Not sure if this belongs in the lifestyles thread.

I know there's a lot of discussion on PUA style. About being different/unique, the importance of suiting up, finding ones own style, etc.

However, I find, living in L.A., I can't really compete with the big dogs. I know I can go into Greystone Manor or MyHouse and there's gonna be some Persians rolling up in a Maserati and wearing $5,000. I do okay financially, but not quite making the 6 figures yet, and definitely not driving an exotic sports car. There's no way I can stand out by rocking the Brioni and Varvatos.

For me, personally, rather than focusing on dressing "razor sharp", I find it's much more important to have a good conversation piece, and one thing I've heard a lot over the years, to the point of integrating it into my routine, is "I like your shirt". I've been approached regularly for my tees, and call me superstitious, but I swear I could create a data sheet for some shirts over others. When I'm picking up shirts, I automatically go for the most eye catching, the one that grabs my attention, and hopefully, others'. Here's a few in my collection:
http://www.projectshirt.com/squid-hyena.html
http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/2008/11...ollection/ (the kandinsky shirt)
http://vinteeage.com/page/100/
Now, couple one of these shirts with a sports jacket, a decent pair of vintage jeans, some italian boots, and I can get some serious interest when I'm engaging girls. We're talking a $250 investment for everything, which will barely get you a dress shirt at one of L.A.'s more higher end stores.

I think it's ultimately far more important to be sporting something "interesting" that has a story behind it, than going high end.

Looks like you haven't read bang. Roosh speaks about the days he sported the hugo boss shirts to go clubbing and in the end deemed it was not a game changer. Yes it's important to have style, but it doesnt have to be expensive.

Shirts are important, but if you are on a budget, hit the gym and work on your physique. Speaking to girls about this, they drool for a man with a v shaped torso, abs, big arms. Do the curls to get the girls.

If you are bent on getting expensive shirts, avoid those high end stores. Macy's, or Newman Marcus do have some sales. Online stores as well, you can find some bargains. Otherwise, hit the gym, get a physique to optimize female attention and sport something simple from the gap. Besides, chicks don't know squat about men's designer pieces etc. mixx mentioned in a post about his watch and some chick calling it a Rolex. They have no clue.

Agreed although a nice shirt can help matters, a good looking guy can wear anything and he will look good. I often just go out in a 10 Euro Zara fitted t-shirt.

Shoes are another story, I cannot over-empaphasise the importance of good shoes.

Quote: (02-19-2012 02:45 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

However, I find, living in L.A., I can't really compete with the big dogs. I know I can go into Greystone Manor or MyHouse and there's gonna be some Persians rolling up in a Maserati and wearing $5,000.

$5,000 what?

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I do okay financially, but not quite making the 6 figures yet, and definitely not driving an exotic sports car. There's no way I can stand out by rocking the Brioni and Varvatos.

Varvatos is the worst. Real popular in LA.

It's atrocious.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:06 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

Shirts are important, but if you are on a budget, hit the gym and work on your physique. Speaking to girls about this, they drool for a man with a v shaped torso, abs, big arms. Do the curls to get the girls.

Not sure I agree with this. At least where I roll.

Where are you rolling? Bodybuilding bars?

I think style is equally or more important than being in shape.

Being a roid head is many times a negative.

It's not the 80's anymore.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:25 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Shoes are another story, I cannot over-empaphasise the importance of good shoes.

Girls say they can appreciate good shoes, but we all know what to think about what girls say.

Girls really can't tell.

The more I upgrade my style, the more I realize that girls have no clue about mens style. Understand that they don't read mens magazines or web sites.

For example, they don't know that a man's shirt cuff should peek out an inch or so from the suit cuff. They don't know where a tie should end. They know nothing about pocket squares. They seem to take in a man's entire look and make a snap judgement about it without focusing on the details until after (i.e. she will see your watch later). Their only real skills seem to be color coordination, like which color tie would match with a shirt.

Their entire idea of what is "stylish" for men comes from what celebrities wear in magazines, music videos, and movies.

G, I should have been more clear. Juice monkey look is not what I'm talking about. But having a nice body with some muscle tone doesn't hurt anybody. Mixx mentioned his build as a running back before, and I'm sure this helps to attract so does a custom suit.

Not everybody can go and buy an expensive wardrobe or shirt. I agree that style is important, but the thread starter was so hung up on not being able to compete with the big spenders I thought he can go another route as there are many.

Thedude3737,,,,,most importantly, confidence in wearing any shirt or having any build will help u get what you want.

Quote: (02-19-2012 04:32 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

G, I should have been more clear. Juice monkey look is not what I'm talking about. But having a nice body with some muscle tone doesn't hurt anybody. Mixx mentioned his build as a running back before, and I'm sure this helps to attract so does a custom suit.

Not everybody can go and buy an expensive wardrobe or shirt. I agree that style is important, but the thread starter was so hung up on not being able to compete with the big spenders I thought he can go another route as there are many.

Thedude3737,,,,,most importantly, confidence in wearing any shirt or having any build will help u get what you want.

I wouldn't say I'm "hung up" on anything or lacking confidence. My intention was to emphasize the fact that I think it's better to be wearing something eye-catching, funny, or different, than something "high end", unless you're in that setting and you do indeed happen to be one of the "big dogs". G, I was referring to mostly Italians: Gucci, Valentino, etc. Don't get me wrong, suits are great and I know you're a big proponent. I'd rather pick up a 7 or 8 in a casual bar (which is easily done in L.A.) than have to suit up to pick up a 7 or 8 in the environment that necessitates that attire. But that's just me...

Quote: (02-19-2012 05:27 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 04:32 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

G, I should have been more clear. Juice monkey look is not what I'm talking about. But having a nice body with some muscle tone doesn't hurt anybody. Mixx mentioned his build as a running back before, and I'm sure this helps to attract so does a custom suit.

Not everybody can go and buy an expensive wardrobe or shirt. I agree that style is important, but the thread starter was so hung up on not being able to compete with the big spenders I thought he can go another route as there are many.

Thedude3737,,,,,most importantly, confidence in wearing any shirt or having any build will help u get what you want.

I wouldn't say I'm "hung up" on anything or lacking confidence. My intention was to emphasize the fact that I think it's better to be wearing something eye-catching, funny, or different, than something "high end", unless you're in that setting and you do indeed happen to be one of the "big dogs". G, I was referring to mostly Italians: Gucci, Valentino, etc. Don't get me wrong, suits are great and I know you're a big proponent. I'd rather pick up a 7 or 8 in a casual bar (which is easily done in L.A.) than have to suit up to pick up a 7 or 8 in the environment that necessitates that attire. But that's just me...

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Isn't this just classic peacocking?

T-shirts with prints, in my eyes, signals loser (even t-shirt and blazer is borderline) - but what I think doesn't matter, it's only what your target audience thinks that matters.

If you've had success, more power to you, but perhaps you can perspectivize it with some info on which places this worked for you?

Quote: (02-19-2012 05:50 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 05:27 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 04:32 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

G, I should have been more clear. Juice monkey look is not what I'm talking about. But having a nice body with some muscle tone doesn't hurt anybody. Mixx mentioned his build as a running back before, and I'm sure this helps to attract so does a custom suit.

Not everybody can go and buy an expensive wardrobe or shirt. I agree that style is important, but the thread starter was so hung up on not being able to compete with the big spenders I thought he can go another route as there are many.

Thedude3737,,,,,most importantly, confidence in wearing any shirt or having any build will help u get what you want.

I wouldn't say I'm "hung up" on anything or lacking confidence. My intention was to emphasize the fact that I think it's better to be wearing something eye-catching, funny, or different, than something "high end", unless you're in that setting and you do indeed happen to be one of the "big dogs". G, I was referring to mostly Italians: Gucci, Valentino, etc. Don't get me wrong, suits are great and I know you're a big proponent. I'd rather pick up a 7 or 8 in a casual bar (which is easily done in L.A.) than have to suit up to pick up a 7 or 8 in the environment that necessitates that attire. But that's just me...

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Isn't this just classic peacocking?

T-shirts with prints, in my eyes, signals loser (even t-shirt and blazer is borderline) - but what I think doesn't matter, it's only what your target audience thinks that matters.

If you've had success, more power to you, but perhaps you can perspectivize it with some info on which places this worked for you?

On Sunset strip you have a huge spectrum of environments, from high end restaurant/hotel lounge, to divy rock bar. You've got BOA steakhouse, The London hotel, The Standard, The Andaz, Skybar, Sunset Trocadero, Red Rock, Rock n Reilly's, Isla Cantina, Cabo Cantina, Eveleigh, and probably about 10 others. I wouldn't wear the same thing going to Cabo Cantina as Skybar. My favorite place to swoop is Skybar, because while it's not a hotspot anymore by any means, it still maintains a somewhat tight door on weekends and the ratio can be awesome there. The Strip in general has become insanely touristy, and also still attracts girls seeking "the dream" What I usually find at a more casual bar are girls visiting in town or girls fresh off the boat from Ohio or the midwest somewhere pursuing their dreams in acting and modelling. Easy targets, impressionable, and it's easy to take the position of the experienced native here, which I am. My competition in those bars are typically male equivalents; either tourists or "newbies". In most cases they might as well be wallpaper.

When I think of peacocking, I think of extreme displays like painting my nails or wearing huge necklaces or some shit. Print shirts are common in this city but it's usually some douche wearing Affliction or Ed Hardy. Wearing a shirt that makes a girl laugh or smile or piques her interest sets off a chain reaction of building attraction, as long as you don't have the personality of a doornail. L.A. is full of beautiful people, and it's common for me to see good-looking, well-dresssed guys in bars just hanging out with other guys, or by themselves. Its also common for me to see completely average looking guys or downright ogres out with 7 and above girls. You can hate on print shirts or "peacocking" all you want, but in this city, those guys often have the hottest girls on their arm.

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Quote: (02-19-2012 10:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Those dudes are buying pussy.

Not literally and not directly, but if you can push a Lambo, rock a Kiton suit to a night club, what you're selling is a life of affluence and abundance. Who doesn't want that life?

If the chicks at that club are really responding to that, that Abu Dhabi playboy shit, there's really not much you can do to beat the minor Sheikhs and sons of jewelry merchants.

In NYC, it's the hedge fund and private equity dudes that call those kinda shots. Plenty of clubs have hot chicks in management positions that walk up to the them skinny ass eastern euro model looking chicks to say that Bret in VIP wants to talk to her and her friends. Models and Bottles. Dropping 3-4k a night.

You can most definitely fuck those bitches if you work that kind of a venue as a dj/bouncer/promoter or bartender, or when they're at other venues, during day game, or being their personal trainer - but in the club environment - you being a civilian, the whales rule.

Lot of those dudes are lame gamewise, but how is she gonna pass up on a cool apartment on the west side or in your case a Lambo and a house on the beach?

Rocking a cool ass t-shirt that shows off your guns is a decent strategy, but you're going to eventually lose that war if you play that game. You're going to spend a lot of time in a venue where you don't have the advantage. You might learn something gamewise, but it's always a toss up between ease of ass at a diff venue and learning something new.

I've found it's actually easier to pick up rich chicks than it is to pick up poor chicks who want rich guys. And when those wall street bitches get married, trolling Tribeca or Central Park West is prolly the best move.

Good conversation y'all

WIA

Nice!!!

Quote: (02-19-2012 10:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Those dudes are buying pussy.

Not literally and not directly, but if you can push a Lambo, rock a Kiton suit to a night club, what you're selling is a life of affluence and abundance. Who doesn't want that life?

If the chicks at that club are really responding to that, that Abu Dhabi playboy shit, there's really not much you can do to beat the minor Sheikhs and sons of jewelry merchants.

In NYC, it's the hedge fund and private equity dudes that call those kinda shots. Plenty of clubs have hot chicks in management positions that walk up to the them skinny ass eastern euro model looking chicks to say that Bret in VIP wants to talk to her and her friends. Models and Bottles. Dropping 3-4k a night.

You can most definitely fuck those bitches if you work that kind of a venue as a dj/bouncer/promoter or bartender, or when they're at other venues, during day game, or being their personal trainer - but in the club environment - you being a civilian, the whales rule.

Lot of those dudes are lame gamewise, but how is she gonna pass up on a cool apartment on the west side or in your case a Lambo and a house on the beach?

Rocking a cool ass t-shirt that shows off your guns is a decent strategy, but you're going to eventually lose that war if you play that game. You're going to spend a lot of time in a venue where you don't have the advantage. You might learn something gamewise, but it's always a toss up between ease of ass at a diff venue and learning something new.

I've found it's actually easier to pick up rich chicks than it is to pick up poor chicks who want rich guys. And when those wall street bitches get married, trolling Tribeca or Central Park West is prolly the best move.

Good conversation y'all

WIA

I'm sure Mixx knows this better then me but my experiences in Miami are like this only magnified. Thats why club game is dying for the people who dont want to drop mad cash. You can pull hot tail in SoBe during the day at a Starbucks or Whole Foods or on the beach but if you try and roll up into a club and a couple of models roll in and get offered a spot at a table stacked w/Grey Goose and Red Bulls you have zero chance in that environment. Lots of those smokin hot chicks like the models in SoBe are really broke and cant afford to drop $100 on their own drinks so they mooch of the table. Its just economics and environment and nightclub status. But if you catch them away from that environment you can outgame those guys because all they have is the Grey Goose and Red Bulls.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

The more I upgrade my style, the more I realize that girls have no clue about mens style. Understand that they don't read mens magazines or web sites.

For example, they don't know that a man's shirt cuff should peek out an inch or so from the suit cuff. They don't know where a tie should end. They know nothing about pocket squares. They seem to take in a man's entire look and make a snap judgement about it without focusing on the details until after (i.e. she will see your watch later). Their only real skills seem to be color coordination, like which color tie would match with a shirt.

Their entire idea of what is "stylish" for men comes from what celebrities wear in magazines, music videos, and movies.

This is true, if I ever say anything related to suits or dressing nice to girls around here they just giggle and wonder why I would do that instead of just dressing like everyone else.

However, I do think there are those stylistic standards, such as a shirt cuff peaking out an inch or so from the suit cuff etc. for a reason. They are aesthetically pleasing and a cornerstone of what celebrities wear. Even though the girls don't know WHY it looks good they can still tell that the "correct" cuff positioning looks better than too much or too little.


As for the original post I really do think it depends on the venue. I'm not going to wear an obscure band-t or something similar to a nightclub unless the design is ambiguous in its meaning and is not offensive.

I had to laugh. you talked about guys wearing Brioni and put up the link of t shirts for rednecks.

Quote: (02-19-2012 10:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Those dudes are buying pussy.

We all pay for it, most people just don't recognize the exchange.

Quote: (02-20-2012 09:48 AM)snoop Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 10:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Those dudes are buying pussy.

We all pay for it, most people just don't recognize the exchange.

Yes and no.

This kind of absolutist thinking, that everything you do is in actuality in service of pussy, is the kind of thing that limits a dude's game and limits your vision.

As if everything in life were a transaction, obvious or hidden.

You can think like that.
You can think like an economist.
And under that line of logic, what you say is inescapable.

But clearly you don't just buy a fast car to pull fast bitches.
You don't work out just because you want some chick to put her hands on your abs.
You don't amass wealth just because bitches are with the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow

Man is more than just a vessel for his genes, more than the flesh surrounding his dick.

It's why we have character. Why we have honor, why we believe in things like loyalty and truth.

Her whole game is to grab the best dude she can with physical attractiveness and feminine wiles. But after she gets that....what then?

And since we've freed women from having to give birth, from a having to toil in domestic positions - what have they done with their freedom?

Businesses?
Great buildings?
New science?
Art? (most women's fashion is designed by gay men)

Can she truly rise above her biological purpose?

Maybe...if she valued it.

A man though? He does value that.

That's why the world looks the way it does.

We don't have the internet because of the re-directed sexual energy of nerds the world over.

We have it because men have found value in these things that are not related to pounding pussy.

Ferrari's do not exist for the sole purpose of attracting women.
Same with nice clothes and great houses.

So not everything we do is about buying pussy.

Quote: (02-20-2012 09:48 AM)snoop Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 10:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Those dudes are buying pussy.

We all pay for it, most people just don't recognize the exchange.

ever been to college/university? i can count on my hands how many times ive spent money on girls, most of those times have been during christmas/birthdays or during my LTR. If youre thinking time = money and the time you spend with these girls is how you're paying them you're with the wrong girls. You should enjoy the company of the girls you're fucking, at least the ones you fuck more than once.

As with a lot of game stuff, it's different strokes for different folks.

I "field test" every shirt I wear. I see what vibes I get.

For me, the shirt I wear is super important.

A couple of my shirts are 100%. That is, when I wear them, I close.

I have a closet of shirts but only wear 2-3 - they are ones that consistently get me action.

The winning shirts for me all have two things in common: the are cut for my body (taper waist) and have vivid colors (lots of red).

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

The more I upgrade my style, the more I realize that girls have no clue about mens style. Understand that they don't read mens magazines or web sites.

For example, they don't know that a man's shirt cuff should peek out an inch or so from the suit cuff. They don't know where a tie should end. They know nothing about pocket squares. They seem to take in a man's entire look and make a snap judgement about it without focusing on the details until after (i.e. she will see your watch later). Their only real skills seem to be color coordination, like which color tie would match with a shirt.

Their entire idea of what is "stylish" for men comes from what celebrities wear in magazines, music videos, and movies.

Very rarely can I sport the peeky cuff look due to being tall with long arms. I tend to get most of my shirts off the rail, and only have one shirt that is extra long.

I'm really into Kenneth Cole shirts at the moment, absolutely love the fit.

http://www.badideatshirts.com/

some of these can be a conversation starter
http://www.badideatshirts.com/IM-ALREADY...P1748.aspx
http://www.badideatshirts.com/DONT-HIT-K...t-P25.aspx
http://www.badideatshirts.com/IM-FINE-T-...P2200.aspx

Quote: (02-20-2012 11:53 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Quote: (02-20-2012 09:48 AM)snoop Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 10:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Those dudes are buying pussy.

We all pay for it, most people just don't recognize the exchange.

ever been to college/university? i can count on my hands how many times ive spent money on girls, most of those times have been during christmas/birthdays or during my LTR. If youre thinking time = money and the time you spend with these girls is how you're paying them you're with the wrong girls. You should enjoy the company of the girls you're fucking, at least the ones you fuck more than once.

You've proved my point exactly....money and time aren't the only ways to pay for something.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:06 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

hugo boss shirts to go clubbing ... not a game changer.

chicks don't know squat about men's designer pieces etc.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Girls say they can appreciate good shoes, but ... Girls really can't tell.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

girls have no clue about mens style.

Their only real skills seem to be color coordination, like which color tie would match with a shirt.

This thread disturbs me because posters are overlooking the original point. The original poster linked affordable artistic and vintage t-shirts to wear under blazers. They are cool because they are colorful and distinctive (peacocking or whatever), displaying modern art sophistication (Kandinsky) or vintage Rolling Stones music sensibility. They are not obvious, overt, overpriced brand names. In contrast, Hugo Boss and Armani sell a ton of expensive bland black/grey shirts and sweaters that don't stand out.

Yes, women don't know about mens' businesswear. But Dress For Success reported that even ghetto kindergardeners could distinguish upper class clothes. I think women can absolutely tell expensive leather benchmade boots from cheap synthetic department store products. Women definitely notice subtle things, but they may notice different subtle things than men. They don't know subtle mens' brands like Hickey Freeman. I doubt they notice you got the more expensive subtle shade of grey in the Hugo Boss or Armani sweater.

We need to focus on constructive tips. Women like Mark Nason boots. They notice if your belt matches your shoes. They notice worn or torn clothing. I suspect the key is to wears something cool and eyecatching so that women attribute you with the sense and sensibility to wear it. So they dismiss your for buying an expensive Brooks Brothers that looks out of place. But they are attracted if you casually fit in with your faded Harvard or Navy Seal shirt. Maybe this deserves its own thread.

Quote: (02-20-2012 07:00 PM)snoop Wrote:  

Quote: (02-20-2012 11:53 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Quote: (02-20-2012 09:48 AM)snoop Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 10:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Those dudes are buying pussy.

We all pay for it, most people just don't recognize the exchange.

ever been to college/university? i can count on my hands how many times ive spent money on girls, most of those times have been during christmas/birthdays or during my LTR. If youre thinking time = money and the time you spend with these girls is how you're paying them you're with the wrong girls. You should enjoy the company of the girls you're fucking, at least the ones you fuck more than once.

You've proved my point exactly....money and time aren't the only ways to pay for something.

And what might these other ways be?

Quote: (02-20-2012 08:20 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I had to laugh. you talked about guys wearing Brioni and put up the link of t shirts for rednecks.

Nice troll comment. Because I'm sure there's tons of Kandinsky art print shirts rolling around trailer parks.

Quote: (02-21-2012 12:05 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:06 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

hugo boss shirts to go clubbing ... not a game changer.

chicks don't know squat about men's designer pieces etc.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Girls say they can appreciate good shoes, but ... Girls really can't tell.

Quote: (02-19-2012 03:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

girls have no clue about mens style.

Their only real skills seem to be color coordination, like which color tie would match with a shirt.

This thread disturbs me because posters are overlooking the original point. The original poster linked affordable artistic and vintage t-shirts to wear under blazers. They are cool because they are colorful and distinctive (peacocking or whatever), displaying modern art sophistication (Kandinsky) or vintage Rolling Stones music sensibility. They are not obvious, overt, overpriced brand names. In contrast, Hugo Boss and Armani sell a ton of expensive bland black/grey shirts and sweaters that don't stand out.

Yes, women don't know about mens' businesswear. But Dress For Success reported that even ghetto kindergardeners could distinguish upper class clothes. I think women can absolutely tell expensive leather benchmade boots from cheap synthetic department store products. Women definitely notice subtle things, but they may notice different subtle things than men. They don't know subtle mens' brands like Hickey Freeman. I doubt they notice you got the more expensive subtle shade of grey in the Hugo Boss or Armani sweater.

We need to focus on constructive tips. Women like Mark Nason boots. They notice if your belt matches your shoes. They notice worn or torn clothing. I suspect the key is to wears something cool and eyecatching so that women attribute you with the sense and sensibility to wear it. So they dismiss your for buying an expensive Brooks Brothers that looks out of place. But they are attracted if you casually fit in with your faded Harvard or Navy Seal shirt. Maybe this deserves its own thread.

Yeah, gotta say, I was originally posting to share thoughts and see if what others have had better-than-average success with regarding clothing. Any post that starts with or contains "You obviously haven't done this or that..." I pretty much stop reading.

I've obviously figured out what works for me. I was under the impression that the forums are here to exchange info.