Its Giama, the notorious London hater.

I will repeat some of the points mentioned above.

The whole East London is a dump bar North Chingford , woodford and wanstead (which are all nice areas). The quality of the girls in East London are also not as good as the other areas in London.

Girls in south London in my experience are more forward in my experience, i have had numerous attractive jump offs in south London over the years. a lot have put it on a plate.

I actually have a ok little stable right now, but only because i went super hard in the gym. but i still keep it real and say its not a great city for quality.

The vast majority of the woman are rude, completely anti social and entitled. I basically taped into the whole making your body to the point where women have to respect you, as my body has the gym presence plus good height, The issue is there is just not a high percentage of 8 pluses. and the egos will crush your pride. London women are lazy and the cold winters make them crave junk food. Oh yeh btw, The UK has highest rate of obesity in EUROPE. The obesity rate in the UK is more due to the women, the Guys are in better shape, Easter Europeans and black guys are Strong and in shape for the most part.

You really have to have a equaliser to deal with london women.

-Really good shape
-Money
- Really good social status in the relevant scene, ie Urban, Hipster



You can get 4, 5s and 6s with bad attitudes, and no real wifeable qualities. The 9s and 10s you see holidaying in Miami are few and far here.

Expect a sea of 5s and 6s, if you can get into the top 5% in the gym and your decent looking you will be opened by the chics, but if your very average in all departments you will STARVE in London and be subject to fatties and 4s.

I have a lot of 6s and a possible 7, but thats not a great return for me. I gym hard and have a lot of qualities and i have a focus on getting women.

Ive never been to NYC, but there is some points to make about London.

No Dominicans
No Puerto Ricans
No Cubans
No Latinas (i heard theres brazilians communities popping up but i dont think there in big numbers yet)
I cant remember the last attractive oriental woman i saw here


So london lacks EXOTIC FLAVA


We have a lot of Indians here and they dont really add much to the game due to the fact there forbidden to date outside there race for the most part.

When you add all the dynamics in the pot, i know what it is. You can do ok here if you put in the work, but it shouldnt be this hard to reep 6s and 7s. i shouldnt have be in top shape to deal with that level of woman. You can have bad droughts in this city as others have pointed out.

Women are too empowered here. Men hold much less value then they do in other countries and are not given as much respect.

Quote: (07-31-2017 12:25 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Quote: (07-30-2017 03:34 PM)Summa Wrote:  

Not true.

"You'll have much more play living in Hoxton than you'd have living in Queens for example. "

Both Queens and Brooklyn are wayyy more dense than Hoxton/Shoreditch.

What part of Queens are you comparing? It is a huge place. So is it Jamaica vs. Hoxton or Astoria vs. Hoxton?

These are called examples. If you count heads are there more people in Queens? Yes, but that's missing the point. Live in Queens and you're not going to be pulling from Manhattan. Live in Hoxton and you can pull from just about all of London.

If you lived in Woodside or Astoria you would do just fine, and there are plenty of hot girls in Queens - I mean Queens is the most populous borough and it has girls from every background in abundance.

So sure, you won't bring a girl home from the Meat Packing District for a one night stand, but no one is going to go thirsty living in Queens, it's not Staten Island.

^^Best reply, neither one.

NYC has a certain vibe and girls are down to fuck, there are 5 boroughs so you don't have to live near the meatpacking district or in Manhattan. Sure being close to Union square would be fun and should be easy to game girls.

Both cities the men are very aggressive and the women respond accordingly.

Both cities rent is ridiculous and the lifestyle is a rat race.

Again don't forget NYC is in America, so you are going to encounter way more fat chicks than in London.
Yes, I know London is getting there.
I am not a fan of the white girl American attitude "we rule the world" and my daddy buys me anything I want. Australian girls are just as annoying and there is a boat load of them in London.
Living in London, I would grind my teeth every time I heard these fat American girls talking loudly on the subway. Thinking everyone would be impressed because they are from AmeriCA.

NYC summers are way too hot, sticky and humid.

London winters are dark, damp and if you see the sun be grateful.

The OP is living in NYC and wants a change of scenery, he has a job offer in London. He has nothing to lose by living in London for a bit and he gets the added bonus of reaching more places in Europe, that also happen to have better women.

^Haha pretty funny. I meet American chicks in Europe all the time who always tell me how people were really excited to meet them because they're from America. I just laugh. Like they were the first girls who ever travelled here, even though they're are millions of us all over Europe. That type of arrogance is pathetic.

However, I have to also say. I've met lots of chicks from London all over the world and if they're over a 5, they can just as arrogant as any American woman.

thanks zelcorpion the article you linked us to is a very good read
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...80725.html

and to further push the point that women have bigger choice
aside from the raw numbers provided above.

1) UK has Highest obesity rate in Europe, due largely because of the women,
2) A lot of wealth in Europe is centralised in London, which results in CEO's, rich finance guys. Rich arab guys, celebs, who can make central london there playground, the best looking women party in central london. The hot women get exposed to this level of wealth and there attitude changes. You need to see some of the london born IG girls, the entitled attitude and there not that fine a lot of the times In comparison to the IG girls of the USA

3) very very small amount of Latinas.
4) People say dont touch the natives, Theres whites born in london, blacks born in london, mixed girls born in London, indian girls born in london. And they all have the same entitled attitude due to there elevated market value due to lack of high quality competition.
5) Cultural influence on urban women originally stemmed from Jamaican/Yardie culture, which is largely disfunctional and vulgar and none feminine. Recently nigerian culture is taking over within Urban London. I dare anyone to watch 1 episode of BKCHAT LDN and see how aggressive the average 25 year old british born urban london girl is once she begins to run her mouth, a lot DONT have a drop of femininity. They dont represent all london women, but they have an effect on the numbers.

Ive been to Latin countries and was amazed at the femininity of the women.

A lot of factors at play, London girls are very hypergamous. Get your game as sharp as can be to deal with 6s and barely 7s unless you have a great equaliser, male model face, Mens Health shape body, money, or great social status.

Im still sociable and meet new women, but i know the deal here, 6s and (7s that are your type not even a universal 7) every know and again you get a rare humble 7.75 and its super suprising, with cool vibes, I will not Wife them or take them seriously. The 8s generally are too much maintenance/entitlement or have a sea of options. When i want the 8s and 9s i travel to latin America. Simple

Quality in London is below average

I spent 13 years in London, and then i spent 5 weeks in a latin american country. If i lined up the top 10 from both periods, The quality in Latin America in those 5 weeks was better then 13 years in London.

Even if i count girls i came close to smashing but didnt.

It is what is is, i accept it as a below par city for options. And i now laugh at the idea of finding a LTR here, i just look at my married friends and see how there the prize in the relationship.
My married male friends, are more attractive, in better shape, have better social status then all of their wives. Rather them then me.

Not every guy fall in this category, but a lot of guys i guess are happy with it or are less looks orientated.

Exactly guys - that is exactly what I heard personally from guys with Game. Guys who can approach a girl in the street and a restaurant and get a number and a bang.

And they hated it in London, because they had to work their asses of for sub-standard girls. I don't hear this from NYC guys who for example live in Queens. You don't have to do it Paul Janka style in Manhattan. There are a ton of girls in NYC as well. The women are more approachable due to simple gender ratios - also they are slimmer than the average Anglo bitch. They are slimmer and nicer than the average American girl simply because they must be. As for OP - if you are from NYC, then it's worth to live in London for a while. Still - you will find you will find hotter tighter younger nicer girls if you fly on weekends to all the cities of Europe. You can buy the tickets way in advance and won't be spending much.

That is the single biggest advantage of the position of London - but not the city. Also watch for Muslims driving cars on sidewalks or waltzing around with knives. That unfortunately also belongs to London and not to NYC.

I also know american guys from Washington DC, Texas and NYC who have been to London, all separate people and all clown London due to the lack of quality women.

I will give you another analogy.

female 8s in London walk around like Goddesses they are very very aware that they are a very small minority, in a league of their own with no competition from other females.

The lack of competition is one of the reasons for the bad attitudes of the 7s and 8s.

You really have to push to get to the top 10% of guy and you will get chose , London is bad if your in an average stage of your life, and even when your on your shit and everything is clicking, its not amazing.

In London, if i had a choice between earning £250k a year or having a magazine cover body, i would take the £250k a year, it will get you a lot more access to the best women.

London 8s and 9s are looking for the come up

Quote: (07-31-2017 10:42 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

^Haha pretty funny. I meet American chicks in Europe all the time who always tell me how people were really excited to meet them because they're from America. I just laugh. Like they were the first girls who ever travelled here, even though they're are millions of us all over Europe. That type of arrogance is pathetic.

However, I have to also say. I've met lots of chicks from London all over the world and if they're over a 5, they can just as arrogant as any American woman.

Hahahahaha yes

I witnessed that too in South America, more precisely in Colombia!

American chicks going there, all arrogant as fuck thinking they're gonna be worshipped by everyone because they're white!

They hit the nightclubs with other gringos and quickly realize the men are all there to hook up with Colombianas.

It's pretty cool to see them crash and burn!

^^All decent looking girls are looking for the come up.

Even the Latinas you like, know full well why so many gringos are in their country.

Both cities have a lot of money, which means there will be hot women around in both cities.
The problem is access to these hot women which will not be easy.
In London you have Saudi's splashing their money before Ramadan and now you have Russians who are buying up the place. I am sure the Chinese are making a footprint as well.

Those bankers in Canary Wharf are banging hot women in their boardrooms.

I got invited once to Soho House, there where 4 hot chicks cavorting topless in the pool. Eastern European for sure.

Not every guy loves NYC, Kirdiesel left because he wasn't feeling the love. Seems to be enjoying Germany a lot more.

When I think of the UK - too many girls resemble this:






Even the prettier ones go into sugardaddy relationships, rinsing, stripping etc.

I used to travel around England and Scotland quite a lot 15+ years ago and I still remember fondly when you had shy waitresses like this in many small towns and villages:



And it was not even that rare since the obesity epidemic had not taken hold yet - also the mass immigration had not shifted the gender ratios too far.

Those girls exist too, but now with technology they would get 3000 matches on OKcupid and get inundated by scores of Tinder-men or they find out that they can make 5k/month having 2 dates per month with a sugardaddy.

Of course you can find beauties, but you have 3 dicks waiting behind them.

Whoever came with the stats showing London having more females than males needs to reassess their findings. Anyway I go in London, bars, clubs, social functions, tube, you will see far far more men than women. I shit you not, I wouldn't be surprised if the actual male to female ratio in London is 200 to 100. London has to be the most sausage-fest/ thirstiest place I've ever been to after middle east .

let me tell you aswell, the genuine london 8s and 9s (sometimes even 7s if they have a crazy body), the ones that go to west end clubs.
They have footballers on their phone. FACTS. maybe not the houshold names but premiership level footballers/squad players. I say this because i know a lot of 8s. This is what your competing with for the 7s and 8s.

These footballers dont usually wife them, but they smash them, go on dates with them, so you are in competition with them, for 8s and 9s if you can see the access they have, occasionally you get 8s who are humble and dont really do the west end thing, those are the ones to aim for. But what happens is some circles of girls are very come up orientated and they tell the there more innocent friends to start doing this west end thing and try to get a come up.

Even the rapper tinie tempah commented on it in a interview. Get money bitches he calls them, never have boyfriends, always on holiday, always clubbing. Anyone from london knows this type of girl. Good luck with those 8s in London LOL

London is a womans paradise for women 7 plus. A low quantity of 8-10s. compared to other cities

Quote: (07-31-2017 02:22 PM)giama Wrote:  

let me tell you aswell, the genuine london 8s and 9s (sometimes even 7s if they have a crazy body), the ones that go to west end clubs.
They have footballers on their phone. FACTS. maybe not the houshold names but premiership level footballers/squad players. I say this because i know a lot of 8s. This is what your competing with for the 7s and 8s.

These footballers dont usually wife them, but they smash them, go on dates with them, so you are in competition with them, for 8s and 9s if you can see the access they have, occasionally you get 8s who are humble and dont really do the west end thing, those are the ones to aim for. But what happens is some circles of girls are very come up orientated and they tell the there more innocent friends to start doing this west end thing and try to get a come up.

Even the rapper tinie tempah commented on it in a interview. Get money bitches he calls them, never have boyfriends, always on holiday, always clubbing. Anyone from london knows this type of girl. Good luck with those 8s in London LOL

London is a womans paradise for women 7 plus. A low quantity of 8-10s. compared to other cities

That's right. That is why I told an EE 34yo single mom that she should move to Britain. She was attractive and slim - still bangable and quite nice in personality. I told her this because she complained that she was passed by men in EE. I said - of course you are - the men here have options and the men who you could get are not interesting to you. Go to London, there you will get easily a good-natured moderately good-looking man making 75k+ who will even wife you up at your age.

Giama I understand where you're coming from, and to some extent I agree. But let me ask do you really think only footballers and men with money have ever fucked these girls? 8s are rare and have always been hard to get, and girls having access to footballers is nothing new. It's been this way since I started going out 18-19 years ago. You take a top tier girl and yeah she might have footballers in her phone, but then she's also got some guy from down the road, someone from her job that's grown on her, someone she met at the gym, and so on and so forth. If anything, girls are probably less demanding and discriminating than we are if you dig into their past. If you've got loads of 8 plus friends then you must have seen some of them fuck complete nobodies that have them twisted around their fingers.

Quote: (07-31-2017 02:22 PM)giama Wrote:  

let me tell you aswell, the genuine london 8s and 9s (sometimes even 7s if they have a crazy body), the ones that go to west end clubs.
They have footballers on their phone. FACTS. maybe not the houshold names but premiership level footballers/squad players. I say this because i know a lot of 8s. This is what your competing with for the 7s and 8s.

These footballers dont usually wife them, but they smash them, go on dates with them, so you are in competition with them, for 8s and 9s if you can see the access they have, occasionally you get 8s who are humble and dont really do the west end thing, those are the ones to aim for. But what happens is some circles of girls are very come up orientated and they tell the there more innocent friends to start doing this west end thing and try to get a come up.

Even the rapper tinie tempah commented on it in a interview. Get money bitches he calls them, never have boyfriends, always on holiday, always clubbing. Anyone from london knows this type of girl. Good luck with those 8s in London LOL

London is a womans paradise for women 7 plus. A low quantity of 8-10s. compared to other cities

I was actually banging this Swedish chick from Los Angeles almost 6 years ago. I banged her for almost 3 months and then I moved to New York. Several years passed by, I happened to stumble upon her instagram. Looks like she moved to London last year and she has a lot of pictures with a player from Arsenal.

Zelcorpion, seriously everyone of your posts here start with "I've heard from guys with game that...".

You have no place or cred in this part of the forum. Stop shitting on fully functioning threads with your Lonely Planet keyboard jockeying. If you don't travel you should apologize for even dreaming about thinking your opinions matter here.

@ Kieran,

yeh many fucked complete wastemen before they found themself. These girls turned into "new women" when they found instagram and Mac make up.
A lot of the 8s have sugar daddies. I would estimate atleast 40% of the 8s have sugar daddies in London.

Some have 2 or 3 wealthy guys around. That they fuck with. When one drops off they look for another, these 8s no the game, look at who they follow on twitter and instagram, squad player non household name footballers, that there meeting in the clubs, they are not entertaining the road men like that anymore, Monaco, Dubai, Miami, Las Vegas. Road rough guys are broke. Its a new era

Its possible of course to smash a 8, but im not looking for one off smashes where you got lucky that week, because she decided it, im talking about keeping a 8 on the team for a considerable amount of time 3-6 months.

The 8s in london i know are being flown out to Nigeria for a large fee, getting surgery paid for by guys etc.

Some are not even 8s, there 7s with a big ass.

I dont know what goes on in London for the white girl 8s i have very little experience in that arena, but i have a good feel of what goes on in the urban London (black/mixed) and those who are around those communities.

Kieran what race of girls do you usually deal with.

Quote: (07-31-2017 02:56 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

Quote: (07-31-2017 02:22 PM)giama Wrote:  

let me tell you aswell, the genuine london 8s and 9s (sometimes even 7s if they have a crazy body), the ones that go to west end clubs.
They have footballers on their phone. FACTS. maybe not the houshold names but premiership level footballers/squad players. I say this because i know a lot of 8s. This is what your competing with for the 7s and 8s.

These footballers dont usually wife them, but they smash them, go on dates with them, so you are in competition with them, for 8s and 9s if you can see the access they have, occasionally you get 8s who are humble and dont really do the west end thing, those are the ones to aim for. But what happens is some circles of girls are very come up orientated and they tell the there more innocent friends to start doing this west end thing and try to get a come up.

Even the rapper tinie tempah commented on it in a interview. Get money bitches he calls them, never have boyfriends, always on holiday, always clubbing. Anyone from london knows this type of girl. Good luck with those 8s in London LOL

London is a womans paradise for women 7 plus. A low quantity of 8-10s. compared to other cities

I was actually banging this Swedish chick from Los Angeles almost 6 years ago. I banged her for almost 3 months and then I moved to New York. Several years passed by, I happened to stumble upon her instagram. Looks like she moved to London last year and she has a lot of pictures with a player from Arsenal.

Excellent.

POINT PROVEN, in L.A she is likely 1 of tens of thousands of beautiful women. no biggie.

Here she can rub shoulders with a footballer probably earning £70,000 a week

Women can really win in London

Honestly Op pick your poison. There are good points and bad points to both London and New York City. What I would suggest is not to move to London solely for women as you will be disappointed. If your intentions are to game more Eastern European girls, you will be better off just moving to an Eastern European country. The Eastern European girls in London almost always become corrupted and pretty much become similar to your average white British woman. Go to Eastern Europe if you want the real deal.

@giama - bro we get the point. lol

Come to Toronto, then we will talk.

This city eats up dudes with weak game, survival of the fittest.

@Rudebwoy,

Sorry for labouring the point LOL seems pretty anonymous.

I have absolutely no intention of ever going to Toronto from the accounts i have heard about it.

Your game must be sharp to survive in that city. How do you manage? You have a niche?

Also some of the 9s on IG. are putting up backstage snapchat videos of rappers namely future, drake, tory lanez, etc
So basically them backstage while INSERT RAPPER is performing so there facing the crowd. We all know how they got there, Slided in the DM's.

These 8s and 9s are getting smashed. Once they smash these celebs it makes it a lot harder for everyone else.

The ones that arent fucking the footballers are fucking the rappers. The ones that arent fucking the rappers are fucking Nigerian ballers.

And another thing I've never witnessed in New York but really popular in London is prostutition.

I was staying at Hilton Hyde Park 3 years ago because company had an event there. I think I was staying at 17th floor. It was afternoon time. I was waiting for the elevator, door opens, I go inside and there was a woman in her 40's there. As soon as I went inside of the elevator, she said you stay at 17th floor? I said yes.

She said do you wanna have sex now? It would be 100 bucks for you for an hour. I didn't know what to say, she was damn straight but I was staying in the room with my girlfriend at the time

Quote: (07-31-2017 02:22 PM)giama Wrote:  

let me tell you aswell, the genuine london 8s and 9s (sometimes even 7s if they have a crazy body), the ones that go to west end clubs.
They have footballers on their phone. FACTS. maybe not the houshold names but premiership level footballers/squad players. I say this because i know a lot of 8s. This is what your competing with for the 7s and 8s.

These footballers dont usually wife them, but they smash them, go on dates with them, so you are in competition with them, for 8s and 9s if you can see the access they have, occasionally you get 8s who are humble and dont really do the west end thing, those are the ones to aim for. But what happens is some circles of girls are very come up orientated and they tell the there more innocent friends to start doing this west end thing and try to get a come up.

Even the rapper tinie tempah commented on it in a interview. Get money bitches he calls them, never have boyfriends, always on holiday, always clubbing. Anyone from london knows this type of girl. Good luck with those 8s in London LOL

London is a womans paradise for women 7 plus. A low quantity of 8-10s. compared to other cities

Always spot on Giama.