Keep it up. There were going to be bumps along the journey.

Tinder is not game in the sense I ever understood it.
If you can only get laid through Tinder you have zero game.

Wow, what an energizing evening.

If I could bottle up the way I feel right now, I'd always be on cloud 9.

I had a Tinder girl who I was messaging before I made this post come over tonight (I had already put in the work gaming her, we just needed our schedules to line up).

Just my type, artistic and decent body.

We watched a documentary on wolves, I definitely took some of the energy I gained from watching wild wolves hunt and fuck, channelling it into my sexual desire and through her. As a result, the sex was very animalistic.

She had a soothing voice and I loved playing push and pull with her. Grabbing her close to make out with her, then pushing her away. Then kissing very sensually before going full rogue. There was something about her that just charged me up inside, I feel quite energized right now and grounded.

So that's 16 or 17 notches total. 3 this past month (all Tinder).

I read Goldmund's camera game book earlier today and I'm going to apply it tomorrow.

This is probably one of the hotter girls I have had sex with, rate her a 6. Decent body, cute face and cool personality.

I thought about if I wanted this one because she was still off of Tinder and I decided it's okay. I know what I'm working towards and this isn't going to hurt my goal in the long-term.

(Still haven't re-downloaded the app)

Quote: (12-30-2017 12:47 AM)the1element Wrote:  

We watched a documentary on wolves, I definitely took some of the energy I gained from watching wild wolves hunt and fuck, channelling it into my sexual desire and through her. As a result, the sex was very animalistic.

Congrats for the bang and for inventing NatGeo game.

Quote: (12-29-2017 03:42 PM)the1element Wrote:  

Day 2 of no Tinder and I'm already feeling tempted.

Yes, I will be travelling so 40 really isn't a crazy goal. Even then, if I lived in a good city like Montreal or NYC I could probably get to 40.

Interesting observation about the area I live in, I think that's quite true. This place is pretty bleh when it gets cold like this but in the summer it isn't so bad though.

Kaotic, I read those threads and I think I'm going to start taking Phenibut to cure my issues..haha

I kid,

The threads did help though, its interesting seeing others perspectives of approach anxiety and how they dealt with it.

My issue with approach anxiety comes about when I'm in an environment where it would be strange to approach, or when I go to a place JUST to meet girls. It feels..weird to me.

Earlier today was a good example.

I was at a bookstore and saw these two cute girls.

What my brain wanted to do was go up to the one and say "hi, I like your style (she had an interesting style)" but then I rationalized it away saying that's a weird thing to do.

Now, if she was in the same section I was in I could easily have made a "passing" comment about some book or something about the environment. That would be no problem.

All of my approaches rely on the environment I am in.

If I see a group of girls looking at something, I'll saunter over and pretend to be looking at the same thing, making a passing comment about it.

Another example is if a girl is sitting on a bench relaxing, I'll sit next to her and state something about the park or area.

But actually walking up to a girl out of the blue who is obviously walking somewhere or is in an important conversation with her friends seems REALLY weird to me. It just doesn't feel right, I don't know why.

The thing is though, with the above game regarding relying on the environment I'm taking the power out of my hands. I'm relying on something out of my control.

It just feels really weird to approach someone out of the blue.

I do think what it comes down to is style, and I sort of need to find what I like ( I think ).

Let's say I had a solid way to meet girls. I would never approach a girl out of the blue, like classic PUA "Hi, I think you're cute yadadada" .

I don't have much of a problem talking to strangers, but there has to be a reason for it.

I went on a date with a girl earlier this year who I met on this bus, she was wearing a full on cycling suit. I sat next to her and asked

"Where the bike?"

Then took it from there.

But had she not have had the suit, I wouldn't have approached her.

Edit: I don't want this thread to turn into a pity-party about my approach issues.

This is your issue here, imo. Approaching to get their number and date them is a reason to approach in and of itself.

Your mentality towards approaching is completely out of whack, you seem to be aware of it and yet unwilling to overcome it. Talking to other humans is not weird. If you're in the bookstore example, simply ask her if she has any good book recommendations for you, bam ice broken approach made.

For me, it's weirder to not go after something you want in life, the whole mentality that you think chasing a dream is weird is going to limit you in every facet of life. If you want something you need to be willing to take it. You also need to be ready and willing to lose it. Not every approach will work, hell if you can get half of them to work you're doing really well. Learn from mistakes, accept and embrace failure and move onto the next chance to fail miserably.

You really need to change your mentality in regards to approaching and take control of the situation. If you think compliment game is weird, then use direction game (even in your home town and if you already know the answer) or whatever floats your boat. Find something that you're comfortable to ask and start with that.

It's sad how "mainstream" the idea that it's weird to talk to someone else is.

Alright gents,

Went downtown with the camera, a notepad and the desire to push through my anxiety and approach.

Unfortunately, the streets were empty. Not a soul.

That didn't stop me though, I drove to a bookstore and wandered around the departments.

I noticed this blonde who had this weird vibe to her, like she was really anxious or something. She was looking at some Fiction titles, I walked up to her and told her I was doing a photography project and asked if I could take her picture and ask a question.

She told me "No"

And then ignored me.

That kind of sucked but whatever I wasn't going to go home today until I did one approach.

I continued wandering around and noticed two artsy looking girls.

I approached them with the same opener

"Hi, I'm doing a photography project. Can I take your picture and ask you a question?"

These girls were game.

I wasn't really attracted to them but they provided a fun conversation.

The question I asked was

"What is something on your bucketlist that you are afraid you will never actually do?"

Here was her response...(it's okay to post pictures here? or is that a bad idea?)

^ That's a girl?

I think quitting Tinder is a good idea, you will always be dating down on Tinder as you're competing with so many men. The girls I meet in other ways are always better looking.

Strongly support this thread. I deleted Tinder a few weeks ago; I instantly felt better about myself.

I found it was functioning as something akin to pornography - it gave me a false impression that I had a shot at all these chicks I was swiping on, when the actual matches were low-quality and flaky. I realized that the things I would need to do to improve my Tinder game (get better photos and write an improved profile) required the same life-work that going out and meeting girls, so I decided to just cut it out entirely and force myself to meet girls in public.

Put another way, I allowed Tinder/other swipe apps to take my time and mental energy I should have been using to get my life right and game in real life.

Also found what someone else said in another thread, "there's no better way to kill your sense of self-worth than to swipe on one of these apps for 15 minutes." I would let a good day of momentum get undone with a few minutes of mindless swiping before bed, not matching with the girls I really wanted. In public I can approach those girls and at least I have a sporting chance.

I'm in, I just deleted it a few days ago. Its been pretty easy lately, the only 'game' or effort element to Tinder is time and money. The time to swipe, date, stay up all night, etc etc. The time it takes you away from other, more fruitful things. The money for dates and opportunity cost of the distraction. Im still on Bumble and that is good, but I am winding down and will delete it soon. As others have said, it has a porn quality to it, its a pointless distraction. And while I have met quality women, its very rare, and almost all flake or fly off after a date, because frankly women use it for sex too. I want to bring high quality women into my life, not the dregs swiping for sex. And all of these apps now are like Plenty of Fish, filled now with the left swipes of society. And even one night with one of these makes me kick myself, really hard.

Conversely, most women I have approached and dated, I am still friends with, and many pursue me back years later. I am currently seeing one again I connected to in 2013, who started reaching out to me out of the blue. From a street approach, 4 years ago.. The differences are undeniable, women you connect with via approach will always be connected to you on a much deeper level.

Errr I can't get laid on Tinder but I did have more matches in Moscow in 2 days that Melbourne in 2 months.I had like 2 matches in Melbourne and 11 in Moscow.When I changed location on Tinder that is..I'm not photogenic, never have been.

I've taken Tinder dates off other dudes.I've had mates Tinder dates jump to me IRL.These chicks look nothing like their pic.My mates show me the pic and say "This is what she looks like"
I reply "Cunt, I know what she looks like cause I'm looking at her and she looks nothing like the pic"

I've noticed this about mates on Tinder .The pic of the chick means everything.Matez have left me with their Tinder date and gone back to swiping.Ignoring all the chicks around them.

I only know of a couple of dudes that do well and they are all banging well below there SMV.They are joy of sex guys.One could put listick on a snake and fuck it.The other loves to be worshipped.Both mid40s saying they are 38.One other mate thinks every single woman is beautiful.All joy of sex guys.
I'm thrill of the hunt ,my ego is fed from doing Younger hotter tighter.None of the guys I describe above bang or pick up women younger than them.All banging older or same age..but these chicks think they got a younger guy.

So I put Tinder on my phone and get sick after rejecting everything.Give me a bar travel or the street anyday.I can't stomach it.I notice same guys can not game IRL anymore.Im not going to pick up 26 year olds as a 47 year old on Tinder.

Now my goodlooking mate is getting hit up for sugar daddy game on Tinder but he can't communicate with these chicks cause he is never out in the field gaming younger women.It's funny to watch.

roberto and kaotic pretty much covered what I was gonna say.

but I'd like to comment on this:

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OP, you sound like a young guy but to be honest one reason why I stay away from Tinder is because imagine the stigma that comes with you meeting a girl and dating here and then having to explain to friends/family that you met a girl through a dating(sex) app. I just can't say that with a straight face to my parents and face the humiliation and i'm not about to lie.

Really?! that's your biggest concern? do you also care if you meet a girl in las vegas vs suburbs / church vs bar?

Aren't the girls you meet in church possibly on tinder too?

while I agree tinder started as hook-up app (back in 2013?) but by 2014, everyone was pretty much on tinder, sluts, hookers, attention whores, traditional girls and even virgins!! I've seen it all

the guys that complain about only matching with 5's are usually the guys that aren't that great looking, I'm not saying they don't have game, but let's face it, good looking guys usually get the hottest girls on tinder!!

Sure 90% of girls on tinder are average - ugly looking, but there are plenty of 8's and 9's. When I was in college 3 years ago, most cheerleaders and other top girls at my school were on tinder, because "it was cool" back then

If you wanna get as many leads as possible, you gotta use all the tools available, I'm not only talking about tinder, ALL online tools + daytime and nightgame and social circle

You don't have to use online if you don't want to, but you're definitely missing on some leads, simple math would easily prove it

On another note, while having a high notch count goal is great and it could push you to do your best, it could also be frustrating. Best of luck

Quote: (01-01-2018 01:23 AM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

Strongly support this thread. I deleted Tinder a few weeks ago; I instantly felt better about myself.

I found it was functioning as something akin to pornography - it gave me a false impression that I had a shot at all these chicks I was swiping on, when the actual matches were low-quality and flaky. I realized that the things I would need to do to improve my Tinder game (get better photos and write an improved profile) required the same life-work that going out and meeting girls, so I decided to just cut it out entirely and force myself to meet girls in public.

Put another way, I allowed Tinder/other swipe apps to take my time and mental energy I should have been using to get my life right and game in real life.

Also found what someone else said in another thread, "there's no better way to kill your sense of self-worth than to swipe on one of these apps for 15 minutes." I would let a good day of momentum get undone with a few minutes of mindless swiping before bed, not matching with the girls I really wanted. In public I can approach those girls and at least I have a sporting chance.

Exactly man, and then when you do match with girls you're let down and think to yourself "Man is this the quality that I attract?". How can you feel like a "man" swiping right on girls?

I've noticed a terrific supplement to swiping for 15 minutes before bed is to read. I've started reading before bed, it's a great way to wind down and give your mind new ideas to mull over in your sleep.

@Vaun, good brother. Let's do this. Approaching is so much better, you can choose which girls you like and want to approach.

No Tinder, Day 5. Haven't downloaded the app.

Yesterday night, I cracked a little.

Downloaded Tinder, swiped right once and then realized what I was doing and deleted the app.

Got some good pictures last night at a cafe with some decent girls.

Shit man.. this thread is depressing. I've never used Tinder and now I'll probably never use it.

Is it really an addiction like porn? I could see how the sex you get from it could become like watching porn, since the excitement of the hunt isn't like in the real world.

Anyway, was considering using it since daygame is slow in the winter, but I'll think twice about it now.

element stay strong dude - delete it

You should force yourself to do something when you get the urge to download tinder - like punish yourself with push ups or pullps or go run (i know this may not be a good option since it's cold)


As a guy whose approached, used social circle game and uses dating apps - I don't consider dating apps addicting.

Also I gotta disagree with Bushido, I do have game, I still apply it on dates and with plates I've met online on apps.

Element rightly said that it doesn't take much game to tell a girl to come over and fuck - I of course agree.

However PecsPerfection brought some brutal truths about having looks and being online - I've got a few features and pics that definitely put me ahead but I'm no Chad Thundercock, I'm not even white - which some have said is an advantage online.


I think we can all agree here online game should be last resort if you plenty of options around you.

Your game can possibly be crippled by only using online game.

Personally, my biggest goal are gym gains, so between work, then getting out of the gym at 7:30 - then banging plates or my main girl - I hardly have time to approach in person or during the day. So it works well with me for a supplemental pussy stream for now.

^How good looking do you have to be for Tinder, to really slay?

I really have no idea what a good looking guy is.

Apart from the Brad Pitt's all guys look ugly to me.

Honestly, I'm not sure, I don't think I'm a 5 or 6 (maybe high 6 or low 7) that's for sure, I'm in shape, have decent facial features, and pretty awesome facial hair. (All the RVF members who met me - feel free to chime in)

My pics show that I'm fun, active, and have cute girls in them.

Bio is pretty simple, funny, and straight forward - also challenges the girls a bit.

I was an early adopter of dating apps - so my I'm pretty heavily experiences.

To be honest, I'm mostly banging of bumble nowadays - Tinder is an afterthought.

OKC & POF died a long time ago - the only other one I rarely use is Coffee Meets Bagel.


My best weapon is the first date experience, either I banged them that night, or date 2 usually. (Matter of fact I banged a new one last night).

I get the girls invested in me and want to see me again, texting game is key here, to string them along to dates 2 or 3 before the bang - after that it's just cruise control.

If you'd have to choose a celebrity to represent the average attractiveness of the girls you bang who would it be?

Man I don't even know if that's an option to be honest that insanely hard to compare.

I also don't know know many female celebs.

I'd say my average is in the high 6's with the occasional 5's & 7's and a once in a blue moon 8.

   

Would you say you look like him? I'd say that's a 7 and I read you were Indian.


And as far as girls go, would you say that they're 7.5s or 8s?


   

Nah I'm a shade or so darker, with way more facial hair, and better eyebrows haha - also that's a pro photo also which does wonders online.

I'm not sure what he is - it's a hard comparison to make not to mention everyone has their 1-10 scale.

I'd definitely say those girls are 7.5's or 8's - once again depends on your taste and your 1-10 scale.

There should be a thread on this, titled 'Individual perception' or something like that.

You've said you've met guys from the forum right? You're living in the States?

Honestly I don't know if I'm good with women because of my personality or because of my looks -- judging your own looks as a man is next to impossible.

Quote: (01-03-2018 12:28 PM)xxx Wrote:  

Shit man.. this thread is depressing. I've never used Tinder and now I'll probably never use it.

Is it really an addiction like porn? I could see how the sex you get from it could become like watching porn, since the excitement of the hunt isn't like in the real world.

Anyway, was considering using it since daygame is slow in the winter, but I'll think twice about it now.

Honestly doesn't hurt to try it. Before I used online apps I thought I was ugly as fuck and would never get women because I never had any positive feedback. I had like 4 lifetime lays at that point and all were just totally random party hookups.

When I first started using Bumble and put some average photos up and surprisingly matched with some decent girls (6s and 6.5s) I was amazed.

If you try it and get no results, then sure, delete it, but if you get some results it will give you drive to improve your SMV so you can get more. It's not an addiction for me, more like a game of how much I can improve my profile.

   

I look almost like an exact copy of this guy, but in my 20s.

Is that good enough to be in the top 20% of guys on Tinder?

I really don't want to waste my time and apparently it does take a lot of your time.