Quick note to everyone that Hermosa Beach had several cuties last week Friday on the beach and at the bars in front of Pier. It was my first time there and saw several hot white girls there. More than Santa Monica and more than Hollywood (unless on a Fri/Sat at the right club/hotel lobby maybe)

To the playas who work that spot, sorry but it is a high stream area at least on a Friday afternoon.

Also met a tourist who went there because it was feature in Lalaland movie.

Quote: (07-04-2017 05:22 PM)Ultimate Wingman Wrote:  

Quick note to everyone that Hermosa Beach had several cuties last week Friday on the beach and at the bars in front of Pier. It was my first time there and saw several hot white girls there. More than Santa Monica and more than Hollywood (unless on a Fri/Sat at the right club/hotel lobby maybe)

To the playas who work that spot, sorry but it is a high stream area at least on a Friday afternoon.

Also met a tourist who went there because it was feature in Lalaland movie.

Hermosa Beach is good in the summer. Easily compares to Santa Monica/Venice on summer weekends and holidays. Problem is going to be logistics there.

By the way I was there on the 4th and there were hotties EVERYWHERE. So mad I got too fucked up and also stuck with my friend who got us into an extended social circle situation where we were the outsiders and I asked him several times if we could leave and hit on random bitches.

Lotsa talent. Might check out Seal Beach this weekend for a little day trip.

Manhattan Beach 6 man is coming back on a saturday in a few weeks. Back in the day, it was the ultimate all day party/drink/hookup fest.

Hermosa Pier concerts on sundays are good too, lots of families mixed in though

Quote: (07-07-2017 08:55 PM)Drazen Wrote:  

Manhattan Beach 6 man is coming back on a saturday in a few weeks. Back in the day, it was the ultimate all day party/drink/hookup fest.

Hermosa Pier concerts on sundays are good too, lots of families mixed in though

Oh man, that brings back some memories. Yeah, the MB 6-man used to be off the hook... tons of gorgeous women all over the place, total sensory overload!

Then they clamped down on the partying hard, moved it to weekdays or some such shit and killed off a good bit of the vibe Haven't been back in years...

https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/5/15926914/...local-bill

Passed one more hurdle!
Do you guys think this will improve the night game situation much?

Quote: (07-09-2017 04:47 AM)spaceman Wrote:  

https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/5/15926914/...local-bill

Passed one more hurdle!
Do you guys think this will improve the night game situation much?

Wow, that's crazy. Very interesting to see how that will impact the dynamics of night game.

In areas where there are many venues close together, will give it more of a NY/Tokyo/Vegas vibe maybe since will be more 24/7 "feel" (even though it's not totally but you know what I mean) but for spots that are a little far off, not sure

Quote: (07-07-2017 10:56 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Quote: (07-07-2017 08:55 PM)Drazen Wrote:  

Manhattan Beach 6 man is coming back on a saturday in a few weeks. Back in the day, it was the ultimate all day party/drink/hookup fest.

Hermosa Pier concerts on sundays are good too, lots of families mixed in though

Oh man, that brings back some memories. Yeah, the MB 6-man used to be off the hook... tons of gorgeous women all over the place, total sensory overload!

Then they clamped down on the partying hard, moved it to weekdays or some such shit and killed off a good bit of the vibe Haven't been back in years...

I initially chose to check out Hermosa beach compared to the other nearby beach areas because many online reviews mentioned lotsa families in the other areas and more "upper class" feel where a few ppl compared area in front of Hermosa Beach being a little Hollywood like (they meant it in a derogatory way) but for guys, seemed perfect for having streams to go fishing in.

Quote: (07-09-2017 04:47 AM)spaceman Wrote:  

https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/5/15926914/...local-bill

Passed one more hurdle!
Do you guys think this will improve the night game situation much?

It would definitely make a positive impact. How much of an impact would probably depend on the person.

Having lived in a city where there was no last call, 2 am last call (which really comes out to like 1:30 a.m. last call in LA) is a total cockblock. For a number of reasons, most pulls happen between between 2 and 4 am so fixing this law could potentially be a gamechanger.

Quote: (07-09-2017 09:11 PM)rungoodinc Wrote:  

Quote: (07-09-2017 04:47 AM)spaceman Wrote:  

https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/5/15926914/...local-bill

Passed one more hurdle!
Do you guys think this will improve the night game situation much?

It would definitely make a positive impact. How much of an impact would probably depend on the person.

Having lived in a city where there was no last call, 2 am last call (which really comes out to like 1:30 a.m. last call in LA) is a total cockblock. For a number of reasons, most pulls happen between between 2 and 4 am so fixing this law could potentially be a gamechanger.

Why would you think most pulls happen between 2-4am? If someone hasn't gotten laid by then, they probably aren't going to. The exception here is NYC. But most of my pulls have come early in the night, unless I'm in a club where later is normal.

Quote: (07-09-2017 09:19 PM)LAKings Wrote:  

Why would you think most pulls happen between 2-4am? If someone hasn't gotten laid by then, they probably aren't going to. The exception here is NYC. But most of my pulls have come early in the night, unless I'm in a club where later is normal.

Really? How early do your pulls typically happen in LA? Most bars here don't even get full until 11 or later, and neither I (nor anybody I know) has ever pulled a girl here before midnight. Even at a more chill bar which isn't necessarily poppin till 2, I usually have to either stick with her at least after midnight, or bounce her to a more happening place before bringing her home.

For me, between 1245 and 130 is pretty much the magic hour (except at EDM clubs) where I try to make something happen, and if it hasn't happened by then, it'll probably be a last-minute bail where she ends up leaving with her friends. If I don't have a girl hooked by 1, I usually just end up tossing a bunch of hail marys which rarely go anywhere. Sometimes they do, but its pretty uncommon, and if it does its usually a drunken makeout followed by the friends coming to the rescue. Even if you aren't completely outcome dependent, you can feel a little bit of pressure when the bar is about to close and you haven't pulled yet. I know lots of guys who feel the same way.

I don't necessarily enjoy staying up till 4am partying on a regular basis due to my erratic work schedule, but I'll be happy if this law passes since it takes the pressure off of needing to pull within a ~2-3 hour window. You can still pull at 1am whether the bar closes at 2 or at 4, but if you want to keep partying later, you can do that too. I think its a win win.

Quote: (07-10-2017 11:40 AM)RDF Wrote:  

Quote: (07-09-2017 09:19 PM)LAKings Wrote:  

Why would you think most pulls happen between 2-4am? If someone hasn't gotten laid by then, they probably aren't going to. The exception here is NYC. But most of my pulls have come early in the night, unless I'm in a club where later is normal.

Really? How early do your pulls typically happen in LA? Most bars here don't even get full until 11 or later, and neither I (nor anybody I know) has ever pulled a girl here before midnight. Even at a more chill bar which isn't necessarily poppin till 2, I usually have to either stick with her at least after midnight, or bounce her to a more happening place before bringing her home.

For me, between 1245 and 130 is pretty much the magic hour (except at EDM clubs) where I try to make something happen, and if it hasn't happened by then, it'll probably be a last-minute bail where she ends up leaving with her friends. If I don't have a girl hooked by 1, I usually just end up tossing a bunch of hail marys which rarely go anywhere. Sometimes they do, but its pretty uncommon, and if it does its usually a drunken makeout followed by the friends coming to the rescue. Even if you aren't completely outcome dependent, you can feel a little bit of pressure when the bar is about to close and you haven't pulled yet. I know lots of guys who feel the same way.

I don't necessarily enjoy staying up till 4am partying on a regular basis due to my erratic work schedule, but I'll be happy if this law passes since it takes the pressure off of needing to pull within a ~2-3 hour window. You can still pull at 1am whether the bar closes at 2 or at 4, but if you want to keep partying later, you can do that too. I think its a win win.

I haven't lived in LA in years, don't let my username fool ya. But pulling before midnight is not hard. However I was more so speaking in general and not specific to LA. If most pulls happened between 2 and 4am, then there would be no sex going on in most US cities.

Perhaps rungoodinc having lived in a city with no last call makes him see this differently. Yes once you've been able to go out past 2am and then go back to having a last call, it doesn't compare. I do agree that last call at 2am puts a hamper on things, but it doesn't change things for me.

This goes for any US city. I'm a big club guy and those don't get hopping until later in the night, so I hope this law passes.

Pulling before midnight is easy/regular? Teach me your ways bro.

LAKings completely reversed what he said in his second post. LMAO

Quote: (07-10-2017 05:13 PM)spaceman Wrote:  

LAKings completely reversed what he said in his second post. LMAO

I'm not sure what you mean but alright.

Quote: (07-10-2017 03:03 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

Pulling before midnight is easy/regular? Teach me your ways bro.

The best time to pull in LA clubs and bars is from 10:30 PM to 11:45 PM. This is the period when the girl/guy ratio is about 60/40. The dance floor is mainly occupied by women because, unlike guys, they don't need that liquid courage called alcohol. You need to choose and isolate your target during this window of opportunity. By midnight, the girl/guy ratio will be 30/70 and by the last call it will be 15/85. If you pay attention, you will notice that most girls leave clubs by 00:45.

Females here mainly go to clubs to get their weekly dose of thirsty male validation. You must not let this happen if you want to get laid. When she is not validated, she is vulnerable to your game. The more validation she gets during the night the higher is her bitch shield. This is true for males as well. There are nights when I get some extra attention from girls and this makes me more aloof. In the end, this aloofness causes me to ignore IOIs and go home alone. I would advise not to drink when going out in LA. This will make things easier because you can drive your car and as all previous posters stated, logistics is the king in LA dating scheme.

Quote: (07-11-2017 01:49 AM)speculator Wrote:  

Quote: (07-10-2017 03:03 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

Pulling before midnight is easy/regular? Teach me your ways bro.

The best time to pull in LA clubs and bars is from 10:30 PM to 11:45 PM. This is the period when the girl/guy ratio is about 60/40. The dance floor is mainly occupied by women because, unlike guys, they don't need that liquid courage called alcohol. You need to choose and isolate your target during this window of opportunity. By midnight, the girl/guy ratio will be 30/70 and by the last call it will be 15/85. If you pay attention, you will notice that most girls leave clubs by 00:45.

Females here mainly go to clubs to get their weekly dose of thirsty male validation. You must not let this happen if you want to get laid. When she is not validated, she is vulnerable to your game. The more validation she gets during the night the higher is her bitch shield. This is true for males as well. There are nights when I get some extra attention from girls and this makes me more aloof. In the end, this aloofness causes me to ignore IOIs and go home alone. I would advise not to drink when going out in LA. This will make things easier because you can drive your car and as all previous posters stated, logistics is the king in LA dating scheme.

So you're saying you should have engaged with your target by 10:30-11:45 PM. I think that's a no brainer. If I'm not walking home with a chick by 1AM I'm already in Hail Mary mode and know I fucked up. I thought you were claiming to literally be pulling these girls home that early which to me seems impossible considering most girls don't even walk through the door before 10PM.

At the end of the day, LA is so sprawling and logistics so shitty that I think it's best to focus on an area close to where you live. I'm not driving around LA late at night though or going to bars/clubs sober just to talk to girls. Boooorrriiiiinng.

I really think that LA game is really coming down to neighborhood game. Live in the neighborhood where you wanna pimp at and focus there. There's sooooo many logistical issues with LA game because it's too decentralized as far as nightlife and where everyone lives. You can have tight game all you want but good luck pulling Hollywood chicks if you live in the Valley or Santa Monica chicks if you live in Hermosa. Or you meet a girl who lives close enough to you but she picked up her friend in East LA and has to take her home or ditch her to fuck a random guy. OH NO anti-slut defenses!!!

Lol just so much logistical hassle with LA night game unless you live close to the venues you're frequenting in my opinion. I've focused my game in Long Beach and it has served me pretty damn well to be honest. That was a conscious logistic decision. I can't imagine living in Culver or Venice or anywhere on the west side and trying to bang chicks in Hollywood or vice versa. Even when I lived in Redondo and partied on Hermosa pier it was so annoying dealing with how to get the logistics right if I meet a chick from Inglewood, or Hawthorne, or even Torrance and they came with a friend and now it's like musical chairs and herding cats just to get the chick to my pad. LA logistics are truly a player's nightmare in my opinion.

I don't know how you guys do it. Also I love drinking and hate driving at night so it's always uber for me. I'm the last person you'll catch driving around LA at night. Even when I go to parties/clubs there (rarely) I always uber.

What part of LA do you live in and what part of LA do you game in/pull from?

Quote: (07-11-2017 01:49 AM)speculator Wrote:  

The best time to pull in LA clubs and bars is from 10:30 PM to 11:45 PM. This is the period when the girl/guy ratio is about 60/40. The dance floor is mainly occupied by women because, unlike guys, they don't need that liquid courage called alcohol. You need to choose and isolate your target during this window of opportunity. By midnight, the girl/guy ratio will be 30/70 and by the last call it will be 15/85. If you pay attention, you will notice that most girls leave clubs by 00:45.

I completely agree with the bolded part. Before midnight is by far the best time to make approaches in LA bars. However, the pulling aspect is harder since a girl most likely won't be leaving her friends really early in the night. As I said, I've never gotten a girl to leave the bar with me before midnight, and neither has any guy I know. That's why I was so surprised that there are people who are pulling regularly before that time, and if you have gotten a girl to leave that early with you, I'd be curious to hear more.

Yeah, logistics out here are terrible, but that's how it's always been, we just gotta roll with it. A few months ago I fucked a girl in Hermosa after I weaseled my way into her spot which was walking distance from the bar, and luckily her roommates weren't back yet so it worked out. If I hadn't done that, I would've been dead in the water since I live 45 mins away (without traffic) and had split an uber there w/ friends, no chance she was going to ride all the way back with me to my spot.

In fairness that was probably an aberration, and pulling the same night from a spot more than 20 mins away from my place is pretty unusual. In those cases I usually grab a ton of numbers and just text blast for dates the following week. I've had more luck with girls willing to travel to me for dates on a weeknight than to come all the way back with me at 2am on a weekend.

Quote: (07-11-2017 10:51 AM)RDF Wrote:  

Quote: (07-11-2017 01:49 AM)speculator Wrote:  

The best time to pull in LA clubs and bars is from 10:30 PM to 11:45 PM. This is the period when the girl/guy ratio is about 60/40. The dance floor is mainly occupied by women because, unlike guys, they don't need that liquid courage called alcohol. You need to choose and isolate your target during this window of opportunity. By midnight, the girl/guy ratio will be 30/70 and by the last call it will be 15/85. If you pay attention, you will notice that most girls leave clubs by 00:45.

I completely agree with the bolded part. Before midnight is by far the best time to make approaches in LA bars. However, the pulling aspect is harder since a girl most likely won't be leaving her friends really early in the night. As I said, I've never gotten a girl to leave the bar with me before midnight, and neither has any guy I know. That's why I was so surprised that there are people who are pulling regularly before that time, and if you have gotten a girl to leave that early with you, I'd be curious to hear more.

Yeah, logistics out here are terrible, but that's how it's always been, we just gotta roll with it. A few months ago I fucked a girl in Hermosa after I weaseled my way into her spot which was walking distance from the bar, and luckily her roommates weren't back yet so it worked out. If I hadn't done that, I would've been dead in the water since I live 45 mins away (without traffic) and had split an uber there w/ friends, no chance she was going to ride all the way back with me to my spot.

In fairness that was probably an aberration, and pulling the same night from a spot more than 20 mins away from my place is pretty unusual. In those cases I usually grab a ton of numbers and just text blast for dates the following week. I've had more luck with girls willing to travel to me for dates on a weeknight than to come all the way back with me at 2am on a weekend.

Yeah come to think of it, it typically ends up being to where I end up getting the number from a solid pull and doing date game. Which is a whole other headache with flaking and doing the dating game and possibly not fucking for another date or two after you get the first one. My main issue is the amount of time dating game takes. I work full-time, commute, take online classes, and exercise. I don't want to go on dates during the week and its a time/energy/money sink. Dating multiple chicks takes a huge toll on my time and energy and productivity.

Though I must say I've been fairly successful with dating game especially when it comes to getting better looking chicks. It's just frustrating that night game is such a bitch. I swear I'm gonna clean house when I finally move.

I was curious about LA girls mentalities..... is it normal for the guy to pay for all the drinks on a first date? Where I live, the girls will at least offer (sometimes) or pay for shit sometimes. Or at least do the pump fake, where they act like they are going for their purse... If I am out with a girl I am dating regularly, she will sometimes pay for stuff or we go halfies. This LA mentality kinda bothers me where the girls are getting offered dick and free drinks all day.

From what I heard, the 2am law might soon be changing. In the meantime, if you haven't snagged any tail yet, you can check out the Bamboo House in Little Armenia just east of Hollywood. They serve 'cappuccino's' which is code for beers after 2am.

Depending on how much energy you have, there's also Joseph's which opens at around 6:30am. I don't really have the energy for 6am parties, but if you don't mind Asian pussy, this place is brimming with it.

Quote: (07-11-2017 09:59 AM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

Quote: (07-11-2017 01:49 AM)speculator Wrote:  

Quote: (07-10-2017 03:03 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

Pulling before midnight is easy/regular? Teach me your ways bro.

The best time to pull in LA clubs and bars is from 10:30 PM to 11:45 PM. This is the period when the girl/guy ratio is about 60/40. The dance floor is mainly occupied by women because, unlike guys, they don't need that liquid courage called alcohol. You need to choose and isolate your target during this window of opportunity. By midnight, the girl/guy ratio will be 30/70 and by the last call it will be 15/85. If you pay attention, you will notice that most girls leave clubs by 00:45.

Females here mainly go to clubs to get their weekly dose of thirsty male validation. You must not let this happen if you want to get laid. When she is not validated, she is vulnerable to your game. The more validation she gets during the night the higher is her bitch shield. This is true for males as well. There are nights when I get some extra attention from girls and this makes me more aloof. In the end, this aloofness causes me to ignore IOIs and go home alone. I would advise not to drink when going out in LA. This will make things easier because you can drive your car and as all previous posters stated, logistics is the king in LA dating scheme.

So you're saying you should have engaged with your target by 10:30-11:45 PM. I think that's a no brainer. If I'm not walking home with a chick by 1AM I'm already in Hail Mary mode and know I fucked up. I thought you were claiming to literally be pulling these girls home that early which to me seems impossible considering most girls don't even walk through the door before 10PM.

At the end of the day, LA is so sprawling and logistics so shitty that I think it's best to focus on an area close to where you live. I'm not driving around LA late at night though or going to bars/clubs sober just to talk to girls. Boooorrriiiiinng.

I really think that LA game is really coming down to neighborhood game. Live in the neighborhood where you wanna pimp at and focus there. There's sooooo many logistical issues with LA game because it's too decentralized as far as nightlife and where everyone lives. You can have tight game all you want but good luck pulling Hollywood chicks if you live in the Valley or Santa Monica chicks if you live in Hermosa. Or you meet a girl who lives close enough to you but she picked up her friend in East LA and has to take her home or ditch her to fuck a random guy. OH NO anti-slut defenses!!!

Lol just so much logistical hassle with LA night game unless you live close to the venues you're frequenting in my opinion. I've focused my game in Long Beach and it has served me pretty damn well to be honest. That was a conscious logistic decision. I can't imagine living in Culver or Venice or anywhere on the west side and trying to bang chicks in Hollywood or vice versa. Even when I lived in Redondo and partied on Hermosa pier it was so annoying dealing with how to get the logistics right if I meet a chick from Inglewood, or Hawthorne, or even Torrance and they came with a friend and now it's like musical chairs and herding cats just to get the chick to my pad. LA logistics are truly a player's nightmare in my opinion.

I don't know how you guys do it. Also I love drinking and hate driving at night so it's always uber for me. I'm the last person you'll catch driving around LA at night. Even when I go to parties/clubs there (rarely) I always uber.

What part of LA do you live in and what part of LA do you game in/pull from?

I game in various locations in LA county. Here is my partial list:

If you are into Korean chicks, visit the club on the first floor of The Line Hotel on Wilshire in Koreatown. There is no cover charge and they close at 2AM. The Korean chicks will tease you in front of Korean guys and you won't get anywhere if you play their games. The best place to isolate them is the smoking area and the front of the club after it closes.

If you are into Hispanic/Latina milfs scattered with younger females, visit Giggles on Brand in Glendale on Saturdays. The cover is $10 and they are open until 3AM with the last call at 2:30AM. Be aggressive cause latinas crave machismo. Polish your salsa/bachata skills before going here. Sometimes being an attractive young dude is the only requirement.

If you are into white cougars(or milfs of any kind) scattered with young hotties of various backgrounds, visit Bogies Bar in Westlake Village. The cover is $10 and they close at 2AM. Be aloof at first and after the horny milfs are tired from getting validation from beta simps, they will turn to you. Be aggressive. The main advantage of this place is that both of you need to drive back to LA which makes bringing them back to your place easier.

If you are into weird hos of Hollywood and tourist bitches, visit Sound Nightclub on on Las Palmas in Hollywood. They are open until 3:30 AM. Dance your night away or try to isolate some drunk slut. It is very noisy so you will need to rely on your body language and attitude.

If you are into white chicks with some occasional Armenians and black chicks, visit Bar Celona on Colorado in Pasadena. If it doesn't get busy here try to bounce to the neighboring Club 54.

If you are into Russian or FSU chicks, go to Romanov Restaurant on Ventura Blvd in Studio City. They have karaoke nights here and many single Russian/FSU girls come here to find their suitors. Speaking Russian is a huge advantage.

^^ Respect for driving all over LA to game all these different chicks, your gas bill must be crazy

Quote: (07-16-2017 09:47 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

From what I heard, the 2am law might soon be changing. In the meantime, if you haven't snagged any tail yet, you can check out the Bamboo House in Little Armenia just east of Hollywood. They serve 'cappuccino's' which is code for beers after 2am.

Depending on how much energy you have, there's also Joseph's which opens at around 6:30am. I don't really have the energy for 6am parties, but if you don't mind Asian pussy, this place is brimming with it.

been to josephs a few times, place is good music and usually a bunch of people rolling / blown out from the previous night. also, there are hookers and pimps here. just a heads up. i think it goes from like 6am till noon, so, yeh, thats the scene.

be careful at bamboo house. A lot of underworld types there. Id be very cautious which girls you try to talk to.

I also got the vibe that the Thai male owner/manager is a former military guy (likely corrupt). He also will not serve people if he doesnt like you. He tried to charge one of the guys 85 dolllars for a cappucino because he was thuggish. Prolly wanted to get rid of him. Then i step in w/my hottie and he charges us 18 for 2. lol

Going to LA with a wing in December for about 3 days, for night game and for fun - where should we stay? Seems like the city is huge, it's a little confusing. Still relatively new to the game if that makes any difference, we've recently gotten past the point where approaching and having conversations isn't an issue anymore, now it's more figuring out how to handle everything that comes after that . Can afford something up to around $200 / night, looking for some airbnb or something with good logistics at that price

Quote: (09-25-2017 10:17 PM)peacepeace65 Wrote:  

Going to LA with a wing in December for about 3 days, for night game and for fun - where should we stay? Seems like the city is huge, it's a little confusing. Still relatively new to the game if that makes any difference, we've recently gotten past the point where approaching and having conversations isn't an issue anymore, now it's more figuring out how to handle everything that comes after that . Can afford something up to around $200 / night, looking for some airbnb or something with good logistics at that price

I would suggest staying near santa monica and look into double tree or nearby hotels, they are usually around $250, also might be worth looking into airbnbs. If you are new then 3rd street promenade and santa monica pier will give you plenty of day game opportunities and for night you can just hit up "bungalow" which is a famous bar near the beach. It also is a pua mecca so just keep that in mind.