The point about doing stunts is, if you succeed, you have some genuine reason to brag, but if you fail, you look like a fucking Darwin Award winner. Someone like Evel Knievel and Jackie Chan, as busted up as they got, managed to survive, chronic pain injuries or not. But guys like this just look like idiots.

I'm shocked that someone who does these stunts lacks the fitness to do 3 chin ups at any time of day, that lack of fitness just seems like an enourmous oversight.

Quote: (12-28-2017 01:53 PM)Surreyman Wrote:  

I'm shocked that someone who does these stunts lacks the fitness to do 3 chin ups at any time of day, that lack of fitness just seems like an enourmous oversight.

Here's the formula:

Low barrier public medium (YouTube)

+ Intense desire for fame/attention

- Any real talent
_________________________________
= disaster waiting to happen

From the title of this thread I thought that there would be footage about how it looks from a perspective of a guy falling, like how fast is earth approaching a falling body on a go pro camera. Disappointed .

Quote: (12-27-2017 05:29 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  

There is nothing wrong with narcissism. It is a perfectly natural trait of the human condition. What about all those dudes who died trying to reach the North Pole in the 19th century? There was absolutely no greater purpose to it other than "hey look at me, I'm first!" They even took selfies, and in those days taking a selfie at the North Pole meant you had to drag heavy equipment thousands of miles over ice instead of taking food or fuel that could mean the difference between life or death, not a 150 gram cellphone.
own.

I disagree heavily with this. The honorable men who tried to reach poles and never reached peaks did it for science too and not just only for fame. They kept journals and wrote down data to help us understand these extreme locations. They used the best equipment they had in their age and they did it in large groups where each man had each other's back. They did all they could do to minimize risk and maximize knowledge

These youtube fame seekers do nothing to give value to society and to science, their only motivation is fame, they do it alone and without safety. That is all a big difference.

This is just gods way of getting rid of stupid.

Quote: (12-27-2017 04:35 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

One article I saw said he actually fell about 35-40 feet onto a terrace while some other articles say he fell the full 62 stories. In the video, it looks like he turns and aims for something with his feet, so I think he may have been aiming for the terrace. Still a little too high, I guess.

That makes sense. In Chinese news they were saying that he could have been saved but no one got to him until a day later. It said he fell much shorter than 62, and a terrace makes sense.

Quote: (12-27-2017 05:29 PM)Mochihunter Wrote:  

I read he was doing it for a contest to win 10 grand to help his mother. Whether that story is true or not I don't know.

His mother has cancer according to Chinese media. He was trying to make money to help his mom.

Even if that is true, you cannot take shortcuts like that in life to provide a way to pay for a medical issue. If he had a father that could explain that to him, he might be alive. Now his mother is really screwed.

In some ways, guys that can do stuff like this might have a problem in their brain that makes them not afraid of something 90+% of the world's population would. Radio tower climbers come to mind. Many people claim those guys are nutty outside of work. I guess the frontal lobe where judgement happens may be the cause. Which is also the same region ADHD sufferers have their problem. These guys might have a conduct/behavioral or personality disorder. Evil Knievel himself was extraordinarily arrogant and confident to the point where you must question his sanity. I would not be surprised to know if he ever qualified for a personality disorder.

Darwin wins again.

On the other hand, there are some people in the world you wish weren't doing things the safe way.

Looks like we have our next feminist outrage!

Woman twerks, chip signals she wants to tap that ass by tapping glass. How dare he objectify?

#MisogynistChimpanzee

Quote: (12-28-2017 05:11 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Looks like we have our next feminist outrage!

Woman twerks, chip signals she wants to tap that ass by tapping glass. How dare he objectify?

#MisogynistChimpanzee

Maybe tapping on the glass is how chimps ask for consent.

Quote: (12-28-2017 05:11 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Looks like we have our next feminist outrage!

Woman twerks, chip signals she wants to tap that ass by tapping glass. How dare he objectify?

#MisogynistChimpanzee

D-did you... did you just assume its gender?

Man these guys are crazy, risking their lives for social media likes. I get to do some pretty crazy work at heights that is at times a great rush except I don’t die and I make some pretty good money at it, rope access is a great job for an adrenaline junkie, these yahoos should look into it!

1:34 His life was already over, he was getting married!

This reminds me of this video I watched a while back. Kinda gave me vertigo at some points. Spoiler: nobody dies.

If a guy came up to me and told me that he likes to invade megaskyscrapers at night and climb up to top without any safety measures just for the heck of it, I'd find it crazy but admirable and of course extremely impressive.

However, if that same guy admitted that he does it for attention on YouTube, my opinion of him would plummet and I'd consider him just a crazy, pathetic attention whore.

Good or evil intent is always what makes or breaks things.

Watching that video so totally reminds me of a situation I've experienced. There were a couple comments that I agree with regarding physical fitness of the person performing the stunt and I agree to an extent, but I would challenge anyone to do a fingertip pull-up (on a ledge, not a bar) with your body pressed against a wall. It's so much more difficult than doing a bar/no wall pull-up. There's simply no comparison.

I was in Corfu, Greece once with some workmates and one guy got terribly drunk. After a couple of moped crashes we got back to the hotel and shut him in his room on the 10th floor, then went to our own rooms to continue drinking. We had been there a week and two of his platoon mates had the room directly below him on the 9th floor. He knew they had alcohol, so like you do, he decided to dangle from his balcony and drop onto their balcony to get some more booze. He had miscalculated the height of his balcony to the next and ended up in a dead-hang, fingertips only, body against the wall, pull-up situation. He was stuck. We're talking about a Special Operations soldier, in the prime of his life, prolly the upper 95% of the population as far as physical fitness, and he was a dead man.

Luckily, his roommate, by pure circumstance, went to check on him and didn't see him in the room. He called out for him and heard him dangling on the ledge and went and got him. I'm convinced if that had been more than a few more seconds, this guy would've fallen to his death.

Interesting to note, the guy couldn't hardly walk the day after... When we were leaving the next day and looked back at the balcony, there were two vertical stripes of blood stains from his feet trying to climb the wall. He had torn his shoes off and mangled his feet scrambling for safety...

Quote: (12-28-2017 06:19 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Man these guys are crazy, risking their lives for social media likes. I get to do some pretty crazy work at heights that is at times a great rush except I don’t die and I make some pretty good money at it, rope access is a great job for an adrenaline junkie, these yahoos should look into it!

Exactly. Someone has to put the dish on the top of the rigs. Someone has to fix it when it fucks up. Guys that climb radio towers and other places super high up make alot of money. China has high cell towers and the like that require maintenance. I don't know about Russia, but these guys have no excuse. You usually get hazard pay and AD&D (Accidental Death and Disability Insurance).

Not everyone has the stones to do this scary work, but these guys do. They just want to attention whore, which is a massive waste of talent.

Also my wife told me last night that the Chinese climber's girlfriend said on Chinese news, that he was sick with a cold or something a few days before he left to go climb. That might explain why he may not have had the strength to pull up on that ledge and tired out.

I remember when I was younger I had the flu once, came back for a small BJJ tournament after all the symptoms were gone. I thought I was fine. I got rolled in the first match because I gassed out super quick. After that I took a week off then I was fine again. Just because you stop being sick does not mean you can the tank to go again.

Every human being has 2 innate fears: the fear of heights and the fear of loud noises. You don't believe me, hold a baby over a stairwell or make a loud bang. Babies freak out.
Those are your only 2 innate fears. Everything else is learned behavior from your environment.

I have always been afraid of heights and I have hundreds of freefall skydives. The way I was taught to overcome this fear was this: 30-40 ft is a deadly fall. Anything beyond that, it's all in your head--you're likely going to die. Chances of your survival are minimal. So, why care about a 100ft fall... 200 ft fall? The result is the same. You'd be better served to fear a fall off a ladder in your house than to fear a 10,000 ft fall.

Quote: (12-28-2017 06:19 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Man these guys are crazy, risking their lives for social media likes. I get to do some pretty crazy work at heights that is at times a great rush except I don’t die and I make some pretty good money at it, rope access is a great job for an adrenaline junkie, these yahoos should look into it!

I think these two groups have entirely different psychological motivations, and would bet there isn't much crossover.

I think the enthusiasm of the attention whore daredevils would instantly dry up if there was any sort of practical value to a feat.

It's like, a different sort of person seeks out mountain climbing from the sort who signs up for search and rescue teams.

It just isn't any fun when you are compelled on some level to do something and aren't allowed to bring your camera.

Some people will only risk life and limb for pointlessness.

Quote: (12-27-2017 09:18 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

Quote: (12-27-2017 07:05 PM)realologist Wrote:  

Quote: (12-27-2017 06:42 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

Quote: (12-27-2017 05:09 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

Its another proof how people lost common sense for the thrill to get social media attention. Because they don't have a deeper value in their social community. Even more the trend to stand out extreme by do more and more stupid stuff. Its sad but stupidity is dangerous, also extreme narcissism.

Really the most narcissistic thing you can do is to have children and care for them!
Since you are then pouring all your effort into propagating yourself. Your children are after all your germ line DNA,(or at least half) which is really the part of you that is alive, since heredity is the criteria that define life.

Of course I`m not saying that having children is wrong and not a good idea.
What I am saying though is that this idea of narcissism vs. altruism is a highly relative concept.
It`s quite frankly BS.

I see what you're saying but....

I used to think that idea until the thought came upon me that if you swap "eat" for "to have children" you realize how stupid the idea of evolutionary "just get to the next generation = meaning of life" is.

You eat because it's part of living. You have children because it's part of living. Same shit.

I fail to see how we disagree here.

As I said, the idea of narcissism vs. altruism is a highly relative concept.
Unless you as some ad hoc "objective" value to life, or the actions we take in life,( i.e. religion) there really is no meaning to life. But you can still recognize how evolution works. Eating is then only a means to an end, which is reproduction.

Quote: (12-29-2017 09:29 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Every human being has 2 innate fears: the fear of heights and the fear of loud noises. You don't believe me, hold a baby over a stairwell or make a loud bang. Babies freak out.
Those are your only 2 innate fears. Everything else is learned behavior from your environment.

I have always been afraid of heights and I have hundreds of freefall skydives. The way I was taught to overcome this fear was this: 30-40 ft is a deadly fall. Anything beyond that, it's all in your head--you're likely going to die. Chances of your survival are minimal. So, why care about a 100ft fall... 200 ft fall? The result is the same. You'd be better served to fear a fall off a ladder in your house than to fear a 10,000 ft fall.

That's similar to how I overcame my fear of heights in jump school.

1) I don't jump, become a jump refusal, get UCMJ action taken against me, never to return to Airborne School, fuck my career up
2) I jump and
a)I live
b) it's a quick death

I decided a quick death wasn't so bad after all.

G

Quote: (12-27-2017 08:37 PM)bps7772000 Wrote:  

If you have done any serious lifting in your lifetime, you are very familiar with lifting to failure, you understand that limit. That guy was at that limit and his fingers couldn't hold on nor could the shoulders pull him up. I think his grip slipped.

That being said, this is a play-stupid-games-win-stupid-prizes kind of thing IMO.

"Success depends upon previous preparation, and without such preparation there is sure to be failure."
-- Confucius

Quote: (12-29-2017 05:18 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

As I said, the idea of narcissism vs. altruism is a highly relative concept.
Unless you as some ad hoc "objective" value to life, or the actions we take in life,( i.e. religion) there really is no meaning to life. But you can still recognize how evolution works. Eating is then only a means to an end, which is reproduction.

Hmm, but maybe reproduction is the a means to an end, which is eating - people reproduce so that the eating never stops!

You see absent faith, the truth perceivable by reason is always relative and will inevitably cause people to get crazy. Altruists or narcissists, people without a faith (I don''t want to use the word religion here, although sadly it comes hand in hand most times) lose sanity and stop reproducing as time goes one. Example - any modern western country - most of them are committing slow, silent suicides - not reproducing brainwashing their women to kill children, welcoming aggressive immigrants. The more atheist the country the more they do this. Before Sweden became known as the most immigrant welcoming country it was known for having the world's highest level of atheism.

Quote: (12-27-2017 05:09 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

Its another proof how people lost common sense for the thrill to get social media attention. Because they don't have a deeper value in their social community. Even more the trend to stand out extreme by do more and more stupid stuff. Its sad but stupidity is dangerous, also extreme narcissism.

I don't think he is doing it for attention alone. It is his found way of making easy money. I think that is primarily what was driving him to do it.

Quote: (12-30-2017 01:40 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

Quote: (12-29-2017 09:29 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Every human being has 2 innate fears: the fear of heights and the fear of loud noises. You don't believe me, hold a baby over a stairwell or make a loud bang. Babies freak out.
Those are your only 2 innate fears. Everything else is learned behavior from your environment.

I have always been afraid of heights and I have hundreds of freefall skydives. The way I was taught to overcome this fear was this: 30-40 ft is a deadly fall. Anything beyond that, it's all in your head--you're likely going to die. Chances of your survival are minimal. So, why care about a 100ft fall... 200 ft fall? The result is the same. You'd be better served to fear a fall off a ladder in your house than to fear a 10,000 ft fall.

That's similar to how I overcame my fear of heights in jump school.

1) I don't jump, become a jump refusal, get UCMJ action taken against me, never to return to Airborne School, fuck my career up
2) I jump and
a)I live
b) it's a quick death

I decided a quick death wasn't so bad after all.

G

Or, put more simply, if your parachute doesn't open, you don't have to come to work tomorrow...