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bloody hell.

Approqched girls, one got boyfriend and im fucking horny so like what the fuck.

Settled for ugly one (both left) without me. god damn

Im stil going drunk as fuck and i want to fuckz
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no dice. night in bed dang.

I wanted to fuck like no tomorrowp
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now the question is do i watch porn or not
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Quote: (01-12-2018 02:30 AM)the1element Wrote:  

now the question is do i watch porn or not

No mate. Get on tinder and get a girl back to yours, like 'any chump can'.

Seriously. No porn. Head here.

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They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety- Benjamin Franklin, as if you didn't know...
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I'm in - from today on.
If you are halfway decent looking (or have decent pics) and a bit of text game, Tinder is just too easy.
Yet it's never so satisfying as going up in the 'real world', going for what you want and achieving it.

Online Game in General is imho 'the fast food of dating': Easy satisfaction through quick dopamine spikes, but it doesn't get you anywhere in the long run (rather the opposite is the case).

Just deleted the app, forcing myself to become more proactive again in the 'offline' fields (been in the game for 8 yrs now, so loads of reference experiences have already been made).
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Dang, that was a hell of a night out.

Started it off with a very relaxing bath with Epsom salts, drinks and good music. Put me right in the mood.

Then I performed some poetry at an open mic near my house, I was a little nervous but I was happy I did it and pushed myself out of my comfort zone.

Now, let's get to the approaches.


1. Girl sitting at the bar in the cafe on her laptop.

I don't remember what my opener was, I think I asked her what she was working on.

I'd say she was a 6.

The conversation went well, I made fun of her for reading about philosophy. She was reading about our consciousness and how it evolved from single cell organisms.

This conversation was about 10 minutes, it was light-hearted and fun, she took some parts a little too seriously where I was making an obvious joke and she was defending herself.

I told her to come see me later tonight after the show and left.

(I don't know if she remembered, I left with the Scottish girl)

2. Scottish girl sitting at the table on her laptop, intensively studying

Soon as I saw this girl, I had to approach her. I just felt the energy she had and it was connecting with mine.

I walk up to her, asked her what she was reading (any prop a girl has is a great way to open, eg book, laptop, study notes, camera etc).

She showed me the book and we started chatting,

At first it was about the book, then about where she was from and I teased her for moving from Scottland to bumfuck nowhere (where I live). I told her I wasn't expecting to meet a cute Scottish girl tonight but I'm okay with it. She replied back with "You never know what will happen."

Right when the conversation hit its high point, I left her.

I did my own thing for about an hour, talked to the bartender, watched some other performances and approached one more girl before it was time for me to go on stage and recite my shit.

3. Girl sitting at the stage with her friends

Dang, this girl looking back at the night was probably a better chance than the Scottish girl but it's alright. Scottish one was prettier.

(I need to remember that when you DO meet a cute girl, you need to extract her, even if its just to a different place in the venue. I should have told her to come sit with me on one of the couches in the other room for a bit or something.)

I was sitting in my chair and turned to my side, my eyes caught her eyes and I smiled. A small smile washed over her face, I knew I needed to approach.

(One thing Game is making me more aware of is subtle cues in body language and how girls will send out signs telling you to proceed)

I started talking to this girl, she told me she was a BrewMaster and brews her own beer, I asked her if brewing in the tub was really something that you do and I made fun of her for not knowing the name of the beer she's going to make.

(She was all smiles at this point, I should have told her to come to to the bar with me (the bar in the cafe) from there I could change the topic from talking about her brewing into more interesting things like nature, art and so on. Plus we could make fun of other people.)

The conversation didn't last much longer and she went to the washroom or whatever and I recited my poetry.

It felt good going on stage.

The first thing I noticed when I was on stage was that everyone was in their own little worlds. You really have to have a presence to "snap" people out of themselves and have them listen. Towards the end of my performance, I had the audience's attention and was re-telling a story from one of my adventures earlier this week. That's something I want to work on, story-telling. I want to become a better story-teller.

BrewMaster girl came back just as I was walking off stage and said "Oh, shit I missed your performance."

I didn't say anything, just smiled.

My eyes were on a bigger prize (Scottish girl)

I made my way back to the Scottish girl and asked her how the book was coming along, she told me it wasn't and then after some more talking I told her I'm headed to a bar down the street. Come with me.

She was down.

In my head I'm thinking alright, you've got her to come to the bar now you need to start seducing her.

On our way to the street, she told me that she looks terrible and because she worked all day she didn't have time to put make-up on.

(I took this as a good sign, she obviously cared what I thought about her.)

My response was "Nah, you look good."

We got to the bar, I sit down at the table and she sat beside me which sort of took me by surprise. Usually I have to tell the girls I'm with

"No, you sit next to me, this isn't an interview darling."

But she did this right off the bat. I took that as a very good sign.

So we start talking, at first it's about innocent stuff but then she started to bring up dumb shit like how because of her field she has to put men in their place and dominate them and that she enjoys doing this (WTF).

(I notice she's got her legs crossed towards me, so I figure she's into me but I don't know why she's telling me this shit.)

The conversation evolves and I'm starting to figure out what this girl is all about.

I made a cheesy joke how an onion has layers and we're peeling them back.

She's laughing which I take as a good sign to move closer and put my hand on her back.

She visibly recoils when I do this and moves away from me. Okay....

So we continue talking and I see it's going nowhere so I pull back, tell her I'm going to take a piss and while in the washroom I make a game plan of what I need to do.

I decided she's attracted but just isn't comfortable yet, so I need to make her more comfortable.

I get back and I see she was looking at one of the books I had with me in my bag, I catch her and she immediately closes it and pulls her phone out.

The book was a philosophical one mixed with psychology, I figured that would be a good way to comfort her, share a bit about myself.

So now I'm sharing her some stories and there's a level of trust being built.

I purposely brush my hand on her leg and she recoils AGAIN.

Alright, there's something wrong here. I could just fucking sense there was more to the surface and something is blocking her.

Turns out I was right,

She tells me she doesn't trust men, believes men shouldn't be trusted and tells me she enjoys putting men in there place because her career forces her.

Then I came up with a question.

"If you could have all the money in the world, living in Scotland on that super small island. Would you behave the same way?"

She couldn't respond at first.

Then she told me she'd have to make money, which I told her no money is no problem.

Then she says I'd be a teacher and probably a lot nicer of a person.

Bingo.

Then I told her,

"You put on this front of being a powerful girl when really you're the same little girl you were when younger"

She just smiled and looked at the ground.

Then I went to go touch her and she pulled away which she followed with "I've had bad experiences with guys, I don't trust them. I'm single right now and I think I want to be single the rest of my life."

Shit.

After she said that, I told her I'm not looking for anything serious. And then I said, I want to have fun with you tonight.

She looked at me and said "I'm sorry I can't allow that."

I told her "Don't be sorry. Its your choice."

Then she said she needs to get going (it was 12) and that she wanted my number.

I gave her it.

Looking at this seduction, I think I did a lot right and I'm not sure I could have gotten this girl to sleep with me had I changed my game. I think she did have some bad experiences. Very closed off sexually.

But one part of me tells me that for the right guy she would have had sex last night and I wasn't it.

I'm not really sure...

I am very happy I told her that I wanted to have sex with her and I was a lot more open with my sexuality which was a big thing for me.

Maybe some other players can weigh in on this....

4. Cute PSW with her friend

After the Scottish Girl left, I chilled at the table and just started laughing. I thought it was funny how sexually blocked she was.

I chilled for another few minutes and saw two girls come in, they ordered their drinks and I was contemplating if I should approach or not.

I was a little anxious but I've developed a simple trick to help with that.

I simply count down from 5 and when I hit 0 I go approach, OR if by the time I hit 0 I don't approach I will re-start the countdown and after a few restarts I usually do it.

I approached the girl while the other was at the washroom, I asked her how her night was going and some other menial things.

Her friend came back and I told her we should grab a table.

We grabbed a table near the window and started chatting. I was really into the one across from me, she was the prettier one and more feminine which I liked.

The conversation was great, lots of fun and I teased both of them quite a bit during the conversation. When the uglier girl left to go to the washroom I told the girl across from me "you have a cute smile".

She just smiled at me.

But, as I would learn the cute one has a boyfriend who she met on Bumble "rolls eyes". Now I have to go for the ugly friend and at this point, I was drunk and just fucking horny.

God damn.

Now I switched gears and went after the ugly friend (this was a mistake, I shouldn't have done this. I liked her body but face was bad).

But she wasn't really into any of my game. I wasn't even into her either.

When their ride came I told the ugly girl that she should stay for a drink and her hot friend was trying to wing-girl for me but didn't work. They both left and I was left with my dick in hand.

After this I still wanted to get fucking laid, so I scowled the streets in search of girls but the streets were empty and the bars were closing.

Dang.

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I enjoyed last night, I learned more about game and I made 4 approaches which is pretty good.

I'm going out again tonight, I want to hit up a strip club near me and maybe go somewhere else.

Fuck, I still want to fuck.

Today I want to make that happen.
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god has dropped three girls visiting town in front of me. horny, drunk girls.
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You and travel museums should form a club.
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at the strip club. I kinda like strip clubs. Its fun to chat with the girls on break.
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^^^

Except I'm not a fucking idiot.

And I don't claim to be a game god.

But I will become a game god.




What happens when 3 girls visit the town for a few days, get very drunk and are in with cheating husbands.

Sex.

+1 Motherfuckers.

So how did it go down?

Honestly, I think it was just right time at the right place.

I was busy doing work at the bar (I love working on my work at the bar) and these girls came in, I ignored them completely because I wanted to actually get some shit done and they kept bothering me wanting me to have a shot and drinks. I told them when I'm done.

About an hour later I finished and told them I need some fucking shots.

We did shots, I flirted with them and worked made my way around the room.

Coming back to the girls a bit later in the night.

We did more shots and I decided I wanted to head to the strip club, they told me they were going to stay there in wished me a good night.

I drive to the club, it's dead because of a big snow storm but I decide to hit up a popular student bar looking for girls but just as I had that idea I remembered I left my I.D at my brothers house (45 min away).

So I drove back to the first bar (I work there) and the girls were still there.

From there I played don't-fuck-it-up game.

The friends liked me and invited me back to their place.

The girl was about a 5, older 29. I want to start upping the quality of girls I get with.

The biggest takeaway last night was that you don't need a crazy connection to have sex and that girls want sex (sounds dumb but it was a limiting belief of mine)
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Quote: (01-12-2018 12:11 AM)the1element Wrote:  

met a scotish girl at a cafe,

Extracted her to the bar

Tells me she hates men, fml.

Tell her i want to fuck her

Didnt go well

Hahaha. Going for broke is about your only move there. If she really hates men, you'll blow out fast...if it's a test, you gotta lay on the Marlboro-man gig.
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Quote: (01-13-2018 08:17 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

Quote: (01-12-2018 12:11 AM)the1element Wrote:  

met a scotish girl at a cafe,

Extracted her to the bar

Tells me she hates men, fml.

Tell her i want to fuck her

Didnt go well

Hahaha. Going for broke is about your only move there. If she really hates men, you'll blow out fast...if it's a test, you gotta lay on the Marlboro-man gig.

Haha yea man. I knew I had to cut the shit.

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Gotta say I hate college targeted clubs, in some ways, I think my affinity to clubs filled with college students is a limiting belief and in others I don't.
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Quote: (01-13-2018 11:05 AM)the1element Wrote:  

Honestly, I think it was just right time at the right place.

A lot of game success comes down to this "put yourself in positions to be 'that guy' for a girl looking for a guy that night." Getting in position at all (where you go, how you're dressed, other things that line up the opportunity) is a skill of its own, but there's a bit of dumb luck you can't control in there too. A lot of guys will fuck the opportunity up, though, so that's where the actual "game" skill comes in.

Quote: (01-13-2018 11:05 AM)the1element Wrote:  

I was busy doing work at the bar (I love working on my work at the bar)

I like to go get a beer/whiskey and read a book at a bar. It adds some energy to solitary processes. It also often gets people to approach you.

An aside: some people find this concept threatening...I googled "read books in bars" and the top result was this soy-boy telling us how bars are for "socializing" by which he means pointless small talk punctuated by getting unhealthily shitfaced: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sean-mann...09108.html

Fuck these people. Work or read in bars to your heart's content.

Quote: (01-13-2018 11:05 AM)the1element Wrote:  

The biggest takeaway last night was that you don't need a crazy connection to have sex and that girls want sex (sounds dumb but it was a limiting belief of mine)

Sex timing itself has an alpha fucks-beta bucks element...if a gal is in "I'm horny/lonely/etc and want some dick," you gotta be above her attractiveness bar and be logistically available. If she's in relationship-hunting mode or spots you as "boyfriend material" her mind shifts to the "I need to feel like I really know you to sleep with you" kind of stuff.

Not to plug other blogs but Chris at Good Looking Loser has a good series of posts on the spectrum of scumbag/edgy/clean vibes and how girls respond. Unsurprisingly he pumps "edgy" as the sweet spot where a gal will peg you as "hot guy I want to try to convert to a boyfriend" so you get all the alpha-fucks up front with the option to lay down the beta bucks.
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I'm in. Getting tired of online dating. I feel like i'm on the losing end of online dating demographics.

I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
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Quote: (01-14-2018 09:17 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I'm in. Getting tired of online dating. I feel like i'm on the losing end of online dating demographics.

One thing I've found through life is that you want to get yourself into environments where you can be a top player, whether that's career/job, social circle, hobbies, fitness, etc. I don't want to be a fellow traveler or a role player, I want to be a leader and receiver of respect. Otherwise I'm forcing myself into a scarcity mindset by putting myself in places where I don't have high value.

Not to beat a dead horse but online has converged to what the conventional dude's dating experience is like in real life - a small number of exceptional guys getting the vast majority of attention with most other guys in a scarcity setup. Ergo, if you're not in the top echelon of picture-swipe guys and getting results that match, don't spend your valuable time with it. We can't say this enough - if you're not getting results, take action to change what you're doing.

(The same thing applies to various forms of game; getting good results in club game takes me too far out of my element, so I don't do that either.)

People might say this is a limiting belief. I say banging your head on something you'll never be a big winner at is a limiting behavior.
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Quote: (01-14-2018 08:48 AM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

Quote: (01-13-2018 11:05 AM)the1element Wrote:  

Honestly, I think it was just right time at the right place.

A lot of game success comes down to this "put yourself in positions to be 'that guy' for a girl looking for a guy that night." Getting in position at all (where you go, how you're dressed, other things that line up the opportunity) is a skill of its own, but there's a bit of dumb luck you can't control in there too. A lot of guys will fuck the opportunity up, though, so that's where the actual "game" skill comes in.

Quote: (01-13-2018 11:05 AM)the1element Wrote:  

I was busy doing work at the bar (I love working on my work at the bar)

I like to go get a beer/whiskey and read a book at a bar. It adds some energy to solitary processes. It also often gets people to approach you.

An aside: some people find this concept threatening...I googled "read books in bars" and the top result was this soy-boy telling us how bars are for "socializing" by which he means pointless small talk punctuated by getting unhealthily shitfaced: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sean-mann...09108.html

Fuck these people. Work or read in bars to your heart's content.

Quote: (01-13-2018 11:05 AM)the1element Wrote:  

The biggest takeaway last night was that you don't need a crazy connection to have sex and that girls want sex (sounds dumb but it was a limiting belief of mine)

Sex timing itself has an alpha fucks-beta bucks element...if a gal is in "I'm horny/lonely/etc and want some dick," you gotta be above her attractiveness bar and be logistically available. If she's in relationship-hunting mode or spots you as "boyfriend material" her mind shifts to the "I need to feel like I really know you to sleep with you" kind of stuff.

Not to plug other blogs but Chris at Good Looking Loser has a good series of posts on the spectrum of scumbag/edgy/clean vibes and how girls respond. Unsurprisingly he pumps "edgy" as the sweet spot where a gal will peg you as "hot guy I want to try to convert to a boyfriend" so you get all the alpha-fucks up front with the option to lay down the beta bucks.

There's a difference between being the guy at the bar reading, looking awkward, like he's never left his basement and the cool guy who's at ease in the environment reading or working on something.

This works even better if what you're doing looks interesting. When I'm at a cafe (not so much a bar) I'll take all of the stuff I want to work on and put it on the table. It's usually 2-3 books, my journal, camera and laptop girls can't help but look at me. Then when I'm in need of a book, I'll just approach one of the girls who was checking my shit out.

If you're doing interesting shit, not watching stupid fucking youtube videos or doing obvious homework girls will notice and they will become interested.

Anyone who actually gets offended by someone doing something that isn't harming them or affecting them is automatically a soyboy. Who gets pissed at someone reading?


Quote: (01-14-2018 09:17 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I'm in. Getting tired of online dating. I feel like i'm on the losing end of online dating demographics.

Good shit my man.

Quote: (01-14-2018 10:22 AM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

Quote: (01-14-2018 09:17 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I'm in. Getting tired of online dating. I feel like i'm on the losing end of online dating demographics.

One thing I've found through life is that you want to get yourself into environments where you can be a top player, whether that's career/job, social circle, hobbies, fitness, etc. I don't want to be a fellow traveler or a role player, I want to be a leader and receiver of respect. Otherwise I'm forcing myself into a scarcity mindset by putting myself in places where I don't have high value.

Not to beat a dead horse but online has converged to what the conventional dude's dating experience is like in real life - a small number of exceptional guys getting the vast majority of attention with most other guys in a scarcity setup. Ergo, if you're not in the top echelon of picture-swipe guys and getting results that match, don't spend your valuable time with it. We can't say this enough - if you're not getting results, take action to change what you're doing.

(The same thing applies to various forms of game; getting good results in club game takes me too far out of my element, so I don't do that either.)

People might say this is a limiting belief. I say banging your head on something you'll never be a big winner at is a limiting behavior.

I'm learning there's so many ways to run game.

The guys who think game is randomly approaching a girl on the street in the day or randomly approaching a girl at a busy club at night are silly.

There's many ways to game girls and venues to do it at.
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Fuck fuck fuck,

For fucks sakes.

Went out tonight, learned A LOT...

First off, I give up way too fucking easily. If the girl isn't fucking clawing at my cock, I just assume she's uninterested. That's an idiot mentality and starting now, it stops. Tonight, I approached a few groups of girls one actually seemed interested but I dipped way too god damn early.

Second off, I need to actually SHOW who I am, "get them hooked" I know I have no interest in being mr fucking alpha male type "a" personality but I can show other parts of me that most guys don't have.

The problem is, this side doesn't fucking show if I don't

A) Allow it to show

B) Bring the girl out of the group and into 1-1 conversation where I fucking shine

So looking back tonight with this particular girl...

What separated me from Mr Chode in a plaid shirt? Nothing.

I didn't do ANYTHING to reveal my unique personality features, fuck all.

Sure, I made them laugh, I tried to include the girls and I tried to have a conversation but again, nothing to show how I'm different and play to my strengths.

And to be honest, the girls were shit. I tried to make do with what I had.

Back to the night.

I did NOTHING to show how I'm someone different and fresh...of COURSE, the girls didn't fucking hook.

I need to show who I am, even if it's in small ways because I know I have a strong personality, it may not be type "a" strong but I do different things, have varied interests and think differently than most men. That's part of the strength of being an "introvert" but it's only a strength if I play those qualities up.

Had I have showed who I am in small ways, I could have hooked the girl.

Then I could have moved from the friend group, to 1 on 1 where I can do my thing and play to my strengths but instead, I approached (I'll give myself that) talked about dumbshit and left when the girls weren't fawning over me. I also must say I really wish there were some European girls here, man the girls here are just not my type.

I needed to stay talking to them, maybe then I wouldn't see the cute girl with Mr. Chode in the hoodie.

Thirdly, I need to slow my roll. Relax, take in the environement, look at the girls in the eyes and just relax. Be present. I also lean forward too much like a dumbass.

One thing I am VERY proud of myself for is leaving the venue, getting halfway home and then driving back because I knew I had a chance with the cute girl, unfortunately Mr. Chode in the hoodie was talking to her, sitting at his table and once I saw that I dipped. Dang.

I'm a little peeved at myself tonight, I learned a lot and I screwed up something that might have turned into me fucking tonight.

I'm mainly peeved that I dipped out of the approach early. You have to lead the conversation at first and I failed to do that.

Calmed down: The above, is just like learning a new skill. You're going to have "what was I thinking moments."
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Downloaded Tinder, man. I just want to meet some girls, I've been going out every night and the pickings are so fucking slim.

Then after about 5 minutes, I deleted the app.

I don't understand this, is it my city? Or is it my game? What the fuck.

I feel like a dumbass right now.

I want to do nothing but meet girls and apart from Saturday, Friday and sort of Sunday I'm shit out of luck.
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Best “Real Life Swipe” is through your eye contact and vibes as your interaction starts.

Having gravitas and soul at this point is what separates you from all the other guys with their merely visual attributes.

Helps to limit scope to girls who pass your boner test with at least an A-.

That is what I dig about the anytime, anywhere approach style.

This is dynamic while apps are static — (animated gif profiles though??).

Harder but success feels wayyy better IMO. Keep at it!
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Quote: (01-17-2018 12:47 AM)the1element Wrote:  

Downloaded Tinder, man. I just want to meet some girls, I've been going out every night and the pickings are so fucking slim.

Then after about 5 minutes, I deleted the app.

I don't understand this, is it my city? Or is it my game? What the fuck.

I feel like a dumbass right now.

I want to do nothing but meet girls and apart from Saturday, Friday and sort of Sunday I'm shit out of luck.

To me it seems like you need to improve your game. Research the London Daygame Model and look up some Krauser videos online.
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Still haven't used Tinder. Went out last night, the write-up below is about the night out.

_________

I'm really happy with last night. I learned a lot, had fun and made out with a girl who I met at a cafe.

So, let's re-cap the day. I was stuck in my head early on. Very much stuck in my head, I felt like the whole world was watching me and the antennas on my body were going wild. I had to reign in that energy, which is why I went on a hike. Hikes always help me focus my energy.

The first girl I approached I asked for directions to a certain hike spot. I didn't realize how pretty was though until she took her hood off, she had effortless beauty to her. I should have told her "wow, you're cute. I want to go on my hike but let me get your number and I can figure out why I'm attracted to you." but I was too stuck in my own head to do that.

After being told where the hike was and that I was in the wrong area, a fence separated the forest from the student houses. A fence which I jumped. I didn't have to but I love adventure, jumping the fence is a lot more fun than walking around it.

I went for the walk, it was fucking freezing and the area felt like a desolate frozen wasteland. I imagined I was an explorer from back in Columbus days, the wind that was gusting was freezing my face but I kept trudging along.

I brought binoculars on the walk, hoping to find some birds or some other form of life that I can watch and gain inspiration from. On the walk I heard chirping in the bushes, I slowed my step down and followed the noise. As I got closer, I realized that it wasn't just 1 or 2 birds, it was more like 8 - 10 Robins huddled together hiding from the cold and keeping warm. I was the only one stupid enough to be outside wandering the wasteland in these temperatures.

I began a dialogue with them, asking what they were up to. Asking if they could help me get out of my head while I observed with my binoculars their behaviour. I talked to them for a bit longer and left them to continue doing their bird things.

On my way back to civilization, I felt my awareness steadily increasing, my thoughts that were clouding my brain were drifting away and my body was becoming one with the frozen wasteland. Each breath I felt like I was inhaling the wilderness spirit, I thanked the birds for helping me.

After the walk I went to a Coffee Shop to warm up my frozen face. When I was ordering my hot water, I noticed a cute girl steadily in the corner. I sat next to her and asked her why she's studying so early in the semester. She told me she had a physics test and she's been studying all day. I told her to take a break with me, so she did.

This conversation went well I was focusing on being in the moment and my energy was much more focused this time. I felt grounded.

Something I did notice during this conversation was that I was apologetic at times in the conversation. I would tease her or say something and then try to downplay what I said. I need to stop doing this.

After 15 minutes I told her she should get back to work and that she should give me her number.

That was yesterday and she still hasn't responded.

I want to work on getting into girls heads more, instead of just running charming game. There's 10000's of charming guys, what makes me different? I actually enjoy the psychology behind game, I also really wanted to say to her

"I want to figure out why I'm attracted to you. " But I didn't. I was kind of scared (lol).

I left the Coffee Shop and made my way to a cafe downtown that was hosting their Open Mic Thursdays.

Upon entering the cafe, I noticed a cute girl sitting at a table by herself with her instrument. Easy open.

"Are you performing for the open mic?"

She told me how she wasn't and was actually part of an orchestra. This conversation I was fully present, I had my energy grounded and I was focusing all of my energy towards her. I find as an introvert, this is a powerful move if it's done right. I have so much energy inside me and when I focus it all on a girl I'm speaking to her, she definitely feels it. I know this because when I did this, she sort of "wiggled" in her chair which a good sign she was into me.

I went for the number and told her we have to grab a drink. She agreed and said she's only in town until Sunday. Perfect. Her name was Sarah.

After this interaction I grabbed a chair and started to write and work on my stuff.

Side note: If you're an artist type, working on your work at a cafe is a very easy way to get female attention.

After my writing, 6 girls with UK accents came in and got a table. Some of them were quite good looking, I had to approach.

With game, it's important to be aware of the right and wrong time to approach. There's an element of timing, you want to get the girls when their gossip conversation has fizzled out. Once this happens, swoop in, they're bored and will be much more receptive to your approach.

Also, I want to mention that you shouldn't be approaching all cute girls you see. As you work on the game, you're going to figure out what type of girls you're into and which ones you aren't. You will also realize that some sets are just not going to be receptive to an approach, if the girl is in a serious conversation with her friends then you should wait until that conversation dies and if it doesn't leave her be.

As an introvert, you have limited energy you can't waste it on random girls that you either have no interest in or girls that are busy and not open to being approached. Spend your time wisely.

Once the group of 6 girls were bored, I swooped in. It didn't really go well, I'm terrible in group situations I don't know how to charm large groups, I think in the future I should focus on talking to the girl that is quiet and isn't completely included in the conversation. Instead of trying to address the entire group because with the entire group, there will be conversations you can't be apart of because you don't know the person or event that's being discussed. Another idea could be to ask the group questions, turn yourself into the centre of attention by getting everyone talking.

I could have done this with the UK girls by asking them if they miss their homelands or something. Addressing all of the girls and then creating a discussion between them about the question I asked.

I felt the vibe dropping, and I bid them farewell and made my way to another room in the cafe. Saw 2 girls playing Monopoly, another easy approach.

"Are you ladies part of the open mic?"

"Who's winning?"

The conversation started off solid, good energy and I was jibing at the girls for being too shy to perform [Image: wink.gif]. I asked them if I could play and they said sure but they wanted to finish the game first. I thought it wouldn't be long so I grabbed a seat.

It was really hard to get their attention while they were playing, I didn't really know if I should be serious or flirty or what. I had no idea what to say for most of the time so I sat there, watching the performers on the stage and their game. I occasionally made fun of their poor money management and stealing from the bank but I didn't want to force conversation so I basked in the silences.

An hour later they finished and now they had another girlfriend showup. We started playing all 4 of us, and thats when I got a text from Sara.

"Want to grab a beer?"

Game on darling.

I told my Monopoly girls I had to meet with a friend and told them bye.

Before I left, one of the girls tells me I look like the guy from Spider Man.

My response is a good example of being "apologetic". When she told me I looked like Spider Man, I said "Were you the girl who took my mask off?" she told me she was and then I said something stupid "Sorry to disappoint, I can't shoot webs and I'm not Spider Man" <- What a dumb thing to say.

I met up with Sarah and started to seduce her. We start chatting and she tells me that her friends call her "The Tinder Queen" - oh god. That turned me off a bit. She told me this right after I said "Isn't this better than Tinder?" I told her I quit the app.

During a good vibe in the conversation, I went to touch her leg and she jerks away "That's weird." Sigh.

Looking back on this interaction, I talk too fucking much. Less is more with girls, I don't need to spill my bloody guts with every fucking girl. I don't ramble but I need to play up the mystery, I don't need to respond to her questions with direct, well thought out answers. She should fill in the gaps.

I want to get into her mind, I can't do that by talking like a fool. Shut the fuck up.

I think this was almost a sure thing and I fucked it up.

I went for the kiss and she turned away, back to square one. Then I went for the kiss again after 30 or so minutes. Turned away, but she didn't move away just turned her head.

After 2 hours in the bar, I told her I'll drive her home and show her a few cool spots in the area. I took her to a cool hangout spot outside the city and a hidden lake.

In the parking lot, I went for the kiss again. She did the same thing. Then at the lake I tried again, same thing.

Now I had to call this out. I said

"Are you shy?"

"Is there something on your mind"

She tells me she's good, okay...

I was kind of rattled, I wanted to make out for fucks sake.

I drove her to her uncles place, we hugged bye and she kissed me on my neck, below my jaw on the right side of my face. Okay...

I touched her face and went for the kiss and she turned away slightly, this time I told myself "fuck this" and grabbed her face and we made out. Fuck. Soon as we kissed, I could feel her melt I knew she wanted it but blocked herself.

Bloody hell. Why would a girl do this?

I stopped the kiss and told her I'll see you before you leave maybe.

We texted, she wanted to know I got home safe. Then I told her we should go on an adventure today.

She responds "What were you thinking?"

This is where I fucked up...

"Hike and a surprise at the end."

No response. That was a stupid fucking text.

I wanted to take her to a really cool spot with a waterfall and I wanted the waterfall to be the surprise but I think I came across like a try hard with saying a "surprise" at the end. I should have said "find out tomorrow 2pm" but alas I fucked up.

She hasn't responded and then I started beating myself up. Calling myself names like "Loser" "idiot" but then I realized I did something most dudes couldn't do. I put my balls on the table, approaching a group of 6, getting myself out of my head and not letting that ruin my day, I made out with a girl I met a cafe and she paid for my drinks at the bar as well.

I can't get to down on myself, I'm putting myself out there. I'm learning game with no online crutches and I already after a month of working on my game got a make-out on the same day. I have to give myself credit.

Today, I'm going to to go out again. I'm going to put the things I learned into practice and I really want to go for a dip in the lake. I know it's freezing but something is drawing me to go for a 30 second swim. I feel like it's going to be a rewarding feeling and experience.
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Game is a process. See how this guy is struggling, but growing? That is the process of game in action.

Tinder does not involve such a process. There is no real growth or character building.

Keep it up OP.

PM me for accommodation options in Bangkok.
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Quote: (01-19-2018 04:36 PM)the1element Wrote:  

We texted, she wanted to know I got home safe. Then I told her we should go on an adventure today.

She responds "What were you thinking?"

This is where I fucked up...

"Hike and a surprise at the end."

No response. That was a stupid fucking text.

Give her a call. A good phone call can salvage the situation. You have nothing to lose by calling.

Also leave a voicemail if she doesn't answer.
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Went out last night and it was one of the hardest nights mentally for me.

I started the night with my gameless friend, we went to the club and I was like man lets meet some girls and he just wanted to chill. Then when he finally mustered up the courage to talk to a girl, it was this big fat slob and her ugly friend. Completely killed my vibe.

My buddy left shortly after, and it was just me in the club. I wanted to make something happen but I was so stuck in my own head, I felt like I was having a sensory overload at the club, too many people, music, lights, noise.

I left the club to a much more low-key bar that I've had a lot of fun at.

I was ordering my drink next to a girl at the bar, I thought she said "Martini" and I started making fun of her because I don't think they even have Martinis at the place. We started talking, I asked if there was a spare chair at her table, she said "No but we can find one".

She grabbed me a chair and I sat down next to her, I was introduced to her 3 friends who were are all Italian and I said I love it, you're all wild.

The girl I met at the bar, her name was Jodi and she was the one that got me the chair and I was also sitting beside.

Her legs were crossed, completely turned towards me. I was like this | she was like so | that was the dynamic, I rubbed her back and that's all I fucking did. I should of fucking kissed her, god damn.

I told her during the convo "I'm trying to figure out why I'm attracted to you."

She just looked at me with a smile (obvious sign of interest)

Then later in the conversation, I said "I think I figured it out. It's your mind."

Then she just smiled and touched my arm.

At this point, I NEEDED to isolate her.

"Let's go to the bar"

"Let's check out the place across the street."

I could have told her friends "I'm stealing her for 10 minutes."

Her friends were all comfortable with me, they would have been fine with it. (This is one of my strong points, people feel comfortable around me.)

Escalation and isolation is my sticking point, I've missed out on I think two makeouts from not isolating (I say make-out because I don't know if I was going to get the bang) .

I also talked a little too much during this interaction, I talked less than usual but still too much.

I need to be more present and aware, this girl gave me a lot of signs and I just downplayed them or didn't escalate.

Anyways, Jodi was the DD for the group so I was left high and dry there. I got her number, I texted my phone "Hey" and then early this morning she texted me from her phone "Hey" I responded with "hey". I'm going to invite her out tonight, this girl is fucking hot inside and out.

God damn.

After they left, there was a group of girls behind me I tapped the one on the shoulder and asked what's the occasion?

I don't think she said anything to me and just turned away.

That rejection sealed my night. I was fucked after that, I wanted to talk to girls but I kept saying to myself "There just going to reject you anyway". Not a good place to be.

I left that bar, went to another bar that has a pool table and decided I needed to take my mind off of the night.

I shot pool and played a few rounds with one of the bouncers who was done his shift. Cool guy, I want to make connections with this guy he seems like a cool dude.

After pool, it was 3am and everyone was headed home.

I drove home, stopped by a lake and got really high listening to Built To Spill and through my highness I came to a few conclusions on the night.

1st. I have to "switch" my mentality. I walk into a bar or club and I'm communicating "Look at me girls! Notice me! I am cool like me!" this imo is the WRONG mentality, it sets up the girls on a pedestal. I'm looking for girls to show signs of liking me, to validate myself. Essentially, seeking validation from outside sources other than myself.

I need to be more confident. This is the mentality I need to develop "I am the shit, girls don't get wet until I walk through that door" "The fun doesn't start until I walk through that door." "Every girl wants me but I only want the ones that I like." "If a girl doesn't like me, that's her loss. She's missing out."

I think this mentality once ingrained is going to be a key shift in my game.

I shoot myself down before I even approach, "She won't like me." "We'll have nothing in common"

This loser mindset is fucking me up.

I'm not saying having humility is a bad thing but I need to be more confident.

I'm reacting to girls, instead of them reacting to me. That's the key.

2nd. Game Mentor.

I'm going to keep an eye out for cool dudes that have game, offer to buy them a drink and tell them I want to learn what they do or something.

Also, my gameless friend ruins the vibe at night.

3rd. (This is kind of unrelated to game) I need to balance my time. Right now I'm going out and my days are spent waiting to go out. I need to fill this time with more productive things, I really like the way Christian McQueen handles work and play.

He'll work hard for 3 days straight, then "reward" himself with 3 days of play. I think for myself, I need to create some form of a system like that. I can't work for a week straight without going out but I do think making the partying and wild times a reward for working hard is a good idea.

The only thing is I lean heavily into the arts, I'm finding it hard to make money through those creative ventures.
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Quote: (01-20-2018 02:24 PM)the1element Wrote:  

After they left, there was a group of girls behind me I tapped the one on the shoulder and asked what's the occasion?

I don't think she said anything to me and just turned away.

That rejection sealed my night. I was fucked after that, I wanted to talk to girls but I kept saying to myself "There just going to reject you anyway". Not a good place to be.

Dude, the times I've gamed at night I've been rejected 95% of the time. I do 30 sets a night. You just have to let it float off you like water off a duck's back. All you need is one vagina a night. Numbers game.
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