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10-29-2017, 06:58 PM
I have read books on various serial killers throughout the years and sometimes I wonder what actually drove them to do the things they did?
I can think of 3 examples off of the top of my head.
1) Ted Bundy- He seemed to have gone off the deep end after being rejected by his girlfriend, some books and films suggest some of his victims resembled that girlfriend. Ted also mentioned in his last days that getting into pornography at a young age wrecked him, but that might've been to throw off Dr. James Dobson in his interview.
2) Edmund Kemper- He picked up hitchhiking women, had a thing for beheading them and having oral sex with their heads. His mother abused him quite for a bit because she thought because of his height he might kill his sister. Edmund also shot his grandparents just because he wanted to. He's in an asylum now for the rest of his life
3) Jeffrey Dahmer- I know he's gay and posters here aren't fond of them, but what could ever drive him to kill people and put their parts in refrigerators?
4) The Columbine shooters- What point were they trying to make?
5) Adam Lanza: Obviously, his mother was weird to him so it makes sense why she would be his first victim.
What is it? Possible malfunctioning parts in their brain to kill people, traumatic events that shaped their outlook in life or they just plain crazy? Ostrcaization like Eliot Rodger? What goes on in their heads?
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10-29-2017, 08:51 PM
what ever happened to just labeling people as plain old cray cray?
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10-30-2017, 05:13 AM
Men are natural born killers. Maybe serial killers just over do it.
All you gotta do is ask them questions and listen to what they have to say and shit.
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10-30-2017, 04:48 PM
I think in life we have a bunch of motives that are supposed to drive us. In almost every case, there is a productive approach that results in rewards, or a shortcut. An obvious example is that marriage is supposed to lead to sexual pleasure and satisfaction, but this pleasure comes within a framework that provides for the children that sex results in, and makes sure not only to feed the children, but to raise them to be good members of society. In comparison, casual sex or even paying whores results in sexual pleasure, but it is dissipative instead of healthy and constructive in life.
Likewise, diet and exercise, building good friendships, and developing valuable work skills and habits lead to feelings of satisfaction and well-being, but you can also get temporary satisfaction and well-being from doing drugs.
In every area of life, there are opportunities to go down the wrong path, or even turn to the dark side. In the case of serial killers, or the people who go on shooting sprees, or terrorists, I think there is a dark resentment that builds up, and they start having experiences where they dominate someone or force them to do something, and like it. Maybe even something as simple as berating a clerk behind the counter at a store until they do what you want. Once they start to feed on the sensation of dominating and forcing unhappiness and misery upon others, they get a taste for it, and start taking it farther and farther. They get pleasure from it, and start going further.
They reason the world is fucked up, and they are justified in striking back. They are miserable, and the world made them this way. They deserve to strike back. The "so-called" innocent victims they select do not deserve to be safe. The victim deserves to suffer, just like the serial killer suffers. Hurting the victim feels good. Seeing them cry and plead feels good. Tormenting them until they can't stand it feels good. Seeing the despair in their eyes, and hearing it in their screams and pleading feels good, as the victim knows they are already so badly hurt that it is too late, and they have no hope.
All of this is truly sick, and evil. I don't believe in insanity per se. I think insanity is just someone that becomes too disassociated from society. Such people should be gassed. There are schizophrenics who can't help themselves, but most of the serial killers are not in this category. They are ordinary people who went down a forbidden path seeking twisted forms of satisfaction in life, and went all the way with it.
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10-30-2017, 11:07 PM
I would assume these kinds of people were already mentally defective, so the abuse they experienced combined with their already fucked heads probably lead them to do these kinds of things.
Murdering multiple people who they had no prior connection to speaks to me as people that already had major dysfunctions in their brain. Keeping kidneys and some bladders next to the Dill pickle jar in the fridge strikes me as behavior far, far away from an average person. There are plenty of normal people out there who had traumatic upbringings who managed to make it their whole lives without resorting to becoming a serial killer to workout their issues.
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10-30-2017, 11:37 PM
This seems like one of those trap threads.
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11-02-2017, 02:52 AM
Think of all the things that can go wrong with your body.
Skin infections, cancer, heart disease, warts, strokes, flu, leprosy etc.
Imagine all the things that can go wrong with your brain. Especially considering how complex and multibillion synapse connections reliant it is.
To me, it's an amazing thing that there isn't WAY much more mental illness (in all its forms) than we witness in our population.
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11-02-2017, 10:53 AM
They mostly consist of individuals with personality disorders, i.e. psychopath or socialpath. Thus individuals who are out of touch with reality, in terms of lacking empathy or humanity, in terms of real emotions and feelings.
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11-03-2017, 02:26 AM
Maybe serial killers dont get laid that much.
All you gotta do is ask them questions and listen to what they have to say and shit.
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12-17-2017, 01:36 PM
Quote:Quote:
What is it? Possible malfunctioning parts in their brain to kill people, traumatic events that shaped their outlook in life or they just plain crazy? Ostrcaization like Eliot Rodger? What goes on in their heads?
Wrongly treated + Maladjusted in regard of society's standards + Living in your own alternate realty and then let time do its work...
It's only when the dude get to the point of no return that the serial killer make his entrance
Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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12-17-2017, 03:10 PM
The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Genetics!
For every psychopath out there, their parents were usually fucked up people. Richard Kuklinski father was a mean motherfucker, used to hit him hard on constantly basis, he actually wanted to kill his dad when he grew up but never had the opportunity to do it. He wasn't fond of his mother too.
The psychopath girl I dated (wrote a book about her), I have a feeling that her mother was an evil bitch too. She told me her mother passed away when she was young but she never really gave me details of how she died but I am quiet sure one of her parents was a fucked up person. Her daughter (the daughter of the psychopath) already had the predisposition to do evil even though she was only 5, I could already sense the evil in her mannerism, I am sure she picked the genes from her mother.
Genes are atavistic, meaning that even if your kids don't get your genes, your grandkids or the generation after will get it.
I will also add that your environment will certainly shape your outcome and life perspective.
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12-17-2017, 03:44 PM
One guy that really bogs my mind is Elliot Rodger.
The kid was rich, spoiled, had both parents in his life, basically a silver spooned brat.
He wasn't happy with his life and thought that life was unfair. So he goes out and kills people.
There are people who are dirt poor living in repressive governments yet they don't commit suicide, yet Elliot Rodgers dares to kill himself over not having a Blonde girlfriend?
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12-17-2017, 04:03 PM
Mass shooters and serial killers most of the time have nothing in common.
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12-17-2017, 05:43 PM
Quote: (12-17-2017 03:44 PM)Pancho Wrote:
One guy that really bogs my mind is Elliot Rodger.
The kid was rich, spoiled, had both parents in his life, basically a silver spooned brat.
He wasn't happy with his life and thought that life was unfair. So he goes out and kills people.
There are people who are dirt poor living in repressive governments yet they don't commit suicide, yet Elliot Rodgers dares to kill himself over not having a Blonde girlfriend?
That's oversimplified but You've probably stated all the reasons that made him shift from a beta into a killer, the guy had not hit rock bottom, he had, in fact, one of the best seat to watch women go crazy for lower ranks dudes who had not even a tenth of what he had.
The irony, today, would for him to look at his own gif and be wise about all that crap...
Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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12-24-2017, 12:39 PM
Spree killers are a product of a fractured, artificial society that causes them to feel alienated (in general, of course every person is different).
Serial killers have wires crossed somewhere. I think serial killers are a...force of nature. I'd imagine there are some serial killers who never got caught who racked up some terribly impressive kill counts. I think serial killers act as a check on civilization and humanity in general.
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12-28-2017, 03:47 PM
Gary Ridgway (The Green River Killer) is the most interesting case to me. He is, to be sure, the most prolific serial killer in American history.
Ridgway's unassuming manner was notable. With Bundy and Kemper, you could see their evil sides coming out. But Ridgway was so ordinary...so forgettable. As a psychologist once said, he looked like "nobody in particular and everybody in general." Perhaps this is why he's been overshadowed by men like Bundy, Ramirez, and Kemper. His personality was so bland by comparison. And therein lies the frightful paradox; that somebody so ordinary can be the most hideous of monsters.
Yet, his upbringing is similar to that of the other serial killers: i.e chronic bed-wetting, emotionally abused by his mother, torturing of animals, etc. Much has been made of these contributing factors. But I think when all is said and done, we're dealing with individuals that are very, very sick. The fact that Gary Ridgway had two brothers that were not serial killers is a testament to the fact that upbringing is not the sole deterrent; that serial killers are, essentially, troubled in their own, unique way. This anomoly points to a chemical imbalance of some sort.
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12-29-2017, 04:26 AM
March of the Titans by Arthur Kemp. Must read.