Why Israel (and Tel Aviv in particular) is the shittiest western place to game in
08-03-2017, 05:41 PM
I'm 30, from Tel-Aviv.
I took the red pill about 2-3 years ago.
I've been working out since high school and was always big and strong but also overweight. Ever since taking the red pill I've shed about 70 pounds and now I'm lean and mean and I've been getting a whole different responses from women, but on that I will elaborate in a different post.
I'm tall and have an above average looks and physique, which sways towards a Spaniard look. Though I don't find it difficult for me to get laid in my own city, I would nevertheless say it's not a walk in the park.
I discovered the wonders of Tinder around 7 months ago and since then it helped me notch countless lays.
After travelling, gaming and Tinder-swiping in Russia and what once was the USSR, England, Germany, the states and so on, I would like to lay before you my observations regarding game in the state of Israel and in general.
1) Israel's culture is very aggressive. Israel is a relatively new country, 69 years old. A few generations ago most of the Jewish people were living abroad, until the holocaust happened. A lot of Jews came to Israel from Arab countries which have an aggressive culture and brought it in to Israel until it became the norm.
It is not uncommon to get cut in line when you're waiting to order in startbucks.
It is not uncommon to get cut in the road or get horned or yelled from a car just because you slowed down.
And you guessed it... it is not uncommon to be completely ignored or humiliated by a mere 6 or 7 in a bar "just because".
IMO the stats of lays are the same. Meaning that if your game is tight, then out of X approaches you'll score Y lays as in anywhere else. However in Israel it will consume more of your mental and physical energy and by the time you'll get to a reasonable number of approaches you'll be already worn out that night.
2) Poor quality prospects.
This is somewhat subjective but most of the Israeli men will agree with me on this:
The average Israeli woman is not attractive.
Now, we have some of the hottest girls in the world here without a doubt (e.g. Bar Refaeli) but in general we players in Israel have 2 scales: Israel's scale and the rest of the world. What would be considered a 6-7 in Moscow.. or even Miami or NY - would be considered a 9 in Tel Aviv.
There just aren't that many beautiful girls around here.
In Tel-Aviv when I see a good looking girl from a bit of a distance I could tell right then and there that she is a foreigner just by her traits or her style.
When I come closer and I hear her speaking in a foreign language, it gives me the proof I was right.
3) Small country, low quantity of targets and tight knit relationships.
People go out in mixed groups, don't mingle when they're out and have a strong preference to go out with people from their close social circles.
This makes approaching a girl pretty hard.
4) Insane male competition.
Countless times I've heard from female travelers that Tel-Aviv is the city where they saw the highest amount of guys who work out. Almost all guys here work out and have a great physique, not to mention a sense of style. In that sense, we are similar to Spain and Italy. I haven't been to LA and I'm sure guys over there invest in themselves at least like the Tel Aviv guys... but don't tell me you don't see a fair amount of honeys too?
In here the women don't share the same ideal and don't invest in themselves like us guys, which creates a sad ratio of hot guys to not so hot women.
Furthermore a lot of guys work as engineers or real estate agents and make good pay. So looking good and having a good income doesn't help shit to a girls opinion about you here unless you're on the extreme end of the scale.
5) Loads of Arses. An Ars is the local Israeli version of a Guido.
It's a guy mostly of oriental decent with an aggressive vibe.
These guys scare a lot of girls off and set the bar up really high as to what is considered a confident man.
6) A strong pickup scene in Tel Aviv.
if the Arses are not enough... Tel Aviv is flooded by chodes learning game and practicing on girls in the high streets and popular clubs, scaring them off.
This make a day game approach in the city come across as a harassment most of the time. This has less weight of course the more attractive you are and the less attractive the girls is.
7) Bad infrastructure, public transport and sense of distance.
A 4 mile journey for a date, a distance that would be considered more than reasonable in a city like London and can take about 30min tops on the subway, is considered a huge deal when you live in Tel Aviv.
Dating a girl who does not live in Tel-Aviv is a pain in the ass.
There are constant traffic jams and no parking spots in Tel Aviv. The alternative of public transport makes no sense as it is not functioning well. a short distance of 6 miles can take up to 2 hours with traffic, bus exchanges and some walking.
This practically rules out any girl who is not in a walking distance from you.
8) Army service creates a snowball which increases the age of decent prospects.
Israelis go to the army for a long period of time between the age of 18-21.
After that, most of them work in some shitty jobs to save money and then travel for a long period of time. They start their studies in the university at ~23.
Finish when they're 27. move to Tel Aviv when they are 28.
So in Tel Aviv you'll have mostly prospects around that age and above.
If you wanna meet any girl below that age you would have to go to the universities, army or meet her in her travels in South America.
9) The Tinder test.
Finally. I consider what Tinder shows me to be a great indicator of the local market.
Of course it doesn't reflect the reality as it is 100%, but it tells a great deal about what the local market has or doesn't have to offer.
Never in my 7 months of using Tinder, in any other country have I seen such a great amount of fat, ugly, 30+ year old women who clearly state in their bio that they are looking only for a serious relationship.
Besides, Tinder shows you "There's no one new around you" pretty damn fast here.
Everything I mentioned here regards to local Israeli men.
When you are a foreigner, especially if you look far different from the local men (e.g. tall, blonde and blue eyes) and you're here for a short while, then you have a higher chance of sealing good deals.
Yours,
Bruce
I took the red pill about 2-3 years ago.
I've been working out since high school and was always big and strong but also overweight. Ever since taking the red pill I've shed about 70 pounds and now I'm lean and mean and I've been getting a whole different responses from women, but on that I will elaborate in a different post.
I'm tall and have an above average looks and physique, which sways towards a Spaniard look. Though I don't find it difficult for me to get laid in my own city, I would nevertheless say it's not a walk in the park.
I discovered the wonders of Tinder around 7 months ago and since then it helped me notch countless lays.
After travelling, gaming and Tinder-swiping in Russia and what once was the USSR, England, Germany, the states and so on, I would like to lay before you my observations regarding game in the state of Israel and in general.
1) Israel's culture is very aggressive. Israel is a relatively new country, 69 years old. A few generations ago most of the Jewish people were living abroad, until the holocaust happened. A lot of Jews came to Israel from Arab countries which have an aggressive culture and brought it in to Israel until it became the norm.
It is not uncommon to get cut in line when you're waiting to order in startbucks.
It is not uncommon to get cut in the road or get horned or yelled from a car just because you slowed down.
And you guessed it... it is not uncommon to be completely ignored or humiliated by a mere 6 or 7 in a bar "just because".
IMO the stats of lays are the same. Meaning that if your game is tight, then out of X approaches you'll score Y lays as in anywhere else. However in Israel it will consume more of your mental and physical energy and by the time you'll get to a reasonable number of approaches you'll be already worn out that night.
2) Poor quality prospects.
This is somewhat subjective but most of the Israeli men will agree with me on this:
The average Israeli woman is not attractive.
Now, we have some of the hottest girls in the world here without a doubt (e.g. Bar Refaeli) but in general we players in Israel have 2 scales: Israel's scale and the rest of the world. What would be considered a 6-7 in Moscow.. or even Miami or NY - would be considered a 9 in Tel Aviv.
There just aren't that many beautiful girls around here.
In Tel-Aviv when I see a good looking girl from a bit of a distance I could tell right then and there that she is a foreigner just by her traits or her style.
When I come closer and I hear her speaking in a foreign language, it gives me the proof I was right.
3) Small country, low quantity of targets and tight knit relationships.
People go out in mixed groups, don't mingle when they're out and have a strong preference to go out with people from their close social circles.
This makes approaching a girl pretty hard.
4) Insane male competition.
Countless times I've heard from female travelers that Tel-Aviv is the city where they saw the highest amount of guys who work out. Almost all guys here work out and have a great physique, not to mention a sense of style. In that sense, we are similar to Spain and Italy. I haven't been to LA and I'm sure guys over there invest in themselves at least like the Tel Aviv guys... but don't tell me you don't see a fair amount of honeys too?
In here the women don't share the same ideal and don't invest in themselves like us guys, which creates a sad ratio of hot guys to not so hot women.
Furthermore a lot of guys work as engineers or real estate agents and make good pay. So looking good and having a good income doesn't help shit to a girls opinion about you here unless you're on the extreme end of the scale.
5) Loads of Arses. An Ars is the local Israeli version of a Guido.
It's a guy mostly of oriental decent with an aggressive vibe.
These guys scare a lot of girls off and set the bar up really high as to what is considered a confident man.
6) A strong pickup scene in Tel Aviv.
if the Arses are not enough... Tel Aviv is flooded by chodes learning game and practicing on girls in the high streets and popular clubs, scaring them off.
This make a day game approach in the city come across as a harassment most of the time. This has less weight of course the more attractive you are and the less attractive the girls is.
7) Bad infrastructure, public transport and sense of distance.
A 4 mile journey for a date, a distance that would be considered more than reasonable in a city like London and can take about 30min tops on the subway, is considered a huge deal when you live in Tel Aviv.
Dating a girl who does not live in Tel-Aviv is a pain in the ass.
There are constant traffic jams and no parking spots in Tel Aviv. The alternative of public transport makes no sense as it is not functioning well. a short distance of 6 miles can take up to 2 hours with traffic, bus exchanges and some walking.
This practically rules out any girl who is not in a walking distance from you.
8) Army service creates a snowball which increases the age of decent prospects.
Israelis go to the army for a long period of time between the age of 18-21.
After that, most of them work in some shitty jobs to save money and then travel for a long period of time. They start their studies in the university at ~23.
Finish when they're 27. move to Tel Aviv when they are 28.
So in Tel Aviv you'll have mostly prospects around that age and above.
If you wanna meet any girl below that age you would have to go to the universities, army or meet her in her travels in South America.
9) The Tinder test.
Finally. I consider what Tinder shows me to be a great indicator of the local market.
Of course it doesn't reflect the reality as it is 100%, but it tells a great deal about what the local market has or doesn't have to offer.
Never in my 7 months of using Tinder, in any other country have I seen such a great amount of fat, ugly, 30+ year old women who clearly state in their bio that they are looking only for a serious relationship.
Besides, Tinder shows you "There's no one new around you" pretty damn fast here.
Everything I mentioned here regards to local Israeli men.
When you are a foreigner, especially if you look far different from the local men (e.g. tall, blonde and blue eyes) and you're here for a short while, then you have a higher chance of sealing good deals.
Yours,
Bruce
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