Quote: (10-25-2011 05:47 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I don't recommend getting married, period.

^^
This

Quote: (10-26-2011 10:04 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Maybe Texas. I've seen some real mammals out there. First time I went to Houston I was in dismay.

Houston was the fattest city in America for awhile, might still be.

Quote: (10-26-2011 10:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 09:17 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Here's a good cross-cut example of girls I see in weddings stateside. I don't hang out with fat people. It's not my lifestyle to be fat, and I have little in common with those that choose to live that way.

And fat women in America don't bother me. There are plenty of attractive ones running around. I'm in Socal and took a drive down Coast H-way yesterday. I was reminded of the QOG in this part of the country. Amazing. Their even out running/walking in cold, overcast weather.

Kudos to you. None of us do.

The point of the post is that the "un-fat" American girls you are hanging out with now are going to be fat after they are married.

I would like to see an update of those horribly dressed girls in that wedding picture in 5 years. Hell, 2 years.


Moma-


"There is no class in America."



Yeah, I think Ali's picture proved that.

Again your statements make no sense. The proof is on the streets. Between Charleston, Socal, and Clearwater Beach I've never seen so many attractive cougars/milfs. Some even come packaged with fake tits. In areas with a lot of attractive young girls, the older women have no choice that to stay in shape to compete. There's fat fucked up women in every country, and while statistically higher in the U.S., it's having no impact on my game here.

So G, you're trying to say ALL American women are going to get fat after marriage? Then how about all the sexy chicas >35 running around here? Just the fact that they exist, and in numbers, blows your statements out of the water. I'm beginning to think you have some deep rooted unresolved issues with the opposite sex.

Emech, was that huge tittied blond milf in a pink cowboy hat you opened fat? Was the rest of the cougars in that hotel bar fat?

"Again your statements make no sense"

Wait, who was the one talking about "a girl from the U.S. with earning potential than a poor girl from a 3rd world country that lived on dirt floors. "

Who was talking about "earning potential"?

Who was talking about 3rd world poor girls?

Who was talking about dirt floors?

And your example of horribly dressed girls at a wedding as an example of the type of girls you roll with, weakened your point if anything.

Settle down. All I was doing was sharing a slice of life that every American girl that went to a bootcamp before marriage, never came back to work out after marriage.

And yes, this was in wealthy beach town Southern California.

Have you seen 100% of American girls that work out before marriage and then worked out harder after marriage?

If not, you are just yapping.

Quote: (10-26-2011 11:06 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 10:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 09:17 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Here's a good cross-cut example of girls I see in weddings stateside. I don't hang out with fat people. It's not my lifestyle to be fat, and I have little in common with those that choose to live that way.

And fat women in America don't bother me. There are plenty of attractive ones running around. I'm in Socal and took a drive down Coast H-way yesterday. I was reminded of the QOG in this part of the country. Amazing. Their even out running/walking in cold, overcast weather.

Kudos to you. None of us do.

The point of the post is that the "un-fat" American girls you are hanging out with now are going to be fat after they are married.

I would like to see an update of those horribly dressed girls in that wedding picture in 5 years. Hell, 2 years.


Moma-


"There is no class in America."



Yeah, I think Ali's picture proved that.

Again your statements make no sense. The proof is on the streets. Between Charleston, Socal, and Clearwater Beach I've never seen so many attractive cougars/milfs. Some even come packaged with fake tits. In areas with a lot of attractive young girls, the older women have no choice that to stay in shape to compete. There's fat fucked up women in every country, and while statistically higher in the U.S., it's having no impact on my game here.

So G, you're trying to say ALL American women are going to get fat after marriage? Then how about all the sexy chicas >35 running around here? Just the fact that they exist, and in numbers, blows your statements out of the water. I'm beginning to think you have some deep rooted unresolved issues with the opposite sex.

Emech, was that huge tittied blond milf in a pink cowboy hat you opened fat? Was the rest of the cougars in that hotel bar fat?

No I had to think about the pink cowboy hat girl for a few. Ouch! We have assloads of goodlooking in shape girls even in their 50s floating around everywhere.

I enjoy looking at pictures of fat girls but by no means is there any problem finding hotties on the steady here.

The reason I wouldn't marry one is because I don't think they care about things that matter to me. Or do care but aren't willing to put in the effort to do things that girls from other countries would just do automaticly...thats why US girls hate on us guys that travel..

G Manifesto..What's the matter with the country girls wedding photo? Those girls would be considered cute and even classy in the south. The boots are about their culture.

I have been to 45 US states and every major US city for work and also lots of podunk towns everywhere. THe only places with high percentage of fit women is

1. California
2. Big metro areas in Washington state and Oregon. Small towns have behemoths.
3. Mountain states CO UT AZ MT WY...but not much population there...
4. Educated enclaves on eastern seaboard...Boston...Vermont...DC metro....
5. Touristy places on the water or in mountains...Charleston SC...Savannah GA......Destin locals(not the tourists that come there from Deep south)....Asheville NC....
6. College towns( they are too young to get fat)...

Balance is disgustingly fat...from St Louis...to Kansas City to Omaha to Houston to Chicago to Memphis(oh lordy).....

Now you can find hold outs here and there...women who are into self improvement but by and large situation is dire....in Houston for example there are hotties and i know where to find them both old and young...but they are a very small percentage....for someone with no game in Houston its impossible to even get a 4 or 5...those guys are with daughters of JABBA THE HUTT....

I concede G. You're absolutely right. EVERY single American female will get fat after marriage. The ones I see that aren't fat are figments of my imagination. Maybe I should do more beans, beakers, and weed to gain proper perspective. It would be a mute point to mention that maybe, just maybe, the girls that hit the boot camps are already in a workout regiment, and just want to step it up a notch. What hideous beast would want to look good for a photo? That's asinine. THEY SHOULD ALL LOOK FAT IN THE WEDDING PICTURES.

I mean, how fucked up is it that a girl goes to a boot camp and doesn't return? I spit in their faces. I suffered through 13 weeks of boot camp in Paris Island, and didn't return to that insufferable level of workout afterwards. Guess I'm a piece of shit too. From now own, before a photo, I'll stop getting a fresh haircut, shave, and putting on a nice shirt. Or stop hitting the gym a little harder before surf season.

Mad respect to you G.

Ali-

You need to lighten up. (Maybe you should do some drugs, I usually find that people that don't are wrapped too tight).

I never say anything about "EVERY single American female will get fat after marriage" (Nor did "earning potential", poor 3rd world girls, or dirt floors ever enter into the discussion before you brought them up.)

I was just sharing a little vignette of American life where 100% of the girls worked out hard before marriage and never came back after.

Read into it however you like.

No need to get whinny, however we all appreciated your hypersensitive defending of American women.

And just so you know, there is no "surf season".

Surfing is a year round.

Quote: (10-26-2011 11:34 AM)satanova77 Wrote:  

I have been to 45 US states and every major US city for work and also lots of podunk towns everywhere. THe only places with high percentage of fit women is

1. California
2. Big metro areas in Washington state and Oregon. Small towns have behemoths.
3. Mountain states CO UT AZ MT WY...but not much population there...
4. Educated enclaves on eastern seaboard...Boston...Vermont...DC metro....
5. Touristy places on the water or in mountains...Charleston SC...Savannah GA......Destin locals(not the tourists that come there from Deep south)....Asheville NC....
6. College towns( they are too young to get fat)...

Balance is disgustingly fat...from St Louis...to Kansas City to Omaha to Houston to Chicago to Memphis(oh lordy).....

Now you can find hold outs here and there...women who are into self improvement but by and large situation is dire....in Houston for example there are hotties and i know where to find them both old and young...but they are a very small percentage....for someone with no game in Houston its impossible to even get a 4 or 5...those guys are with daughters of JABBA THE HUTT....

I feel ya, I live in memphis. The girls here are wooly mammoths and if theyre thin then they are either ugly, or super slutty as no get out. Ive seen that the nicest girls here (of quality) are the ones who are a bit chubby/a bit over weight. But, the chubby/overweight ones here are snatched up so fast. If they're not then they are usually scared of men in general or are nerds. The wooly mammoths here have EXTREMELY high standards and then they are scary. The skinny ones here who are hot are so easy it's not funny. I wonder why memphis is #1 for rape, #3 for stds and #3 for HIV in the nation.

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I was just sharing a little vignette of American life where 100% of the girls worked out hard before marriage and never came back after.

I see this at my local gym ALL the time. Women come in, workout for 2-3 months, all the while looking more and more bronze w/ each visit and then POOF, as quick as they appeared, they're gone.

I figure they had a fun wedding and now they're down enjoying the buffet at china star.

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ali-

You need to lighten up. (Maybe you should do some drugs, I usually find that people that don't are wrapped too tight).

I never say anything about "EVERY single American female will get fat after marriage" (Nor did "earning potential", poor 3rd world girls, or dirt floors ever enter into the discussion before you brought them up.)

I was just sharing a little vignette of American life where 100% of the girls worked out hard before marriage and never came back after.

Read into it however you like.

No need to get whinny, however we all appreciated your hypersensitive defending of American women.

And just so you know, there is no "surf season".

Surfing is a year round.

That winter Atlantic water was too cold for my tastes.

I'm not whinning about it. I do get upset at the misconstruing of American women on the forum. It doesn't matter to me, as I know the truth. But for our forum brothers in other countries, who have never visited, it paints an incorrect picture.

Guys with a foreign accent, sense of style, and a little bit of game can clean house in certain parts of the U.S. If all they know about American women is from reading these threads, they may never visit, and that's not fair on them not to reap the benefits of a great hunting ground. That's why it's important to keep it real on the forum, and not make broad, sweeping statements. America is far to diverse to pigeon hole all women into one category.

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ali-

You need to lighten up. (Maybe you should do some drugs, I usually find that people that don't are wrapped too tight).

I never say anything about "EVERY single American female will get fat after marriage" (Nor did "earning potential", poor 3rd world girls, or dirt floors ever enter into the discussion before you brought them up.)

I was just sharing a little vignette of American life where 100% of the girls worked out hard before marriage and never came back after.

Read into it however you like.

No need to get whinny, however we all appreciated your hypersensitive defending of American women.

And just so you know, there is no "surf season".

Surfing is a year round.

That winter Atlantic water was too cold for my tastes.

I'm not whinning about it. I do get upset at the misconstruing of American women on the forum. It doesn't matter to me, as I know the truth. But for our forum brothers in other countries, who have never visited, it paints an incorrect picture.

Guys with a foreign accent, sense of style, and a little bit of game can clean house in certain parts of the U.S. If all they know about American women is from reading these threads, they may never visit, and that's not fair on them not to reap the benefits of a great hunting ground. That's why it's important to keep it real on the forum, and not make broad, sweeping statements. America is far to diverse to pigeon hole all women into one category.

Agreed. We do blow this up way too much. I will tell you that guys I've seen here with Aussie/South African accents get mad fine pussy thrown at them even if they don't look so great.

DBROWN bro get out of memphis if you want to have a lifestyle....however i heard midtown has some good game there where all the young college graduates live....

Anyway bottom line to keep threat on topic...i second GMAC here...dont get married...American or Martian....

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:36 PM)satanova77 Wrote:  

DBROWN bro get out of memphis if you want to have a lifestyle....however i heard midtown has some good game there where all the young college graduates live....

Anyway bottom line to keep threat on topic...i second GMAC here...dont get married...American or Martian....

Dont worry, I will when my time is up in 2 more years, then i'll transfer and be so happy. Midtown is full of old people and the college girls dont live there really anymore, too much crime is starting to pop up and midtown is having a tranny epidemic lately. The tranny prostitutes come out in the day now, it scared me.

I agree but disagree with gmac on the not getting married opinion.

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ali-

You need to lighten up. (Maybe you should do some drugs, I usually find that people that don't are wrapped too tight).

I never say anything about "EVERY single American female will get fat after marriage" (Nor did "earning potential", poor 3rd world girls, or dirt floors ever enter into the discussion before you brought them up.)

I was just sharing a little vignette of American life where 100% of the girls worked out hard before marriage and never came back after.

Read into it however you like.

No need to get whinny, however we all appreciated your hypersensitive defending of American women.

And just so you know, there is no "surf season".

Surfing is a year round.

That winter Atlantic water was too cold for my tastes.

I'm not whinning about it. I do get upset at the misconstruing of American women on the forum. It doesn't matter to me, as I know the truth. But for our forum brothers in other countries, who have never visited, it paints an incorrect picture.

Guys with a foreign accent, sense of style, and a little bit of game can clean house in certain parts of the U.S. If all they know about American women is from reading these threads, they may never visit, and that's not fair on them not to reap the benefits of a great hunting ground. That's why it's important to keep it real on the forum, and not make broad, sweeping statements. America is far to diverse to pigeon hole all women into one category.

I agree. I have a European accent and once I had a group of about seven lizards approach me and ask me to speak. That's why all this chat about Americans goes over my head.

There are 330 million people in America. Some are fat. Some are anorexic. Some are stupid. Some are ingenious. Some are gorgeous. Some are hideous.

When I went to Miami, I'd never seen so many gorgeous Latin lizards in my life. And we are talking just working in Pollo Tropical or Subway etc. They were also easy to approach and lay.
When I went to Boston, I wasn't so impressed (also easy to approach and lay).

Besides, I like my lizards with a little meat on them. Fcuk all this skinny shyt. I moved to NA to see some ass.

But that's just me.

Quote: (10-26-2011 01:36 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ali-

You need to lighten up. (Maybe you should do some drugs, I usually find that people that don't are wrapped too tight).

I never say anything about "EVERY single American female will get fat after marriage" (Nor did "earning potential", poor 3rd world girls, or dirt floors ever enter into the discussion before you brought them up.)

I was just sharing a little vignette of American life where 100% of the girls worked out hard before marriage and never came back after.

Read into it however you like.

No need to get whinny, however we all appreciated your hypersensitive defending of American women.

And just so you know, there is no "surf season".

Surfing is a year round.

That winter Atlantic water was too cold for my tastes.

I'm not whinning about it. I do get upset at the misconstruing of American women on the forum. It doesn't matter to me, as I know the truth. But for our forum brothers in other countries, who have never visited, it paints an incorrect picture.

Guys with a foreign accent, sense of style, and a little bit of game can clean house in certain parts of the U.S. If all they know about American women is from reading these threads, they may never visit, and that's not fair on them not to reap the benefits of a great hunting ground. That's why it's important to keep it real on the forum, and not make broad, sweeping statements. America is far to diverse to pigeon hole all women into one category.

I agree. I have a European accent and once I had a group of about seven lizards approach me and ask me to speak. That's why all this chat about Americans goes over my head.

There are 330 million people in America. Some are fat. Some are anorexic. Some are stupid. Some are ingenious. Some are gorgeous. Some are hideous.

When I went to Miami, I'd never seen so many gorgeous Latin lizards in my life. And we are talking just working in Pollo Tropical or Subway etc. They were also easy to approach and lay.
When I went to Boston, I wasn't so impressed (also easy to approach and lay).

Besides, I like my lizards with a little meat on them. Fcuk all this skinny shyt. I moved to NA to see some ass.

But that's just me.

Using South Beach as a gauge will definitely skew your results.

Let's also note and let that record show that you used the least "American" city in America to make your point.

Question: Which countries are fatter than America?

Ali -

I appreciate you "looking out for our foreign brothers".

However, I think that being bombarded for 50 years of positive USA imagery will not get diluted too much from my anecdote about the American experience. (Which has obviously worked wonders on you guys).

Again, you guys need to really settle down and stop getting so jumpy.

No need to get "upset" as you said, or pout.

I was sharing a true story of American life (in wealthy beach town Southern California no less) that many people have confirmed on here.

Read into it however you like.

Update on this:

Just talked to one of my biz associates and he brought this up again.

He still says girls go before their wedding and never come back.

Tip for the players out there:

He said classes are with like 40 people.

About 4 guys, 36 girls.

And usually one of the guys is suspect.

Not a bad ratio.

Quote: (10-25-2011 03:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And none of the girls ever come back for workouts after there wedding.

Manhattan Beach... every MILF there does yoga or pilates like its her job. Even then, go a mile inland or more, and the women get disgusting very quickly.

You have to live in an area where there are slender women who silently shame your woman into keeping fit. She must see these women every time she leaves the home. If you want to see her get fat, move to a boring suburb.

America is terrible for your health. I eat large portions of food, because I lift. And every time I do, I get a chorus of middle-aged people, especially women, telling me "just wait until you're 35." Hey Lady Cankles, have you ever gone more than a week without soda, cake or chocolate? When's the last time you bench pressed Mr. Pot Belly? Part of the problem is almost everyone is just so resigned to it. They see it as inevitable, so you can't really blame them for being fat, when it happens to 'everyone.'

Quote: (02-29-2012 07:45 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

You have to live in an area where there are slender women who silently shame your woman into keeping fit. She must see these women every time she leaves the home.

Competition anxiety in general seems to have that effect. Expanding on this, talk to any married guy who started running "Married Man's Game" and they'll tell you that their wives starting shedding weight when they noticed that their husbands were "alpha-ing up".

Quote: (10-26-2011 01:11 AM)blurb Wrote:  

Quote: (10-25-2011 09:27 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Or they don't bother getting in shape...

Take notice that all of them are wearing flip-flops to a wedding.

That's because no shoemaker makes size "Idaho" heels.

Let's get some things straight, ie. the numbers. Lots of this stuff you guys are arguing about is already in the statistics. I won't link to the original studies, just articles.

Americans ARE fatter. Certain Polynesian societies also have high percentages of overweight folks, like Nauru (94.5% overweight), or Tonga - America weighs in at no. 9 with 74.1% of the population overweight (I do not know if this is by BMI, which can be misleading, but usually is a decent measure for most bodytypes). End of story. Why? Probably because eating out is cheap and Americans have nearly the highest average incomes in the world. Both are signs of progress, yet progress leads to people getting fat. This is sad, but it's an interesting discussion on whether people deserve to be free to make their own choices.

Women get fatter AFTER marriage. This makes perfect sense to any long-time reader of these blogs. Men get fatter after divorce, which tells us most men have serious bouts of one-itis and divorce sends them reeling - couple this with 75% of divorces initiated by women, and half of all marriages ending in divorce, well...

These phenomena don't just apply to the US. It looks like they matter for any society that achieves urbanization and economic progress (see articles), but I don't know if this explains everything: Mediterranean girls seem to look good until they reach middle-age.

IF you are thinking about getting married, as the smart investor you should think of these things - probabilities, and you should get a smart answer from your bride-to-be. Hopefully that won't even be necessary because she will be a woman of HIGH CHARACTER (increasingly rare) and that's why you're monogamous with her.

Look for character, real measures of character, when going long-term. Most marriages fail, I believe, because most people no longer value character as much as they value the superficial stuff, like looks. If you have character, that should give you what you need to handle the rest, to stay in shape, cook your own food, live a balanced life. If you are graced with good looks but have no character, the looks may wither and then what are you left with? An empty shell.

El Jefe - a woman's charecter is irrelevant, because all women will act on their hypergamous instincts if given the chance.

I've seen the sweetest, most feminine and loyal women cheat on their boyfriends as soon as they got a chance. "Charecter" has nothing to do with it.

Basically, you're an idiot if you get married. It's like signing an anti-barking contract with a dog.



And, for the thread:

American women are fat. But that's not an issue, because I don't date fat chicks. Far more problematic is the American woman's attitude - they just aren't very pleasing to be around.

Quote: (02-29-2012 07:45 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Quote: (10-25-2011 03:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And none of the girls ever come back for workouts after there wedding.

Manhattan Beach... every MILF there does yoga or pilates like its her job. Even then, go a mile inland or more, and the women get disgusting very quickly.

You have to live in an area where there are slender women who silently shame your woman into keeping fit. She must see these women every time she leaves the home. If you want to see her get fat, move to a boring suburb.

Interestingly enough, my original vignette takes place in a Southern California Beach town on par with Manhattan Beach.

Quote: (10-26-2011 11:34 AM)satanova77 Wrote:  

I have been to 45 US states and every major US city for work and also lots of podunk towns everywhere. THe only places with high percentage of fit women is

1. California
2. Big metro areas in Washington state and Oregon. Small towns have behemoths.
3. Mountain states CO UT AZ MT WY...but not much population there...
4. Educated enclaves on eastern seaboard...Boston...Vermont...DC metro....
5. Touristy places on the water or in mountains...Charleston SC...Savannah GA......Destin locals(not the tourists that come there from Deep south)....Asheville NC....
6. College towns( they are too young to get fat)...

Balance is disgustingly fat...from St Louis...to Kansas City to Omaha to Houston to Chicago to Memphis(oh lordy).....

Now you can find hold outs here and there...women who are into self improvement but by and large situation is dire....in Houston for example there are hotties and i know where to find them both old and young...but they are a very small percentage....for someone with no game in Houston its impossible to even get a 4 or 5...those guys are with daughters of JABBA THE HUTT....

For the most part I agree with this, meaning different regions/areas have a much better proportion of bangable broads.

As an example try this; Go on POF and do a search with the 53965 zip code with a 50 mile radius and see what percentage of those broads you would hit. That will also pull some in from Madison and that is where the majority of the bangable ones will be.

In short, rural or non metro areas are a barren wasteland populated by unimaginable ugliness for the most part over vast swaths of the country. The women do nothing to improve their appearance here. Little to no makeup, no decent wardrobe, flip flops, etc. For a comparison do a search on Chicago. Now while there will be a fair number of fatties at least the majority of broads make an attempt to look decent. Not many hoodies in their POF pics for instance.

This crap is why I am so interested in moving to the Tampa area or somewhere similar. It, like other areas with a beachfront lifestyle, is an island of hotboxes in a sea of shit.

In short, yes there are portions of the country with a high proportion of nice broads, but they are the exception to the rule from my experience.

Oh, and speaking to G's comments concerning broads losing weight before getting married. That is exactly what happens here, if they can be bothered to lose the weight. The wedding cake adds 50 pounds it seems...

Also, you can tell when a fatty is getting ready to dump her man here. If she goes on a diet it's all over. She's trying to get herself presentable for the next guy and it usually starts about 6 months before the divorce.

Quote: (10-25-2011 03:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And none of the girls ever come back for workouts after there wedding.

Obviously there are lots of yummy ones in the US, but the fact of the matter is that "none of the girls ever come back" is a true, factual statement.

What doesn't get much play is that our traditional US lifestyle makes it structurally difficult for these broads; after that they go back to work, have kids, move to un-walkable suburbs, etc... its hard for them. They don't want to be biggies, but they don't have it in them to reject the trappings of an American lifestyle. Basically if you can't find time to work out, GET THE F--- OUT OF THE CAR AND WALK.

The way around it is to marry someone who 1) WALKS places (urban), 2)is an egomaniac (not recommended), 3) has social pressures to be attractive (where being chubby loses stutus), 4) yoga/fitness type, or 5) vegetarians. Especially #5. They never get fat, healthier, skin remains free of unsaturated fats, etc.

Quote: (10-25-2011 05:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Wedding day is day zero of a horrible decline

Actually, now that I've seen enough people get married, I'd say Day Zero begins right after the engagement. If you think US women are entitled, wait until you see them plan their weddings.

This is where it gets really dysfunctional and the pattern is set; after all the years of being told princess stuff... the wedding day is "their" day. So over the course of a YEAR planning process, the entitlement, histrionics, unrealistic expectations, and all the other bad stuff become patterns set in stone. A year is long enough to magically turn patterns into reality.

All guys defer to the chick, because honestly, who-tha'-f--- cares about place settings? Let her deal with it, right? But its a trap. Comforting fiancees after blowing their top over a booked venue or mommy issues seems nice... again a trap.

(If your girl goes f---ing apoplectic after finding out the Drake Hotel Ballroom in Chicago is booked, like my pal...run the f--- away unless you want to set yourself up for a life of unreasonable expectations, pathetic materialism, and constant need for others to validate you). This is the warning shot, the Coast Guard flare over the bow.

The problem is that these dudes start off on the extreme defensive deferring to the little princess on her special day, letting her plan and being supportive...and remain there. Forever.

Quote: (03-01-2012 11:04 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I've seen the sweetest, most feminine and loyal women cheat on their boyfriends as soon as they got a chance. "Charecter" has nothing to do with it.

That's a bit of an oxymoron.

I'm not convinced all women are devoid of loyalty. Most yes, but all? Unlikely.