelyhood of getting attacked or they could be fucked.

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl...edit-text=

Quote: (01-26-2018 09:22 PM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

He thinks Sweden should try and build an army that will be equally strong as possible attacking nations

That guy should be a comedian.

Quote: (01-26-2018 09:39 PM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

That guy should be a comedian.

Well, not literally but that the army should be more on par with other nations who might attack. I think that's a reasonable opinion to have.

If you build a defence's size solely based on predictions and the likelyhood of getting attacked you might get fucked over when you expect it the least. And I don't know. Sweden could have had more than decent defence if they hadn't gotten rid of so many awesome fighter aircrafts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen

Why on earth would Russia need to take over either country? Regarding ukraine seems to be a lot of cnn/rt in here, the truth is easily explained, especially 3 years later.

Quote: (01-26-2018 09:52 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

Why on earth would Russia need to take over either country?

I'm sure Russia would want Norway...control of ports, oil, defensive positions etc. I would even guess that Sweden is just a first move to get Norway.

Quote: (01-26-2018 09:49 PM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

Sweden could have had more than decent defence if they hadn't gotten rid of so many awesome fighter aircrafts.

Sweden should have followed Russia's lead and focussed on air defence ground capability.

You guys talking like nuclear weapons dont exist. They could take Norway but at what cost? Until either side creates a weapon that stops nukes its all just day dreaming until actual mad men get ahold of them. See India and Pakistan.

Quote: (01-26-2018 10:20 PM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2018 09:52 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

Why on earth would Russia need to take over either country?

I'm sure Russia would want Norway...control of ports, oil, defensive positions etc. I would even guess that Sweden is just a first move to get Norway.

Ports for what? Russia exports oil via pipeline and imports crap via rail with China. Since Norways oil is all offshore it wouldnt really be feasible for them to extract it under heavy sanctions. Nor does Russia have some lack of oil, they are still drilling from old geological surveys done by the soviet union and pumping as much as arab countries. You really gotta lay off the msm for a while. Defensive position for what? from who? and how would it not just make their situation worse??

Lets hope Russia stops the Sweden Caliphate before its unleashed

It's been mentioned before here, but Russia is not on the agenda of Sweden's government.

They know what is coming:






+ Relative to the population there are a huge amount of explosive/grenade attacks in Sweden - if that were the US, then there would be 6000 grenade attacks
+ recently cops were beginning to fight against the criminal gangs, but it resulted in their private cars being blown to bits and in some cases family members of police officers getting kidnapped! This is a Mexico-ization of the country!
+ A few months ago the Swedish government sent out 4.7 mio. leaflets to all Swedish households on how to prepare in the even of war or major terrorist attack:



The last time Sweden did this was during WWII.

They know what is coming up - and it's about as idiotic as the Russia collusion story.

Quote: (01-27-2018 12:46 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

and in some cases family members of police officers getting kidnapped! This is a Mexico-ization of the country!

Do you have a source for that?

I've heard of a police who had his house peppered by rifle shots in the middle of the night but never of relatives getting kidnapped.

< Check out PeterSweden's twitter, youtube - you can even contact him on Twitter - I am sure he will send you the link to the articles.

A lot of the stuff is barely mentioned by the local press there, but when the leftist-feminist politicians are speaking of war against the gangs, then I guess that things are starting to get out of control. They know that the next stage could no longer be controlled. In addition you have to remember that in most Western countries the cops are arresting 1-2 terrorists per day - otherwise you would have bloodshed almost every day. The UK arrests 500 per year - some of them with ready-made plans.

Sweden in addition has the problem of drug/illegal weapons/sharia-zone gangs flexing their muscles and eliminating rule of law in parts of the country. It was Norway last year which said that they are preparing for a collapse of Sweden and fortifying their borders. They are not concerned about Russia, but they do think that the Swedish diversity will want to enrich them too.

Quote: (01-27-2018 10:50 AM)oilbreh Wrote:  

Ports for what? Russia exports oil via pipeline and imports crap via rail with China. Since Norways oil is all offshore it wouldnt really be feasible for them to extract it under heavy sanctions. Nor does Russia have some lack of oil, they are still drilling from old geological surveys done by the soviet union and pumping as much as arab countries. You really gotta lay off the msm for a while. Defensive position for what? from who? and how would it not just make their situation worse??

Norway had a (fictional) TV series a couple of years ago called "Occupied" that was about a Russian invasion for the purpose of control of oil and gas production.

Of course it was fiction, but it did raise a few eyebrows and fake protest from Russia...igniting Cold War fears etc.

But if there is a civil war coming, I cannot simply see muslim gangs winning. Maybe it will resemble asymmetrical long drawn war instead of cleaning house to house (like in Stalingrad) and they will evade becoming caliphate? Anyway that story about Sweden becoming part of caliphate doesn't add up to me when I look at these recent events.

I guess Sweden Yes! is the first again. I would have thought France might have kicked off first, but Sweden Yes! is once again number 1.

Quote: (01-27-2018 06:23 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

I guess Sweden Yes! is the first again. I would have thought France might have kicked off first, but Sweden Yes! is once again number 1.

Sweden is a country led by a government that can only be described as pure total treason - they are literally the enemy of the Swedes:








https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2017/...dsson-nbsp

This Iranian Christian convert who converted to Christianity in 2014 and fled to Sweden - she is deported. The reason they rejected her request for asylum was that it is her own fault for leaving Islam! Hungary took her in, so she won't be killed, but still...

Meanwhile returning ISIS fighters who posed with beheaded bodies just a short time ago are given free housing, new protected identity (!!!!!) and extra aid to "reintegrate" into society. I guess it is not their own fault for having beheaded for ISIS?

Seriously - anyone who doubts that the Sweden and the EU are not led by people who want to destroy all the Western nations is deluding himself.

Why else would you deport fitting Christian converts and import West-hating Jihadis?


These guys welcome! What can go wrong? (Actual examples of returnees.)

The only reason would be because you hate the Swedes and want to burn the society - then it makes perfect sense.

Quote: (01-27-2018 02:17 PM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2018 10:50 AM)oilbreh Wrote:  

Ports for what? Russia exports oil via pipeline and imports crap via rail with China. Since Norways oil is all offshore it wouldnt really be feasible for them to extract it under heavy sanctions. Nor does Russia have some lack of oil, they are still drilling from old geological surveys done by the soviet union and pumping as much as arab countries. You really gotta lay off the msm for a while. Defensive position for what? from who? and how would it not just make their situation worse??

Norway had a (fictional) TV series a couple of years ago called "Occupied" that was about a Russian invasion for the purpose of control of oil and gas production.

Of course it was fiction, but it did raise a few eyebrows and fake protest from Russia...igniting Cold War fears etc.

Why did you bother typing out a response about some tv show? Does Independence Day mean I should be getting ready to fight aliens?

Quote: (01-27-2018 04:56 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

But if there is a civil war coming, I cannot simply see muslim gangs winning. Maybe it will resemble asymmetrical long drawn war instead of cleaning house to house (like in Stalingrad) and they will evade becoming caliphate? Anyway that story about Sweden becoming part of caliphate doesn't add up to me when I look at these recent events.

The idea is never to win. The idea is create disruption and then sell a "compromise of freedoms" as the cure for a return to peace.

The military will roll over the no-go zones easily enough but as soon as they pull out the same problems will creep back in. The justification will then exist to create the technologically enforced police state the elites have desperately wanted for so long.

Quote: (01-27-2018 06:44 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

Does Independence Day mean I should be getting ready to fight aliens?

Yes mate, that's the logical conclusion.

Quote: (01-27-2018 07:21 PM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2018 06:44 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

Does Independence Day mean I should be getting ready to fight aliens?

Yes mate, that's the logical conclusion.

So what are you trying to say