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Most alpha culture in high-income, industrialized world?
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Most alpha culture in high-income, industrialized world?

Background: A powerful modern Republic

Turkey is a mighty Republic. Its three times bigger than Germany, and four times bigger than United Kingdom. Its way bigger than France or Spain or Italy as well. Hell, it is bigger than Ukraine with Crimea as well.

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Turkey is also on track to become the largest population of Europe (NATO). Turkish is a high income industrialized nation-state and its fertility is very stable around 2.17. Turkish average per capita income is approximately $27,500 accounted for in purchasing power. On top of that, Turkey has a massive modern military force with a state of the art military industry and giant technological partnerships such as being a member of F-35 program and so on).

Turkey is an undisputed powerhouse and a geopolitical giant in the region. It is the most powerful nation-state in Eastern, Southern, and Central Europe (NATO). Its economic might, military prowess, and influence far surpasses any other European nation's in Eastern, Southern, and/or Central Europe. (I'm not taking Russia as "European" here). Only Germany, France, and UK are ahead of Turkey in terms of over-all power (which mainly arises from economic strength of these nations, especially for Germany. Militarily, Turkish military is more powerful than downsized, restrained German forces).


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Turkey's modern European-Islamic identity [/U]

Modern Turkish identity has consolidated in the image of Islam and wider Islamic Civilization.Turkey is a very Europeanized country due to their historical legacy of staying the dominant power of Europe for centuries and than later on becoming a Republic integrated into European institutions like NATO and so on. However, Turkey is a country with long-held Islamic roots and Turkish culture holds Islam as a central pillar of society and regards it in a very high esteem--unlike christianity in europe (and elsewhere) which is a dead, humiliated, defeated horse of past and even "christians" don't respect/follow/adhere to it and mostly just disregard it (especially true in Europe and 70% of America).

Modern Turkish culture: Most Alpha in Europe in every way

Turkish culture is most alpha in Europe as well--and especially when it comes to girls. Turkish girls aren't sloots like Western women generally are. They are cultured, modern, and are brought up to stay loyal to their husbands. They generally settle down to establish thriving families. Majority of people I've talked to here agree that getting married, having kids, discouraging abortion, living a more "traditional" life, being conservative (socially i.e keeping your culture, staying with your own kind, protecting your heritage by not blindly allowing uncontrolled immigrations and so on), marrying within your own race, and keeping your "identity" and not letting "outsiders" to come to your land and dilute its purity are some of the critical traits that great cultures should possess.

In this context--which European-NATO nation has most of the above things more than others? No contest--Turkey!

Turkey far surpasses any other European nation when it comes to possessing these superior cultural traits. Let's dissect modern cultural institutions and norms in Turkey vis-a-vis Europe

Marriage

Marriage is central to social life and religious practice of Muslims throughout the Islamic world [and] as well as in the United States.

Source: Encyclopedia of Women & Islamic Cultures: Family, Body, Sexuality ..., Volume 3

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statisticse...statistics

It is no surprise then to see that Turkey, whose culture is deeply rooted in Islam and Islamic values, has the highest marriage rates in Europe and even entire OECD (organization of all developed nation of the world). Marriage rate in Turkey is 7.8, which is almost DOUBLE than that of EU average of mere 4.2

Source: [/url]https://www.oecd.org/els/family/SF_3_1_M..._rates.pdf[/url]

Remember, these rates are for populations of hundreds of millions. The mere difference of 0.5 is a gigantic difference here, and to have a difference of 3.5 is just phenomenal. Turkish culture gets it right when it comes to establishing strong familial institutions based on bond of marriage etc. It also shows that Turkish girls aren't like European whorish babes who have multiple sex partners throughout their 20's and even early 30's.

Births out of wedlock

Having births out of wedlock is one of the most significant indicator of fall of superior cultural traits in a given community. In U.S, majority of births among black community occur out of wedlock, and this perpetuates the cycle of poverty, violence, and under-achievement within the black community. Studies after studies have shown that kids with married parents are most likely to grow up in a holistic and more content manner--necessary for their future success.

Let's take a look at the issue of births in order to compare Europe and Turkey. According to the latest EU statistics:

"The proportion of live births outside marriage in the EU-28 in 2012 was 40 %. It has continued to increase, signalling new patterns of family formation alongside the more traditional pattern where children were born within marriage. Extramarital births occur in non-marital relationships, among cohabiting couples and to lone parents — outnumbering births inside marriages in several EU Member States.

In seven Member States the majority of live births were outside marriage: Bulgaria (59.1 % in 2013), Estonia (58.4 % in 2012), Slovenia (58.0 % in 2013), France (56.7 % in 2012), Sweden (54.4 % in 2013), Belgium (52.3 % in 2012) and Denmark (51.5 % in 2013). An even higher proportion of live births outside of marriage was registered in 2012 in Iceland (66.9 %)

On the opposite spectrum however, In Turkey more than 97 % of the births happened within marriage."

Source: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-...statistics

Turkey's institutional and cultural set up nurtures good values, healthy upbringing, and Islamically upright identity in its population. This creates a very fulfilling and nurturing culture....unlike the dysfunctional culture(s) of Europe where almost half of births happen outside the bond of marriage.

Abortions: Turkey and West

Abortion is legal in Turkey until 10th week of pregnancy. Unlike Catholicism/Evangelical Christianity, Islam does not believe that life begins at conception. Under Islamic Shari'ah, life or soul is breathed into the fetus until after 120 days of pregnancy. Therefore, Islam is a bit more lenient when it comes to abortions than say conservative Christianity. Despite that, abortions are not very prevalent in Turkish society. Women are expected to remain virgin until marriage and premarital sex is strictly looked down upon. Overwhelming majority of Turkish girls establish long term martial relationships within which they establish sexual bonds with their male partners---and lay the foundations of a stable family and have kids.

In Turkey, merely ~5.8% of pregnancies are aborted due to reasons such as mother's health, complications in the fetus, and social pressures etc. Compare that with Europe where almost 1/3 of ALL pregnancies are aborted continent wide. In beta, alcoholic culture of Russia, 34.5% of all pregnancies result in abortion. In "conservative" United States, more than 20% of pregnancies are aborted by women.

Source: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/a...335pd.html

Such rampant prevalence of abortions in Europe, Russia, and United States is due to the fact that (mostly white) girls and women in these countries have uncontrolled premarital sexual endeavours with strangers, work fellows, friends, and acquaintances. Having drunken deprave sex, giving blowjobs, receiving facials, anal play, and swallowing different guys' ejaculation every other partying weekend is part of everyday life for Western girls in their 20's and even 30's etc. This results in lots of "unwanted" pregnancies and hence abortion is used as a form of birth control by many women in these socially in-ept cultures.


Alcohol Consumption

Alcohol is a vice that makes cultures lose their vitality in the long term. Uncontrolled alcohol consumption promotes promiscuous sex, fall in fertility of women consumers, and makes a culture socially weak overall. Turkey is probably "most alcoholic" country in the global Islamic world, and that's when overwhelming majority of Turks do not even drink alcohol, and completely refrain from it altogether.

Let's compare Turkey's alcohol culture with that of mass alcohol prevalence in European countries.

"At only 1.5 litres a year Turkey has the lowest per capita alcohol consumption rate in Europe, and approximately 83% of the population does not even try alcohol at all in their life times."

OECD data shows Turks only consume 1.5 liters of alcohol per capita, way below the 10.7-liter average of the EU. Similarly a 2010 WHO report shows that number hasn't changed much since 1961, and adds that Turkey has the highest rate of abstention among the countries listed; four-fifths of men (83.6 percent) and nearly all women (97.1 percent) abstain from alcohol, with 65 and 92 percent respectively having never had a drink in their lives. As for the young people -- 83.9 percent of Turks aged 15-24 have never once consumed alcohol, according to data from the Turkish Statistical Institute.

Source:http://www.theatlantic.com/international...it/276576/

Further governmental legislation against Alcohol

A parliamentary legislation passed in 2013 prohibited the sale of alcohol from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. and forbade the depiction of alcohol consumption on television, billboards, newspapers, storefronts and at festivals.

And that's when Turkey's Alcohol consumption is the lowest in Europe by magnitude of margins. The "least" alcohol consuming European nation (Italy) consumes almost 5x more Alcohol per capita than Turkey (where consumption is barely 1.5 litres per capita, and most consumption is restricted to a small group of people).

Liquor sales within 100 yards of a school or mosque are also banned in Turkey

Source:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05...91200.html

Clothes & Dressing

Majority of Turks wear clothing that adhere to Islamic standards. Therefore, one won't find majority of Turkish girls wearing short shorts or bikinis in summer etc.

As a whole--Turks are much more devout Muslims relative to atheistic/agnostic Europeans. Islam holds a central and remarkably influential role in Turkish culture, society, lifestyle, and even in politics.

Around 70% of Turkish women have worn hijabs at one point or the other! Around 50% of Turkish women/girls wear Hijab all the time in public.


SOURCE: Pew Research Center

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While (mostly) white girls and women in Europe wear short shorts, bikinis, and trashy revealing clothes to whore themselves---girls and women in Turkey generally dress fashionably with classy clothes adhering to public modesty and moral values inspired from Islam.

Healthy Demographics

For a high-income, industrialized country--Turkey has the best demographics in entire Western world, thanks to it's superior culture as discussed above. On average, Turkey adds nearly 1 million new members to its population via natural growth (new births minus total deaths) with a very healthy fertility rate (2.17 kids per woman on average). ENTIRE EU of 28 COUNTRIES lose population via natural decrease (Eurostat, 2016). More people die in Europe than new births every year. No wonder Europe is dying while Turkey is thriving with a vibrant culture and vitality.

CONCLUSION

The difference between Turkey and rest of Europe is quite apparent in terms of lifestyle, culture, and civilization. Turks live a modern life rooted in their long and highly cherished tradition of being an Islamic peoples. They have healthy family structure, their drinking rates are the lowest in Europe (and 83% people don't even touch alcohol ever), Turkey has highest marriage rates and some of the lowest divorce rates in Europe--and majority of Turks hold traditional views regarding family, reject sex-out-of-wedlock, and highly value their traditional religion, culture, and social values (Thanks to Islam's central role in Turkish culture). Compared to Europe, Republic of Turkey has the most alpha culture out there in the Western world.

In the industrialized, high-income world (20k+ GDP per capita PPP)---Turkey easily stands as having the most fittest social culture.
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Most alpha culture in high-income, industrialized world?

Let me guess.

You're Turkish?
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Quote: (01-17-2018 06:54 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

Let me guess.

You're Turkish?

No. Not Turkish, never been to Turkey.

Although I did quite a lot of research (Actual research, not just internet surfing) regarding social cultures of high-income, industrialized countries. I looked into cultural aspects such as;

1- Marriage/Divorce rates
2- Prevalence of premarital sex
3- Drugs/alcohol consumption rates
4- Popular modes of dressing
5- Social values surveys (To assess how traditional societies are in regards to their attitudes about sex, abortions, marriages, homosexuality, family, and so on)
6- Abortion rates
7- Religious adherence and practice
8-Fertility rates/Demographics
9- Births within marriage vs outside marriage
10- Violent crime rates (I focused on murders, rapes, and armed robberies)

And so on...

I basically tried to cover all macro trends and aspects that define the (social) culture of any nation. I even looked into cuisines of high-income countries (lol!) but could not objectively pinned down numerical value on it so did not include it in my analysis.

I compared high-income OECD countries. I used IMF's definition to define high-income countries (i.e 20k+ GDP per capita based on purchasing power parity in International dollars)

Israel and Turkey stood out in regards to having the best social culture despite being highly developed and rich societies.

Between Israel and Turkey, Turkey did better on almost ALL aspects bar fertility rate. Israel's fertility of 3 kids/woman is better than Turkey's ~2.2 kids per woman on average.

I can post results for Israel or S.Korea, or even Russia for that matter, if you want.

This is purely a fact-based, data driven thread...not some patriotic herp derp bullsh*t. I can provide further break down of data on each individual indicator, if anyone cares.


Turkey reflects the best social culture in high-income, industrialized world -----based on the indicators above.

There's just no two ways about it. I am more than happy if somebody shows me otherwise.
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Most alpha culture in high-income, industrialized world?

Normally when people post a new thread, there is something they hope to get out of it: a call to action, a PSA or an invitation to discuss a matter.

You just posted a personal opinion article the length of a Wikipedia page and I assume you took the effort to write and research all these data and its all for...?

Shit, I need a kebab.
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Quote: (01-17-2018 07:21 AM)Zerdame Wrote:  

Normally when people post a new thread, there is something they hope to get out of it: a call to action, a PSA or an invitation to discuss a matter.

You just posted a personal opinion article the length of a Wikipedia page and I assume you took the effort to write and research all these data and its all for...?

Shit, I need a kebab.

First thing, it's not just a random 'opinion' like most threads are posted on this forum.

This is a factual analysis of (social) cultures of industrialized world. I just posted the result of my data-driven research which shows that Turkey's social culture is the fittest/best in all of the rich, industrialized world (I did not looked into GCC, mind you. I don't consider them industrialized per say but that's another topic).

Secondly, this thread can be seen as me sharing information with the members and also a call to discussion as well.

You think Poland has a better social culture than Turkey? Sure, let's discuss it! You get the gist?
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The desperation and agenda blend is rife. The tone of the text kind of gives it away. You had me at Islam [Image: biggrin.gif]
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Quote: (01-17-2018 07:34 AM)Tyrion Wrote:  

I just posted the result of my data-driven research which shows that Turkey's social culture is the fittest/best in all of the rich, industrialized world

Okay. I still want my kebab though.
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I learned a couple things , but why the cheerleading tone.
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#9

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Exactly the kind of datasheet no one here gives a fuck about.

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Most alpha culture in high-income, industrialized world?

Quote: (01-17-2018 07:07 AM)Tyrion Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2018 06:54 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

Let me guess.

You're Turkish?

No. Not Turkish, never been to Turkey.

If you don't even make it to the airport before proclaiming it the most alpha country in the world, is that beta? [Image: banana.gif]
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Most alpha culture in high-income, industrialized world?

You know that the agent consent in Turkey is 12 right?

I mean lol, Turkey.

Deus vult!
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Most alpha culture in high-income, industrialized world?

I suspect OP would be disappointed and mighty angry to know the amount of highly desirable Turkish birds that wear skirts on heels while on holiday that have consumed alcohol with yours truly (a man of colour) and engaged in fornication out of wedlock.

If you want a place where women dress conservatively, do not drink, do not have sex out of wedlock and where Islam has major influence then Kuwait or Saudi Arabia got Turkey beat on all counts. Why compare those numbers with Europe and Christianity when they are in a complete different state of evolution ? The gulf states blows Turkey out on finances and money making opportunities too.

I could write a Datasheet on why turkey is the next Poosay Paradise but for reasons exactly opposite to the ones mentioned by OP. There are 2 kinds of Turkish people, one who supports Erdogan and one who longs for the reincarnation of Ataturk. All of the modern European minded turkish women falls in the second category and they cover up their true personalities to blend in and be socially acceptable as much as possible but then while on internships and office trips across Europe let their true colours out.

Turkish women are some of the most obedient, feminine, eager to please women in Europe let down by their callous men who chase western obese tourists with immense thirst. Turkish men want to marry a virgin but lose interest and respect in their girlfriends if they can succesfully engage them in premarital sex. It's a typical I don't wanna be a member of any club that would have me as a member syndrome. When Turkish men do have sex with their girlfriends they make zero effort to sexually please them or make it mutually exciting. So if you do have sex with a Turkish girl you will be a sex god to her and she will cook/clean for you. Their expectations have been set extremely low and we can thank the Turkish men and society for it.

As the country is getting more and more Western I predict in the next 5 years Turkey would be the sweet spot between conservative, feminine and women westernised enough for ONS. Similar to what Poland once was for Roosh in 2011.

Genetically Turkish women are diverse with stunning exotic honey glazed eyes. There is a lot of Slavic mix due to their occupation of the Balkans and a lot of mix with Bulgarians who settled in Turkey generations before so one can still find blondes and slavic looking women time to time along with lush tanned skin.

I would thank OP for bringing Turkey back on my radar. It's time for Napoleon to turn in to the Turkish Raider.

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I'm not looking to move to Turkey, but based on the facts the OP presented, I think their culture is getting some things right that we have fucked up in the US.

For people who are familiar with Turkish culture, how would you rate their cultural cohesiveness? Are they a high trust culture as the US was from after WWII through the early 60's, where you could leave your home unlocked and let your 5 year old children walk 10 blocks to kindergarten (as I and all my classmates did at that age)?

Basically, if you are Turkish, do you consider that you have a good life, and that being Turkish is a good thing?

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I love Turkey and think they are doing a lot of things right with their mix of modern western and traditional islamic features. All my experiences with their people and my time there have been very positive. Hopefully all of that will be preserved in the coming decades.

That said, this post reads a bit too much like a fantasy brag, especially given that the author has never even been there (dafuq???).

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In my opinion they have the hottest actresses on TV. Their TV series are regularly broadcast here in Croatia.
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I'd like to know where persian, turkish, indian women go on holiday to meet a handsome european such as myself.

It's not Turkey that's for sure.
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Coups are AL-FUH!

"Turkish coup d'état may refer to:

1960 Turkish coup d'état
1971 Turkish military memorandum
1980 Turkish coup d'état
1993 alleged Turkish military coup
1997 Turkish military memorandum
2003 Sledgehammer (coup plan)
2004 Sarıkız, Ayışığı, Yakamoz and Eldiven
2007 E-memorandum
2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt
2016 Turkish purges"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_co...7%C3%A9tat

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I am Turkish and OP is full of shit.
Yes there is Machoism ingrained into the Turkish culture but we too have unfortunately swallowed the SJW pill.
The new generation white collar Turkish milllenial is not that different from your average cuck in the west.

When Turkish girls go to Erasmus they become one of the biggest sluts since they are not afraid of getting slut shamed..
The new generation of guys are very very beta, but this is actually an advantage for the ones who have game, it makes it easier for us to swoop the sluts.

The most alpha culture in the developed world is probably in Spain, there is still some trace of Francos spirit.
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Quote: (01-17-2018 07:58 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

You know that the agent consent in Turkey is 12 right?

I mean lol, Turkey.

This is horse shit, it is 18
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Quote: (01-17-2018 06:44 AM)Tyrion Wrote:  

Turkey's modern European-Islamic identity

For the record, I shall preface this by saying - this is nothing against Turkish people individually... in fact I have had a Turkish gf, Turkish friends and I have enjoyed my time spent there.

Firstly, Turkey is not a European country. Geographically (and technically) a small portion of the country west of Istanbul is in the European continent, but culturally and religiously it's a Middle-Eastern nation, or the continent of Asia if you want to be pedantic about it.

Also, Islam is incompatible with true European values. Sorry if that upsets anyone, but it's the truth.

However, I will grant that Turkey is one of the more European-esque nations of the Middle-East due to it sharing a border with Europe and its higher levels of secularism compared to other Middle-Eastern nations.

Quote: (01-17-2018 06:44 AM)Tyrion Wrote:  

For a high-income, industrialized country

Turkey's GDP per capita nominal is:
- $10,800 (according to IMF / World Bank / UN) to $14,000 (according to tradingeconomics.com)

So, I'm not sure what your definition of "high-income country" is... but if it's anything above $10,000 GDP nominal then you're setting the bar pretty low. You used the PPP measurement, but it's better to have a direct USD nominal figure, considering it's 2018, therefore travel and currency exchange is common.

FYI, The World Bank classifies Middle Income Countries (MICs), which are defined as having a per capita gross national income of US$1,026 to $12,475, so I guess it falls into that category... or a bit above depending on which metric you choose to use.

However, it's true that Turkey has undergone strong economic growth in the past decades, and I agree that it will continue to grow in the future.

Quote: (01-17-2018 06:44 AM)Tyrion Wrote:  

It is no surprise then to see that Turkey, whose culture is deeply rooted in Islam and Islamic values.

Yehhhh... let me think about it... na mate, I'll give it a miss, thanks champ.
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Quote: (01-17-2018 09:23 AM)Blancpain Wrote:  

I am Turkish and OP is full of shit.

But I thought he drinks and he knows things...

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@Jungle

I agree that looking at PPP will be misleading, but so will looking at nominal GDP. Turkey is not a westernized country we don't have strong business ethics like you do, , tax evasion is ingrained to our culture, there is a huge black market economy. In the EU the portion of black market economy is relatively small compared to the GDP but trust me this is not the case in Turkey.

A lot of of employers pay their employees under the table, for example they report his wage as 1500tl to the government and pay the taxes based on that, they transfer 1500tl to his bank account every month and pay the remaining amount under the table. This is a very common practice. For example when I entered the job market in 2013, I was paid 2800tl every month, but the company reported my income to the government as 1100tl. Every month I'd see 1100tl in my bank account, the accountant would put the remainder amount in an envelope and give it to me.
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Quote: (01-17-2018 06:44 AM)Tyrion Wrote:  

(I'm not taking Russia as "European" here).
So in your (Turkish) mind Turkey is European, but Russia is not? Yeah, okay.
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Quote: (01-17-2018 09:06 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

I'd like to know where persian, turkish, indian women go on holiday to meet a handsome european such as myself.

It's not Turkey that's for sure.

Try Istanbul.
You'd be surprised.

The obvious picks for westernized Muslim/Indian girls are London and Paris though.
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