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Quote: (10-10-2017 07:54 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  

Request is going to be good.

Also Mercury will be good too. 24M cap and Mark Cuban as an advisor. I'm liking those numbers for a flip.

Any more reasons why you think Mercury would be decent?

The platform itself is just essentially a standard messenger + blockchain, which is not something that differentiates it enough from normal messengers, but at the end of the day fundamentals only matter so much in the ICO sphere.

Maybe the Mark Cuban presence is enough to get this a 2x from normies trying to get in, I don't even know anymore man hahaha

Honestly, I'm not too sure about the long term success of this project. But from my experience this 24m cap is very low. Plus because Mark Cuban is an advisor it will get hyped up. They also have a prototype so it's not just a white paper. It differentiates itself from normal messengers because people get paid in tokens to post good content. It's just like steemit.

If anyone liked monetha the cost is ..108 today so that's the equivalent of buying during the ICO with an approx 47% bonus

Just got in on the Request ICO. Unlike Chainlink, it went quite smoothly, and I had my REQ tokens in my wallet within 5 minutes of sending in my ETH. It was a cool demonstration of how a smart contract works.

Yeah, that's always a cool feeling when you get the tokens immediately, isn't it?

Do you know when it unlocks for trading on ED?

Quote: (10-13-2017 02:48 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Yeah, that's always a cool feeling when you get the tokens immediately, isn't it?

Do you know when it unlocks for trading on ED?

Tokens tradable on the 20th

I had a theory that ICO flipping doesn't work anymore, because nobody wants to buy at 2x when they can wait for a dump. I was going to test my theory with Enigma, but Enigma was such a shitshow that I don't think it's a fair test: if I had that crap after the way they've been behaving, I'd want to dump it too just to be rid of the arrogant bastards.

So Request is my new test. If Request goes for 2x ICO a week after it unlocks, there is still life in alts, and I'm a big grump who's just in need of sleep. (Which is entirely possible.)

If Request dips below ICO, however, that's a sign that it's probably time to stop playing the ICO game.

Smooth ICO process on Request, also got my tokens within 5 mins. I think this one will be really big.

Quote: (10-13-2017 02:56 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I had a theory that ICO flipping doesn't work anymore, because nobody wants to buy at 2x when they can wait for a dump. I was going to test my theory with Enigma, but Enigma was such a shitshow that I don't think it's a fair test: if I had that crap after the way they've been behaving, I'd want to dump it too just to be rid of the arrogant bastards.

So Request is my new test. If Request goes for 2x ICO a week after it unlocks, there is still life in alts, and I'm a big grump who's just in need of sleep. (Which is entirely possible.)

If Request dips below ICO, however, that's a sign that it's probably time to stop playing the ICO game.

With BTC going to 6K and the upcoming fork going on, wont any experiment be half flawed at this moment?

Quote: (10-13-2017 02:56 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I had a theory that ICO flipping doesn't work anymore, because nobody wants to buy at 2x when they can wait for a dump. I was going to test my theory with Enigma, but Enigma was such a shitshow that I don't think it's a fair test: if I had that crap after the way they've been behaving, I'd want to dump it too just to be rid of the arrogant bastards.

So Request is my new test. If Request goes for 2x ICO a week after it unlocks, there is still life in alts, and I'm a big grump who's just in need of sleep. (Which is entirely possible.)

If Request dips below ICO, however, that's a sign that it's probably time to stop playing the ICO game.

I invested in Enigma (only a little bit) against better judgement. Kind of regretting it now. I also invested in Request today. I'm hopeful it can at least 2x.

The ICO game has changed and I think presales has ruined ICO. Whales and people that got into presale get to dump on other token holders. Just ruined the game. If Request can't 2x then I'm slowing down on ICO and only investing in the big ICOs.

If any Americans want in on Request, I have an account that I didn't use for day 2 of the sale- so let me know if you want in on 6.713 ETH of REQ at ICO price.

Quote: (10-14-2017 07:48 AM)thebassist Wrote:  

If any Americans want in on Request, I have an account that I didn't use for day 2 of the sale- so let me know if you want in on 6.713 ETH of REQ at ICO price.

Can I have it? Please PM me.

Anyone max out day 2 of Request?

I did and to some it's concerning they didn't instantly sell out day 2. I don't think that is concerning as the cap for day 2 is 6.713 Eth. If the cap for day 2 was raised more in sure it would've sold out.

With a strict KYC and investors such as ING and YCombinator I'm sure this will be an easy flip even in this BTC dominant period.

Enigma is doin well USD wise. Right now I'm sitting on a couple hundred dollar profit (even if I held the eth it would've been more). I'm going to hold my ENG tokens for a bit and see what happens. They're already trading on several different exchanges.

Quote: (10-13-2017 04:56 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  

The ICO game has changed and I think presales has ruined ICO. Whales and people that got into presale get to dump on other token holders. Just ruined the game. If Request can't 2x then I'm slowing down on ICO and only investing in the big ICOs.

Interesting. Can you unpack that a bit? Is it something like this:

-A few large players buy big chunks in presale at pre-ICO price (X)
-Sale opens and the rest are bought at ICO price (say 2X)
-Sale complete and token is traded on exchange. Pre-sale buyers immediately sell at between X to 2X. Price could drop below ICO price, or flatline. They dont care as they are making up to X in profit.
-Later would-be investors have no confidence, as they see how it traded at first: initial spike and crash, or flatline

So the effect is price tanks quickly and early, because a few big players got in first and sold as soon as they saw ROI? Then the confidence of later potential buyers is destroyed because they see spike-crash or flatline, and so the token trades sideways for a long while thereafter

Whereas with no presale and/or with limited tokens per buyer, there aren't 40% of people dumping on day 1 to make a profit. So there's likelihood of a more sustained price increase once it trades on exchanges, higher confidence, and it plateaus higher.

Is that about right?

Yes that's exactly how I feel. Also since all these "whales" are so eager to purchase coins at a high discount these companies are overshooting their marketcap as well. So higher marketcap means it's less likely to make huge gains as opposed to a lower cap.

Would you agree?

Quote: (10-14-2017 03:20 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  

Anyone max out day 2 of Request?

I did and to some it's concerning they didn't instantly sell out day 2. I don't think that is concerning as the cap for day 2 is 6.713 Eth. If the cap for day 2 was raised more in sure it would've sold out.

With a strict KYC and investors such as ING and YCombinator I'm sure this will be an easy flip even in this BTC dominant period.

Enigma is doin well USD wise. Right now I'm sitting on a couple hundred dollar profit (even if I held the eth it would've been more). I'm going to hold my ENG tokens for a bit and see what happens. They're already trading on several different exchanges.

I don't think it was possible to max out on day two. There were only about 14,000 approved participants and I looked at the wallet and saw some people making some very low deposits.

I assume that a majority of the applications are who are very familiar with token sales. Most people didn't even get the chance to get on their slack and join the whitelist.

The fact that it didn't sell out on day 2 is nothing to be concerned about. It sold out on day 3 when the maximum contribute was doubled.

Y Combinator means that Silicon Valley is watching now very closely. It's been branded "Crypto Paypal." I think this is a 2x minimum.

And I'm with Sam Rob, if it doesn't at least 2x then it's the end of ICOs for a while and I would actually start cashing out at that point.

Quote: (10-15-2017 05:07 PM)RichieP Wrote:  

Quote: (10-13-2017 04:56 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  

The ICO game has changed and I think presales has ruined ICO. Whales and people that got into presale get to dump on other token holders. Just ruined the game. If Request can't 2x then I'm slowing down on ICO and only investing in the big ICOs.

Interesting. Can you unpack that a bit? Is it something like this:

-A few large players buy big chunks in presale at pre-ICO price (X)
-Sale opens and the rest are bought at ICO price (say 2X)
-Sale complete and token is traded on exchange. Pre-sale buyers immediately sell at between X to 2X. Price could drop below ICO price, or flatline. They dont care as they are making up to X in profit.
-Later would-be investors have no confidence, as they see how it traded at first: initial spike and crash, or flatline

So the effect is price tanks quickly and early, because a few big players got in first and sold as soon as they saw ROI? Then the confidence of later potential buyers is destroyed because they see spike-crash or flatline, and so the token trades sideways for a long while thereafter

Whereas with no presale and/or with limited tokens per buyer, there aren't 40% of people dumping on day 1 to make a profit. So there's likelihood of a more sustained price increase once it trades on exchanges, higher confidence, and it plateaus higher.

Is that about right?

Now there are pre pre-sales in which big money gets in with huge bonuses. They have become smart to how easy the money is.

My first ICO was SALT and I bought at $5 per SALT. Only after did I learn that pre-sales got in at $0.25 per SALT. Luckily I set a buy order at around $5.50 so I didn't lose a cent on SALT thank God.

But it goes to show that there is a lot more going on in the background before the ICOs and even the presales.

A good idea would be to start a company or fund in Cayman Islands and start contacting these companies directly to get these huge bonuses.

When I say max out I meant max out individual cap. I maxed out my individual cap three straight days. Something about this ICO has me excited. Just the fact that it's YC and ING back then I knew this can be something special. Also a lot of people are counting it out because there's no prototype. I normally don't invest in ICO with no prototype but this is something special.

Quote: (10-15-2017 09:50 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  

When I say max out I meant max out individual cap. I maxed out my individual cap three straight days. Something about this ICO has me excited. Just the fact that it's YC and ING back then I knew this can be something special. Also a lot of people are counting it out because there's no prototype. I normally don't invest in ICO with no prototype but this is something special.

YC is constantly inundated with requests for startups. Literally thousands a month. And they chose to back Request. That is a lot more significant than a lot of people realize.

YC has launched airbnb, Dropbox, Reddit. Some of the most used websites on planet.

Quote: (10-15-2017 09:31 PM)Bill Brasky Wrote:  

I don't think it was possible to max out on day two. There were only about 14,000 approved participants and I looked at the wallet and saw some people making some very low deposits.

I assume that a majority of the applications are who are very familiar with token sales. Most people didn't even get the chance to get on their slack and join the whitelist.

This token sale was actually much more exclusive than it would appear. The only condition to register for the white list was to sign up to the slack with an email address. I personally know at least one person who went completely ham on this and signed up 50-100 emails in total (for him and a couple friends), and safe to say many whales and people in the know did the same as well since passports only had to be provided at a later date.

By the time I was seeing proper posts about this ICO on /biz/ and reddit the whitelist was already at 15,000 or so, out of the limit of 21,000 that they had set. I think it took no more than a day or two for them to reach their limit after this point in time, and I have absolutely no doubt that the waiting list numbered in the tens of thousands given how many people I saw posting about having missed the whitelist.

So what I'm saying is that there's thousands of people out there who missed out on the whitelist and are ready to FOMO into this shit at 4-5x just to be involved with Y Combinator's first blockchain-oriented startup. Everyone's heard of so many of the companies they've launched: Airbnb, Dropbox, Twitch, now they're ready to believe that Request will be the next name in that star-studded list.

Even with all of this bitcoin madness going on this one's gonna be fucking massive brahs. There's already going to be so many people who will be rushing over to EtherDelta to snap up whatever they can at 2x before the big exchanges hit, and when the big exchanges do come through REQ is going to blow up.

This is it brahs, this is one of the best ICOs we're going to see for quite a while- so strap the fuck in and get ready for this rocket to take off on the 20th. I've also been getting the sense that ICOs are slowly running out of juice- now only the biggest and most hyped ICOs will cut it if you want to see big, immediate gains. I have very high expectations for this, but if Request fails to even 3x I will be disappointed, and if it goes anywhere below 2x then SamB is right and ICOs are dead.

So keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best, I think we're gonna make it.

Do you guys think Request is still a sure bet to buy at 2x on EtherDelta?

Quote: (10-16-2017 02:23 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

Do you guys think Request is still a sure bet to buy at 2x on EtherDelta?

I would say so- Kyber was trading around 2x on ED before mooning on liqui at 5x. Generally I would make sure to wait maybe one day before picking up hot ICO tokens on ED, as the day 1 FOMO brigade tends to drive up prices early on before it subsides to a lower equilibrium level.

What are your opinions on Wysker? It's still in presale now and you can buy as many tokens as you like.

https://www.wystoken.org/

Looks dumb.