Quote: (01-27-2012 12:01 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Wizard - For simplicity purpose, we are going to assume that one is going out with an employed lizard that is bred out of DC or Toronto.

You don't even need a high level of game dealing with lizards from easier going cities.

Noted, but I still think that flexibility should be used no matter where the lizard is from. I'm noticing though that there seems to be a lot of variation for guys on this issue.

Wizard - I agree with you strongly. In conclusion, I think game is having the array of tools to be able to adapt to the situation. It's like basketball. You play full court fast paced Phoenix Suns tempo or you can drag it out in a half court mess like the Celtics or the Spurs. A true player has enough tools to go out in either type of offense and still put up all star numbers?

Does that make sense?

Quote: (01-27-2012 08:08 AM)pitt Wrote:  

This is where the rich guy vs the broke guy comes into play.

To me this is simple, if i find her interesting enough to have a conversation and she has some class, then i dont mind taking her out for a date. For fuck sake, i will hardly pay more than 30 dollars for a dinner for both of us, if thats a big deal to some of you guys, then you may want to improve your paycheck. Scotian has a nice datasheet about the oil industry in Canada, join it lol.

30 dollars for dinner for two? Sounds like a classy joint. Maybe you should go to the oil sands Pitt.

Girls try to get the dinner date with me all the time as the first meetup. I always reply "dinner comes after we have a nice time getting a drink"

I spend more than 30 bucks on drinks easy. You do that 4+ times in a week and tell me how you aren't thinking of cutting costs.

Seriously? 30 dollars for TWO at dinner?? I guess you don't have to pay for alcohol when you take them to IHOP...

Two can play the condescending game ; )

Quote: (01-26-2012 11:07 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Smitty and I are half Greeks. That's how we roll. Why? Because we both grew up watching our family members tear threw pussy like nothing most of you have ever seen. It works. Last night I was out with a forum member who only posts once in a while and at one of the bars we went to we were hanging out with an 84 year old greek dude that was there to pull. Now his game is old school but he does pull girls in their 30s maybe once every month or so. It's part of our culture

Once again, my brother el mech is spot on!

Quote: (01-27-2012 03:20 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2012 08:08 AM)pitt Wrote:  

This is where the rich guy vs the broke guy comes into play.

To me this is simple, if i find her interesting enough to have a conversation and she has some class, then i dont mind taking her out for a date. For fuck sake, i will hardly pay more than 30 dollars for a dinner for both of us, if thats a big deal to some of you guys, then you may want to improve your paycheck. Scotian has a nice datasheet about the oil industry in Canada, join it lol.

30 dollars for dinner for two? Sounds like a classy joint. Maybe you should go to the oil sands Pitt.

Girls try to get the dinner date with me all the time as the first meetup. I always reply "dinner comes after we have a nice time getting a drink"

I spend more than 30 bucks on drinks easy. You do that 4+ times in a week and tell me how you aren't thinking of cutting costs.

Seriously? 30 dollars for TWO at dinner?? I guess you don't have to pay for alcohol when you take them to IHOP...

Two can play the condescending game ; )

Im thinking south america living costs, i dont take women out in the anglophone hemisphere.

Hot girls are young, young girls are broke. You are bound to pay for at least drinks sooner than later. After that though, no lay no pay.

Let me say this...dammit...IF YOU ARE A MALE WHO

1) Has great income
2) Has good education/career
3) Has finances in order
4) Has no kids to support
5) No police record

Plus has the "givens" like physical shape, etc

You should be in a group where YOU CONTROL THE LEVERAGE with the women.

Now I don't want to make this a race thing but those who are caucasian in North America may have more guys who fit into this group and may have slightly more competition but for African-American/Latin guys in this group you don't have to pay for every date. YOU ARE THE COMMODITY. It pains me to see brothas who do not know their worth and are just wimps for women.

Quote: (01-24-2012 02:34 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

This is for people who don't understand the game.

1) You should never date. No movies, flowers, concerts, rock climbing, and never a dinner.

a) You should have traditional dates with your LTR to keep things interesting, and cement her feelings towards you....but

b) Why do you have an LTR?

2) Money is primarily for logistics.

- money gets you where the hot chicks are - be it the best clubs, best parts of town, best parts of the world. Sometimes it's cover, sometimes it's the clothes you wear, often times it's going out all the time - the logistics cost

- money pays for the cab

- money gets you a good place for having sex.

- money speeds things up, but not because you're using your money to impress a girl by buying her things.

If you're really trying to ball on a budget, there's always groupon, restaurant weeks, and romantic walks in the park...but if you're trying to bang, all that pinching and bargaining is the surest way to screen out chicks.

If you're actually balling, you're going to a tasting menu @ Per Se because you're a foodie and she's along for the ride. You're snowboarding in Vermont cause you like to snowboard, and she can come along.

Money is for you.
Money is for logistics.
If money gets spent on a chick because of your lifestyle, or because you're trying to bang her out as fast as possible - so be it.

But money is not for dating.

One of the best Game posts we've seen recently!

I used to do a bit of internet dating in London, if any of them ever suggested a dinner date as a first date, I would ditch them superfast.

My style was to take them to cocktail bars after work that had 2-4-1, so get them drunk quickly and relatively cheaply.

I never take girls to dinner unless they are my girlfriend and even then it's rare

Quote: (01-30-2012 04:59 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Let me say this...dammit...IF YOU ARE A MALE WHO

1) Has great income
2) Has good education/career
3) Has finances in order
4) Has no kids to support
5) No police record

Plus has the "givens" like physical shape, etc

You should be in a group where YOU CONTROL THE LEVERAGE with the women.

Now I don't want to make this a race thing but those who are caucasian in North America may have more guys who fit into this group and may have slightly more competition but for African-American/Latin guys in this group you don't have to pay for every date. YOU ARE THE COMMODITY. It pains me to see brothas who do not know their worth and are just wimps for women.

Exactly. I never suggest dinner, and if she does, she better be ready to go Dutch. I'm not paying for her. Don't care what she thinks about that. Just dealt with this situation yesterday!

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:18 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I used to do a bit of internet dating in London, if any of them ever suggested a dinner date as a first date, I would ditch them superfast.

My style was to take them to cocktail bars after work that had 2-4-1, so get them drunk quickly and relatively cheaply.

I never take girls to dinner unless they are my girlfriend and even then it's rare

This is my style as well

But I do fairly often order appetizers when I am with a girl at an upscale lounge or restaurant bar if we are there for more than a short time. I eat frequent, small high protein meals- sort of a paleo lite diet- and I don't want to miss a meal.
I do this in a way that makes it clear that I am ordering for me, not for her.
I say, " I need to get something to eat" and proceed to order a couple of plates of what I want. I never ask her, "Do you want something to eat?"
I am sharing my meal with her, not providing her with food as if she deserves it.

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:25 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 04:59 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Let me say this...dammit...IF YOU ARE A MALE WHO

1) Has great income
2) Has good education/career
3) Has finances in order
4) Has no kids to support
5) No police record

Plus has the "givens" like physical shape, etc

You should be in a group where YOU CONTROL THE LEVERAGE with the women.

Now I don't want to make this a race thing but those who are caucasian in North America may have more guys who fit into this group and may have slightly more competition but for African-American/Latin guys in this group you don't have to pay for every date. YOU ARE THE COMMODITY. It pains me to see brothas who do not know their worth and are just wimps for women.

Exactly. I never suggest dinner, and if she does, she better be ready to go Dutch. I'm not paying for her. Don't care what she thinks about that. Just dealt with this situation yesterday!

I'm curious, do you extend this attitude to other countries as well? It seems like it wouldn't play well in places where feminism hasn't completely ravaged the local female population.

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:55 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:25 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 04:59 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Let me say this...dammit...IF YOU ARE A MALE WHO

1) Has great income
2) Has good education/career
3) Has finances in order
4) Has no kids to support
5) No police record

Plus has the "givens" like physical shape, etc

You should be in a group where YOU CONTROL THE LEVERAGE with the women.

Now I don't want to make this a race thing but those who are caucasian in North America may have more guys who fit into this group and may have slightly more competition but for African-American/Latin guys in this group you don't have to pay for every date. YOU ARE THE COMMODITY. It pains me to see brothas who do not know their worth and are just wimps for women.

Exactly. I never suggest dinner, and if she does, she better be ready to go Dutch. I'm not paying for her. Don't care what she thinks about that. Just dealt with this situation yesterday!

I'm curious, do you extend this attitude to other countries as well? It seems like it wouldn't play well in places where feminism hasn't completely ravaged the local female population.

I don't go on dates when I'm overseas. I don't have time for that anyway. I try to close at the bar/club/beach/party or wherever I find them.

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:27 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:55 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:25 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 04:59 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Let me say this...dammit...IF YOU ARE A MALE WHO

1) Has great income
2) Has good education/career
3) Has finances in order
4) Has no kids to support
5) No police record

Plus has the "givens" like physical shape, etc

You should be in a group where YOU CONTROL THE LEVERAGE with the women.

Now I don't want to make this a race thing but those who are caucasian in North America may have more guys who fit into this group and may have slightly more competition but for African-American/Latin guys in this group you don't have to pay for every date. YOU ARE THE COMMODITY. It pains me to see brothas who do not know their worth and are just wimps for women.

Exactly. I never suggest dinner, and if she does, she better be ready to go Dutch. I'm not paying for her. Don't care what she thinks about that. Just dealt with this situation yesterday!

I'm curious, do you extend this attitude to other countries as well? It seems like it wouldn't play well in places where feminism hasn't completely ravaged the local female population.

I don't go on dates when I'm overseas. I don't have time for that anyway. I try to close at the bar/club/beach/party or wherever I find them.

Fair enough, each guy has to decide what is the right approach for them.

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:36 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:27 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:55 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:25 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 04:59 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Let me say this...dammit...IF YOU ARE A MALE WHO

1) Has great income
2) Has good education/career
3) Has finances in order
4) Has no kids to support
5) No police record

Plus has the "givens" like physical shape, etc

You should be in a group where YOU CONTROL THE LEVERAGE with the women.

Now I don't want to make this a race thing but those who are caucasian in North America may have more guys who fit into this group and may have slightly more competition but for African-American/Latin guys in this group you don't have to pay for every date. YOU ARE THE COMMODITY. It pains me to see brothas who do not know their worth and are just wimps for women.

Exactly. I never suggest dinner, and if she does, she better be ready to go Dutch. I'm not paying for her. Don't care what she thinks about that. Just dealt with this situation yesterday!

I'm curious, do you extend this attitude to other countries as well? It seems like it wouldn't play well in places where feminism hasn't completely ravaged the local female population.

I don't go on dates when I'm overseas. I don't have time for that anyway. I try to close at the bar/club/beach/party or wherever I find them.

Fair enough, each guy has to decide what is the right approach for them.

Feminists want to have their cake and eat it too. If they really want equality, then they should put their money where there mouths are and prove it. No better time than dinner.

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:44 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:36 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:27 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:55 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:25 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Exactly. I never suggest dinner, and if she does, she better be ready to go Dutch. I'm not paying for her. Don't care what she thinks about that. Just dealt with this situation yesterday!

I'm curious, do you extend this attitude to other countries as well? It seems like it wouldn't play well in places where feminism hasn't completely ravaged the local female population.

I don't go on dates when I'm overseas. I don't have time for that anyway. I try to close at the bar/club/beach/party or wherever I find them.

Fair enough, each guy has to decide what is the right approach for them.

Feminists want to have their cake and eat it too. If they really want equality, then they should put their money where there mouths are and prove it. No better time than dinner.

What feminists want is utterly irrelevant to me, and doesn't really influence my game. I've sealed the deal several times, and that usually involved a meal that cost me under $20, or it was something I cooked at my apartment.

I understand the user mentality, and any guy should always be on the lookout for that kind of thing. It's not exactly hard to spot, and can be easily countered.

This doesn't mean though I see a problem in paying for a simple meal.

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:50 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:44 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:36 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:27 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 05:55 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

I'm curious, do you extend this attitude to other countries as well? It seems like it wouldn't play well in places where feminism hasn't completely ravaged the local female population.

I don't go on dates when I'm overseas. I don't have time for that anyway. I try to close at the bar/club/beach/party or wherever I find them.

Fair enough, each guy has to decide what is the right approach for them.

Feminists want to have their cake and eat it too. If they really want equality, then they should put their money where there mouths are and prove it. No better time than dinner.

What feminists want is utterly irrelevant to me, and doesn't really influence my game. I've sealed the deal several times, and that usually involved a meal that cost me under $20, or it was something I cooked at my apartment.

I understand the user mentality, and any guy should always be on the lookout for that kind of thing. It's not exactly hard to spot, and can be easily countered.

This doesn't mean though I see a problem in paying for a simple meal.

Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that if that's just what you normally do or feel like doing on your own accord. It should never be done as a way to impress a chick with the hopes of spreading those legs. Fuck her.

Quote: (01-24-2012 02:34 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

This is for people who don't understand the game.

1) You should never date. No movies, flowers, concerts, rock climbing, and never a dinner.

a) You should have traditional dates with your LTR to keep things interesting, and cement her feelings towards you....but

b) Why do you have an LTR?

2) Money is primarily for logistics.

- money gets you where the hot chicks are - be it the best clubs, best parts of town, best parts of the world. Sometimes it's cover, sometimes it's the clothes you wear, often times it's going out all the time - the logistics cost

- money pays for the cab

- money gets you a good place for having sex.

- money speeds things up, but not because you're using your money to impress a girl by buying her things.

If you're really trying to ball on a budget, there's always groupon, restaurant weeks, and romantic walks in the park...but if you're trying to bang, all that pinching and bargaining is the surest way to screen out chicks.

If you're actually balling, you're going to a tasting menu @ Per Se because you're a foodie and she's along for the ride. You're snowboarding in Vermont cause you like to snowboard, and she can come along.

Money is for you.
Money is for logistics.
If money gets spent on a chick because of your lifestyle, or because you're trying to bang her out as fast as possible - so be it.

But money is not for dating.

Great post. Except for the rock climbing part. After you've banged a chick on a multi pitch on a ledge 1000ft off the ground you'll know what I mean. Ledge sex on a wall should be on everyone's bucket list. But I imagine you're talking about before the bang is a sure thing...

Quote: (01-30-2012 07:11 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:50 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:44 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:36 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2012 06:27 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I don't go on dates when I'm overseas. I don't have time for that anyway. I try to close at the bar/club/beach/party or wherever I find them.

Fair enough, each guy has to decide what is the right approach for them.

Feminists want to have their cake and eat it too. If they really want equality, then they should put their money where there mouths are and prove it. No better time than dinner.

What feminists want is utterly irrelevant to me, and doesn't really influence my game. I've sealed the deal several times, and that usually involved a meal that cost me under $20, or it was something I cooked at my apartment.

I understand the user mentality, and any guy should always be on the lookout for that kind of thing. It's not exactly hard to spot, and can be easily countered.

This doesn't mean though I see a problem in paying for a simple meal.

Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that if that's just what you normally do or feel like doing on your own accord. It should never be done as a way to impress a chick with the hopes of spreading those legs. Fuck her.

Agreed, there is no excuse to ever let yourself be used.

Quote: (01-26-2012 01:47 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

4. When a picture of a Hollywood Starlet is posted only rate the girl a "5" (obviously implying that they swoop girls twice as hot)

LOL. I've noticed that a few times on this forum.

Quote: (01-31-2012 11:41 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2012 01:47 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

4. When a picture of a Hollywood Starlet is posted only rate the girl a "5" (obviously implying that they swoop girls twice as hot)

LOL. I've noticed that a few times on this forum.

Have you really seen a photo of Cameron Diaz? She's beat to fuck and back.

Quote: (02-01-2012 12:08 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Quote: (01-31-2012 11:41 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2012 01:47 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

4. When a picture of a Hollywood Starlet is posted only rate the girl a "5" (obviously implying that they swoop girls twice as hot)

LOL. I've noticed that a few times on this forum.

Have you really seen a photo of Cameron Diaz? She's beat to fuck and back.

She's also got the herp.

You all know where I stand. I'm a cheap bastard, so until I'm rolling in dough I'll split it as much as possible.

There are tons of options that don't require even having to think about this issue. Go on those dates first if you have money problems and can't afford it.

Quote: (02-01-2012 08:50 PM)snoop Wrote:  

There are tons of options that don't require even having to think about this issue. Go on those dates first if you have money problems and can't afford it.

Share with us all those options please.