Quote: (11-20-2017 07:48 PM)zoom Wrote:  

^^ Also, it doesn't mean that his wife works outside the house. They could both stay at home. I don't know his exact situation though.

His wife is a psychologist, this is why he gets to stay home.

Quote: (11-20-2017 08:31 PM)Kinder Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2017 06:35 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I remember him stating that he's a stay at home dad. That's a bit too progressive for me.

He successfully runs his show from his home so I do not see why this would be that big of a deal.

Btw, do you still plan on settling in a LTR? I have not heard any updates on this for a while.

Quote: (11-20-2017 09:07 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

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Btw, do you still plan on settling in a LTR? I have not heard any updates on this for a while.

NOT AN ARGUMENT

This is a projection on your part though.

My question was made out of genuine curiosity, it wasn't a snarky rhetoric to try to undermine Roosh's comment. What you quoted me on has nothing to do with my first statement but I thought I could seize the opportunity of addressing Roosh to also get the update on where he stands on that issue at that moment if he felt like sharing it.

Quote: (11-20-2017 05:58 PM)churros Wrote:  

That video is good, but his over-arching explanation i.e that the state is what undermined traditional gender relations, is nonsense. Single mothers are a minority.

With all due respect I think you're underestimating the reach of the government into intimate relationships. Roughly 40% of births in America are out of wedlock, and the divorce rate is 50%. So while children coming from broken homes are a minority; they're certainly not rare. Lets not forget that 90% of welfare recipients are single mothers!

Not to mention 100% of women know they can go after a man for child support if they get knocked up; married or not, and if they get him to put a ring on it they can divorce rape him. Maybe getting alimony sometimes for life in states like Florida and California. Or at least a large cash settlement carving up his savings, house, and retirement funds in the process. Who pays for all of this? Men. We're the majority of taxpayers. Not to mention the overwhelming majority of child support and alimony payors. But unlike the before they 1960's this wealth transfer is involuntary, and we don't even get a whiff of pussy in return. Hell the government attempts to imprison us if we use whatever money we have left over to pay for pussy directly!

Quote: (11-20-2017 05:58 PM)churros Wrote:  

The real explanation is very simple. As technological and managerial work grew in the West, corresponding to the decline in physical labour, women got more jobs.

I don't think that explains anything. How many female managers were there in the 1950's? How many females were employed as engineers, scientists, or other technical positions? Take a quick look at the gender composition of any STEM course at your local university. Check out the gender composition of fortune 500 CEO's or small business owners pulling in more then $500,000 a year in revenue. As a group women aren't well suited to that type of work.

Quote: (11-20-2017 05:58 PM)churros Wrote:  

So the free market, which Molyneux believes is miraculous and efficient, is precisely what gave women their jobs. And now he wants to remove those jobs? Sounds like COMMUNISM

Did the free market give women jobs? Or did feminist legislation such as: Affirmative Action, Title IX, Title VII, female only scholarships, The Fair Pay Act, rulings by activist judges, The White House Counsel on Women and Girls, etc. Not to mention a constant propaganda campaign driving women into the workforce by playing on their fears that their husband would leave them; condemning them and their children to a life of poverty. Regardless of the cause women are now more or less forced to work. Nearly doubling the size of the workforce by including women, and bringing in waves of immigrants has had a disastrous effect on wages in the labor market. In order to be able to maintain a decent standard of living both parents have to work now. Even though according to surveys most women would rather be a stay at home wife. Thanks feminism and open borders advocates!

Stefan's recent interview with Tom Woods was very good. Woods is a solid guy who puts out a lot of good content.

This is an interesting episode because it shows what is happening after the Trump victory, and can happen anytime WINNING takes place. You get fakers who are actually haters of the victors pretending to be supporters. We can see this on this forum when guys who hate game come here and ask why they fail and hate on the answers. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is here on RVF somewhere posting the usual America-hate disguised as frustration with women in his town. At least he has a GF that allows him to leech!

This envy of success comes in the form of his words claiming to be a conservative but his actions are that he lives off his GF and runs a very unsuccessful YT channel, and whines at Stef, defends videos attacking Cernovich, etc. He is here to sabotage good ideas not to promote them. I said this on a burner YT comment: He (the caller not Stefan) is the pod-caster equivalent of someone who keys nice cars just because they are nice.

Gonna go out on a limb here.

I've had it with Moly and Styx. Youtube E-Sleb pundits. Fuck them.

I've been watching them for a while now. Closely. Doing research.

Academics please respond!


They won't do fuck all that upsets their demographic.

Roosh has the right idea.

He has a bit of a presence on youtube, but he doesn't use that as his main platform to panhandle. He just uses it to shitpost.

The moral cowardice of Moly and Styx sickens me. I want nothing to do with them. I'm dropping out of this party. I'll think less of you if you like them.

Also, Black Pigeon? Love the guy, but for fuck's sake how the fuck can you listen to a guy with such a bad speech impediment? Prosody? Have you heard of it?

I'm sorry for posting some vids by these clown before, it won't happen again.

Quote: (01-21-2018 11:28 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

This is an interesting episode because it shows what is happening after the Trump victory, and can happen anytime WINNING takes place. You get fakers who are actually haters of the victors pretending to be supporters. We can see this on this forum when guys who hate game come here and ask why they fail and hate on the answers. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is here on RVF somewhere posting the usual America-hate disguised as frustration with women in his town. At least he has a GF that allows him to leech!

This envy of success comes in the form of his words claiming to be a conservative but his actions are that he lives off his GF and runs a very unsuccessful YT channel, and whines at Stef, defends videos attacking Cernovich, etc. He is here to sabotage good ideas not to promote them. I said this on a burner YT comment: He (the caller not Stefan) is the pod-caster equivalent of someone who keys nice cars just because they are nice.

Who are you talking about?

Quote: (06-12-2016 05:09 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

I don't know how you guys can watch him anymore. His videos are just so universally negative and depressing now. I always half expect his next video to be "So I've Decided to Off Myself".

I hate to push a short comment. But a pithy like this one deserves and answer.
"His videos are just so universally negative and depressing now."

It sure seems so. Therefore, the corrective Rx is to take SM in smaller, more digestible doses, methinks. (At least it sure seems to work for me!)

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:23 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2018 11:28 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

This is an interesting episode because it shows what is happening after the Trump victory, and can happen anytime WINNING takes place. You get fakers who are actually haters of the victors pretending to be supporters. We can see this on this forum when guys who hate game come here and ask why they fail and hate on the answers. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is here on RVF somewhere posting the usual America-hate disguised as frustration with women in his town. At least he has a GF that allows him to leech!

This envy of success comes in the form of his words claiming to be a conservative but his actions are that he lives off his GF and runs a very unsuccessful YT channel, and whines at Stef, defends videos attacking Cernovich, etc. He is here to sabotage good ideas not to promote them. I said this on a burner YT comment: He (the caller not Stefan) is the pod-caster equivalent of someone who keys nice cars just because they are nice.

Who are you talking about?

It's only obvious if you listen to the link I posted.

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

Gonna go out on a limb here.

I've had it with Moly and Styx. Youtube E-Sleb pundits. Fuck them.

I've been watching them for a while now. Closely. Doing research.

Academics please respond!


They won't do fuck all that upsets their demographic.

Roosh has the right idea.

He has a bit of a presence on youtube, but he doesn't use that as his main platform to panhandle. He just uses it to shitpost.

The moral cowardice of Moly and Styx sickens me. I want nothing to do with them. I'm dropping out of this party. I'll think less of you if you like them.

Also, Black Pigeon? Love the guy, but for fuck's sake how the fuck can you listen to a guy with such a bad speech impediment? Prosody? Have you heard of it?

I'm sorry for posting some vids by these clown before, it won't happen again.

Can you describe their demographic and give examples of their moral cowardice, thanks.

Remarkable Vigour

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

I've had it with Moly and Styx. Youtube E-Sleb pundits. Fuck them.

They won't do fuck all that upsets their demographic.

I'm not so sure of that. I followed him even back in 2011 and he was even talking about open boarders back then. And two years ago or something he started to put several videos up about closed boarders, race and IQ, which I know scared a lot of people away. I used to read this libertarian forum before and a lot of them were upset with him even though he was totally right.

In the bigger perspective Molyneux has done far more good for the world than most people, I think it's disrespectful to talk like that considering that.

I mean, your post just basically consists of a bunch of ad hominems and you didn't really go into depth and be specific of exactly why you think he doesn't do anything that can upset his audience and perhaps bring up a few examples? I think your post came off as a bit of an emotional outburst, not very nuanced.

Quote: (01-22-2018 08:45 AM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

I've had it with Moly and Styx. Youtube E-Sleb pundits. Fuck them.

They won't do fuck all that upsets their demographic.

I'm not so sure of that. I followed him even back in 2011 and he was even talking about open boarders back then. And two years ago or something he started to put several videos up about closed boarders, race and IQ, which I know scared a lot of people away. I used to read this libertarian forum before and a lot of them were upset with him even though he was totally right.

In the bigger perspective Molyneux has done far more good for the world than most people, I think it's disrespectful to talk like that considering that.

I mean, your post just basically consists of a bunch of ad hominems and you didn't really go into depth and be specific of exactly why you think he doesn't do anything that can upset his audience and perhaps bring up a few examples? I think your post came off as a bit of an emotional outburst, not very nuanced.

Molyneux annoyed incredible amounts of people and still does when he went from a libertarian viewpoint to nationalist viewpoint, his views are actually beginning to line up with more Red Ice which is pretty damn amazing and triggering for the entire left. Heartening. He's not breaking out the JQ like Red Ice, but their big big non subtle hints every so often that he agrees with those ideas. In a time of crisis.

I know some will say "He's riding the fad money brigade, the fucking jew cut of him", but I'm not one of those people who goes "a person should always think what he thinks, now and forever more", that's utter bollix for thinking and striving men and women, I mean that's why most of us made it to this forum and decided to stay.

I'll probably change again on some things, in a year or two and I hope, I'd be worried if I didn't.

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

Gonna go out on a limb here.

I've had it with Moly and Styx. Youtube E-Sleb pundits. Fuck them.

I've been watching them for a while now. Closely. Doing research.

Academics please respond!


They won't do fuck all that upsets their demographic.

Roosh has the right idea.

He has a bit of a presence on youtube, but he doesn't use that as his main platform to panhandle. He just uses it to shitpost.

The moral cowardice of Moly and Styx sickens me. I want nothing to do with them. I'm dropping out of this party. I'll think less of you if you like them.

Also, Black Pigeon? Love the guy, but for fuck's sake how the fuck can you listen to a guy with such a bad speech impediment? Prosody? Have you heard of it?

I'm sorry for posting some vids by these clown before, it won't happen again.

So let's get this straight. Stefan's views have evolved over time - probably pissing off some of his more libertarian audience - and he won't do fuck all that upsets his demographics?

Stefan went from an AtheistKult viewpoint of Christianity and religion to one that actually acknowledges the important foundations they provided. Stefan has interviewed plenty of people all across the spectrum. Even if you dislike him, he actually cares about the truth and finding it.

He might be wrong about different subjects, but he's genuine and any conversation you have with him will be such.

As for Styx, I've only encountered him in the last year, but I've enjoyed his videos. Does he try to hold on very strictly to his libertarianism? He does. But good for him. I don't see why it necessary to bash someone because they stick to the foundations of what they believe. That used to be commendable.

Your criticism of Black Pigeon speaks is because of his supposed speech impediment? Ignoring all of his content to focus on a speech impediment that somehow makes his content less worthy?

I can't see how any of your criticism is enough to encourage any of the rest of us to "leave" the party.

Styx was one of the first folks to predict a Trump win ( along with the Dilbert guy) I enjoy watching selected videos of his from time to time and I like the way Stefan uses philosophy logic and evidence to argue his point.

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

The moral cowardice of Moly and Styx sickens me. I want nothing to do with them. I'm dropping out of this party. I'll think less of you if you like

There are a few things I don't like about Molyneux of late. If you go back and watch his earlier shows a lot of them were of him debunking religion, Christianity, and God. He was a staunch atheist and almost never shut up about it. Today of course he realises that there are a lot of Christians on the Right who are now a part of his demographic, so he never mentions it anymore. Maybe I'm being too hard on him, and it's only right and proper that he doesn't want to kiss off his alies. But I used to enjoy his anti-religion shows.

Another thing that rubs me the wrong way is his exploitation of the #metoo assault stuff as a way to demonize Hollywood. I have no issues with demonizing Hollywood, but Stefan treated a lot of these stories without a much needed pinch of salt, which is very strange coming from a man who is red pilled about women.

@Rigsby - Black Pigeon's """speech impediment""" is actually a Quebec accent. If you listen to videos of Ivan Doroschuk, the lead singer of Men Without Hats and another Quebecois, speaking, his (Ivan's) accent is very similar to BPS.

BP's is more of a Jewish Canadian accent, whereas Ivan's accent is an allophone-anglophone accent. BP looks exactly like he sounds.

Molyneux' contribution is positive overall, he's got some solid lectures like the ones on the downfalls of promiscuity and single motherhood, but on the minus column, he's a fairly manipulative person and a bit fake and borderline cultish. Glad to have him on our side though.

Styx fundamentally comes across as an unserious guy. Obviously the giveaway is his trademark goofy leather jacket and so on, but even if you look past that and just try to focus on his content, he's off. He's (presumably) single and holed up in in rural New England with his broadband internet and all the best stuff a functioning society can offer a modern-day hermit, and it shows. Disengaged, glib, content to earn YouTube dollars and please his audience while engaging in no real struggle. He's no more than a LARPer, a video gamer, and a 4chan dude in the end.

As for Molyneux, not sure where he can go from here. He's a level above Styx in intellect and seriousness, but he's still theatrical and egotistical, and suffers from crowd-pleasing syndrome.

As far as current right-wing thought leaders go, I would take Vox Day over Styx and Molyneux. He's actually just as annoying and egotistical as them, but he actually does stuff over and above talk. Infogalactic is an alternative to Wikipedia, its success is far from certain but that's the kind of thing we need. And publishing comics and science fiction that isn't SJW bullshit is making a genuine contribution.

Quote: (01-22-2018 08:44 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

The moral cowardice of Moly and Styx sickens me. I want nothing to do with them. I'm dropping out of this party. I'll think less of you if you like

There are a few things I don't like about Molyneux of late. If you go back and watch his earlier shows a lot of them were of him debunking religion, Christianity, and God. He was a staunch atheist and almost never shut up about it. Today of course he realises that there are a lot of Christians on the Right who are now a part of his demographic, so he never mentions it anymore. Maybe I'm being too hard on him, and it's only right and proper that he doesn't want to kiss off his alies. But I used to enjoy his anti-religion shows.

You are wrong. Molyneuxs view of religion has changed as he has encountered new evidence. Consider this, there is no evidence of gods or anything like that so why has religion existed for thousands of years and continues to exist. It is not just about the elite using it as a means of controlling the masses, its about ordinary people using it because it benefits them too, hence Jordan Petersons stuff.

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Another thing that rubs me the wrong way is his exploitation of the #metoo assault stuff as a way to demonize Hollywood. I have no issues with demonizing Hollywood, but Stefan treated a lot of these stories without a much needed pinch of salt, which is very strange coming from a man who is red pilled about women.

This is wrong as well, Molyneux is not particularly red pilled about women. however, this is a benefit as his show is best thought of as a gateway into reality. You can't dump reality all at once on the normies, they won't believe you, it would be all too much.

If you have ever tried dropping game concepts to non aware normies you will understand this.

Remarkable Vigour

Quote: (01-21-2018 11:28 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

This is an interesting episode because it shows what is happening after the Trump victory, and can happen anytime WINNING takes place. You get fakers who are actually haters of the victors pretending to be supporters. We can see this on this forum when guys who hate game come here and ask why they fail and hate on the answers. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is here on RVF somewhere posting the usual America-hate disguised as frustration with women in his town. At least he has a GF that allows him to leech!

This envy of success comes in the form of his words claiming to be a conservative but his actions are that he lives off his GF and runs a very unsuccessful YT channel, and whines at Stef, defends videos attacking Cernovich, etc. He is here to sabotage good ideas not to promote them. I said this on a burner YT comment: He (the caller not Stefan) is the pod-caster equivalent of someone who keys nice cars just because they are nice.

Uh... Stefan behaving like a little bitch in this video. Not a credible intellectual.

watched quite a few Stefan Molo videos lately. This guy is villing to bend time and space to find an argument that fits his world view.


Watching all his inzanity packed into one video was quite entertaining.

Quote: (01-22-2018 08:13 AM)remarkable vigour Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

Gonna go out on a limb here.

I've had it with Moly and Styx. Youtube E-Sleb pundits. Fuck them.

I've been watching them for a while now. Closely. Doing research.

Academics please respond!


They won't do fuck all that upsets their demographic.

Roosh has the right idea.

He has a bit of a presence on youtube, but he doesn't use that as his main platform to panhandle. He just uses it to shitpost.

The moral cowardice of Moly and Styx sickens me. I want nothing to do with them. I'm dropping out of this party. I'll think less of you if you like them.

Also, Black Pigeon? Love the guy, but for fuck's sake how the fuck can you listen to a guy with such a bad speech impediment? Prosody? Have you heard of it?

I'm sorry for posting some vids by these clown before, it won't happen again.

Can you describe their demographic and give examples of their moral cowardice, thanks.

Remarkable Vigour

Sure I could. Quite a few examples.

Usually when I do this, I get no reply

No one listens to youtube pundits anymore. This is 2018. Are you honestly telling me you listen to molyneux or BPS or styx? Any of them?

Roosh gets a pass because it's not his main gig. He's not a pundit. He's already got a couple of well established gigs set up. He doesn't need to panhandle on youtube. His content is the fresher and the better for it. Though I only listen to it now and again.

I check styx, molyneux, bps et all almost daily, as a form of research.

Do you still want me to describe their demographic and give examples of their moral cowardice?

If you like them, enjoy them. Donate to them. Don't feel bad about it, we've all been there. But there comes a time to move on. To recognize that these people offer no solutions.

Maybe it's just me.

Tell me how they have bettered your life and I will answer your question as best I can.

Quote: (01-22-2018 08:45 AM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2018 10:01 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

I've had it with Moly and Styx. Youtube E-Sleb pundits. Fuck them.

They won't do fuck all that upsets their demographic.

I'm not so sure of that. I followed him even back in 2011 and he was even talking about open boarders back then. And two years ago or something he started to put several videos up about closed boarders, race and IQ, which I know scared a lot of people away. I used to read this libertarian forum before and a lot of them were upset with him even though he was totally right.

In the bigger perspective Molyneux has done far more good for the world than most people, I think it's disrespectful to talk like that considering that.

I mean, your post just basically consists of a bunch of ad hominems and you didn't really go into depth and be specific of exactly why you think he doesn't do anything that can upset his audience and perhaps bring up a few examples? I think your post came off as a bit of an emotional outburst, not very nuanced.

Ok, you are right. I was ranting a bit. Given. Apologies. I can be a bit of an idiot sometimes. I'm not always cool calm surgically measured to take a man out when I get him in my sights. Busted.

But I stand by my analysis. As poorly worded as it was.

I lost that one. You are right.

When I go in to battle next time with regard to this argument, I won't make the same mistake.